This is great. Someone who enjoys losing debates because they want to convince their opponent and only that, takes on someone dedicated to sadistically troll the opponent semantically.
Both are going to troll one another to Hell and back.
^ 3 most recent examples of tragically terrible clique behaviour. I don't care what you say, you are not just guilty by association, you incite and encourage the shit that happens always putting fuel to the fire.
Then we have the half outliers like Wylted, Drafterman and Zarroette (if you don't know who she is on here, you're out of touch).
All three have conducted themselves abhorrently but each less consistently bad than the former three.
Bsh1 was a clique member but he also was always one who treated me with respect, as was whiteflame so I don't really consider either as proper clique members. They are like Mafia members who have good relations with even enemies of the Mafia on a day to day basis. They never indirectly were ever cruel to me.
That's about it. The others who are clique and haven't been terrible here are inactive to be that.
I am proud of being that, considering the types in the clique (still evident by how they carry themselves on this site other than bsh1 which has uncliqued himself very proficiently and I'm proud of him for his progress).
Okay, I want you to put as much effort as you put into that tragedy of a 'book' and dig up something that actually matters; Mikal's behaviour and display of gratitude (display by action not bullshit words) after the site saved him from poverty. I want you to catalogue his acts, time-frame them and measure the magnitude of positive vs negative acts he did post-gofundme to the community of DDO and especially to the members who had donated to him the most (other than B idk if you can still dig that part up in terms of second place etc). Please do that, then you will see that his behaviour is entirely like someone who had tricked the shit out of everyone and not someone who gave a shit anymore.
Office job crybaby waaa waa I am poor, get lost with that.
I know how people who are starving, need money ACTUALLY NEED NOT WANT are when you give it to them. He would never EVER be how he was when made president of the site. Especially not with B as his vice president, that would never EVER be how much gratitude and responsibility was felt.
Don't think for a single fucking second I owe him a shred of respect, especially not if it was him who wrote the part about me, instead of you. I do not appreciate him one tiny, minutia of emotional respect. I respect B more than him for multiple reasons. At least B is brave and a genuine narcissist (genuine narcissists are better than semi narcissists because genuine narcissists actually work hard and get things done even though they over-parade what they do, I know because I am one and that's also how I am certain B is one too). Mikal is a straight up scumbag in every sense of the term. I can say that because Mikal isn't on DA so I can say whatever I want about him on here unless it's hate-speech against his race or something like that. He is everything a human should not be, even as a debater the way he got to #1 is pure filth. Bluesteel being alpha vote mod for like 90%+ of his climb is NOT A COINCIDENCE. :)
How could he afford a full-time package of 3G? Back then it was more expensive than now even though now it's 4G because over time the idea of full-time Mobile/cell Internet has increased in competitors and quality per dollar spent.
How could he have that much down-time? I frankly think you grew up rich but if you didn't, I don't think still you know what 'poor' is. I do, not because I was particularly lower class but because my parents both were (my dad worked his ass off to ensure his kid(s) grew up middle class). I don't think you know what little 'spare time' someone working that job has. The only thing you can think about or do in a break is to stuff your face with some cheap food and rest your aching muscles, THIS I know because I worked as a dishwasher for a restaurant among other jobs (first official job was in a charity book store but that sounds much less strenuous than it actually was and was also only a summer job duration, I was the guy who lifted things and moves chunks of books from the front to the back etc and am not built the strongest). Anyways, I know what that is like, there's no way to debate well and long-term. It would actually be a waste of money to spend on a mobile/cell phone that wasn't basic as well as on Internet package on top of that. I have known what that life is even as I was because my parents raised me poorer than we really were in the sense of how much they bought me as presents etc. They raised me to value money and to truly know that even though money is that valuable, family matters more (my dad didn't raise me on the latter parts, that was my mother's doing and also my dad's extended family but he himself was and is quite materialistic but I understand why, considering how he grew up and what he lacked).
Yes, I don't care much. I love that B got conned and I hate the rest of it but don't give much of a shit. I've donated time and effort, not just money to a guy in Kenya that my family and I helped get off drugs. I know what is real charity, fuck off with this sob story of a psychopathic fraud.
