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There needs to be a category in the forum specifically for threads about what type of categories are needed in the forum.
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@Vader
But is your humour strong enough to crack Bsh1’s stone heart?
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@bsh1
Its like finding out that PolytheistWitch is actually a school councillor, or RM is actually the ambassador to Colombia.
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@bsh1
Okay, you can f**k right off with that right now.I am 24.
24? Nope. Nope. Nopety nope.
I have expired packs of ramen at the back of my cupboard that are older than you.
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@Vader
Is the moderation circle jerk clockwise or anti clockwise; also does it utilize the Dutch rudder method?
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@Vader
Some people may buy that as your explantation for why your right arm is twice as big as your left, but not I.I am a Shot Putter
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@Castin
I would also consider myself one of Bsh’s Flying monkeys than a coworker.
I can imagine him cackling out of a window shouting “moderate my pretties!”
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@David
Yep, anyone who wants to message me if they have an issue with a vote that may not necessarily be obvious, let me know.
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@Speedrace
Castin is a moderator that is brought out in moments of special need. Like Steven Hibberts character in Pulp Fiction.
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@Gatorade
I was recommended to Virt and Bsh by mutual NWO / Illuminati friends
Joking aside: the reality it was I was a regular voter who is on most of the time
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To clarify; by Mature and Adult, I mean his unerring ability to put up with petulance, childishness and stupidity, repeatedly without escalating, name calling, and with the ability to disagree with an opinion despite thinking that oppinion is bad.
... and that’s just when dealing with me.
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@bsh1
I would also like to personally thank Bsh; he is probably the most adult and mature person I have ever met on the internet. Ever.
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1.) Bring Beer
In all seriousness: debaters should make it clear to the voter what their main arguments are. It helps the voter weigh properly, and helps moderators decide whether the arguments have been surveyed and weighed.
2.) I’ve not personally had an issue. I always find that conduct, S&G fall out of the main assessment. Most of the award is due to complexity and difficulty in rendering the vote. I’ve very rarely seen examples of splitting sources and args though
3.) As long as you cover the arguments accurately - I don’t see a problem: skimming is a skill; I normally find myself speed skimming a debate several times to pull out the key points, and for stuff like the KCA and many others, it’s pretty easy to pull out the main arguments or see if things are similar. If your good at skimming then go for it; as long as you don’t mind correcting or modifying the vote if there is something that you missed.
As a helpful step: once I’ve got my first draft RFD and have assessed everything, I normally wait go away for an hour then go back through the debate. When someone wins or loses there are often a point that one side missed, or didn’t cover well; or an obvious flaw with their reasoning: I do a final scan to specifically find arguments related to those, in case I missed them.
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@Alec
I average 11k in 24m commuting through a city in traffic :)
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@RM
No: I average an hour a day at my most active weeks.
2hrs Sunday, 1hr Monday, 2hrs of cycling,
1 hr strength, 1 hr Wednesday
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I am a Runner, on Sunday, I run a long distance run between 10-20k (though I have the occasional half marathon race), on Monday’s I do a 10k slow recovery run; Wednesday is hill and speed work; and I try and squeeze in at least 4 x 10k cycle commutes, and an occasionally obligatory weight training - which I hate.Do you have a workout regime Ramshutu?
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Ramshutu what are your views on who or what was behind 9/11?How do you view Israel as well as the idea that there is an ethnicity known as Jew that you can be born into?
1.) Wut?
2.) The official narrative, corrected for face saving, protection of national secrets related to international diplomacy and complacency explains the evidence best.
3.) Israel doesn’t act as well as it probably should: but it’s largely understandable.
4.) Dunno; I have no axe to grind, or any particular knowledge either way on the subject.
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@oromagi
Partly, though I took the job prior to my mediocre run of marginal successes. It was more being sure of my ability to not be a cantankerous a*** on official moderator actions.
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@oromagi
For me, it was actually accepting being a moderator.
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@PressF4Respect
You have to take the responsibility seriously, and have the ability to remove your personal feelings. There have been votes I have felt were terrible, but I have not removed as they were sufficient and vice versa: and it’s tough trying to explain that to someone, knowing that the vote was bad.
