What you're doing with devon here is no different to schoolgirl gossip-ass shitty games where the person is unsure how bad what they say behind their back it and they use that lack of information to further the turmoil.
It won't work on me. I don't give a shit what you and Devond and whoever else bitch and moan about me behind my back. I can not only 'play those games' but I really don't give a shit. It's not my problem if you are insecure about me being the way I am.
Simping for wylted saying I attacked him there so nastily is actually hilarious to me since you could have shown far harsher than that comedic post. If Wylted is claiming to be a victim of harassment, let him say it himself. All I said is I wish Wylted was back to his old, skilled self. I missed it.
It was also intentionally written melodramatically to be entertaining as fuck. You were even entertained by it. It's unhealthy to obsess over me so much.
That's an attack? Seriously? That's something you would punish for as a mod? Yet you ridiculing people, @ing trolls like brother thomas etc to abuse and berate others intentionally sitting back and eating popcorn as you watch what unfolds isn't?
You think Wylted feels so 'attacked' by that? Give me a fucking break! Wylted has seriously attacked entire races, even specifically winding speedrace up one time ridiculing him for being black very intentionally during a mafia game, on another account of Wylted's. I can't be bothered to prove anything.
I am finding this all very hilarious so any entertaining post is ruled out but calling me an autistic incel loser who should kill himself for entertainment is acceptable and making entire discord servers you invite people to, in order to 'plot against me' and shit like that is not a problem?
I can screenshot me talking a bit to another user or 2 about Lancelot's abuse of me being part of the reason I left but that's private and some shit stays private. I am letting you know that he has been harassing me for a long while. It began around the election, that's why he lied to people when he @d them, publicly even and privately relishing in how much it would wind me up.
He wasn't happy Wylted won but that me, a guy he saw as a pathetic loser, had lost. That's all this is about to him. He is an abusive, toxic personality that even gets off on making others he charms think someone is evil, rather than stick to just the pure abuse strategy he will abuse by as you say 'mirroring' which you mean is projecting or something.
Whether you agree with me or not is your issue, Devon. Whether you only want 1 side of a story is your issue and whether you want to verbally abuse me on Discord is also your issue.
I don't know what your problem is with me and I really couldn't care less. I am me, if you don't like it then fuck off. I am sure you feel the same with me.
I was nothing but nice to you on PM and one time I merely stand up to you outside of PM and you call me a bitch.
That's all that happened between us, if you didn't care that I blocked you, you wouldn't have blocked me. It was you who kept ignoring me on PM and never let us get close. There are many here who know I am anything but full of shit, that group includes at least 1 of the mods since they are acting on what I am reporting.
I am bringing negativity Devon? Are you serious right now? Not Lancelot?
If Slainte left because of me, he needs to speak for himself on the matter. If I left due to Lancelot, which in part I actually did and just didn't mention it, as he makes this place a toxic negative cesspool that isn't nice to be around, people wouldn't care and didn't.
Nobody is obligated to care why someone leaves this place, in a way it is freeing as all of us are free to leave without explanation.
I am embarrassed in a way. Would never show this stuff or site to a genuine rap fan group, shit's a shit show. Slainte even suggesting you outclassed me in rhymes and flow would be enough for any genuine rap fans to smirk and shake their heads.
Fishchaser can actually write a good rap. Rest of this site is a joke in that department, barring me.
You probably meant 'Pro' not 'Con' but I see how you saw it. I disagree with you, it ends up as a trap on Pro because you can then pivot to the Kritik angle from that.
You did number 3 after Pro himself brought it up (for reasons beyond me, as you only had to ask questions to bury Pro in that angle).
I wish to begin my RFD by quoting Con's closing statement:
"Pro doesn't consent that he's supporting "Logan Paul should return to Japan attempt to atone for his reputation."
Pro doesn't show evidence why Logan Paul must specifically return to Japan in order to atone.
Pro tries to bring "moral duty", but Logan Paul already has completely "moral duty"."
This was a brilliant summary of Pro's fatal flaws throughout the debate. Pro seems to have constructed a case that assumes that if Logan did something, then he automatically ought to go to a location and do something *beyond atoning* even, since Pro never quite establishes what atoning even means.
Source-wise, both debaters relied a bit on YouTube but only Con used an actual news from an acclaimed source like BBC. This was used to back the fact that Logan Paul has already taken steps to improve his image and at least indirectly atone for what he's done by helping others. In contrast the 'step up' from YT links for Pro was merely what seems like an amateur blog post, not even professional blog post, summarising what Logan Paul did as opposed to something relevant to proving he ought to go back to Japan to atone for it.
