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@RationalMadman
You did? I didn't see it. That is why I made mine. Merry Christmas!
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The real racists are people who segregate people into races and build stereotypes about them.
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Merry Christmas DebateArt!
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@oromagi
- I don't see Biden winning in 2024 unless it is fraudulent like in 2020,.... at least this year, at least 3 election officials have been indicted by the DOJ. The press has been silent about it, but the DOJ has not.
yeah when you abridge two sentences that are apart you can make a person say anything lol. Here's what I really said:
All that to say, I don't see Biden winning in 2024 unless it is fraudulent like in 2020. I know we both don't see eye to eye on that, but, at least this year, at least 3 election officials have been indicted by the DOJ. The press has been silent about it, but the DOJ has not.
I can see how you may have misconstrued what I said. But I was not claiming that the current indictments are 2020 related. I was saying that, regardless of how someone feels about 2020, this year, multiple people have been indicted on fraud. This, if anything, proves the point that our elections are not the most secure in the world... which was my point lol.
Founded in 2018 and 2019, Tunstall’s two PACs, Support American Leaders and Campaign to Support the President,
This goes back to that reading comprehension problem... The DOJ stated:
operated two PACs – Liberty Action Group PAC and Progressive Priorities PAC – which solicited contributions from the public via robocalls and television, radio, and internet advertisements, among other means. The two PACs stated that the contributions would be used to support the presidential nominees of the two major political parties, respectively.
He was not pro trump. He was stealing money from both parties. He was not working for the Trump campaign. He is a republican political operative for sure, but he also worked for Mitch McConnell in 2012 and he is good friends with the Pauls (Rand and Ron). He is not really a "Tump guy." He's a political opportunist who worked for Republicans.
There's plenty who also work for Democrats, such as Michael Myers, who was indicted in June of 2022:
Here's what this guy did:
United States Attorney Jennifer Arbittier Williams announced today that former U.S. Congressman Michael “Ozzie” Myers, 79, of Philadelphia, PA, pleaded guilty today to conspiracy to deprive voters of civil rights, bribery, obstruction of justice, falsification of voting records, and conspiring to illegally vote in a federal election for orchestrating schemes to fraudulently stuff the ballot boxes for specific Democratic candidates in the 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018 Pennsylvania elections.
There is also Karen Peterson, the Democrat chair in New Orleans. She was charged in July of 2022. According to the DOJ:
The campaign funds were solicited based upon the representations and premise that the funds would be used to facilitate PETERSON’S reelection for the position of State Senator. In furtherance of her scheme, PETERSON diverted, and caused her friends and associates to divert, campaign funds from the KCPCF to PETERSON’S personal use for the purpose of obtaining and using money and property from contributors to the KCPCF by means of materially false and fraudulent representations and promises for nearly seven (7) years.
This was similar to the political operative opportunist. But even so. According to the CNN article you gave me. It blatantly states that the pacs were essentially just giving him fat checks. They weren't pro-trump PACs. They were wire fraud operations:
None of the money the two groups have raised went directly to Trump or his campaign during the 2020 cycle. Even though Tunstall reports on his federal filings that his PACs have spent approximately $407,000 toward supporting Trump, a close analysis of those independent expenditures shows that approximately $380,000 of that money was spent on robocalls and operating expenses; about $27,000 was spent on advertising.
That isn't pro-trump. That is a conman making money by defrauding people.
My point is that our elections are far from secure. Those were simply the most recent allegations, indictments, and guilty pleas. There are certainly others from this year.
Trump can leverage this knowledge and run on a "clean house" campaign, and people will believe it. It doesn't matter if you think he will actually clean house or not. That isn't the point. The point is, the DOJ basically gave Trump a Christmas gift for the 2024 election.
They decided to indict a whole slew of people for election fraud RIGHT AFTER AN ELECTION and right when Trump began campaigning for President for 2024. This will both embolden his base who believe there was fraud in the 2020 election and get more independents to be on board. Like it or not, many people did believe Trump was fighting the swamp. It just was democrats who didn't think so. The fact the entire media complex and intelligence community used false allegations and fake intelligence to try to run him out of office will only bolster his 2024 campaign run. I'm just saying.