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Hey everyone, it’s not been a year since I’ve been added; so I’m still somewhat new. Feel free to ask me questions about voting rules and voting interpretation.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Child labour would also work; obviously children cannot be CEOs; but anyone who wishes to enjoy the millions raking in as a CEO would be willing to put their child into a loving corporate family where they can be put to useful economic work.
Product packaging can be required to carry math, science, English and business questions to allow children to study whilst packing shelves.
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@Alec
Robots would be the employees.
Stop and shop can always sell epicac to Induce vommiting so that people buying sandwiches and drinks are not limited by their stomach capacity.
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@Alec
You can produce more food and drink; this would make more money, and drive up sales.
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@Alec
With the amount of new money flowing into the economy from all the new CEOs there would be massive demand for atop and shops.
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That’s what it says under my Magic: The gathering planeswalker card.He's a real cunning, ruthless type. He is excellent at faking it when it suits him but he doesn't realise it's all there for others to see when the real him comes out to play.
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And yet you’ve yet to give me an objective example of a genuine problem in any one of my votes that holds up to even a trivial amount of scrutiny. It’s all vague general statements, and nothing specific: almost as if there’s nothing wrong with the votes, you just don’t like losing.
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@Castin
why are you attacking people for attacking the mods for being allowed to attack the mods?
#Rantception
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@janesix
I do that to everyone - not just people I don’t like.
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The email address you gave me for the money transfer isn’t working.
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Tabula Rasa doesn’t mean you don’t need to warrant your arguments.
So sure, if you could warrant why that is a valid comparison - I’d not reject it out of hand, but you have to provide that warrant. It’s not a Tab Judges Job to magically make a bad argument good
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You call also me a booty spanked slave; but I’m British, so the correct term would be bum slapped serf.
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@Castin
hmm that’s probably why I can Taste dubstep right now
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It’s not a valid element of comparison.Why? What's wrong with using the name? it's as valid an element of comparison as that. 'better' had no context to it at all.
Valid elements of comparison would be, in this case, limited to the specific purpose of the things your comparing: so you’d judge aircraft by the aircraft things: not that spitfire would be make a better male stripper name.
Again, while comparing two things may have many orthogonal properties - like cards in top trumps, and it’s up to debaters to make their case for property selection; not simply to pick some random nonsensical property.
I mean, you could; but it wouldn’t be very smart. If you don’t grasp that, it may go some way to explaining why you feel you should have won more debates than you have.
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Of course, facts have to be used in a debate that is comparing which of two things is better, if you don’t use facts your argument is completely baseless. The criteria which you use the facts to support, can obviously be subjective - which is why it’s also up to debaters to justify why their criteria should be used over the other. But even that has some objective elements.
You can argue rate of climb is better than straight line speed for say a spitfire vs me109 based on how those planes were used; but it would be ridiculous to use whether the name of one was better than the other. This is just basic principles of debate.
Secondly, I would also suggest that you expend your effort on winning debates, and making convincing arguments, rather than going to great length trying to convince everyone how great tactical and strategic approach will be. The last two times you claimed you had found a new perfect strategy it was followed by tumbling in the rankings.
Finally; if you have any issues with any of my votes: feel free to either challenge me to a debate on it, or to start a specific thread (or in the comments of the debate) - I would be happy to explain the vote in much more detail. Most of the accusations thus far are fairly vague accusations.
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@Club
1.) You need to prove or refute the resolution: too many people simply go line by line trying to refute their Opponent and lose track of what they are supposed to prove or refute.
2.) Make clear what you think the resolution means, and make clear what you think it takes to prove it. If your opponent doesn't argue the resolution; or argues different values: point it out, and argue why these values are incorrect - don’t simply keep arguing your position and arguing against your opponents.
3.) Syllogism are a good place to start. As it lays out your argument simply and without ambiguity, and let’s you provide a clear case.
4.) make sure everything ties back to the resolution! If you’re refuting something your opponent says, try and link it back to the resolution, rather than simply trying to argue ways it is wrong.
