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@zedvictor4
Nope. Moderate means centrist locally.
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@zedvictor4
Sure
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@Greyparrot
I just explained why that is.
They vote democrat more assuredly due to their situation, not the other way around.
People who do not feel the system is rigged against them tend to enjoy it remaining unfair.
Unfortunately many poor white farmers are buying into right wing propaganda that says the left is elitist while really the right is. The elites can maintain a chokehold far easier in right wing economics.
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@ebuc
Rats are some of the kindest and most intelligent creatures.
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@Greyparrot
No. The poor and neglected vote against the party that cares for them least.
Alternatively, they abstain.
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@zedvictor4
Ignorance is bliss
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@zedvictor4
America's moderates are as right wing as UK's conservatives, especially in terms of public services for the poor but also in quite a few other ways.
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@bmdrocks21
I mean in terms of Ukranian refugees, I don't think you are correct because they have motive to feel grateful and probably will embrace the culture that saved them, it's similar to Sri Lankan refugees from the civil war, even if they resent the country, they tend to properly integrate and as Sri Lanka is more left-wing than India, they tend to be more likely to lean left especially when they realise it is the left-wing that pushed for them to be allowed to enter the country/countries.
It's also true that even the Somalis, Nigerians, Indians and South Americans and all sorts are tending to lean left when they realise which which has their back but this is the core point of my thread.
Can you imagine if the right-wing had been pro-immigration? The depths of conservatism that would be swarming the Western nations right now would be unfathomable and horrendous for the progressives and liberals. It is in fact the fear and hostility that the right-wing convervatives have towards immigrants that has assisted progressives and liberals to have a safe haven for their views and outlooks yet all most of my side do is demonise and complain about the right-wing of our nations when they're much tamer than the ones we coddle and defend.
Anyone who'd go for the gullet with a catholic, mormon etc arguing over religion should surely be willing to do so with a Muslim if it is a progressive stance they're coming from, yet they have this 'soft spot' for the most misogynistic and homophobic religion of all time... All in fear of being labelled 'islamophobic', you can't even opposed 'Jews' (the religious followers) without being accused of being racist against 'Jews' (the race) because they have the same word and this allows them to always accuse of anti-semitism if you dare debate the religious followers. We are at a stage where values can't be debated or it is called discrimination against the physical race of an ethnicity when all you are challenging are the cultural values.
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@SirAnonymous
This is this guys' 5th account at least and he has posted many conspiracy theories, I dont think it's a bot.
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@ebuc
is that the best you've got? I say they have issues and you say I have, cool.
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@thett3
that's not even a hot take, it's a pitiful display of ignorance and bias. Stay blinkered, we've moved on from your 'old glory ddo days'.
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So far not one single person has been able to tackle the OP, in particular zero left-wingers.
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@ebuc
what percentage of pregnant women who choice were or are sociepathic?
Excluding rape cases, death avoidance and very rare cases of responsible pill taking or condom wearing leading to some sort of contraception failure, most aborting mothers are sociopathic, like easily over 80%.
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@Reece101
I always was. I do not operate with a crybaby attitude.
Life is a miracle, religious or not and it is about time people started to be grateful for their right to live it and defending their fellow human, fetal or birthed.
If you chose to fuck unprotected, pay the price and stop thinking the world revolves around your immediate pleasure.
Women want equality but does the father get equal say in the abortion? It is a reponsibility and a privilege to be the lifebearer, thank the women that birthed us for our existence and curse the mothers that betray their offspring, even if they birthed them.
Scum are scum whether female or male. I resent the average aborting mother as much as (or more than) a drunken man slamming into a vehicle containing a pregnant woman inside. The drunken shitstain is pretty much as irresponsible as she was when creating the life she got rid of. He had less chance of hurting an unborn infant than he/she had of doing so.
I understand why we want abortions legalised, it is a necessary evil to avoid ghettos getting worse but the entire root problem is unbearable inequality and irresponsible decision making due to the stigma against being frigid or a virgin. Fix foster care, fix people's attitudes to virginity and caution in sex and stop this me-me-me mentality for the sluts and the manwhores out there not thinking twice before fucking.