If you think election fraud happens on only one side, you are as naive as you claim I supposedly am. All I am saying is, if Biden wants to win in 2024, he should stop investigating voter fraud until AFTER he wins his second term. Because right now he is giving Trump all he needs to claim "voter fraud" and "rigged election" in 2020. He is literally handing out indictments. All Trump has to do is say "They did this to me in 2020. I promise you that, when I get in, we will rewrite the rules to make it difficult for our elections to be exploited. I will establish a new [insert cabinet position name here] that focuses on election fraud. And we will wipe it off the map. Our elections will be better and more secure than ever before."
- I count donating money to the Trump campaign as Pro-Trump. Don't know why you wouldn't.
Maybe because of WHY HE DONATED THE 'EFFIN MONEY. As the DOJ gave us the reason:
it was for a multi-level marketer and Instagram influencer to get a picture with a celebrity to enhance his image
It was to get a photograph. . . It wasn't to help Trump win. It wasn't to launder Russian money. It was to get Trump to take a photograph with an influencer. He's pro-the-influencer. That is why I didn't count it. Yes, the money helped Trump. That is true. But he didn't specifically give the money because he was pro-Trump. There's a big difference between the two.
your argument (fraud justified Trump's coup) still fails utterly
And you say I'm a conspiracy theorist? What coup did I say Trump committed? Since when did running for President mean someone is part of a coup? If anything, his own intelligence communities committed a coup on him.
Matt Tiabbi, a reporter who worked as the managing editor of politics for Rolling Stone and also literally lived through multiple coups, and also is not pro-trump at all, explained how the Intelligence Community ran a coup against a duly-elected President:
To be sure, “people familiar with the matter” leaked a lot of true stories in the last few years, but many were clearly problematic even at the time of release. Moreover, all took place in the context of constant, hounding pressure from media figures, congressional allies like Democrats Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell, as well as ex-officials who could make use of their own personal public platforms in addition to being unnamed sources in straight news reports. They used commercial news platforms to argue that Trump had committed treason, needed to be removed from office, and preferably also indicted as soon as possible.A shocking number of these voices were former intelligence officers who joined Clapper in becoming paid news contributors. Op-ed pages and news networks are packed now with ex-spooks editorializing about stories in which they had personal involvement: Michael Morell, Michael Hayden, Asha Rangappa, and Andrew McCabe among many others, including especially three of the four original “intel chiefs”: Clapper, Comey, and MSNBC headliner John Brennan.Russiagate birthed a whole brand of politics, a government-in-exile, which prosecuted its case against Trump via a constant stream of “approved” leaks, partisans in congress, and an increasingly unified and thematically consistent set of commercial news outlets.These mechanisms have been transplanted now onto the Ukrainegate drama. It’s the same people beating the public drums, with the messaging run out of the same congressional committees, through the same Nadlers, Schiffs, and Swalwells. The same news outlets are on full alert.The sidelined “intel chiefs” are once again playing central roles in making the public case. Comey says “we may now be at a point” where impeachment is necessary. Brennan, with unintentional irony, says the United States is “no longer a democracy.” Clapper says the Ukraine whistleblower complaint is “one of the most credible” he’s seen.
The whole article is a great read, but that section is particularly alarming:
But if this was any other fucking country, and you read about how this was happening, wouldn't the first thought in your mind be "this is a coup?" It would certainly be mine. the intelligence community taking over the news? Fake leaks by "anonymous sources" that are obviously not true? All against an elected President? That is definitely the markings of a coup. It was the other way around. Trump wasn't a coup. He was the victim of one.
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@oromagi
So you are presenting these as cases in evidence of fraud in the 2020 election (justifying Trump's attempted coup)?
I don't know when I said they were all for the 2020 election, lol.