I also note that one of the most crucial aspects of the debate ended up being that Logan Paul already has apologised, which was what Con used YT to prove, whereas Pro only used it to establish what Logan Paul had done and to instead provide the very link that Con used against him; that Logan Paul had already apologised. I am not penalising Pro heavily for the backfiring, merely summing up all the source usage and why I objectively see Con's use of sources as superior.
Right now, I will note that I am applying Tabula Rasa here, I can already think of 3 angles Con failed to take:
1) That Logan Paul is anything but welcome in Japan and could be hurt if he returns there (and ruin his image more).
2) That what he did wasn't quite as bad as Pro makes out if you see it in a different light.
3) [Kritik] That atoning for it is implausible or at least very improbable and him going to Japan would only seem superficial as they will not forgive it.
I note that these angles were not taken by Con and am shocked that in my eyes Con won by not taking any of these stronger/superior angles.
The debate instead comes down to 3 fundamental concepts:
1) Atoning versus completely resolving.
2) Whether physically visiting Japan to apologise on top of his already-present apology is necessary for atonement.
3) If atoning is even viable (despite Con not Kritiking it, Pro shot himself in the foot hard by some things he raised)
On the first concept combined with the third, I see neither debate explain what 'atone' is specifically defined as, the entire debate but Bella raises the point that it is not equal to completely resolving. The further issue is the following:
"Because the damage they have done is irreparable" is a statement by Pro, which if you scroll up was one of the angles I mentioned that Con didn't Kritik with despite it being so strong had Con done so.
Pro also says this: "Proven himself how? His actions to good causes seem to be coming from a place of maintaining his good image and trying to save face than from an authentic position of true regret & remorse."
Which links to the first angle I mentioned combined with the third (Kritik) angle. I am not saying that I involved that in my voting but I am seeing Pro actually lay the groundworks for extremely brutal decimations to his case that Con didn't even think to bring up.
Con leverages these both, respectively, with some rhetorical questions and defensive statements:
(1)
"So, what can Logan Paul do? That specifically makes him return to Japan and that he hasn't already done? (I do see you offer steps, and I will regard later in the debate).
What makes them different?
Elon Musk has quite the postion and more power to raise awareness, I don't see him doing that? Because he shouldn't, it's his money."
(2)
"What do you think your ways of presenting ways of attempting to atoning would be?
Wouldn't atoning in your standards, be the same way? Trying to save his face? Regardless of his intentions, the same thing applies to your reasoning."
The second was not my style, too passive in delivery but it began to gape open a permanently bleeding wound in Pro's 'structure' or 'body' of argumentation. If Logan Paul would go and visit Japan why would they forgive it more than now? Wouldn't that seem like him going out of his way to save face and his image/brand? Pro's own logic begins to muddy the waters with respect to what atonement even means or how to qualify as atoning rather than saving one's image.
The entire debate continues with Con essentially asking 'why does he need to visit Japan if he has already apologised and donated to a suicide prevention charity'? Pro's replies all assume that the reader would automatically presume that visiting the nation of Japan is a necessary and effective step in the atonement for what he has done.
Since neither debater establishes the exact definition and qualification for atonement, I lean to Con on the idea that apologising and donating seem to qualify as 'atonement' since it seems to be linked to apology and forgiveness and Pro never pushes another definition down other than apparently visiting a country is arbitrarily part of atonement.
It's extremely strange that he forfeited this after voting for Lancelot in the rap battle against me and never once explaining the vote when I ask about things in it.
Many redpillers get laid and many bluepillers are incels. The MSM is lying to you.
Both redpill and bluepill have voluntarily celibate people at times, blackpillers are generally either incels or arrogant bulls with narcissistic tendencies that cannot male the women they fuck leave their cucks for them as they have low EQ and often so do the women.
Your have no idea about red pill ethos, it can be toxic but it stands against defeatism and genetics-based excuses for failing to get where you want in life. It also is far beyond just the dating tips.
Andrew Tate used to be purely red pill but over time has become a shill that leans black pill.
Red and blue are both most correct, it is hybrid truth.
Black pill is least correct but an ugly dwarf or extreme of any kind that is not so appealing to their desired gender and demographic is going to achieve least proportional success rate due to genetics, that is true.
Ironically I think my Round 4 had the best flow but other than that I can see your logic and taste.
