I am sure even the real life illuminati was responsible for putting the illuminati into Marvel, to make a joke of it. I am okay with the idea it is pagan, luciferan even and that it is what you say.
However, there are clear genuine differences and it is not all a game of repetition.
There are no characters truly like Hulk and Punisher in DC nor are there villains as epic as Joker and Reverse Flash in Marvel.
I prefer Marvel but the difference is this:
DC focuses entirely on making their heroes the ones you root for by ensuring the villains are so screwed up and epicly evil that you truly cannot help but root against the villains.
Marvel focuses on a balance by regularly showing flaws to heroes and humanising their villains to an extent that you are not always sure that you entirely root for the heroes.
Magneto and Silver Surfer (as an original villain to the fantastic four) are two examples of villains that genuinely are only villainous due to acting against the agenda and narrative of the heroes.
Marvel tries to make you constantly think, question and reassess. It shows the scarring behind almost all villains that led to their downwards spirals.
DC keeps it simple, you can explore the villains but they are just so absolutely evil and corrupt in their agenda that you barely ever can deny they are the malignant one.
In turn, Marvel ends up with more fascinating heroes and DC ends up with more epic, polarising villains.
I firstly can but do not want to arm Con with arguments and secondly, if you have a character that you feel is more like one, in the other comic's multiverse, then go ahead and debate it.
I should note that Marvel believes in universe where DC believes in multiverse but that distinction is only truly relevant to time travel mechanics.
Marvel later changed to support multiverse or omniverse anyway.
There are way more similarities and parallels than you may first think. I haven't seen anywhere near the depths that I'm about to explore on any fan-based article or even Quora thread etc so I am pretty confident I can go full blast here and not accidentally plagiarise or whatever.
I will give you 3 similarities that avoid spoiling much because they are early season 1 reveals for Flash and in Spiderman are well-known:
1) Both are orphans but have an adoptive alpha dad type that is overall sided with 'good' and both of their 'dad' figures are well-seasoned cops that don't entirely approve of their methods, especially when others influence them (in Spiderman it's his uncle, in Flash's it's his neighbour who was close to his dad until it was believed that his dad killed his mother).
2) Both have a female they fawn after that was their neighbour and is more like a sister to them, making the feelings a bit inappropriate and then have a continual 'cuck' vibe throughout their story with a lot of hit and miss. The female they are after is very kind but oblivious to the fact the respective boys-turned-men like her that much despite having known them for so many years.
3) Both have a link to the primary newspaper exploring them, ensuring they get the best press by getting either closer to a reporter or in Spiderman's case being that reporter (at least in his original storyline, that changes with this newer guy and how they're playing it out there with him as a younger goofy type).
Honestly it is lucky I was on, I am quite busy these days and frankly this is becoming less of a hobby of mine. This website's community isn't worse than DDO's at all, it's humans in general I'm growing tired of and here humans determine if we win or not.
That said, you never/barely gave me wins vs Mall with your vote and honestly I am not entirely sure you won here because Mall actually did kind of outplay you by redefining 'legal' as 'concerning the law' which you barely fought back on.
I won't pretend I didn't laugh at the situation but I believe strongly in Sun Tzu's teachings, at least in terms of how to navigate long-term warfare, he didn't understand tactics that well. Oromagi and you having beef is beneficial to me. This is a chain reaction from me being online when Supadudz tried to rob you of the win, after all. Had that been a win for Oro and thus had I not revoted, Oromagi's beef would solely be with me.
Thanks to those events, a lot will unfold now and people will see that I was right about Oromagi and that he is the bitter, sinister and corrupt one. Yet, I am so bored by it, it's also not my priority as I am focusing on real life issues like a career/later-in-life-studies and my health/body that are becoming more serious demands on me and are ultimately important. Being the best debater ever is a fun fantasy, now it's getting cringe even for me. I know I can debate incredibly well, this format here is more about arguing than persuading and that's the less important part of debating in real life anyway.
I find it hilarious how Barney got to grudgevote against Novice and has zero warning because they lack proof but with me they assume it and punish. Hypocrites.
There are plenty of high ranking debaters to call out that all think you are full of shit. You're only picking on me because I react so I will just stop reacting.
Idk what narcissistic issues you have but I am dont letting you spam my notifications, though I guess I will be notified for you posting to this debate.
"Why are you asking me to apologize for this when I was neither able to remove the vote as a voter on this debate nor had anything to do with Supa’s decision?
I’m more than willing to apologize if I’ve made a mistake, though you seem to think otherwise."
so protest it then, don't defend it.
He works under you and you defended his actions.
Pick a side, then I can explain why I expected you to apologise, now that I understand he was acting rogue, it perplexes me why you defended it.
Can you actually believe this shit, he will allow the reason Barney voted conduct but remove mine based on 'intent'.
This is a joke.
