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Here is a video about what has occurred https://youtu.be/dXEypZqhFTY
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There is video of the incident a protestor was pointing a gun at him. He is an Uber driver not a counter protestor.
The prosecution's retarded case was that he could have driven away but his car was surrounded by people, so the choice was kill the person who was drawing or about to draw down on him or hit the people surrounding his car.
You would have to be retarded to think the Uber driver went there to mow down people as opposed to just following the directions for a ride. You would also be retarded to think the driver should allow himself to be shot.
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@Greyparrot
I worked at a call center once where I made 500 calls a day. I would get at least 3 or 4 people a day who were teachers answering their phones while class was in session.
If you were lying about being a teacher, I assume you would at least claim a professor. Nobody brags about being a school teacher and it's absolutely retarded not to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
What next, somebody claims to be a janitor and he thinks it is an insult to claim they are not a janitor but a night custodian. The stupidity has no limits
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@badger
In America, billion dollar corporations propagandize people to fight a culture war so everyone is distracted from all the exploitation they do
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@Greyparrot
Here it goes. Now he is going to disparage you by claiming substitute teachers are evil or something.
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The hilarious interviews of Trump's prison bitch after the fact will be a fun watch.
I can hear the media now
"VP Trump has raped over 3 male inmates and we have exclusive interviews with them today"
Us men can finally have our #metoo movement
I can hear the media now
"VP Trump has raped over 3 male inmates and we have exclusive interviews with them today"
Us men can finally have our #metoo movement
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I can't wait until Ron Desantis pardons all these people and saves whatever prisoner Trump makes his bitch.
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The tree of liberty must be refreshed by the blood of cops too stupid to stand down from time to time.
-thomas Jefferson
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@Slainte
Male skulls are larger with more pronounced brow ridges. Male hands and feet are bigger.
Pretty transphobic of you to state facts like that.
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@WindowsUser34
I get my sins fixed by a blow job.
You have my attention
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@Double_R
bad guy with a gun" you can think of will remain unchanged regardless
This is a lot to respond to but as I already said somebody being able to change has not even come up. I don't care if the guy stabbing me with a knife has the capability to change, I care about if I have a gun to blow his head off with, prior to receiving a fatal wound.
This bad guy good guy shit you are projecting is beside the point and a strawman you have built up. As I have stated in another thread, I have my own legal problems and a few warrants for my arrest. I clearly do not label criminals as bad guys, nor do I assume law abiding people are good guys. This is all strawmans you are making in your head
So as far as I can tell, what it really comes down to between us is our basic value - you appear singularly focused on what you consider to be the vulnerable population and ensuring they can stand up to the bad guys.
Like I said, I don't think it matters whether it is a bad guy or somebody experiencing a psychotic episode. What matters is the ability to be safe.
It's also not about standing up to anybody. I am not RM. I don't think there is any value in "standing up" to people. What matters is being safe.
A gun is not there to help you stand up to somebody. It is a last line of defense against somebody who is a threat to your life in the moment.
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The problem with the American navy is their ships are built for quickly destroying shitholes countries. The mega ships are actually a liability
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Obvious psy-op to fuck with Russia. Worst fake leak ever
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@TheUnderdog
So whatever punishment you apply to the doctor your going to have to apply to the woman if she does her own abortion
That myth started in the 1970s by activists . The truth is back alley abortions are mostly a myth
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@TheUnderdog
Absolutely not. I would barely even punish women. I would punish the filthy doctors taking advantage of poor people in desperate situations for a quick buck
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@TheUnderdog
You can do that if you want, but it doesn't make you guilty of murder if the iPhone you bought happened to be made with a child that died from making it.
I agree, it wouldn't make you a murderer but it also wouldn't shed you of moral responsibility
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@TheUnderdog
If I knew a child died making the iphones I bought, I would at the very least donate to a charity or political organization that fights against the exploitation of children
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@TheUnderdog
1. You don't believe that if you hurt somebody that you have some responsibility to make them whole?
2. Or you do but this is an exception?
If the answer is number 2 I would be curious why this exception?
If the answer is number one than the burden is on me to argue why you are wrong, which I may not be willing to do, because it can get tedious.
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First of all, you have an ethical obligation to give that kidney if the accident is in any way your fault. Second of all, murder is a bit different than just allowing somebody to die, and certainly allowing a stranger to die is less of a moral problem than allowing your child to die due to inaction.