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@Reece101
I will tell you what I admit. What we have on the left are a bunch of punks and bitches that only can pose until the going gets tough.
Is the life gonna be tough for the kid? Kill it. Fuck, that's psychopathic and defeatist as hell.
Fix the foster care system, fix the inequality leading to the terrible lives and upbringings and hell, we'd have an extra body born to back our cause too. That's what's called thinking like winners, that's what the left wing is all about. Only a truly right-wing psychopath should be thinking of eugenics as a solution.
Absolute bullcrap double standard. Rather than provide free contraception to the poor and fixing the disgusting fact that US has no public healthcare just slaughter the fetuses to solve the issue of the poor having unprotected sex... Disgusting!
How far in are they allowing abortions? Roe v Wade had no restrictions outlined at all to protect the wellbeing and rights of the fetus against a sociopathic mother. How is it legal to drink while pregnant and take drugs etc? That should be regarded as full on child abuse and attempted murder even.
I am done with this poser ass shit and can only empathise with an abortion if it was rape or the likelihood to die if giving birth is significant.
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@Reece101
I'm sorry do you feel you are making a good point by some prick finding a particular woman who isn't adoption but is pro-adoption?
That's just ridiculous.
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@zedvictor4
In simple terms....When I was a kid no one was autistic, it was just that people were not all the same.
Nope, when you were a kid, the autistic, adhd and plenty of others were called unruly and disciplined mercilessly until they developed detrimental habits to suppress themselves that made them unhappy and toxic (both to others and themselves).
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@ebuc
And if she did abort is not your choice. Get over it ratman. Your not the boss of the pregnant woman who gave birth to your not the mother once she bore you out into the world.
I am also not the boss of any rapist, murderer, thief, fraud, blackmailer and plenty more kinds of treacherous being.
People have their reasons to do evil acts, I argue simply that it is evil.
You can say 'she could raise it abused' and I can say, she could give the baby up for adoption and/or do her level best to appeal to a church or something to take care of it. At the end of the day there are options, it's up to you to consider what you do with the shit situation god put you in. I don't hate the player and I don't even hate (but sure don't love) the game, however judge the player for their playstyle and decisions, I will.
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@Reece101
na I dont see that...
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@Danielle
Imagine priding yourself on your ability to beat up an elderly PhD holder with your bare hands to prove he is not intellectual...
The levels of nonsense...
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@ebuc
Being dependent on a greater ecosystem and interacting living beings to sustain oneself is not reason to deem on as a non-individual, enslaved property of greater thing.
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@ebuc
The primary reason we owe the mother for the birth is she did NOT abort
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@SirAnonymous
Cool cool, try vsing me then
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@ComputerNerd
When you say Ragnar, you mean Barney now btw.
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@Username1
At farming winrate and rating:
- Oromagi
- Barney
- Ramshutu
- RationalMadman (Benjamin closely behind)
Throw them into any side on any debate:
- Whiteflame
- Barney
- Blamonkey
- RationalMadman (Semperfortis closely behind)
Tournament beasts, with only well-known topics but sides forced:
- Blamonkey
- Benjamin
- Whiteflame
- Barney
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@ComputerNerd
Thanks for the mention ;)
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@3RU7AL
If you would value human rights for a grown adult that broke the law over an innocent fetus, I think your own morality is more questionable myself.
You're the one picking a fight you can't win here, if I were you I'd just back off before looking dumber. Abortion is maybe a necessary evil but to deny what it is either asinine and naive or knowingly disingenuous.
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@3RU7AL
because if the right to fair and merciful treatment is defined by ability, we ought to be sociopathic in other ways as a society too,we already areyou don't see these "pro-lifers" rushing out to provide basic services to the homeless, or prison inmates, or immigrants
I am a progressive and prison inmates have done more to deserve their situation than a fetus has.
Stop strawmanning and relying on hypocrisy to win, start focusing on whether the fetus is a live human being or not.