I do strongly believe bluesteel was conned, not an accomplice. I wouldn't be surprised if he is that rich but I would then wonder why he didn't donate much and why he asked others. Not that I care.
As someone who now has the time on his hands to spend on a site like this to achieve the rate and win amount he got, I know first hand; there is no way in hell to debate that proficiently, vote rally that strategically and debate against that many people at once during his stampedes... If you're struggling for cash IRL and have to work double shifts just to feed yourself the next two days.
The proof is all circumstancial, including holes in his story of how he ended up in poverty. I spotted it immediately but I also know that holes in a story are common for most humans as they aren't as smart as me with remembering even their own life.
Then I saw what he did to B(I call him B as I can't criticise things about a DA user). B clearly was not in on it for many, many reasons. The idea he'd fake that quantity of donation as well as the aftermath... Not to mention how close the timing of his rage filled abuse of me on FB was to the aftermath of him realising Mikal had humiliated his run for DDO presidency, made not just him (B) look like a joke but spat in the face of someone who donated that much money to him and beat B at his own game of conning and playing people... I felt genuine pity for B in hindsight. It really must have felt like mental torture to him to realise he'd given that much money to someone who deserved the poverty they feigned because of what a disloyal cunt they were to the person and community that saved them from said poverty... There is also more clues but I can't be fucked to type them out.
I don't care. It is like me asking REF why he thinks I'm a mod-cock-guzzling sycophant. Insults don't need good reason to be harsh.
Unlike him, I know why I am insulting your story and why I have blocked you.
I am not interested in the reason why you wrote it. I am not interested in the reason why Bossy wrote it. I am even less interested in the reason why the only attempted and successful Fraud of DDO history who belongs in prison, possibly alongside bluesteel, who went by the name Mikal, wrote it.
Esocialbookworm and that guy Dennybug really were affected by it.
I don't think it PTSD affected many people's trust in you or her other than those two but everyone basically learned to never trust you lowkey whereas to those two I think it brutally affected their ability to like you, trust you and enjoy trust in any member they weren't super tight with.
Anyway, I can't truly know how it affected them, I found it pathetic. I don't care about the other parts. The Wylted part was a complete tryhard humour shambles that I think neither Max nor Wylted will remotely find funny nor relevant to either of their nature. Then again both of them are [things I can't say due to CoC] so maybe they'll enjoy it.
You think you're a lot funnier than you actually are. I never said it and frankly RM saying it will never be taken as relevant opinion but you never were remotely funny. You lost more friends than you impressed by the deception involved with that week long fake beef with debatability. She lost more friends than you. People don't like being lied to, no matter how impressive the act.
You really don't realise how low some of us think of you. I'm the only one with the guts to say it to your face.
I couldn't give less of a shit what your intent was with that story nor about how you conduct yourself in this debate. Frankly I hope you do abuse me and stop pretending to be the great guy you act like on pm and to yourself in the mirror. You may find it a good laugh and fun but you took full credit for what was in that story whether or not Mikal gave you the content. Mikal isn't even mentioned as an assistant author or anything. I don't like one fucking bit of the oh-so-tiny half page about me and I don't like how you wrote about some other users either.
Maybe you should bypass CoC some more by writing vile abuse about someone on a story you link to on-site but since the story is off-site you get away with it again.
This time try and make it factually accurate though.
Totally wrong. I went further. It was so brutal that he was stuttering, barely able to type a fucking word in response; that's how you would be if you dared take me on.
He knew I had him totally cornered given that he'd conceded what I said was the worst and most desirable type of crriminal to arrest and deal justice to, in his R2.
See, while the framed stay framed there's two angles that absolutely are unique to PB being taken and offered and two angles that take his case down with his own attack:
1. The person realises they gain nothing by confessing to the crime they didn't do (or did only half as bad or involved as is being made out).
2. The prosecution team has still got no reason to assume that suspect isn't the one that did it.
3. The entire reason they'd confess in PB is the inevitable framing being a success in their eyes and this begins to sink in, in the non-PB system in an ugly way...