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@FLRW
Change your profile pic to a star of David please
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@Sir.Lancelot
I will do the polish one. You can issue the challenge if you want but leave the description as blank as possible. It's probably best if I issue the challenge since I am debating the affirmative.
Well definition of justified as given by weaveroffate should be in the description. I think we still have like 3 or 4 more days until we are supposed to start. If you issue the challenge, I want my voters to be Barney and weaveroffate
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It really sucks that it is literally, impossible to burn that many bodies in such a short period of time.
I know it is illegal for some of you to comment on this post but it certainly is enlightening to learn about Germany's struggle to umm cremate lots of bodies.
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@oromagi
No and please go fuck yourself for trying to insert your lies in my mouth. I'm saying there's no evidence that Musk's son was attacked
Well if you are saying it didn't happen but musk has photographic evidence, the only other reasonable solution is to think the photographic and video evidence is staged. There is only two possible beliefs there, so you don't have to say it. You still haven't given your theory so I can only assume the one out of only two possible theories that would make sense from your POV
Ron DeSantis is Jewish? I did not know that.
I think your claim was about a bunch of white people as you call them, not a specific one who happens to be a zionist non Jew.
Nice excuse for the sin of knowingly bearing false witness whenever you think you can get away it.
I rarely make definitive statements if you haven't noticed. Like I said. Knowing anything is not possible.
As far as your Holocaust statements you stated prior that truth is known by repeatability so pointing out other methods to determine likely truth is not going to help your case.
Because you're using the wrong sense organ
I use my brain to look for truth. At a certain point I think we just need to predict or preferred truth. We can't know definitely that we are not brains in vats. If we choose to believe we aren't than we can't know who is and is not a philosophical zombie. If we choose to believe nobody is, we weren't there to personally witness historical events so we can't know they actually happened or if people were mistake or if we have been sold a bill of goods.
As much as I have strived for certainty. It just can't be achieved about anything so we should always behave in a way that takes every possibility into account.
Another lie you put in my mouth. I've never said such a thing.
If you aren't 100% certain about everything than what gives you the right to be the arbiter of truth and try to dictate what is and is not misinformation or appoint a government body to tell people what information they are allowed to see or not?
Another falsehood. I certainly defend more free speech than you do. You only defend free speech that corrupts.
This is just rhetoric for you saying you defend speech that everyone already agrees with. Like like "global warming is real" so speech that isn't actually under threat, while I defend speech of people who may have some truth. If there ever is any coordinated effort to suppress certain truths under my system it would never happen, under yours organizations such as the WHO get to decide what information people have access to .
- But as Matt Taibbi's Twitter Files explained to you and your corrupt heart failed to comprehend: there is no truth to your false filthy lie.
This sounds like you are claiming that the government and the DNC never reached out to Twitter about content they wanted removed or with "warnings" about coming information just prior to the hunter Biden laptop leaks?
Would you like to debate the following resolution as con
"The DNC never reached out to Twitter about content moderation"
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@Best.Korea
1 is true, then check the job and income of that person and compare it to mine,
I am not going to claim retards can't make a ton of money. It's possible that someone as dumb as him makes the salary of a heart surgeon. Very unlikely but possible.
It is also possible he is a democrat although he calls greyparrot gay because he thinks the word gay is an insult. He also makes fun of working class people for being uneducated and poor despite democrats pretending to be the party of gays an the working poor.
I guess it's possible that despite his homophobia, classism and racism that he is a progressive. Although most liberals are like this, it is rare one is openly that racist and homophobic.
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@Greyparrot
Funny
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A guest of Liz Harris discovered a bipartisan conspiracy where Mexican cartels offered public officials bribes. They kicked out Liz Harris because of a guest of hers uncovering a plot. Democrats put partisanship over ethics so always will vote the same and the republicans who voted to oust her, were likely bribes by Mexican cartels at some point.
Think about it. Why would they not investigate these claims? Why did they just assume the claims were wrong?
If even a single person accused is ever found out to have taken a bribe from anyone associated with a drug cartel, Liz Harris is vindicated
Think about it. Why would they not investigate these claims? Why did they just assume the claims were wrong?
If even a single person accused is ever found out to have taken a bribe from anyone associated with a drug cartel, Liz Harris is vindicated
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Conversion therapy is something supporting by the a minority of the republican party called evangelical and by the minority of evangelicals as well.
Conversion kits that allows rednecks to put a flashlight on their guns or Mopar shit are harmless
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@Double_R
If we want people to stop getting shot, taking away the guns would accomplish that. It's so simple a child could figure it out, yet here we are...
