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@oromagi
Not much else to expect from a country where it's considered a right, as opposed to privilege, to carry a firearm that can murder in one split second decision.

Guns are not a right, they are a privilege for highly trained individuals.
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@ILikePie5
Ignorance is bliss, as they say... Until you type your views as if you've got a clue what active debaters and voters alike experience.

It's like a MEEP on the Mafia games where I talk shit like I know what the active players feel about an aspect of it.
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@DeprecatoryLogistician
Both Pro sides have got balls of steel with the positions they're taking.

Yours seems tougher than mine though but we will see.
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@ILikePie5
And how often do you engage in debating on this website?
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@oromagi
And how many debates did you contribute activity-wise in the last year?
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Normal People?
In the words of Grime God Devlin himself:

I do me and I do it well, you couldn't
Replicate one living cell in my body
Just my fucking self, I'm not sorry
I will never be another carbon copy
You can hear me a mile off with my own individual style
Why would I want to be like any other?
Name in the book that's been compiled
I'm on a next thing I can not be labelled
Placed in a box like jack
You try count me out I come back
Like three, six, nine in vortex math
Any time I've walked the line
The shoes I've worn are mine and that's fact
And will be 'til I'm set free
Don't be them, be a next breed
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@oromagi
  • An auto-loss feature would actually encourage debaters who are merely crunched for time to add a brief note of explanation to the debate, which seems only courteous and would prevent the auto-loss feature from kicking in.
Lol. So, instead of going 'fuck I may be able to finish this last minute let me try later and forfeit if need be' we go 'ahhhhh I lose if I don't actively waive this Round!'

Idc if you personally never feel the stress, you are you and Intel and I speak on behalf of the currently active debaters.
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@oromagi
lol- says the man with more forfeits than any other debater by a very long shot.
that only supports the stance I take. I win even if I forfeit more often than any other debater, that's actually the stat you should mention.
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@Mharman
lmao, imagine it punished forfeits, oh wow less debaters bother, less voters get a chance to be lazy and get some cheap reward and less activity hits the website superficially.
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@DebateArt.com
Lol, forfeits are fine, they are a pleasant way to secure wins against willing participants that are casual.
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Both voters and debaters lose out due to this, I vote no.
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@Yassine
I am not hardcore in my practise of Taoism, Taoism cannot be hardcore due to its very belief im balance. I am also a believer in my own religion that just happemed to have a lot in common with Taoism.

What is it that yoy want to know about Taoism woth regards to this thread?

I am a pagan not just a taoist, I have my own conclusions.
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@Mharman
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@DeprecatoryLogistician
@Incel-chud
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@Reece101
Exactly.
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@Lunatic
Ty for the luck, senpai.
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@Reece101
What makes you think you have not heard of it and dismissed it?
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How much do I know about my belief system?
10/10

How strong is my belief in it?
perhaps 9ish out of 10.
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@Yassine
Well pedophilia will never be added to the western LGBTQ+ but has always been socially acceptable for legal marriage in Islamic cultures until they realised that elsewhere it is considered disgusting and wrong.
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Praise be to Allah.

Firstly: 

It is permissible for a man to arrange a marriage for his young son even if he has not reached puberty; it is also permissible for him to arrange a marriage for his young daughter even if she had not reached the age of puberty. It was narrated that there was consensus on this point, but that is provided that compatibility is taken into account and that a clear and real interest is served by this marriage.

Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The scholars are unanimously agreed that the father may arrange a marriage for his young daughter without consulting her. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married ‘Aa’ishah when she was six years old.

End quote from at-Tamheed, 19/98 
Ismaa‘eel ibn Ishaaq (may Allah have mercy on him) said: 

The father may arrange a marriage for a young (daughter) according to the consensus of the Muslims, and that is binding on her. 
End quote from at-Tamheed, 19/84 
Ibn Shubrumah disagreed with that, as we shall see below. 

Secondly: 

It is not prescribed to arrange a marriage for a young girl unless there is a clear and real interest to be served by doing so. The same applies to young boys, but the ruling is emphasized more with regard to girls because a boy has the power of divorce (talaaq). 

An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: 
It should be noted that ash-Shaafa‘i and his companions said: It is recommended for the father or grandfather not to arrange a marriage for a virgin until she reaches the age of puberty and he seeks her consent, lest she find herself trapped in a marriage that she resents. What they said is not contrary to the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah, because what they meant is that he should not give her in marriage before puberty if there is no clear and real interest to be served by that for which there is the fear that it will be missed by delaying marriage, such as the story of ‘Aa’ishah. In that case (i.e., if there is a clear and real interest to be served) it is recommended not to miss the opportunity to marry that husband, because the father is enjoined to take care of his children’s interests, not to neglect them. 

End quote from Sharh Muslim, 9/206 

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) was of the view that in the case of a girl who has reached the age of nine years it is stipulated that she give consent and he said: This is the view favoured by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, and this is the correct view. 