Pro-Trump robocallers convicted of keeping money raised for 2 PACs in 2016 election
False... The DOJ states:
According to court documents, from 2016 through at least April 2017, Matthew Nelson Tunstall, 35, of Los Angeles, together with co-conspirators, operated two PACs – Liberty Action Group PAC and Progressive Priorities PAC – which solicited contributions from the public via robocalls and television, radio, and internet advertisements, among other means. The two PACs stated that the contributions would be used to support the presidential nominees of the two major political parties, respectively.
He was pro nobody. He just stole people's money. Which goes to prove the point that there is fraud out there.
2 Republican candidates paid voters to vote for them in 2016 election
False...
Jerry Trabona is an independent:
Pro-Trump political consultant convicted of knowingly concealing hundreds of thousands of dollars in illegal Russian donations to the 2016 Trump campaign.
False... The Wikipedia states:
Benton served as the campaign manager of Republican Mitch McConnell, until resigning on August 29, 2014, amid rumors surrounding campaign finance allegations during the 2012 presidential election.[2] On August 5, 2015, Benton was indicted by a grand jury on charges arising from an alleged coverup to conceal the expenditure of campaign money to hire an Iowa politician.[3] Four of the five charges were initially thrown out because of misconduct by the prosecutor.[4] Benton was found not guilty at trial on charges of making false statements.[5]Benton was subsequently re-indicted and was found guilty of conspiring to cause false records to the Federal Election Commission.[6] Benton was given two years probation.[7] He was pardoned by President Donald Trump on December 23, 2020.[8]Benton was indicted in September 2021 for illegally funneling money he received from a Russian national into the 2016 campaign of Donald Trump.[9] [10] Benton was convicted on November 17, 2022.[11]
You wrongly said:
Every fucking case you gave was pro-Trumpist, one actually funneling cash directly from Russia to Trump's pocket and you are such a blind cult believer you still think Trump is going to reform the very corruption he encourages and directly profits by.
False...
He never worked for Trump nor was he friends with Trump. He simply donated money to the campaign. In fact, to correct disinformation about the event, the DOJ stated in a press release:
We thank the jury for their service but they got it wrong. This was not some grand conspiracy to get $25,000 of Russian money into the Trump campaign, rather it was for a multi-level marketer and Instagram influencer to get a picture with a celebrity to enhance his image
You really need to get your facts straight, man.
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@oromagi
Idk what to tell you man, other than your reading comprehension sucks. The DOJ literally stated they would prosecute EVERYONE responsible.
If Trump is responsible, he would be included under "everyone," now wouldn't he?
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@FLRW
"If Franklin Delano Roosevelt became convinced tomorrow that coming out for cannibalism would get him the votes he needs so sorely, he would begin fattening a missionary in the White House yard come Wednesday."
Pretty sure Mencken hated Roosevelt.
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@oromagi
You don't understand what the metaphorical phrase "catches wind" means. There are no indictments at present but Trump has definitely caught wind of these unprecedented Congressional findings of fact.
Voter fraud indictments and convictions of election officials, legislators, and other related charges in November-December of 2022:
And I'm certain I've missed a couple as I was quickly skimming the DOJ website. The point is, fraudulent actions have been found, and the fraud is not all just random assholes but people in positions of influence, like police chiefs, current state senators, and others.
The point is there is more than enough here to go on to argue that there isn't enough security in our elections process, meaning bad actors abound and governments launder money to certain candidates, that Trump could EASILY argue he will reform it.
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@oromagi
No ex-president has ever been charged with a crime.
False. Trump's company has already been convicted of tax fraud:
https://news.yahoo.com/new-york-jury-finds-trump-org-guilty-on-17-counts-of-tax-fraud-215144622.html
He also could be barred from being a Federal Contractor:
If you think the DoJ is eager to set a thousand new precedents
It already said it is:
The Department of Justice’s resolve to hold accountable those who committed crimes on January 6, 2021, has not, and will not, wane.
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This means all the way to political leaders is necessary.
Moreover, considering they spied on a political opponent and used a dossier they knew was fake to fool a judge to allow them to do what they wanted, I somehow doubt the DOJ cares all that much about precedent right now.
