It was a debate, so the categories were literally:
Better arguments
Better sources
Better legibility
Better conduct
That being said, in the final Round, Pro shot himself in the foot by saying it should only be down to the music. I just know if it had been the other way around, I'd have been pretty pissed.
Lancelot is enabling people to vote on debates that shouldn't even be able to vote on them yet via spamming troll debates and then asking them to vote in his favour here as a returned thing.
"You been here for half a decade, I been present for less than a year.
Already, I’m more popular than you. We call this the loot after the boss raid. "
Dogshit flow and rhyme scheme, lame landing of the punchline too.
When votebombing first realise my name isnt macman and that I am more knowledgeable of rap than Lancelot.
If you think there was no flow or roasting going on, you dont get it.
I literally turned his roasts against him, he spent more time quoting me and shit than actually rapping and it didnt rhyme other than the end of lines xD.
He was saying superficially nasty things, I was saying true shit that really sting as they are not me assuming things about him to diss.
It is you, not me, who doesnt know enough about rap.
Try high quality voting rather than high quantity voting when brand new here.
TY for the vote. I don't agree to the rankings but giving 0/10 to Waze is accurate for this debate, not for the rapping though.
Waze literally should get negative points, it was a united diss to Stormzy and Chip outraps Skepta in it (even Skepta would admit it, I am sure of it, Skepta admits he isn't always rapping hard every track, there's others in that album where Skepta outraps Chip for the inverse reason, that Chip is being lazier, idk why Waze was chosen over others).
You chose THE worst track you could have for your case here.
I can't actually giggle too much at it, i'm in fucking shock man like did you even listen to the lyrics and look anything up about UK rap before choosing it?
I can't believe this man, please see this Round 3 from Lancelot xD just see Waze and realise that Chip is dissing Stormzy in it, Waze is a subliminal 3-way attack on Stormzy!!!!
The song 'Waze' has Chip subliminal diss Stormzy btw xDDDD ohhhh fuck meee it is Stormzy he is referring to as the holy ghost and Skepta is joining in the beef there, LOL! You don't have a clue man!
I was considering Waze myself man but the intro from Adz I figured would piss off the non-British-rap-familiar ear.
I would never ever ever have considered you to even fathom posting Waze. Chip straight up outraps Skepta in it and Skepta's only in for a small verse at the end, how are you going to tell me that showcases his skill 😂😂😂😂
NO MAN HOW, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!! I CAN'T! I CAN'T!
I am not sure if you do or don't have any intention to vote on a debate like this but based on either voting frequency or long-ago choices in which debates you vote in I believe this may interest you.
I hope you enjoy some of the finest of UK rap but consider that in Round 3, not much is the actual artists Con is representing... Just look at Waze and see that Chip is in it... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I put a wrong URL in Round 1, I immediately fix it in Round 2 start, please pay attention to that.
The second is flow probably, the third depends. There's flow the kind of glides over the beat intricately, there's flow that pauses but regularly in intentional ways and then there's jagged flow.
I will keep my opinion to myself about the round 2 and later songs and just vote.
I will not vote on clarity of understood words, that's delivery, not flow. However, I will consider tradeoff, this is why you shouldn't have accepted. Flow wasn't even defined yet.
Betas are not risk-avoidant, deltas are. You don't understand the types. Deltas are the most cowardly, betas will take huge risks for their alpha(s) and allies, willingly.
I would be willing to do a different resolution that has a fairer wording and/or BoP distribution for Con.
I also think FishChaser explained the underedeveloped thesis to you. Your definitions are extremely biased and degrading even to some types while overflattering alphas and sigmas both of whom have significant flaws.
how is 'flow' defined in this and how are we to vote?
If something flows extremely well but has trash delivery that's unclear to the ears and shit bars should we rate that maximally high regardless or not?
If anyone cares, I would have picked Ghetts and Frisco.
Ghetts is genuine number 3 to me.