Stupid take. Everyone believed this like a child at some point, but most of us grew up. That really is as simplistic as your view on guns is and why you think it's fine if the majority of criminals can overpowered the majority of law abiding citizens, particularly women and children.
Can you provide one example of a police department that has been defunded and saw a noticible crime increase as a result?
Sanfransico democrat begs for more police presence after voting to remove police funding. https://youtu.be/1eqshbnzQhQ
Do you not find it odd that especially when talking about gun violence, the cherry picked examples of choice that every right winger loves to repeatedly hold up just happen to be cities either in red states or that border red states where guns are easily and readily accessible?
Why are democrats so prone to gun violence? If it are democratic cities and people who are the problem, could we meet half way and just ban registered democrats from owning guns?
I live in a blue city a large city and I pretty much always have. I am trying to move to a very rural area to escape the problems all democrat run areas have. If I live in let's say the mountains of north Carolina and I want to own a gun to protect my family from criminals due to the 20 minute police response time or to protect myself from wild animals like bears, why should the fact democrats in Raleigh north Carolina want to shoot each other stop me from legally purchasing a gun?
In fact why should the 75 year old black lady living in a rough part of Charlotte not be allowed to pack heat when her entire street is full of gang activity. You know if you ban guns that a knife is not a good enough equalizer for a 75 year old woman. They would need a gun to be a true equalizer.
Also what do you think of zip guns?
What do you think about 3d printed guns?
What do you think of the massive shipments of counterfeit guns (working but counterfeit in the sense they were hand made) that enter San Francisco on a weekly basis on a large ship from south America?
You are seriously claiming that criminals should have access to 3d guns, zip guns and counterfeit guns but a little old lady in gang territory should just have to be raped or mugged and deal with it.
Everytime you say gun bans, all I can think of is people that live near massive black bear populations in places like North Dakota backwoods area and vulnerable populations in dangerous areas.
To me, it seems cruel to disarm people in barely habitable rural areas and to disarm vulnerable populations within rough areas.
I have brought up these problems over and over and you haven't addressed my premises and why my concerns are unfounded. I have addressed yours.
You point to raw numbers of gun violence. I have addressed this by saying that I would rather live in a world where more accidents happen or where more gang members easily kill each other than a world in which more vulnerable populations are left defenseless, whether that is defenseless in barely habitable rural areas or in high crime areas.
You have done zero to alter your opinion or to address my concerns about these vulnerable people . You have pretty much just spoke past me. A lot of Democrats at this point would have at least told me that they are not for a gun ban but want to have some more hoops to jump through to make it harder for criminals to get guns.
If you did that, this conversation would be over because I have no opinion on that, but you seem to be pro a complete gun ban. So why don't you at least address my concerns about people being defenseless rather than speak past me.
The conversation cannot move until you address my premises. Than I can either point out how your arguments have addressed my concerns and change my mind, or how your arguments are wrong or unconvincing. Or maybe I have multiple premises for why I am opposed to gun bans and you have one more wall to punch through.
I am going to tell you exactly how to persuade me, and I suggest you think about what it would take to change your mind otherwise if nothing can change your mind, it is pointless to debate you.
How to change my mind.
1. Show that my concerns about vulnerable people in rural and high crime areas are overblown or how you would keep these people safe despite a gun ban.
2. Explain how a Hitler type situation is impossible to ever occur in America so that way arming groups such as the Jews would be pointless.
Now what would it take to change your mind?
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@oromagi
Those who get their news from Chinese brain control apps deserve their enslavement.
They looked white to me.
Again, Elon Musk is the ONLY source that back this claim. Here is Musk's LOL video of the "attack on his son."
Are you seriously claiming that there was not any vitriol towards him and that he had to hire actors to stage this stuff?
You have zero problem with removing black speech from Florida schools, advocating big goverment intervention in local schools because and only because that big government is white and male
I mean, if you consider a bunch of Jews white. I don't know what type of government intervention I would want in public schools.
Shutting the fuck up because you can't tell the truth from a lie would be sufficient.
I can agree to a permanent vow of silence if I lose an IQ test to you.
It only seems that way because you are unable to perceive the truth.
Nobody is, dunning Kruger affect aside. It simply is not knowable. There is always some non zero chance of something else other than what the most popular belief is, being true.
The truth is knowable and when and where it is convincingly reproduceable
Okay so how would you determine the Holocaust is true? You would repeat it?
. It's just you've broken your ability to sense that truth out of fealty to MAGA.