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@oromagi
All that to say, I don't see Biden winning in 2024 unless it is fraudulent like in 2020. I know we both don't see eye to eye on that, but, at least this year, at least 3 election officials have been indicted by the DOJ. The press has been silent about it, but the DOJ has not.
If Trump catches wind of the indictments, it will be VERY easy for him to run on a "secure the elections and remove corruption" platform without much difficulty, since he spent 4 years waging war on Washington, the people will be extremely likely to believe he'll do that again. I'm just saying, Trump has a much better shot than people think he does.
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@oromagi
The charges recommended by the committee areconspiracy to defraud the United States,obstruction of an official proceeding of Congress,conspiracy to make a false statement andaiding an insurrection.Not much doubt that Trump is guilty of these, just based on Trump's own White House Staff testimony and what was done in public. These crimes alone make Trump unfit for any elected in office in our democracy.
If it was as you said, the DOJ would have indicted him already. Seeing as they haven't and they have not said Trump is involved as of yet, I don't see how the J6 committee had anything the FBI and DOJ did not.
Just like impeachment, it is a party political propaganda thing. It'll only bolster Trump's 2024 election prospects. If the Democrats were smart, they'd run Bernie Sanders. He might actually be able to successfully debate Trump. But seriously, the liberal news outlets have abysmal trust ratings and congress is not doing much better. Plus there was a regime change and the Republicans are investigating Biden, Pelosi, and others. Things are about to get interesting.
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I'm shocked. SHOCKED!
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Does Joe Biden remember what he had for breakfast?
Why does Frederick Douglass not have a portrait hut Nancy Pelosi does?
Why do we park on driveways and drive on parkways?
Was Sheldon Adelton or George Soros the bigger threat to American democracy?
Is Russia really influencing our elections all that much or is it really the CIA?
Why don't most Americans care about issues but all gush over some celebrity doing something stupid?
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@YouFound_Lxam
It's because he is doing the bidding of his masters:
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Are you a troll, political activist, conspiracy theorist, or a very motivated grassroot activist of the Democrat Party?
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@Sir.Lancelot
I kinda was. lol.
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@Sir.Lancelot
I was asking RM, not you. If you look at the little @ thingy you'll know who I'm talking to.
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@RationalMadman
Did you? I'd have to check. Which debate was it?
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@Greyparrot
@zedvictor4
The USFG is owned by the WEF.
Nancy Pelosi is bankrolled by Soros and Pfizer. She makes all her millions by hyping billionaire companies.
Nancy Pelosi also was running Congress. She made sure pro-WEF appointees made it into the top brass of the Military and all the other departments. Those weapons sales, mandatory vaccinations, and whole takeovers of countries were never about defending Americans. It is all about increasing control of the market share for the World Economic Forum. The DoD is simply a paramilitary for the WEF.
The WEF are the ones pulling the strings. They are the Pentagon and NATO. They are also the FSB, KGB, and China. They control all of it.
But they DON'T control it in the way we thunk they do. It isn't some sort of pre-made, detailed plan. It is all about just working together to increase the collective market share of all of them. That is why nobody can pin down who is REALLY calling the shots. They all are, collectively. They sit around and negotiate how they can make the most money by working together.
Nancy Pelosi is bankrolled by Soros and Pfizer. She makes all her millions by hyping billionaire companies.
Nancy Pelosi also was running Congress. She made sure pro-WEF appointees made it into the top brass of the Military and all the other departments. Those weapons sales, mandatory vaccinations, and whole takeovers of countries were never about defending Americans. It is all about increasing control of the market share for the World Economic Forum. The DoD is simply a paramilitary for the WEF.
The WEF are the ones pulling the strings. They are the Pentagon and NATO. They are also the FSB, KGB, and China. They control all of it.
But they DON'T control it in the way we thunk they do. It isn't some sort of pre-made, detailed plan. It is all about just working together to increase the collective market share of all of them. That is why nobody can pin down who is REALLY calling the shots. They all are, collectively. They sit around and negotiate how they can make the most money by working together.