Frisco is a tactical pick, I know his flow and style is more awe inspiring to people less into Grime itself. He is a Grime OG (after wiley and dizzee's pure OG level) but his actual style is more suited to people who like clear impressive delivery and bars that still are sick and slap. His style is still sick for Grime fans, he is untapped potential, if he had sold out he'd be huge af but he stayed underground as shit by choice.
They also balance each other out well, Ghetts is with that high brow deep af bar tight flow shit like Devlin, Frisco has that more whip-like flow and hot/sick bars like Chip.
Ghetts and Frisco also synergise well, their hybrid tracks are FIRE.
I have always thought MGK was underrated and that even though Em bodied him, it was closer than most say it was, had MGK had a reply to Killshot, I am very sure that Eminem would be the one on the backfoot but MGK realised people were seeing him as the villain and were just waiting to point and laugh at him no good how his bars were and he was in the wrong mindstate to fight back properly.
It was a debate, so the categories were literally:
Better arguments
Better sources
Better legibility
Better conduct
That being said, in the final Round, Pro shot himself in the foot by saying it should only be down to the music. I just know if it had been the other way around, I'd have been pretty pissed.
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exactly!! It ruins the joy of just letting the music blast and thinking of nothing other than the music or something else than the music all at once.
You are supposed to vote on it as an actual debate not all 7 to winner. It was a debate.
ty for the vote
By all means a pretty straightforward vote if any of you care to vote on it.
30k chars per round AI ranting vs 30k full human effort...
Not really fair in effort alone.
All Con has to argue is using sex, persuasion or coercion/power to get a rich life instead of money itself.
So votebombers cannot affect my rating.
Sticking to debating actual topics in Rated from now on for at least the next few months.
Votebomber here again
Reminder
Lancelot is enabling people to vote on debates that shouldn't even be able to vote on them yet via spamming troll debates and then asking them to vote in his favour here as a returned thing.
Good luck with that
I am done reacting. You poked the bear. Enjoy your time here.
I am being votebombed by a brand new user. Please can you do something or not?
"You been here for half a decade, I been present for less than a year.
Already, I’m more popular than you. We call this the loot after the boss raid. "
Dogshit flow and rhyme scheme, lame landing of the punchline too.
How people call this good is beyond me.
When votebombing first realise my name isnt macman and that I am more knowledgeable of rap than Lancelot.
If you think there was no flow or roasting going on, you dont get it.
I literally turned his roasts against him, he spent more time quoting me and shit than actually rapping and it didnt rhyme other than the end of lines xD.
He was saying superficially nasty things, I was saying true shit that really sting as they are not me assuming things about him to diss.
It is you, not me, who doesnt know enough about rap.
Try high quality voting rather than high quantity voting when brand new here.
Make troll debates so some noob can votebomb for you nice one, only way you can win
Are you willing to vote here?
He only sweet talked you to get you to vote for him here lol
TY for the vote. I don't agree to the rankings but giving 0/10 to Waze is accurate for this debate, not for the rapping though.
Waze literally should get negative points, it was a united diss to Stormzy and Chip outraps Skepta in it (even Skepta would admit it, I am sure of it, Skepta admits he isn't always rapping hard every track, there's others in that album where Skepta outraps Chip for the inverse reason, that Chip is being lazier, idk why Waze was chosen over others).
stick only to the 'addressed and considered female/girl' aspect and I'll accept.
Remove dressing like a girl from the definition
You think he 'invented' that? We were doing that long before he got to the website wtf
@lancelot
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/10/08/chipmunk-waze/
please bro, educate yourself.
You chose THE worst track you could have for your case here.
I can't actually giggle too much at it, i'm in fucking shock man like did you even listen to the lyrics and look anything up about UK rap before choosing it?
I can't believe this man, please see this Round 3 from Lancelot xD just see Waze and realise that Chip is dissing Stormzy in it, Waze is a subliminal 3-way attack on Stormzy!!!!