4. They do any and everything to hide the crime, now having motive to dirty their record worse and face worse punishment by perverting the course of justice (which was already perverted in this case, admittedly) by framing someone else or blackmailing cops to remove evidence by threatening their spouse and children and whoever/whatever else they can.
This is worded perfect, it was so brutal and eloquent that Pro knew he was fucked. I don't blame him for struggling.
Holy fuck you are beyond reason. The argument that they will be framed anyway is so incredibly strong that I don't know how to win as the other side at all when the opponent brings that up. I used the source of Aussie Plea Negotiations to explain that the bargaining only begins after they have you cornered from so many angles already that you're going to be the lead suspect and found guilty regardless.
As one of the only debaters who genuinely staggered me on the DI tournament with how you manoeuvred BoP etc, I will enjoy losing this, if I do. Good luck.
We must expose this semantics abuser every debate he makes so even when we die his kind of pseudo-debater don't get the winrate and rating that proper debaters earn and deserve.
My sources did support me significantly and my arguments all mattered. You told me that only one of my four steps in explaining why PB makes the framed end up in a worse situation and encourages then to do more to cover it up by framing someone else instead of themselves, was disgustingly poor effort and indicative of poor logic and reading comprehension skills. Don't fucking talk down to me like you know where my argument went right or wrong, you couldn't even follow it properly.
I don't respect the RFD at all. My case simply went over your head. My sources we're used just as good as his which were merely copy and paste excuses. I provided irrefutable lines of logic about negotiating position and turns pros case against itself.
Wylted, when you break the ankle of a bear that is otherwise tame, it is going to claw and bite not just for defence, but also out of an innate urge for retribution.
Don't fuck around with your confidant and expect not even the slightest reminder of who has power. You had no place lying like you did, you also will find I got that debate deleted and that everything you said about me on that debate comments section was proven wrong.
I have honour, I understand the balance between honour and naivety and how to not have too much of honour such that I am ridiculously naive without losing said honour. Honour is not the same as being noble. Being noble is being known for being honourable, many dishonourable people have been noble in the past and vice versa. The biggest example is Winston Churchill, he is fierce and great at what he did but my god he was dirty behind the scenes. In fact the entire middle east and its issues are due to something he and FD Roosevelt... Well, let's just say... Israel was not step 1, it was step 2. The problems that happened with Israel weren't entirely unintended. Anyway, I am quite unlike Churchill. I am far more honourable than noble. I am not known for said honour all that much but those who know me, deeply appreciate it.
Don't play around with people if you aren't ready to get beaten at your own game. First learn how and why to be honourable, then experiment with how and why to afford to not be it.
People who can't debate for shit so they debate something totally different to what the enemy thinks the resolution is by abusively disguising semantics
Just know I've exposed you. End of story. If a noob stills grabs this so be it. I will do all in my rule abiding powers to stop you, that's all I promise.
The definition of the verb being is existing. The definition of the noun being is something that exists. This means that you are defining the noun as the verb to make it impossible to disprove.
Please look in the debate at conduct and sourcing. Now also look at arguments he ignored. Now read the comments and seek motive to grudge vote. Do your job properly, that's all I can say without getting rude here.
This is great. Someone who enjoys losing debates because they want to convince their opponent and only that, takes on someone dedicated to sadistically troll the opponent semantically.
Both are going to troll one another to Hell and back.
REF, Zeichen, Spacetime
^ 3 most recent examples of tragically terrible clique behaviour. I don't care what you say, you are not just guilty by association, you incite and encourage the shit that happens always putting fuel to the fire.
Then we have the half outliers like Wylted, Drafterman and Zarroette (if you don't know who she is on here, you're out of touch).
All three have conducted themselves abhorrently but each less consistently bad than the former three.
Bsh1 was a clique member but he also was always one who treated me with respect, as was whiteflame so I don't really consider either as proper clique members. They are like Mafia members who have good relations with even enemies of the Mafia on a day to day basis. They never indirectly were ever cruel to me.
That's about it. The others who are clique and haven't been terrible here are inactive to be that.