I have never had an ability to sense truth. Everything I have ever thought to be true has been proven false at some point.
I just have to live with a great deal of uncertainty. I am happy your arrogance makes you 100% sure that every single belief you have is 100% accurate. It would explain why you are so willing to remove freedom of speech, because you know for a fact every single belief you don't agree with is false.
I am not sure how you know this, but you do. So congrats on having omniscience I guess.
In fact, Jack Dorsey criticizes Musk for insufficient transparacy. The documents themselves are not publicly available and Dorsey demands that all internal documents be released Wikileaks style- advising that Musk's interpretation of select documents is biased and an unbiased review would favor old Twitter heavily- "we have nothing to hide." says Dorsey.
There is no amount of things surrounding what was released that would justify the DNC and the government trying to control speech and access to information.
I know I know. You value what the government tells you is truth over people's freedom of speech, but what if the powers to be aren't perfect? What if some actors are not only imperfect but have malevolent intentions?
I know in your world that is impossible, but in the real world we need checks and balances on information.
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@Stephen
never heard of them. What are they proud of?
Not even joking when I say they are a predominantly Hispanic group the media claims are white supremacists. So white pride I assume
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@Greyparrot
Probably 18 the other 2 are local cops trying to bring down a criminal organization. The simultaneous bust is going to be amusing
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@DebateArt.com
I think it might be time to roll back the ratings portion of your update. We experimented and it looks like the experiment failed. I know it's common to have an emotional attachment to a good ideal but shit happens. Sorry your hard work in this particular situation back fires, but your hard work on the site overall is appreciated.
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@Greyparrot
He can't afford it. Oromagi is a midwit whose IQ is capped at 130 but I would be shocked if the larper is up into the triple digits at all.
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@b9_ntt
If he hates antifa because they are dangerous extremists, I think you can use common sense to figure out what he thinks about other dangerous extremists, though obviously the 20 members of the proudboys are less dangerous than the thousands of antifa members
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@oromagi
Real lovers of free speech also love the truth with equal fervor.
Absolutely not. The reason being is that truth is unknowable while freedom is a possible thing to obtain. I would fear the truth being lost more than I fear misinformation appearing, despite the fact one cannot actually tell the difference between each one
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@oromagi
at this time last year, Twitter had 7500 employees. On Jan 21, Musk claimed that he employed 2300 at Twitter, but the company's own HR has to report accurately and reports the company has 1300 employees (with 75 on leave). No word on whether Musk was lying or just 76% misinformed about the people he is the executive over
I saw these people's tik toms. They bragged about doing 4 hours of actual work a week. Even with a drastic reduction in employees requiring them to actually work instead of collect paychecks is likely going to make up for the number. Misstating the number is not a big deal but the real number of employees is likely debatable anyway once you consider contractor's etc.
Nobody is protecting childen from Twitter since Musk took over.
The numbers I have seen recently shows that while he has increased free speech by allowing opinions he disagrees with, what most would consider hate speech has lost it's reach due to algorithm changes.
Changed verification to a pay service
Prior to Elon musk taking over there were a lot of people advertising services to verify people for $10k and more. These services are reported to have worked as well. A lot of people prior to musk who were having a lot of people pretending to be them could not get verification despite numerous requests.
Musk bans users who track his private jet using publicly accessible data but not any users who track other people's jets.
A member of the antifa organization tried to attack his child. I think it's suitable for him to protect his child from lunatics.
Musk has banned many disgruntled former Twitter employees without cause.
I haven't seen this occur and if so I wonxer what they actually said prior to bans. Company secrets etc.
Say what you what about former Twitter CEOs, they had a team in place to make sure that bans weren't strictly personal vendettas
Maybe not personal vendettas but I would consider banning based on political speech you disagree with is worse than doing it for a personal vendetta.
on any even playing field, you aren't bright enough to compete
We could legitimately set up an IQ test that we both take on a fair playing field. Maybe at a university with psychologists or something or just have some third party point us to a reliable online IQ test and we have a short time period to live stream us taking the tests.
If I lose the IQ test I will kill myself for being stupider than you, but if I win the contest you have to buy me dinner at a place of my choosing.
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Yep other than cosmetic shit that doesn't matter.
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@oromagi
I left Twitter the day Musk took over.
I am surprised you're still here given how much you hate freedom of speech, given that Musk's only changes to Twitter were essentially cut down on bots and allow people to have different opinions than he does.
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@Slainte
Debate what specifically. What did you find that you think you would like to oppose in a debate?