The song 'Waze' has Chip subliminal diss Stormzy btw xDDDD ohhhh fuck meee it is Stormzy he is referring to as the holy ghost and Skepta is joining in the beef there, LOL! You don't have a clue man!
I was considering Waze myself man but the intro from Adz I figured would piss off the non-British-rap-familiar ear.
I would never ever ever have considered you to even fathom posting Waze. Chip straight up outraps Skepta in it and Skepta's only in for a small verse at the end, how are you going to tell me that showcases his skill 😂😂😂😂
NO MAN HOW, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!! I CAN'T! I CAN'T!
I am not sure if you do or don't have any intention to vote on a debate like this but based on either voting frequency or long-ago choices in which debates you vote in I believe this may interest you.
I hope you enjoy some of the finest of UK rap but consider that in Round 3, not much is the actual artists Con is representing... Just look at Waze and see that Chip is in it... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I put a wrong URL in Round 1, I immediately fix it in Round 2 start, please pay attention to that.
Dude your Round 3 picks had more from the artist who wasn't Stormzy than Stormzy himself xD
The first part is delivery, not flow.
The second is flow probably, the third depends. There's flow the kind of glides over the beat intricately, there's flow that pauses but regularly in intentional ways and then there's jagged flow.
I will keep my opinion to myself about the round 2 and later songs and just vote.
I will not vote on clarity of understood words, that's delivery, not flow. However, I will consider tradeoff, this is why you shouldn't have accepted. Flow wasn't even defined yet.
Betas are not risk-avoidant, deltas are. You don't understand the types. Deltas are the most cowardly, betas will take huge risks for their alpha(s) and allies, willingly.
I would be willing to do a different resolution that has a fairer wording and/or BoP distribution for Con.
I also think FishChaser explained the underedeveloped thesis to you. Your definitions are extremely biased and degrading even to some types while overflattering alphas and sigmas both of whom have significant flaws.
you mean Pro
4.5 hours to upload 4 songs left for your Round 2.
I'd be shaking and hesitating too after Pro's Round 2 when representing the 2 you are against them.
how is 'flow' defined in this and how are we to vote?
If something flows extremely well but has trash delivery that's unclear to the ears and shit bars should we rate that maximally high regardless or not?
I don't care, let's just debate it as it is.
More free in general.
That is the debate.
Change title, delete your username from it.
THIS IS ABOUT THE COUNTRIES NOT ABOUT YOU
neither debater defined myth by the end, as far as my skimread tells me
If anyone cares, I would have picked Ghetts and Frisco.
Ghetts is genuine number 3 to me.
Frisco is a tactical pick, I know his flow and style is more awe inspiring to people less into Grime itself. He is a Grime OG (after wiley and dizzee's pure OG level) but his actual style is more suited to people who like clear impressive delivery and bars that still are sick and slap. His style is still sick for Grime fans, he is untapped potential, if he had sold out he'd be huge af but he stayed underground as shit by choice.
They also balance each other out well, Ghetts is with that high brow deep af bar tight flow shit like Devlin, Frisco has that more whip-like flow and hot/sick bars like Chip.
Ghetts and Frisco also synergise well, their hybrid tracks are FIRE.
No matter how good his bars were**
I have always thought MGK was underrated and that even though Em bodied him, it was closer than most say it was, had MGK had a reply to Killshot, I am very sure that Eminem would be the one on the backfoot but MGK realised people were seeing him as the villain and were just waiting to point and laugh at him no good how his bars were and he was in the wrong mindstate to fight back properly.
I can't believe you genuinely are into mumble rap now. Like it's like your entire personality changed with rap other than you liking Rino.
Fire KAAN track. People should give feedback during these battles imo.
That is probably my favourite Pac track btw, I like another equally or more though, won't say until the debate's over.
He pulled Rino out xD this is gonna be good.
Thanks for the vote.
Please vote if possible. I messed up my metrics as it's actually out of 90, not 100 and Webby is 87 not 86 but in general it's fine what I've done.
Shit tier BSP track but sure, there's flow in it.