I am proud of being that, considering the types in the clique (still evident by how they carry themselves on this site other than bsh1 which has uncliqued himself very proficiently and I'm proud of him for his progress).
I meant whiteflame not bluesteel (corrected now)
I am relying on a lot of your jury nullification structure in your debate vs whiteflame to structure my case vs blamonkey.
You are great at debating when you want to be, but at forums and that side of the site you are among the dirtiest of the dirty.
Okay, I want you to put as much effort as you put into that tragedy of a 'book' and dig up something that actually matters; Mikal's behaviour and display of gratitude (display by action not bullshit words) after the site saved him from poverty. I want you to catalogue his acts, time-frame them and measure the magnitude of positive vs negative acts he did post-gofundme to the community of DDO and especially to the members who had donated to him the most (other than B idk if you can still dig that part up in terms of second place etc). Please do that, then you will see that his behaviour is entirely like someone who had tricked the shit out of everyone and not someone who gave a shit anymore.
Office job crybaby waaa waa I am poor, get lost with that.
I know how people who are starving, need money ACTUALLY NEED NOT WANT are when you give it to them. He would never EVER be how he was when made president of the site. Especially not with B as his vice president, that would never EVER be how much gratitude and responsibility was felt.
Don't think for a single fucking second I owe him a shred of respect, especially not if it was him who wrote the part about me, instead of you. I do not appreciate him one tiny, minutia of emotional respect. I respect B more than him for multiple reasons. At least B is brave and a genuine narcissist (genuine narcissists are better than semi narcissists because genuine narcissists actually work hard and get things done even though they over-parade what they do, I know because I am one and that's also how I am certain B is one too). Mikal is a straight up scumbag in every sense of the term. I can say that because Mikal isn't on DA so I can say whatever I want about him on here unless it's hate-speech against his race or something like that. He is everything a human should not be, even as a debater the way he got to #1 is pure filth. Bluesteel being alpha vote mod for like 90%+ of his climb is NOT A COINCIDENCE. :)
How could he afford a full-time package of 3G? Back then it was more expensive than now even though now it's 4G because over time the idea of full-time Mobile/cell Internet has increased in competitors and quality per dollar spent.
How could he have that much down-time? I frankly think you grew up rich but if you didn't, I don't think still you know what 'poor' is. I do, not because I was particularly lower class but because my parents both were (my dad worked his ass off to ensure his kid(s) grew up middle class). I don't think you know what little 'spare time' someone working that job has. The only thing you can think about or do in a break is to stuff your face with some cheap food and rest your aching muscles, THIS I know because I worked as a dishwasher for a restaurant among other jobs (first official job was in a charity book store but that sounds much less strenuous than it actually was and was also only a summer job duration, I was the guy who lifted things and moves chunks of books from the front to the back etc and am not built the strongest). Anyways, I know what that is like, there's no way to debate well and long-term. It would actually be a waste of money to spend on a mobile/cell phone that wasn't basic as well as on Internet package on top of that. I have known what that life is even as I was because my parents raised me poorer than we really were in the sense of how much they bought me as presents etc. They raised me to value money and to truly know that even though money is that valuable, family matters more (my dad didn't raise me on the latter parts, that was my mother's doing and also my dad's extended family but he himself was and is quite materialistic but I understand why, considering how he grew up and what he lacked).
Yes, I don't care much. I love that B got conned and I hate the rest of it but don't give much of a shit. I've donated time and effort, not just money to a guy in Kenya that my family and I helped get off drugs. I know what is real charity, fuck off with this sob story of a psychopathic fraud.
I do strongly believe bluesteel was conned, not an accomplice. I wouldn't be surprised if he is that rich but I would then wonder why he didn't donate much and why he asked others. Not that I care.
As someone who now has the time on his hands to spend on a site like this to achieve the rate and win amount he got, I know first hand; there is no way in hell to debate that proficiently, vote rally that strategically and debate against that many people at once during his stampedes... If you're struggling for cash IRL and have to work double shifts just to feed yourself the next two days.
