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I agree with simulation theory. Not sure how it was trigonometry that got you there though.
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@secularmerlin
Only in the nations that decided to make exceptions to the legal distinction which is still present for all cisgendered people.
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Well noticed. You are finally getting a grip on reality, though comparing America to EU there is like comparing a grade B- student to an A at least or A+ at most depending which EU nation.
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@secularmerlin
I will wait for you to prove to us that there is no legal distinction. Good luck.
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@secularmerlin
A feminine man currently is sent to men's prison if they identify as a man.
Do you really think in prison only masculine people harm feminine ones? It isn't that simple. I do not think for one second you have a single case here, you are just attacking and not defending.
You said there is no legal distinction, I proved even at the core basis of legal enforcement, their indubitably is a distinction.
You didn't ask if I support hardcore prison or Scandinavian reform type punishment. You did not ask me anything other than loaded questions intended to 'gotcha' because that is all your side can do.
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@secularmerlin
Yes buddy, the sperm production does not matter if you are XX or XY.
We can keep tiptoeing the topic or hitting home the truth.
Feminine men are entitled to be that way, they are men. Masculine women are entitled to be that way, they are women.
Transitioning used to mean breaking gender roles, now it means conforming to them so hardcore that you think to be feminine you need to switch your appeared sex, not just gender.
We are at a stage where if I said this IRL around people of the current young generation who got it on record and ensured my employer and colleagues knew about it, I could well be cancelled, fired overnight, marred for life in my career prospects.
This is not how to cure transphobia, this is how to directly play the part of the villain. We cannot fucking discuss things, just cancelled and scared shit to say our thoughts if they offend a sympathised demographic of the time. I do not have a phobia of trans people, I have a concern why a feminine man cannot admit he is a man and why a butch, masculine woman feels the need to go by 'he'. I have a concern why people who hate their natural bodies so much they feel sick inside when looking in the mirror are not taught to love it but to alter their appeared sex (not gender, sex) as a pseudo-solution to the original insecurity at the heart of their fragile psyche.
This is just propaganda on one side vs actual logic from the other.
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@secularmerlin
There is a legal distinction. It is how literal prisons (legal punishment) get split for starters.
That said, some trans have been permitted to be imprisoned with their chosen gender. I do not need to spell out for you what a criminally-minded trans woman is physically capable of doing to a cis-female cellmate, nor how harsh the female prisoners can be with their backlash to the prisoner.
There often isnt a safe place to send them.
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I think it depends on what is being discussed.
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there really isn't any other reason for a straight guy to care how women define themselves.
Who said this topic is specifically how women define themselves? This is also asking how men and genderfluids as well as people too young to be a an adult female, define women.
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If the plan is to help people, yes it is.
If the plan is to specifically get Christian immigrants, no the plans got altered.
Pretty simple answer.
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@3RU7AL
well done buddy, you looked at a dictionary and understand people.
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@Bones
Even when we drop the sex -hardliners definition, we then are left only with sexist heteronormative gender role definition.
In other words, suddenly we realise that there is no definition of 'woman' that doesn't defy the trans movement and only the sex-based definition allows for anti-heteronormative gender attributes to a woman.
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'Bad at'
'Bworse'
Lol. Worse at being bad at censoring? Or?
Worse at censoring?
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I read the main thread of the DART subforum at the moment and am accused of being too nosy by you.
Poly, I have genuinely been kind to you. I do not understand what your issue is with me. If you want to make me somebody who dislikes you, then keep doing so.
Whether I like you or dislike you, I have every right to read a thread and post to someone to stop being mean to you.
You are not the first person I have met with the sort of 'complex' of "do not dare defend me you nosy, pretentious white knight drama queen."
There are actually black people in real life who are toxic to certain white people that try hard to defend and uphold their equal and fair treatment. If one goes out of their way to do this, they can be accused of something dubbed white savior complex and get sardonically mocked for feeling good for doing the good thing.
I have no idea why this form of toxicity exists or what you believe you could possibly gain from being this hostile to me for siding with you. I am not going to stop being a good person just because you can't stand me being it.
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@ILikePie5
I am not sure if you are agreeing with me or mocking me.