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@janesix
Oh absolutely, I troll RM all the time; mainly in minor and passive aggressive ways: like my avatars, when RM is particularly over the top, I do like to poke fun and use humour to draw attention at the overly dramatic tone, or overly hyperbolic statements. Like accusing me of mocking him sadistically.
When it’s aimed at the content of what he says, and targeting how he behaves in general, this is broad criticism of his content and attitude: its over the top when it’s specifically personal, or attacking him specifically - which is where Dr.F seemed to drive it.
I also personally don’t want to see RM leave: I am working on trademarking my username, charging people 1c per use of my name. If he stays I could make millions.
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@Trent0405
The issue with the Fedor debate, and RMs approach can really be highlighted here:
RM tried a near identical approach in this one, and got utterly obliterated by Oromagis opening round.
It’s actually an approach RM often takes: arguing his opinion, and trying to present his opinion where these sorts of debates are won and lost in facts. It’s a major weakness and has contributed to most (but not all) of his non forfeited debate losses.
In this debate with RM, you also took somewhat of an opinion based approach; which is why you may have felt RM did better; but with a little more experience and observations of other debaters, it becomes easier to pick out and deal with.
In the debate he had with me about Voting; he did a similar things, he posted votes and made claims about how they didn’t cover x or y: or were unfair to penalize by grammar (opinion), I countered with specific facts : by quoting the part of the votes that covered x as y, etc. The same goes for our recent Transgender debate, I am sure he was going to argue from this perspective of opinion: but then gave up and conceded when the facts were laid out logically.
So I would tend to disagree with you on your assessment of your debate in that regard.
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@janesix
So to answer the original question: RM made a large, long winded leaving post proclaiming that he was leaving and never coming back; almost everyone took RM at his word, and wished him the best. RM then comes back 2 weeks later, and attempts to pretend nothing happened, and apparently that he only took a break. Of course, as RM tends to be overly serious; the absurdity of how definitive his leaving post was, and his replies that he fixed all his personal issues in 2 weeks, was mocked by pretty much everyone.
RM then accused everyone of bullying him currently and in the past; (I pointed out that I almost exclusively attack the content and absurdity of the things he says and does, and very rarely more) - RM obviously is not bullied as much as being the recipient of criticism and satire about the validity of the things he said and does.
While I was pointing out that RM makes a number of false claims and accusations that he isn’t able to support with facts; and entered into a discussion about one particular example: a few users started attacking him personally, and it started getting a bit out of hand.
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@Trent0405
In the interest of fair representation: RM seems unable to accept criticism or negative feedback: so when he's had a string of genuinely terrible debates, which he loses, he tends to shoot the messenger - which as I tended to vote on most debates was mostly me. We had a debate about it voting, in which he raised a few objections that were dismantled, then conceded the debate. RM does like to throw out these sort of unfounded, baseless accusations all the time.
Saying that, if you want to see a good debater, and good strategy, take a look at any of Blamonkeys debates, and Death23 (that guy is a street fighting debater); while I like Sempafortis and think he’s very good, I find that his style isn’t quite as accessible. I don’t think RM at his best would be able to defeat those guys at their worst.
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@Snoopy
Theres probably many changes that are possible, and potentially simpler: time is likely the limiting factor; the work is being volunteered, and you’d be surprised how many hours a simple change takes to make.
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@TheRealNihilist
If you remove a vote and it changes the winner - you have to undo all the changes made by that victory, and reapply a new victory condition: it has to unwind ELO - which is hard as the debate them needs to store the starting ELO values of both competitors at the end.
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@TheRealNihilist
As I understand it, the issue isn’t necessarily the removal of votes; but that it’s very hard to unwind the completion of the debate when removing a vote. You’re not just removing a vote - you have to unwind everything that occurs when the win happens. Tying those mechanics to the rather simple removal of a vote entry is more complex and problematic than you may think. While there may be other possible updates that could work around this, I suspect they all come with their particular issues too.
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@Dr.Franklin
Are you seriously asking why you shouldn’t make over the top sets of attacks on a member for the purposes of driving him off the site?
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@Dr.Franklin
If that’s what you’re trying to do then definitely stop.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
@Pinkfreud08
@Dr.Franklin
@PressF4Respect
Could you guys stop, this is clearly way over the top.
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