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Something living should have more rights than something not born yet. The unborn are like the dead, they technically don't exist.
I would not expect anybody to save me over children or babies, I'd actually be fairly horrified if they chose it and live with severe survivor's guilt but I won't deny I'd like having survived.
I'm not an 'old man' yet, when I'm at that age I'd truly hate them for saving me over the youngsters. The younger should be saved over the older.
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@Greyparrot
yes I understood it but felt it was very graphic and obscure to what you were highlighting. That is torture whereas this is relatively painless slaughter (or really it's legalised murder). You are talking about sheer sadism vs sheer apathy.
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@Intelligence_06
fetuses can do nearly nothing in the womb, why is this even an issue?
because if the right to fair and merciful treatment is defined by ability, we ought to be sociopathic in other ways as a society too.
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@Intelligence_06
so in your eyes someone in a coma isn't alive because of dependency?
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@ebuc
And you are an organism of society to be disposed of whenever you inconvenience the wealthy and powerful in it like the mother would her fetus, agreed? :)
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@Intelligence_06
you are just a bunch of cells yourself, punk.
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@badger
Insults do not mask your lack of intellect, they enhance its clarity.
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@rbelivb
@Kritikal
Trump was of course unpopular to the majority of immigrants who are Democrat because he was a Republican
Not true. Immigrants actually empathise with many of the Republican values and platform, they are singularly alienated by them due to the very thing that us progressives owe the right wing for.
In fact back in the OG days, it was indeed progressives who were skeptical to encourage immigration from right-wing conservative cultures. It was progressives who were most concerned with border patrol as the modern West developed.
This is how the so-called 'eugenics' that the rbelicb refers to in the Nordic nations maintained them to be the pristine progressive places that they currently are, with more happiness and fairness in their society than seen in any so-called progressive place prior. We need to see that if you allow immigrants in so readily, they will push you to obey their culture unless you also run integration programs to screen out those that won't conform.
The only cultures and places failing to do this (failing to take an approach of alienating the immigrants that refuse to respect and conform to their culture) are the west so play this over several generations and what you will have is a completely eroded western ethnicity/culture and immigrants shaping what becomes of it with their own cultural values.
What is being seen in the US isn't solely local nationalists pushing for backwards regress, it is actually also a backfiring of enabling the most right-wing cultures on Earth to infiltrate, un-integrated and without a single changed mind and influence platforms, votes and their local community.
These are people from places that are very much in support of the following positions:
- Pro-life
- Anti-LGBT
- Sexism/Patriarchy
- Religiosity, severely resisting hedonism and secular pleasure-seeking liberal activities and ways of life (such as legalising weed, prostitution etc)
- Impoverished-level Capitalism (most immigrate for wealth as in 'a better life', not for values).
fact-check me on their cultures if you think I'm lying.
You cannot say it is solely 'backwards white conservatives' making the shift, these are precisely the values of people of Sharia, South American and many African cultures as well as Eastern European for that matter (the latter will be 'white' perhaps but not Western in their culture and not 2 or even 3 generations native to America).
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@badger
No, there's something called further forwards by removing a fragile law based on faulty reasoning. The Constitution needs a 13th Amendment for abortion if it's to be at the federal level, Roe v Wade was faulty legislation.
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@badger
Ireland banned abortion until recently. Abortion isn't banned in the US but states can now do so within their jurisdiction.
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@Intelligence_06
You don't call a plate of raw beef a cow or anything alive.
You call an unborn bovine fetus in a cow's an unborn calf... Use your head.
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@bmdrocks21
The only salvation is that Trump was so unlikeable to immigrants, that literally saved Dems in 2020 due to the single issue of immigration and attitudes to foreigners.
The immigrants, no doubt, are going to shift US towards the very outcomes the left wing is now in hysterical fear of.
- Pro-life
- Anti-LGBT
- Sexism/Patriarchy
- Religiosity, severely resisting hedonism and secular pleasure-seeking liberal activities and ways of life (such as legalising weed, prostitution etc)
- Impoverished-level Capitalism (most immigrate for wealth as in 'a better life', not for values).