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@oromagi
For the third time in 10 years. All of these "breakthroughs" somehow never seem to be applicable or even worth the investment though.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Fair point. I asked RM, but if he agrees with you then I'll take it as what he meant.
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@whiteflame
You're right. Clogging up a thread is wrong. I should have responded in a PM.
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@Sir.Lancelot
That is what democracy is. It is a majority telling a minority what to do. I didn't argue republicanism is tyranny. I argued DEMOCRACY is tyranny.
There is nothing abusive about using established, authoritative dictionary definitions.
If you are offended by my choice in definitions, then you are offended by dictionaries, which is a silly thing to be offended by.
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@Sir.Lancelot
What part of:
PRO must argue there was a sufficient number of ballots affected by illegal election activities to decertify the election.CON must argue there was not a sufficient number of ballots affected by illegal election activities to decertify the election.
Says we are arguing whether it is possible or not?
Definition of must (merriam webster):
mustauxiliary verb1a: be commanded or requested toyou must stopb: be urged to : ought by all means toyou must read that book2: be compelled by physical necessity toone must eat to live: be required by immediate or future need or purpose towe must hurry to catch the bus3a: be obliged to : be compelled by social considerations toI must say you're looking wellb: be required by law, custom, or moral conscience (see CONSCIENCE sense 1) towe must obey the rulesc: be determined toif you must go at least wait for med: be unreasonably or perversely compelled towhy must you argue4: be logically inferred (see INFER sense 1) or supposed toit must be time5: be compelled by fate or by natural law towhat must be will be6: was or were presumably certain to : was or were bound toif he did it she must have known7dialect : MAY, SHALL —used chiefly in questions
Can you point to a single definition where it says "to do the opposite of" or "to ignore the command of"?
I also banned red herrings. It was a total red herring. You even just admitted it yourself, but you tried to say I caused it when I told both parties what they are arguing.
You are allowed to vote however you want since you are a moderator. But don't say I opened the door to an off-topic debate when I DEFINED THE TOPIC OF DEBATE and told the parties what to debate.
Your logic is akin to saying it is totally fair game to debate whether Hitler's assassination would have prevented the holocaust in a debate on whether Hitler caused the holocaust. Of course in a hypothetical situation where there is a completely separate topic sny inane and cockamamie argument can be made. But they are off-topic arguments. So they don't prove anything.
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@RationalMadman
I was just asking what abusive semantics means as a debate style.
I have multiple different styles of debate. It all depends on the target audience.
I could go into it, but it would be revealing trade secrets.
My first debate with Oromagi was not a real debate on the debate topic. I had originally wanted to debate actual voter fraud (which was the topic of the debate). Not if it was possible to undo the certification or if I or he made the first logical fallacy. It turned into a stupid debate after that because it was almost entirely off topic. This is why I now add "only debate" when I make descriptions, because I don't want to have an entirely separate debate than the one I set up.
If I had wanted to debate on whether decertification was possible, I would have set up the debate that way, but I didn't. So idk why it was even brought up.
A LOT of the people on here are semantic abusers and a LOT of the voters here vote on technicalities and loopholes in the description. This is because their votes get removed otherwise for being bad votes.
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@RationalMadman
What is abusive semantics?
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@Stephen
So quick apology and "I believe in you lord" and all is forgiven.
No. You also have to devote yourself to living for God. But it's an amazing deal.
Like what I said in the following sentence:
Christianity is a relationship with a friend who sticks closer than a brother.
A relationship includes work.
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@Stephen
"for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God."
John 12:43, NKJV
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@oromagi
Unless the Trump Adminstration strongarmed or coerced Twitter in some way, then calling Twitter's decision "government censorship" is just more fake news.
^^^ This aged like grape juice.
The former senior counsel who decided to axe the NY Post story was a military intelligence operative whose briefings literally determined what the FBI and CIA did:
Twitter is and always has been a DoD and NATO propaganda platform. The Intelligence Community invented social media for information collection activities. Now they are blatantly using it for propaganda purposes:
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@Intelligence_06
What? That is insane.