If you want to see the internal flow and rhyming to the longer lines with the word 'provoke' in them, message me, otherwise fair enough.
I actually believe you are not from US or Canada nor any english speaking nation? The reason I ask is solely to understand the accent and tempo of talking that you hear in your head while reading. A Korean reading English (if you are SK) would see the flow in the areas you said and not at all see it in my longer line because they emphasise vowels and such differently when even doing K-pop rapping etc.
I am genuinely confused how the final round of Pro even rhymes for the majority of it... I just seriously reread it to see what others see in it and can't believe that even counts as rap LOL
Out of curiosity does something like this interest you at all to vote on?
I am aware that you tend to like simpler flows and thus Lancelot may be to your taste more in that sense but regardless I encourage you to read it to the end and vote.
I am losing regardless at this point, if you vote for me, so I have nothing to lose requesting this.
What you're doing with devon here is no different to schoolgirl gossip-ass shitty games where the person is unsure how bad what they say behind their back it and they use that lack of information to further the turmoil.
It won't work on me. I don't give a shit what you and Devond and whoever else bitch and moan about me behind my back. I can not only 'play those games' but I really don't give a shit. It's not my problem if you are insecure about me being the way I am.
Simping for wylted saying I attacked him there so nastily is actually hilarious to me since you could have shown far harsher than that comedic post. If Wylted is claiming to be a victim of harassment, let him say it himself. All I said is I wish Wylted was back to his old, skilled self. I missed it.
It was also intentionally written melodramatically to be entertaining as fuck. You were even entertained by it. It's unhealthy to obsess over me so much.
Everyone is entitled to regret voting for me in the election, I was surprised nobody worthy ran for it other than me.
LOL!!!!
That's an attack? Seriously? That's something you would punish for as a mod? Yet you ridiculing people, @ing trolls like brother thomas etc to abuse and berate others intentionally sitting back and eating popcorn as you watch what unfolds isn't?
You think Wylted feels so 'attacked' by that? Give me a fucking break! Wylted has seriously attacked entire races, even specifically winding speedrace up one time ridiculing him for being black very intentionally during a mafia game, on another account of Wylted's. I can't be bothered to prove anything.
I am finding this all very hilarious so any entertaining post is ruled out but calling me an autistic incel loser who should kill himself for entertainment is acceptable and making entire discord servers you invite people to, in order to 'plot against me' and shit like that is not a problem?
If you've been playing a nice guy and been fake to me, that says infinitely more about you than about me.
I am not the fake one here, Devon. Try not to make your case by flexing how fake you were.
I can screenshot me talking a bit to another user or 2 about Lancelot's abuse of me being part of the reason I left but that's private and some shit stays private. I am letting you know that he has been harassing me for a long while. It began around the election, that's why he lied to people when he @d them, publicly even and privately relishing in how much it would wind me up.
He wasn't happy Wylted won but that me, a guy he saw as a pathetic loser, had lost. That's all this is about to him. He is an abusive, toxic personality that even gets off on making others he charms think someone is evil, rather than stick to just the pure abuse strategy he will abuse by as you say 'mirroring' which you mean is projecting or something.
Whether you agree with me or not is your issue, Devon. Whether you only want 1 side of a story is your issue and whether you want to verbally abuse me on Discord is also your issue.
I don't know what your problem is with me and I really couldn't care less. I am me, if you don't like it then fuck off. I am sure you feel the same with me.
You have heard many things.
I was nothing but nice to you on PM and one time I merely stand up to you outside of PM and you call me a bitch.
That's all that happened between us, if you didn't care that I blocked you, you wouldn't have blocked me. It was you who kept ignoring me on PM and never let us get close. There are many here who know I am anything but full of shit, that group includes at least 1 of the mods since they are acting on what I am reporting.
Slainte's profile said he's from Malta, I will wait for Slainte to speak for himself.
I am bringing negativity Devon? Are you serious right now? Not Lancelot?
If Slainte left because of me, he needs to speak for himself on the matter. If I left due to Lancelot, which in part I actually did and just didn't mention it, as he makes this place a toxic negative cesspool that isn't nice to be around, people wouldn't care and didn't.
Nobody is obligated to care why someone leaves this place, in a way it is freeing as all of us are free to leave without explanation.
Has Slainte ever said I bullied him?