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@ILikePie5
Even iI am cringing at Oromagi and Double_R in this thread.
What is the point if oversimping Biden?
2020 was "Trump is worse" everyone knows that who voted Biden except the simps who seem to have fallen in love with whte-knighting a man who on-air, unironically agreed with "Let's go Brandon...."
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I can take two at once. Slot is open, apply within. Can do so on PM.
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@Barney
You are letting yourself slip here. A member being rude to you as a mod does not require you to mock and demean their mental health and emotions.
Take a step back and read what you are writing, ask yourself if it is something Wylted or Whiteflame would write.
Just a thought.
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Every single TheUnderdog thread is like trolling except the troll makes others feel they are trolling him when really he is incapable of detecting the trolling, making the entire thing a double-negative authentic interaction.
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@Nyxified
This means the rates of dissatisfaction would be much worse if we had a control group that did not transition to compare the group that did to (with other treatments being either identical or very similar).
This was completely misworded by me please see above post.
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@Nyxified
I misworded something. I meant I think the dissatisfaction would be worse if we had a group that only transitioned and didnt get simulatenously treated for the other things and on top had a control group that didnt transition to then compare both to and see how much the transition factors.
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@Nyxified
Erm... What scientific reason could there be for that first part? It is pure logic of the hate vs result.
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@zedvictor4
Unless you mean a rare case of emotionally abusive mothers and fathers that raised their child to be the other gender than they are (yes this really has happened), I doubt it is conditioning. It is primarily genetics meeting hormones and certain attitudes and ideas in one's life.
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@3RU7AL
I never mentioned 18, you are discussing a red herring. There are laws being passed in very progressive nations ti allow legally recognising trans people as their transitioned gender on legal, official documentation such as quotas and even their ID, where age would also show.
Please stick to the topic, I will not get distracted by your techniques.
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@zedvictor4
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Please be exact.
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@Nyxified
The difference here is that anorexia and suicide both not only have the potential to kill you, but the logical conclusion of both does not lead to happiness.
Very solid point. What happens is that when it is continually proven that enabling the dysphoria ends in significant rates of sadness, anxiety and other mentally distressing tendencies and/or disorders, the trans community deflects this as being due to transphobic bullying and attitudes, never to the trans person's therapy and recommendation to transition having been insufficiently treated and understood.
Furthermore, often they suffer but not quite as bad as before as they often get simultaneously prescribed meds and therapies for their other mental conditions at the same time as the transition is recommended. This means the rates of dissatisfaction would be much worse if we had a control group that did not transition to compare the group that did to (with other treatments being either identical or very similar).
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@Nyxified
You seem to like to draw this comparison between anorexics, suicidal people, and transgender people. I was both anorexic and suicidal once, both before my transition began.
I am not your psychiatrist or able to respond to something this sensitive without risking personally triggering and hurting you, emotionally. I will not engage in your personal struggle here because I cannot possibly avoid risk of accidentally bullying you as you will be very sensitive about it. I also am not sure how physical your transition is, it is the physical one my gripe is most ardent with.
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@Nyxified
When you can show me the peer-reviewed, scientifically sound studies that shows your method outweighs the current methods of treating gender dysphoria, then we can have a conversation.
Sure, show me it being done, I am not aware of it being done on a large scale and when it is done it is totally confidential and not measured officially. This is not me making an unfair excuse, it is a valid excuse as I cannot provide data on a methodology that has been cancelled before it could arise and evolve.
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@Nyxified
Not at all. It enables the hellish dysphoria's hold on them with an iron vice grip. They now learn they were right to hate their body and sex.Source? I'll give you a dozen that shows the contrary.
I am not saying this to demean you but it is so obvious that barely any source has even mentioned or investigated it. If you encourage a person who loathes their male or female body to artificially mimic the opposite sex (not gender, sorry but it is sexual characteristics and hormones), they end up concluding that they were correct to have hated their original body.
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@3RU7AL
You are thinking only in extremes.
An extreme 100% introvert vs a 100% extrovert follow your stereotypical thinking and value-sourcing.