To me it's more insane to get burned alive than to try to escape.
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@Intelligence_06
Jeez our press is almost as bad as yours.
What confounds me is how people are more willing to burn down in a fire than try to escape the building and risk getting shot.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I am rating facts vs myths and revealing how MOST of the myths were from ONE SIDE of the political isle.
But now that Republicans took over the house, they have begun to lie. So we'll see what the landscape looks like in a few years.
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Let's just run a quick scorecard on Trump v. Democrats:
Trump is not a Russian puppet: Trump - 1 Democrats - 0
Trump was not behind January 6: Trump - 2 Democrats - 0
Trump did not steal secrets and nuclear codes: Trump - 3 Democrats - 0
There is a cabal that seeks to destroy the country: Trump - 4 Democrats - 0
Lockdowns are not effective to stop the spread of the virus: Trump - 5 Democrats - 0
COVID-19 was manufactured in a lab: Trump - 6 Democrats - 0
Putin will attack if I am out of office: Trump - 7 Democrats - 0
They want Gas at $5 to $7 a gallon: Trump - 8 Democrats - 0
UV light kills COVID-19: Trump - 9 Democrats - 0
Ivermectin is an effective treatment against COVID-19: Trump - 10 Democrats - 0
Let's tally these up:
Trump, 10 points
Democrats, the media, and the "fact checkers", 0 points
So, it seems to me that Trump was a damn good president for the 4 years he was in office.
Not only was everything he said literally proven true, but now everyone knows it.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
The oil companies have more permits than they can use.
Gosh you liberals are misinformed:
Wyoming Gov. Mark Gordon is again taking the Department of Interior to court. The governor has filed a second federal lawsuit against the Department relating to a Bureau of Land Management decision to pause oil and gas lease sales. In a statement, the governor called the litigation timely and vital to the interests of people living in his state.“Wyoming’s energy resources can help power the nation and bring down costs at the pump,” said the governor. “BLM’s decision to cancel lease sales sure seems to be a violation of both the letter and the spirit of the law, (and) I firmly believe the pause in lease sales was politically driven and not based in law or fact.”The first lawsuit challenged the Biden administration’s actions in First Quarter 2021, halting federal oil and gas leasing in Wyoming. A district court later ruled Secretary Deb Haaland’s decision was lawful. However, it did not consider whether other cancelations were a violation. The new lawsuit involves paused sales that Gordon said should have taken place in the second and third quarters of 2021 and the third quarter of this year.“BLM went 18 months without a single oil and gas lease sale and has yet to resume regularly scheduled quarterly lease sales,” said the governor’s office.In April, Secretary Haaland said Interior’s actions are meant to take into account things such as local communities, the environment, air quality, and water.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
LNG is not really a big factor for oil prices.
Yes it is... LNG is the stuff in our cars that makes the engine go boom boom. We go to gas stations and fill it up:
Liquefied natural gas (LNG) is natural gas that has been cooled to a liquid state (liquefied), at about -260° Fahrenheit, for shipping and storage. The volume of natural gas in its liquid state is about 600 times smaller than its volume in its gaseous state in a natural gas pipeline. This liquefaction process, developed in the 19th century, makes it possible to transport natural gas to places natural gas pipelines do not reach and to use natural gas as a transportation fuel.
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The point is that, we are literally swimming in oil, we are swimming in refineries, and we export it to Europe and we halt drilling in Venezuela during a fucking oil crisis. This is Brandon's fault 100%.
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First of all, Texas is supporting Europe, not OPEC:
After Russia invaded Ukraine, and due to several other factors, “skyrocketing oil, natural gas and electricity prices” caused European countries “to swiftly diversify from Russian supplies,” the report states. They looked to America, and Texas – a natural gas powerhouse – for help.The U.S. became the world’s largest LNG exporter in the first half of 2022, the U.S. Energy Information Agency reports, led by Texas. Texas produces roughly a quarter of America’s natural gas supply.