Cannot comment on who the sociopathic B is
B is not bluesteel.
The proof is all circumstancial, including holes in his story of how he ended up in poverty. I spotted it immediately but I also know that holes in a story are common for most humans as they aren't as smart as me with remembering even their own life.
Then I saw what he did to B(I call him B as I can't criticise things about a DA user). B clearly was not in on it for many, many reasons. The idea he'd fake that quantity of donation as well as the aftermath... Not to mention how close the timing of his rage filled abuse of me on FB was to the aftermath of him realising Mikal had humiliated his run for DDO presidency, made not just him (B) look like a joke but spat in the face of someone who donated that much money to him and beat B at his own game of conning and playing people... I felt genuine pity for B in hindsight. It really must have felt like mental torture to him to realise he'd given that much money to someone who deserved the poverty they feigned because of what a disloyal cunt they were to the person and community that saved them from said poverty... There is also more clues but I can't be fucked to type them out.
I don't care. It is like me asking REF why he thinks I'm a mod-cock-guzzling sycophant. Insults don't need good reason to be harsh.
Unlike him, I know why I am insulting your story and why I have blocked you.
I am not interested in the reason why you wrote it. I am not interested in the reason why Bossy wrote it. I am even less interested in the reason why the only attempted and successful Fraud of DDO history who belongs in prison, possibly alongside bluesteel, who went by the name Mikal, wrote it.
Esocialbookworm and that guy Dennybug really were affected by it.
I don't think it PTSD affected many people's trust in you or her other than those two but everyone basically learned to never trust you lowkey whereas to those two I think it brutally affected their ability to like you, trust you and enjoy trust in any member they weren't super tight with.
Anyway, I can't truly know how it affected them, I found it pathetic. I don't care about the other parts. The Wylted part was a complete tryhard humour shambles that I think neither Max nor Wylted will remotely find funny nor relevant to either of their nature. Then again both of them are [things I can't say due to CoC] so maybe they'll enjoy it.
It was utter shit. Accuracy 1/10
Quality 0/10
You think you're a lot funnier than you actually are. I never said it and frankly RM saying it will never be taken as relevant opinion but you never were remotely funny. You lost more friends than you impressed by the deception involved with that week long fake beef with debatability. She lost more friends than you. People don't like being lied to, no matter how impressive the act.
You really don't realise how low some of us think of you. I'm the only one with the guts to say it to your face.
I couldn't give less of a shit what your intent was with that story nor about how you conduct yourself in this debate. Frankly I hope you do abuse me and stop pretending to be the great guy you act like on pm and to yourself in the mirror. You may find it a good laugh and fun but you took full credit for what was in that story whether or not Mikal gave you the content. Mikal isn't even mentioned as an assistant author or anything. I don't like one fucking bit of the oh-so-tiny half page about me and I don't like how you wrote about some other users either.
Maybe you should bypass CoC some more by writing vile abuse about someone on a story you link to on-site but since the story is off-site you get away with it again.
This time try and make it factually accurate though.
Totally wrong. I went further. It was so brutal that he was stuttering, barely able to type a fucking word in response; that's how you would be if you dared take me on.
He knew I had him totally cornered given that he'd conceded what I said was the worst and most desirable type of crriminal to arrest and deal justice to, in his R2.
See, while the framed stay framed there's two angles that absolutely are unique to PB being taken and offered and two angles that take his case down with his own attack:
1. The person realises they gain nothing by confessing to the crime they didn't do (or did only half as bad or involved as is being made out).
2. The prosecution team has still got no reason to assume that suspect isn't the one that did it.
3. The entire reason they'd confess in PB is the inevitable framing being a success in their eyes and this begins to sink in, in the non-PB system in an ugly way...
4. They do any and everything to hide the crime, now having motive to dirty their record worse and face worse punishment by perverting the course of justice (which was already perverted in this case, admittedly) by framing someone else or blackmailing cops to remove evidence by threatening their spouse and children and whoever/whatever else they can.
This is worded perfect, it was so brutal and eloquent that Pro knew he was fucked. I don't blame him for struggling.