I am embarrassed in a way. Would never show this stuff or site to a genuine rap fan group, shit's a shit show. Slainte even suggesting you outclassed me in rhymes and flow would be enough for any genuine rap fans to smirk and shake their heads.
Fishchaser can actually write a good rap. Rest of this site is a joke in that department, barring me.
You mean because ofvotebombs or what?
Dragons exist but I won't go for that Kritik
You cannot do Rated direct challenges.
Mismatch of the decade. Ref stop it please...
GG, I was strongly considering some of Nas's stuff.
But there have never been cases before where one can concede post-debate and it is genuinely considered in vote moderation.
You probably meant 'Pro' not 'Con' but I see how you saw it. I disagree with you, it ends up as a trap on Pro because you can then pivot to the Kritik angle from that.
You did number 3 after Pro himself brought it up (for reasons beyond me, as you only had to ask questions to bury Pro in that angle).
RFD (1/3)
I wish to begin my RFD by quoting Con's closing statement:
"Pro doesn't consent that he's supporting "Logan Paul should return to Japan attempt to atone for his reputation."
Pro doesn't show evidence why Logan Paul must specifically return to Japan in order to atone.
Pro tries to bring "moral duty", but Logan Paul already has completely "moral duty"."
This was a brilliant summary of Pro's fatal flaws throughout the debate. Pro seems to have constructed a case that assumes that if Logan did something, then he automatically ought to go to a location and do something *beyond atoning* even, since Pro never quite establishes what atoning even means.
Source-wise, both debaters relied a bit on YouTube but only Con used an actual news from an acclaimed source like BBC. This was used to back the fact that Logan Paul has already taken steps to improve his image and at least indirectly atone for what he's done by helping others. In contrast the 'step up' from YT links for Pro was merely what seems like an amateur blog post, not even professional blog post, summarising what Logan Paul did as opposed to something relevant to proving he ought to go back to Japan to atone for it.
RFD (2/3)
I also note that one of the most crucial aspects of the debate ended up being that Logan Paul already has apologised, which was what Con used YT to prove, whereas Pro only used it to establish what Logan Paul had done and to instead provide the very link that Con used against him; that Logan Paul had already apologised. I am not penalising Pro heavily for the backfiring, merely summing up all the source usage and why I objectively see Con's use of sources as superior.
Right now, I will note that I am applying Tabula Rasa here, I can already think of 3 angles Con failed to take:
1) That Logan Paul is anything but welcome in Japan and could be hurt if he returns there (and ruin his image more).
2) That what he did wasn't quite as bad as Pro makes out if you see it in a different light.
3) [Kritik] That atoning for it is implausible or at least very improbable and him going to Japan would only seem superficial as they will not forgive it.
I note that these angles were not taken by Con and am shocked that in my eyes Con won by not taking any of these stronger/superior angles.
The debate instead comes down to 3 fundamental concepts:
1) Atoning versus completely resolving.
2) Whether physically visiting Japan to apologise on top of his already-present apology is necessary for atonement.
3) If atoning is even viable (despite Con not Kritiking it, Pro shot himself in the foot hard by some things he raised)
On the first concept combined with the third, I see neither debate explain what 'atone' is specifically defined as, the entire debate but Bella raises the point that it is not equal to completely resolving. The further issue is the following:
"Because the damage they have done is irreparable" is a statement by Pro, which if you scroll up was one of the angles I mentioned that Con didn't Kritik with despite it being so strong had Con done so.
Pro also says this: "Proven himself how? His actions to good causes seem to be coming from a place of maintaining his good image and trying to save face than from an authentic position of true regret & remorse."
RFD (3/3)
Which links to the first angle I mentioned combined with the third (Kritik) angle. I am not saying that I involved that in my voting but I am seeing Pro actually lay the groundworks for extremely brutal decimations to his case that Con didn't even think to bring up.
Con leverages these both, respectively, with some rhetorical questions and defensive statements:
(1)
"So, what can Logan Paul do? That specifically makes him return to Japan and that he hasn't already done? (I do see you offer steps, and I will regard later in the debate).
What makes them different?
Elon Musk has quite the postion and more power to raise awareness, I don't see him doing that? Because he shouldn't, it's his money."
(2)
"What do you think your ways of presenting ways of attempting to atoning would be?
Wouldn't atoning in your standards, be the same way? Trying to save his face? Regardless of his intentions, the same thing applies to your reasoning."