The only issue Supadudz had with the original vote was conduct, the fact he'd have removed it again if he had time proves pure corruption based on protecting Oromagi against an earned defeat.
Any other user less active than me and even me myself easily is not there in the last 1.5 hours of a debate to revote. I bet he would he deleted the rfd too if I had not commented it.
You can never say sorry nor own up to a genuine mistake. Neither you nor Barney seems to possess this quality. Supa screwed up.
Not a topic I care much for (I believe we will never 100% know if any election was stolen and personally unless it is a fascist maniac, I just adapt to the politics, I also believe the elite support right wing economics, so I am a left wing cobrpiacy theorist if either faked it).
While the dirty play got what I see as the correct result, I want you to realise that Supadudz's last minute vote moderating and me protesting it resulted in two votebombs.
Best Korea copy and pasted Bones' RFD.
If you had been responsible and this debate had stayed lower down the list of active debates, I doubt both would have struck.
Public choice's vote was neutralised by itself but Best Korea's could have swayed results especially if mine had stayed removed and if mine had been for Oromagi.
Green Goblin has way more to him than Joker does in one respect and in another he's just shallow as it gets where Joker had some depth.
I am sure even the real life illuminati was responsible for putting the illuminati into Marvel, to make a joke of it. I am okay with the idea it is pagan, luciferan even and that it is what you say.
However, there are clear genuine differences and it is not all a game of repetition.
There are no characters truly like Hulk and Punisher in DC nor are there villains as epic as Joker and Reverse Flash in Marvel.
I prefer Marvel but the difference is this:
DC focuses entirely on making their heroes the ones you root for by ensuring the villains are so screwed up and epicly evil that you truly cannot help but root against the villains.
Marvel focuses on a balance by regularly showing flaws to heroes and humanising their villains to an extent that you are not always sure that you entirely root for the heroes.
Magneto and Silver Surfer (as an original villain to the fantastic four) are two examples of villains that genuinely are only villainous due to acting against the agenda and narrative of the heroes.
Marvel tries to make you constantly think, question and reassess. It shows the scarring behind almost all villains that led to their downwards spirals.
DC keeps it simple, you can explore the villains but they are just so absolutely evil and corrupt in their agenda that you barely ever can deny they are the malignant one.
In turn, Marvel ends up with more fascinating heroes and DC ends up with more epic, polarising villains.
I firstly can but do not want to arm Con with arguments and secondly, if you have a character that you feel is more like one, in the other comic's multiverse, then go ahead and debate it.
I should note that Marvel believes in universe where DC believes in multiverse but that distinction is only truly relevant to time travel mechanics.
Marvel later changed to support multiverse or omniverse anyway.
I can think of several other ways oranges differ to apples.
FF Pro
Are you an exception to dodging?
Arrow of DC is the Iron man in Marvel but Iron Man's way of operating is far less secretive and lowkey than Arrow's.
Arrow is actually more like Daredevil but without question daredevil is linked to batman.
Captain America and Iron Man are actually two halves of Superman's persona and role ripped apart, if you ask me.
It has an actual resolution. Thanks.
TY for the votes
To avoid spoilers I will just say this:
There are way more similarities and parallels than you may first think. I haven't seen anywhere near the depths that I'm about to explore on any fan-based article or even Quora thread etc so I am pretty confident I can go full blast here and not accidentally plagiarise or whatever.
I will give you 3 similarities that avoid spoiling much because they are early season 1 reveals for Flash and in Spiderman are well-known:
1) Both are orphans but have an adoptive alpha dad type that is overall sided with 'good' and both of their 'dad' figures are well-seasoned cops that don't entirely approve of their methods, especially when others influence them (in Spiderman it's his uncle, in Flash's it's his neighbour who was close to his dad until it was believed that his dad killed his mother).
2) Both have a female they fawn after that was their neighbour and is more like a sister to them, making the feelings a bit inappropriate and then have a continual 'cuck' vibe throughout their story with a lot of hit and miss. The female they are after is very kind but oblivious to the fact the respective boys-turned-men like her that much despite having known them for so many years.
3) Both have a link to the primary newspaper exploring them, ensuring they get the best press by getting either closer to a reporter or in Spiderman's case being that reporter (at least in his original storyline, that changes with this newer guy and how they're playing it out there with him as a younger goofy type).
Honestly it is lucky I was on, I am quite busy these days and frankly this is becoming less of a hobby of mine. This website's community isn't worse than DDO's at all, it's humans in general I'm growing tired of and here humans determine if we win or not.
That said, you never/barely gave me wins vs Mall with your vote and honestly I am not entirely sure you won here because Mall actually did kind of outplay you by redefining 'legal' as 'concerning the law' which you barely fought back on.