Hahahaha, whatever you say. You voted for me and I still am critical what's your excuse now?
Holy fuck you are beyond reason. The argument that they will be framed anyway is so incredibly strong that I don't know how to win as the other side at all when the opponent brings that up. I used the source of Aussie Plea Negotiations to explain that the bargaining only begins after they have you cornered from so many angles already that you're going to be the lead suspect and found guilty regardless.
Bump
As one of the only debaters who genuinely staggered me on the DI tournament with how you manoeuvred BoP etc, I will enjoy losing this, if I do. Good luck.
You gonna K heavily on morality or legality or attack via both?
Thank fully I saved you from it.
We must expose this semantics abuser every debate he makes so even when we die his kind of pseudo-debater don't get the winrate and rating that proper debaters earn and deserve.
My sources did support me significantly and my arguments all mattered. You told me that only one of my four steps in explaining why PB makes the framed end up in a worse situation and encourages then to do more to cover it up by framing someone else instead of themselves, was disgustingly poor effort and indicative of poor logic and reading comprehension skills. Don't fucking talk down to me like you know where my argument went right or wrong, you couldn't even follow it properly.
I don't respect the RFD at all. My case simply went over your head. My sources we're used just as good as his which were merely copy and paste excuses. I provided irrefutable lines of logic about negotiating position and turns pros case against itself.
It's done.
will appreciate a vote.
OMG I JUST NOTICED LMAO
I did not threaten to kill you. I am done here. Speak away about me, my assumed lifestyle and my job. Fucking joke.
@Wylted if I was head mod, CoC would be quite different when it comes to this matter. Can't say it without breaking threat CoC.
You'd be banned though, I can say that much.
Wylted, when you break the ankle of a bear that is otherwise tame, it is going to claw and bite not just for defence, but also out of an innate urge for retribution.
Don't fuck around with your confidant and expect not even the slightest reminder of who has power. You had no place lying like you did, you also will find I got that debate deleted and that everything you said about me on that debate comments section was proven wrong.
I have honour, I understand the balance between honour and naivety and how to not have too much of honour such that I am ridiculously naive without losing said honour. Honour is not the same as being noble. Being noble is being known for being honourable, many dishonourable people have been noble in the past and vice versa. The biggest example is Winston Churchill, he is fierce and great at what he did but my god he was dirty behind the scenes. In fact the entire middle east and its issues are due to something he and FD Roosevelt... Well, let's just say... Israel was not step 1, it was step 2. The problems that happened with Israel weren't entirely unintended. Anyway, I am quite unlike Churchill. I am far more honourable than noble. I am not known for said honour all that much but those who know me, deeply appreciate it.
Don't play around with people if you aren't ready to get beaten at your own game. First learn how and why to be honourable, then experiment with how and why to afford to not be it.
But with mods it applies even if not mod related?
Don't worry Castin, I am not a pussy to betray you because you are mod. Our gossip is safe af.
Please pay attention here to what you have exposed yourself to.
@Wylted please do, I'll follow it on my vote. :)
Spamming bumps, all to know.
Abuser, all to say.
Fake deleted comment.on phone and deleting doesn't work
And people call me the delusional narcissist of the site.
There isn't a single debate that wasn't a full forfeit where you didn't solely win by goalpost moving.
People who can't debate for shit so they debate something totally different to what the enemy thinks the resolution is by abusively disguising semantics
Existing in a specific form is the verb being, sorry for the mixup. It's not just existing. Either way you're lying.
Just know I've exposed you. End of story. If a noob stills grabs this so be it. I will do all in my rule abiding powers to stop you, that's all I promise.
Wrong. If I disagree based on facts, then my disagreement is absolutely reason for it to be ascertained as being wrong.
The definition of the verb being is existing. The definition of the noun being is something that exists. This means that you are defining the noun as the verb to make it impossible to disprove.
Please look in the debate at conduct and sourcing. Now also look at arguments he ignored. Now read the comments and seek motive to grudge vote. Do your job properly, that's all I can say without getting rude here.
He will not put it in his first Round. He is a chronic liar with shameless debate tactics.