These are the values of every single non-'western' culture at the moment and certainly are significant in particular in the cultures immigrating the most to US.
What I ask is why the progressives and liberals are the ones defending that happening without integration or much restriction. It is literally only because of the harsh right wing attitude that immigrants have been deterred thus far.
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@bmdrocks21
Maybe fearing guns would save schoolchildren and teachers. Maybe it would save poor people in ghettos. Maybe it would reduce lethality of domestic disputes and make suicide harder.
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@bmdrocks21
Integrate those that accept the progressive values.
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@rbelivb
Hahaha, you picked one of the worst people on the website to try your dirty shit with. I am precisely left wing and astute enough to destroy any strawman and fallacious demonisation you can try.
Let's talk about what literal 'ethnic genocide' in your usage of the term is.
'Ethnic genocide' is used correctly by you only if we realise ethnicity not physical.
So when you say genocide of an ethnicity you are using flavorful language to mean a culture defending itself against unwanted pollution from cultures that have direct core value clashes.
If we understand that you mean that let us then see who does it the most.
I would like you to wonder what happens in the long run if all these cultures defend themselves ethnically (and they do, they are all very ethnocentric internally, set foot in their countries as an immigrant and you will be brutally pressured to accept their way of life and held at arm's length as an outsider, the white supremacy in the western world is the normal nationalist and ethnic pride held in other cultures immigrating to the Western countries).
The Indians, the Chinese, the Kenyans, the South Africans, the Brazilians... keep running down the list and you will find extremely ethnic-pride driven nations that would hate you with a passion if you infiltrated their culture and pushed your (in your case based on your profile) Libertarian values onto them, I assume you are white too and secular, that would get you severely outcasted there and you'd find those that accept you would expect full humility and respect to their ways of life which include resenting abortion, LGBT, loudmouth talk (they have zero respect for wild freedom of speech, chat shit get hit is a common value among them) and certainly not ignoring gender roles.
You may find some feminism in some of course but very clearly women are women and men are men there, they'd react with rage if you tried to ever talk their children and teenagers at school or elsewhere into a trans and feminist agenda of ignoring gender and sex splits.
Many of these cultures have brutal Capitalism as a way of life and adore right wing politics with a burning passion, if you were left wing on top of socially liberal, you'd find many levels of despise towards you for your values and alienation until you keeled and respected them.
I am not an armchair theorist here. I know people of many ethnicities, I met them irl and online throughout my life, I will not specify further. My view is not what I was raised into, it is an observation I came to truly based on interacting with ethnicities and studying about victims of Sharia's way of life and even having travelled.
I am left-wing and progressive to the core and I know that the Conservative white locals in our western cultures are overall tame af in their ideology compared to the equivalent innthe very nations that these immigrants are coming from and it is about time we stop demonising and start uniting and negotiating.
Believe what you wish, I know my stance.
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@rbelivb
'Literally genocide'
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@zedvictor4
The UK was extremely Christian until recently but the reason its gun toting gangsters were limited is because it was an island and guns were not affordable for just run of the mill criminals to make it worth.
Then eventually a school shooting happened and that led to a ferocious campaign against guns but for some reason the reaction in US is that the criminals will get guns anyway so then if course one wants to be armed against the criminals.
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@bmdrocks21
I do not think they are evil, I believe they come in with ingrained extreme right wing views and have not had their minds opened yet. In fact many come to the US as it is reputed as a capitalist haven to get rich in (at least they see it that way).
If they stay inside the nation and they and their children influence it, over time the values will shift to social conservatism unless truly active integration is done.
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@rbelivb
If you believe Scandinavia is doing eugenics despite it being among the most genuinely liberal and progressive places on Earth, be my guest and make a fool of yourself.
A nation ensuring the people entering respect its values is not eugenics. Every single country that the aforementioned cultures are, restrict immigration and demand respect to the local culture.
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