The second was not my style, too passive in delivery but it began to gape open a permanently bleeding wound in Pro's 'structure' or 'body' of argumentation. If Logan Paul would go and visit Japan why would they forgive it more than now? Wouldn't that seem like him going out of his way to save face and his image/brand? Pro's own logic begins to muddy the waters with respect to what atonement even means or how to qualify as atoning rather than saving one's image.
The entire debate continues with Con essentially asking 'why does he need to visit Japan if he has already apologised and donated to a suicide prevention charity'? Pro's replies all assume that the reader would automatically presume that visiting the nation of Japan is a necessary and effective step in the atonement for what he has done.
Since neither debater establishes the exact definition and qualification for atonement, I lean to Con on the idea that apologising and donating seem to qualify as 'atonement' since it seems to be linked to apology and forgiveness and Pro never pushes another definition down other than apparently visiting a country is arbitrarily part of atonement.
Very strange indeed
It's extremely strange that he forfeited this after voting for Lancelot in the rap battle against me and never once explaining the vote when I ask about things in it.
do concessions in comments done well after the debate ended count as valid?
Concessions in comments section mean nothing and seem like collusion at play.
whoever taught lancelot to rhyme let alone rap is a terrible teacher.
How did his mind suddenly change?
Sting voted for me before.
Was Sting eligible to vote now with the same rfd?
Many redpillers get laid and many bluepillers are incels. The MSM is lying to you.
Both redpill and bluepill have voluntarily celibate people at times, blackpillers are generally either incels or arrogant bulls with narcissistic tendencies that cannot male the women they fuck leave their cucks for them as they have low EQ and often so do the women.
Your have no idea about red pill ethos, it can be toxic but it stands against defeatism and genetics-based excuses for failing to get where you want in life. It also is far beyond just the dating tips.
Andrew Tate used to be purely red pill but over time has become a shill that leans black pill.
Your understanding of red pill is merely an extension of black pill.
this one may interest you. If you are curious, just 'google' K Rino and Sa Roc before reading.
💯 agreed
Black and bpue have overlap if you see things pr9perly in the venn diagram.
Red is the most accurate but is futile as with the wrong match, all you effort and success backfires on you, making blue in the end the most right.
Red pill isore correct in real life financial freedom ideas, not in dating or love.
No way at all is that true.
Red and blue are both most correct, it is hybrid truth.
Black pill is least correct but an ugly dwarf or extreme of any kind that is not so appealing to their desired gender and demographic is going to achieve least proportional success rate due to genetics, that is true.
Put the specific accent in the description
Tyvm for the vote.
Ironically I think my Round 4 had the best flow but other than that I can see your logic and taste.
If you want to see the internal flow and rhyming to the longer lines with the word 'provoke' in them, message me, otherwise fair enough.
I actually believe you are not from US or Canada nor any english speaking nation? The reason I ask is solely to understand the accent and tempo of talking that you hear in your head while reading. A Korean reading English (if you are SK) would see the flow in the areas you said and not at all see it in my longer line because they emphasise vowels and such differently when even doing K-pop rapping etc.
Could you possibly walk me through Lancelot's flow and rhyming let alone how his lyricism is not a 0?
I am genuinely serious. I have tried hard to see what anyone other than FishChaser saw in this battle.
No no, I mean how did Lancelot score anything in rhyme above a 1?
I have tried to read his rap in varying accents and tempos and every Round is a shitshow in rhyming.
I cannot see his rhyming skill at all. He is writing non rhyming text for nearly the entirety of round 4 for example.
Do you have any interest to vote on this possibly? Idc if it is against me.
Do you have any interest to vote on this possibly? Idc if it is against me.
Ty in advance if you vote.
Do you have any interest to vote on this possibly? Idc if it is against me.
Do you have any interest to vote on this possibly? Idc if it is against me.
How did Lancelot get 4 out of 4 rhyme in this?
Like what am I reading? I cannot fathom what accent he rhymes in. Every round it is dogshit rhyme scheme and flow.
How
Could you possibly walk me through the scores you gave and give me examples?
Specifically rhyme?
I am genuinely confused how the final round of Pro even rhymes for the majority of it... I just seriously reread it to see what others see in it and can't believe that even counts as rap LOL
Same with you, please read it all and vote. Thanks in advance, regardless of who you vote.
Out of curiosity does something like this interest you at all to vote on?
I am aware that you tend to like simpler flows and thus Lancelot may be to your taste more in that sense but regardless I encourage you to read it to the end and vote.
I am losing regardless at this point, if you vote for me, so I have nothing to lose requesting this.