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Yeah rereading through that i got a lot of the terminology wrong.
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@Slainte
Okay here is what I am talking about. I got a lot of the terminology wrong since it's been so long since I touched the material. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt%E2%80%93shame%E2%80%93fear_spectrum_of_cultures
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@Slainte
Shame based versus honour based... is that not a sign of community and socialisim versus libertarianism
I will make a separate post about it soon. The shame vs honor based thing is pretty apolitical. Some societies don't fall neatly into either category but the United States has a shame based culture which has the disadvantages of not being able to reign in people who could give a shit less about shame. With an honor based culture you'll see the community kind of reign in antisocial behaviors.
I think some communities maybe a lot of communities don't fall under either classification
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Was the shooter in Louisville a law abiding citizen with a gun when he walked into that bank? Yes he was.
That's an excellent rebuttal for him saying most likely.
Most likely always means definitely.
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@Slainte
I would love to see your suggestions on fixing those issues, and doing so in a way that does not involve some form of government intervention, including financial.
Some of this is difficult to get into briefly but I think there is a good amount of evidence that the closer a country moves to Laissez-Faire capitalism the less poverty it has. I believe the economic freedom index is proof of this. The countries highest in the list typically have a better quality of living
As far as gun violence is concerned, I believe it's a cultural issue. I firmly believe that if you literally handed every japanese citizen a free firearm, they would still have less gun deaths per Capita.
You generally speaking have shame based and honor based cultures. America is a shame based culture and I believe it leads to a lot of other social ailments.
As far as abortions are concerned. Between correcting the social issues and laissez Faire capitalism fixing the economic issues, I believe less women would seek them out.
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Random Republican? Their whole platform is based on “crime is out of control”, especially murder. Are they lying? Yes, they are lying aren’t they?
Some other parts of the republican platform is the following
1. Have some level of border security
2. Don't cut the dicks off of children
3. Pedophilia should be illegal
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@Best.Korea
Are you trying to derail your own topic?
He was completely owned by facts so it's either derail the thread or do what an intelligent person would and reconsider their opinion
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Honduras has higher murder rates than America and so does Venezuela and guess what. They're ran by people who lean left and occupied by people who mainly lean left. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country
This is the character of liberals. You have all met liberals. You have met shaniqua and you have met Karen and you know you can feel more safe leaving your wallet alone with karen
This is the character of liberals. You have all met liberals. You have met shaniqua and you have met Karen and you know you can feel more safe leaving your wallet alone with karen
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Seriously 27 of the most crime ridden cities are run by democrats but more importantly the people in those cities are democrats and more likely to commit crimes. Roosevelt is blaming republicans who keep to themselves in either their mansions or on their farms away from society on crimes that happen in areas that are primarily democrat run and inhabited.
You have to be a literal retard not to notice a pattern here. https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/11/04/democrat-run-cities-counties-have-a-murder-problem-report-shows/amp/
You have to be a literal retard not to notice a pattern here. https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/11/04/democrat-run-cities-counties-have-a-murder-problem-report-shows/amp/
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He is trying to blame the crime in blue cities on governors in red states and for some reason let the local politicians who are doing retarded shit like defunding the police off the hook.
He has a 2 digit IQ and so he will never be able to piece together that the most liberal cities like Chicago and Detroit are the biggest high crime areas and the most liberals countries like Venezuela and north Korea are a shithole to live in.
It's not even a hard pattern to notice but when you have a 2 digit IQ your brain goes to the stupidest shit. Here is an example of political situations and the answers to how to solve these situations will be answered by my 7 year old. I just want you to know it's shit children think but their philosophy never goes any deeper
Me- a lot of poor people exist that don't have enough money. How would you fix it if in charge.
Child- just give them money
Actual liberal policy positions is to throw money at the problem instead of fixing the underlying issues
Me- a lot of people get shot by guns, how do we fix it?
Son- we should just take everyone's guns away so they can't shoot people anymore
Actual liberal policy. Complete gun bans
Me- a lot of women get pregnant with babies and don't have the resources to take care of them
Son- why don't we just start murdering babies
Actual liberal policies. Murder babies
Okay I made up the last one, but for the most part 1st graders are liberals because they just aren't that smart yet and do what adult liberals do
They go "derp let's do the most direct obvious thing"
It's literal retard level policies which is why blacks all veterans left and were giving interviews after Obamas election thinking they would get free gas and reparations etc.
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@bmdrocks21
I know. I thought about that also. I am not going to push the issue though
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