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Second of all, Venezuela is providing more oil to the United States than previously thanks to biden simply restarting a Trump oil effort:
The US has granted Chevron limited authorization to resume pumping oil from Venezuela following the announcement Saturday that the Venezuelan government and the opposition group have reached an agreement on humanitarian relief and will continue to negotiate for a solution to the country’s chronic economic and political crisis, including a focus on the 2024 elections.
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So, no matter how the fuck you slice this. We are in an oil crisis of our own making. Texas is the largest exporter of gas, and it is mostly going to Europe. And we could have been drilling in fucking Venezuela this whole time, but the Biden Administration decided not to hand out the permit. So it is, quite literally, America's own fault that we have high gas prices. Putin had nothing to do with it. He never did.
Our own government decided to put Europe ahead of the US, despite it being OUR government.
Let's fucking go Brandon!
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@oromagi
So MAGA, Putin, and Zelensky all work for the World Economic Forum
Idk who MAGA is, but if you mean Trump I don't see any strong evidence he is on board.
Are they worried about all the ten of millions of dollars that company lost in lawsuits in UK, France, Austrailia, Italy, etc and the requirement that remove all citizens from those countries from their database?
No because it is temporary as they continue to centralize the world governments to work for them.
Why would a bunch of world leaders surrender all their power to one petty hacker dude?
You misunderstand how the WEF works. It is a collective group of about 200 people who infiltrate governments and economies to get what they want. They don't have a collective leadership, it is a group thing. They all negotiate for what they want and they then take over the world governments to get it.
Sounds like yet another in a long string of really kooky conspiracy theories from you, PC.
A conspiracy theory has no facts or logic to it. I have both. I mean, the WEF and their members have blatantly stated everything I have. I am not inventing anything. You can read the articles and watch the videos for yourself.
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Without knowing a lot about him, since all the times I've ever listened to him he's come across as a white nationalist, racist agitator. I would call him a white nationalist, racist scumbag who might have neo-Nazi leanings.
By racist I mean in the philosophical sense and the literal sense of trying to foment hate against other races. It is possible to be a White Nationalist and not a racist depending on the definition used for racism. To me, white nationalism and racism are an oxymoron, because I believe racism is regarding one group as better than another by racial characteristics. But for many the definition of racism is based on actions and not ideas.
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@ComputerNerd
engaged in scummy and toxic tactics to get to where he is.
I mean, yeah. But that's because a good percentage of the voters on this website also vote in scummy and toxic ways. And if not that, they vote based on logically fallacious reasonings rather than on facts and argumentation.
Oromagi literally wrote anti-novice debate propaganda in the voting section of multiple debates just to tank his rating. It was a shell document that he used multiple times. The mods caught on, but it was too late to undo his actions on one of the debates, causing a significant loss to Novice.
Others on this website think an authority substitutes a fact. The loser could literally have all the facts on their side but lose because his source was not "accepted" by the large leftist population on this website.
For instance, Encyclopedia Britannica could state a blatantly wrong fact, and the other person could bring up the original source in question and prove how it was wrong, and a significant percentage people would still vote for the guy using Encyclopedia Britannica because it is an authoritative source.
So to win debates on this website you need to use scummy and toxic tactics. Because your opponents certainly are using them, and the voters might too.
That being said, there are many on this website who vote and debate honestly, and they lose because the other person is literally just being sophistic and using emotional blackmail. So even though the person has the facts, and he makes logical arguments, he still loses because the other person demonizes him, demonizes his sources, takes everything out of context, cherry picks, and then uses authorities as a baseball bat to cripple his opponent's legs. This isn't really debating, and the person who does this hasn't really proven anything, but he will still win because that is how it just happens to work out on here unless you report literally every single vote you receive so they can get removed.