I won't pretend I didn't laugh at the situation but I believe strongly in Sun Tzu's teachings, at least in terms of how to navigate long-term warfare, he didn't understand tactics that well. Oromagi and you having beef is beneficial to me. This is a chain reaction from me being online when Supadudz tried to rob you of the win, after all. Had that been a win for Oro and thus had I not revoted, Oromagi's beef would solely be with me.
Thanks to those events, a lot will unfold now and people will see that I was right about Oromagi and that he is the bitter, sinister and corrupt one. Yet, I am so bored by it, it's also not my priority as I am focusing on real life issues like a career/later-in-life-studies and my health/body that are becoming more serious demands on me and are ultimately important. Being the best debater ever is a fun fantasy, now it's getting cringe even for me. I know I can debate incredibly well, this format here is more about arguing than persuading and that's the less important part of debating in real life anyway.
If you think Barney is corrupt, David is going to give you nightmares.
The vote from undefeatable is an unacceptable RFD
I will stay silent until Barney has posted his Round.
This debate depends heavily on certain unnamed 'thing's being important or ultimately unimportant.
I will go into those things after Barney has posted his closing Round.
Mall couldn't win by doing that, I had clearly separated them.
Please unblock me so that I can accept this debate.
I got busy but it is not an excuse. Would you vote taking Round 1 and 2 from me as a whole argument?
Please vote on this debate.
Debate done, revolves around what is being suspected and how to hold someone assumed innocent vs guilty overall.
Done if you wish to vote.
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You violated the description rule in Round 1, Vici, however this is a fun read. I am looking forward to the rest.
curious who you think won this, not that I don't expect to get voted into a loss regardless because I got busy.
FF from opponent.
opponent forfeits last 2 Rounds and posted no new arguments in the second Round.
I find it hilarious how Barney got to grudgevote against Novice and has zero warning because they lack proof but with me they assume it and punish. Hypocrites.
No it did not. You did not even say so and you were indeed online after I posted it as you replied to me after it was up.
Can you vote in this please?
The checks and balances are literally what keep the US democratic. How can you call that a valid rfd?
Try the forums, it is not about rating or wins there but trolls do exist.
I see it is defined now.
A book weighs more than a USB.
Rules against voters participating will not be upheld by moderation btw.
The drama queen here is very obviously you. There is a rule against discussing PMs in public btw.
Define 'outweigh' properly in the description.
There are plenty of high ranking debaters to call out that all think you are full of shit. You're only picking on me because I react so I will just stop reacting.
Idk what narcissistic issues you have but I am dont letting you spam my notifications, though I guess I will be notified for you posting to this debate.
does this debate interest you? 1 day left to vote.
"Why are you asking me to apologize for this when I was neither able to remove the vote as a voter on this debate nor had anything to do with Supa’s decision?
I’m more than willing to apologize if I’ve made a mistake, though you seem to think otherwise."
so protest it then, don't defend it.
He works under you and you defended his actions.
Pick a side, then I can explain why I expected you to apologise, now that I understand he was acting rogue, it perplexes me why you defended it.
Can you actually believe this shit, he will allow the reason Barney voted conduct but remove mine based on 'intent'.
This is a joke.
The only issue Supadudz had with the original vote was conduct, the fact he'd have removed it again if he had time proves pure corruption based on protecting Oromagi against an earned defeat.
you cannot even justify the vote removal other than assumed intent.
you didn't have a second vote to take down. You only said conduct was the issue and I used the same RFD again.
and yet that is precisely what every single right-wing shithole is experiencing for the majority of its population.
Kenya is a prime example.
The dirty voters of the past actually helped oromagi secure some of his wins.
Stop making excuses.
This was absolutely vile play and you know it.
Any other user less active than me and even me myself easily is not there in the last 1.5 hours of a debate to revote. I bet he would he deleted the rfd too if I had not commented it.
You can never say sorry nor own up to a genuine mistake. Neither you nor Barney seems to possess this quality. Supa screwed up.
Not a topic I care much for (I believe we will never 100% know if any election was stolen and personally unless it is a fascist maniac, I just adapt to the politics, I also believe the elite support right wing economics, so I am a left wing cobrpiacy theorist if either faked it).
I will look later maybe.
While the dirty play got what I see as the correct result, I want you to realise that Supadudz's last minute vote moderating and me protesting it resulted in two votebombs.
Best Korea copy and pasted Bones' RFD.
If you had been responsible and this debate had stayed lower down the list of active debates, I doubt both would have struck.
Public choice's vote was neutralised by itself but Best Korea's could have swayed results especially if mine had stayed removed and if mine had been for Oromagi.
If I had been offline in the final 1.5ish hours of the debate, Supadudz's vote deletion of me would have won Oromagi the debate.
I recommend you to strongly consider what the fuck you have d9ne here. Stop rigging debates. Do not expect me to keep your corruption quiet.
I did more than question it, I proved it to defy raw Christian moral framework.
I will chat in private about it.