I am not extremely introverted, I agree with you that I have extraversion within me. Look at me on this website, I regularly interact with others. That said, I need my alone time to recharge and enjoy thinking and relaxing completely on my own. I am a diagnosed aspergers/autistic guy who genuinely thrives working solo but can indeed adapt to teamwork with relative ease.
I know what I am and know I will be an INTP to the day I die (or don't, if somehow I become immortal) whether you believe I am a fellow INTP or not. You are running into this head-first, confirmation-bias-blinkered. If anybody falls outside of what you categorise them as vs what they say they believe, regarding your questions, you instantly tell them they are wrong instead of that your theory may be wrong as it has ignored ranges and variance of the categories in myers briggs and Jung personality typology.
I also put a lot of effort into my reply to your original post and your only reply or further discussion was 'ESTJ' which is a rather S over N response, depth-wise wouldn't you say?
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@zedvictor4
Inherent to what? Acquired from what?
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@cristo71
Well yes but I felt I didn't need to go to that extreme to make the point. There ultimately has to be a stage where it becomes a discussion. Currently, you can't even fucking dare discuss the trans thing without cancel culture burning you.
JK Rowling, a proud feminist, is being turned on by feminists for questioning if trans women are 100% female.
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@Vader
Cut out some of the limitations, cheers.
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@3RU7AL
an I over E would always say one's self-image takes precedence over the opinions of others
Lol. I actually know extremely extroverted people who are so self-assured it's scary and stupid. I equally know really insecure I's who value other's opinons alot.
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@3RU7AL
A proper J wouldn't even use this website or have my insight. nor would an S.
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@3RU7AL
I don't need to justify things to you, armchair psychologist.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Biting the hand... alright.
Suffer as you wish.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Do you love atheists?
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@ILikePie5
Okay I support your thing, it is better than nothing, even theoretically at the very least. If somehow the mods let this through we may be the actual first place (or among them) on the Internet to have actual ways to democratically discipline our mods.
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@TheMorningsStar
Can you give me a non-medical, non-statistics-quota, non-sdx(the act) situation where sex is a priority over gender in the societal split?
Give a few, not one, if they are there.
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@zedvictor4
Very simple for who? Can you ask others that question? Lmao
Inherent to what? Acquired from what?
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@3RU7AL
Shut up with your bullshit LMAO this is not a jung personality test.
I am introverted and extremely N over S, you don't even know me.
I am also more P than J
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@TheMorningsStar
Okay but physiologically the harm is much more severe for teenage boys, by the time girls are 14, most have actually done most of the internal puberty alterations, whereas that is around when boys start to.
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@thett3
Yeah the puberty stopping transition is so bad for MtF. Males hit puberty later, around the ages where the teens are being allowed to use HRT. This is so terrible for them then if they are going to literally never become men but stay boys. Like what the fuck is even happening? That should be considere abuse, not liberation.
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@Double_R
I can think of a blatant fuel... transgenders are not only affecting themselves, they are starting to try to convince teens and young, psychologically vulnerable teens and 20-24 yr old adults to use hormones that actually almost castrate the men who become women (boys even if teens do it and puberty can get inhibited with permanent consequence). Females both experience puberty earlier and do not react in a sterilisation-like manner to testosterone, though their fertility can be affected. Therefore, MtF is the bigger HRT concern for the young.
Pretty concerning, if you see the issue with it.
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@TheMorningsStar
I am gonna first state where I disagree initially, I am genuinely left wing and progressive after all; gender, not sex, is the society's 'split'.
Next point of disagreement is the endgame. I actually back genderqueers (they/them types) and genderfluids and that movement. I support the conservative-hated idea of reducing barriers and trends that separate what a man or woman can do in a socially acceptable way that the other cannot do in a socially acceptable way.
I agree with you fully that the current solution to gender dysphoria completely hypocritically glorifies sex and undervalues sexless gender.
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@coal
One has to wonder what psychological 'void' you are filling by trying to be the class clown around here.
Haaa haaa you make good jokes.
There, some validation for you, ol' coal. :)
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@coal
Or alternatively, we can infer that your total lack of site contribution is due to how much cock you've been pleasing irl, yes?
No wonder you were so angry about the lockdowns.
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@TheMorningsStar
Excellent point about the control group.
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