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@oromagi
Well no shit a Russian retreat is a victory, The major issue, though, is that this whole war is just a façade to test Clearview AI, which is designed to have real-time facial recognition and finding abilities at a moment's notice:
Do you honestly believe Russia, with the second-most-powerful nation in the world, is having difficulty with a country that can't even stop coups and doesn't even fund its own defenses? It's a joke war. It's all for show:
Check out the stats between Ukraine and Russia, it's no contest. Russia is leaps and bounds ahead of Ukraine in every possible metric:
Vladimir Putin and Peter Thiel, are all Young Global Leaders of the World Economic Forum:
Zelenskyy literally told the WEF that they should be stakeholders in Ukraine:
All three of them are working for the same organization. The war is a façade. It's to prepare Clearview AI to surveil the entire planet. And Musk is also a YLG and he is making Neuralink along with Microsoft, which is going to be implanted into everyone's brains:
Klaus Schwab on Neuralink:
And here's a WEF article on chipping people's brains and how to implement it:
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Probably because college graduates are ignorant:
The consequences of this trend are alarming. According to the survey, 26% of respondents believe Brett Kavanaugh is the current chief justice of the Supreme Court; only 12% know that it was the 13th Amendment that freed the slaves in the United States; 30% think the Equal Rights Amendment guaranteed women the right to vote; 18% chose Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as the author of the New Deal, a suite of public programs enacted by President Franklin Roosevelt in the 1930s; and over 60% of respondents could not identify the term lengths for members of Congress.
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@TheUnderdog
That’s why I think the penalty for abortion should be 3 weeks of hard labor
Well let's put it this way. Do you think the Nazis should have only received 3 weeks of hard labor? What about the people who handed over jews to be killed?
If we are all up in arms and demanding blood for the holocaust, then abortion is no different. Abortion is extremely brutal, barbaric, and torturously painful for the baby. Kinda like how throwing the jewish people in gas ovens was extremely brutal, barbaric, and torturously painful for the jewish people thrown into those ovens.
So if we are angry in one instance, we should be equally angry in the other instance.
You also might want to change your name, because with a name like that, I thought you would be pro choice.
Welp. So far I've won 70% of my debates lmao.
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@TheUnderdog
Well, idk about all Republicans, but here is my view (I am not Republican but am pro life)
I think that the mother and the doctor are both responsible. I believe life in prison for both is applicable to both of them. And if the man is complicit in this, then he gets life in prison too.
I think murdering innocent people is wrong. The only exceptions I am personally willing to debate are if the mother is literally in the process of giving birth and the baby is killing her or if the baby is already dead inside of her. In those instances I could see an abortion being legal. The third instance is if the baby is killing the mother by being developed and there is no other known western medical or alternative medical alternative that doesn't involve invoking demons or other such stuff. All of these are, obviously, assuming non-viability. If it is viable then it must be incubated.
If it isn't one of those three categories, then I don't support abortion and am for imprisoning all parties involved. If the man, however, does not want the abortion and argues to save his kid's life, then he is not complicit and therefore is not punished. Same for a woman if her husband forces her to. She is free from punishment because she was forced against her will to commit an abortion.
I know this is a VERY different viewpoint from most pro-lifers, but I think it is the most logical.
It is a living human being. So murdering it should not be a legitimate discussion. The other stuff I said is simply logical outflows of the same idea but in reverse (the fetus murdering the mother), so it should be stopped from doing so.
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@ebuc
If you equate slaughtering babies with health care you need to check your moral compass.
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you are suggesting Biden did you would be wrong. 3rd quarter of 2022 was up 2.6.
That time when Trump had a 33% growth in the GDP:
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the worst economies in your lifetime happened under Republicans.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-10-30/trump-s-economy-really-was-better-than-obama-s
Biden's economy is the worst our country has had in my lifetime. And Trump's and Bush's were definitely better. Than Obama's and Biden's.
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@Sidewalker
Biden literally had nothing to do with it,
As per the article:
Given former President Trump's announcement he would run for president in 2024 and President Biden's stated intent, Garland said he was obligated to appoint a special counsel to avoid allegations of political bias.
So Garland blatantly stated he did it because Biden said he intended to.
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@oromagi
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Fyi, Biden literally just appointed the person they said he was going to appoint in the CNN article:
So it wasn't fake news. It just happened. Not only were they debating it, they just did it. Republicans just did this too to Biden.
We live in a banana republic.
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