With regard to the girl who is younger than the age of nine years, he favoured the view that the father does not have the right to arrange a marriage. He narrated from Ibn Shubrumah (may Allah have mercy on him) that he said: It is not permissible to arrange a marriage for a young girl who has not reached the age of puberty, because if we say that that is subject to her consent, her consent does not count (because she is too young to make such decisions), and when she does reach the age of puberty we believe that she should not be forced into a marriage. The Shaykh said: This view is the correct one, that the father should not arrange a marriage for his daughter until she reaches the age of puberty, and when she reaches the age of puberty he should not arrange a marriage unless she gives her consent. 
But if we assume that a man regards this suitor as compatible and he is old, and there is the fear that if he passes away and guardianship of the girl passes to her brothers, they may not take the matter of her marriage seriously and they may arrange her marriage according to their whims and desires, not according to what is in her best interests, and he thinks that it is in her best interests to arrange her marriage to someone who is compatible, there is nothing wrong with that, but she will have the choice when she grows up; if she wishes she may say: I do not agree to this and I do not want it. 

If the matter is like this, then the safest option is not to arrange her marriage and to entrust her to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted. Perhaps now he thinks that this man is compatible but then the man’s situation may change, and perhaps when she reaches the age of marriage Allah will bring her a man who is better than this man, because all things are in the hand of Allah, may He be glorified and exalted.

End quote from ash-Sharh al-Mumti‘, 12/57-59 
The Shaykh also favoured the view that marriage should not be arranged for a boy until he reaches the age of puberty. 

Ash-Sharh al-Mumti‘, 12/53 

With regard to consummation of the marriage with a minor, it does not become permissible by merely drawing up the marriage contract; rather the husband should not consummate the marriage with her until she is able to have intercourse, which is not necessarily at puberty. This is something that varies from one environment and time to another. With regard to that, sharee‘ah pays attention to physical makeup. 

Thirdly: 

From the words of the Muslim fuqaha’ concerning this issue, it is clear that marriage of minors is based on achieving clear and real interests thereby. If marriage of a young girl will serve some very real interest for her, then her guardian may arrange a marriage for her, but if no real interest will be served for her by that, then he does not have the right to arrange a marriage when she is still a minor, until she can choose for herself and give consent. 

That is not a transgression against her rights, as may be said with regard to the trustee’s handling of the orphan’s wealth; it is permissible for him to buy and sell on his behalf without obtaining his consent, if that serve a clear and real interest and is more beneficial for him and his wealth. 

The view concerning young boys is the same as that concerning young girls; it is essential for the guardian to take into consideration what interests may be achieved for the minor thereby. 

This is applicable in all cases in which Islam gives permission to conduct affairs on behalf of another and gives guardianship of another. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:          
                           
If a person has authority to handle the affairs or wealth of another, either as a guardian or by appointment as a proxy, it is not permissible for him to do whatever he wants; he has to choose that which is in (his ward’s) best interests.

End quote from Mukhtasar al-Fataawa al-Masriyyah, 796 

Based on that, one should take the appropriate approach to the emotional aspect of this issue, because choosing the right person for the woman in terms of his character and choosing the right time for arranging this marriage is in fact paying attention to the woman’s natural and emotional needs and inclinations. Emotion here does not refer to love relationships and infatuations that may occur between young men and women; these relationships and ideas are one thing and the reality of life is something else. How many marriages have started with these relationships but soon failed, and how many marriages have started without prior acquaintance between the spouses but Allah created love, compassion, tranquillity and harmony between them, and they continued to live happily together. 

And Allah knows best.
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@Reece101
If you were interested in a flat-earther perspective, it's what we call a glitch in the Matrix's outer barriers.
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@TheUnderdog
 The democrats are being idiots, because they never tell the GOP and their base, "Lower taxes means less government services that your base disproportionally relies on" and as a result, the democrats end up not dominating elections.

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You did it underdog, you cured homelessness. Every thread from you is sheer blissful wisdom, god bless your soul.
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How was it an insult, are you a con artist?
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@Polytheist-Witch
Does it disgust you how many con artists make a living off of fake tarot, fortune-telling, dead-speaking efc rituals and events under the guise of Spiritualism?
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@Polytheist-Witch
I'm not sure why you would say you don't really believe I practice but tell me what your practice is.
Actually, a large reason I avoid debating religion in general is everything gets real personal real fast. I can 'take it' but I don't enjoy dishing out offense to those that can't take it.

You made this thread so I assumed you'd consented to debating the things you posted in it.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Where did I say you were lying?

You called your own religious scripture 

a combination of written folk tales and archaeological study on how to do rituals.
folk tales are generally fiction and achaeological study is about recovering past events of living creatures (especially humans) but not really about god(s) that I know of. You can study ancient tradition and religious beliefs but that has little to do with a genuine teaching, regarding god, that followers can take in as a revealing truth.
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@Athias
at this point I am reminded why I blocked you.
You block everyone; your standards aren't much to speak of.
Except I don't, it's just those that I block certainly include those that can be whiny and obnoxious which is often the very reason I blocked them. Consequently, they make it seem like far more of an issue than it is and wider spread than it is as they're the loudest.
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@Athias
Alright, you're clearly very confused about what you're stating/claiming and what reality itself is.
You're gaslighting--figuratively.
and so are you, figuratively. All you do is twist my words and say nonsense like 'receipt'.
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@Athias
I literally said I'm part of the minority earlier on so idk what receipt you want. That said, I don't consider myself fully Theistic, I'm more deistic (my god doesn't care, not just me).
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Also, the first youtube result regarding 'what is taoism' is completely wrong when it calls it an organised religion. In fact, Taoism is one of the only theological groups where there's no equivalent to priest, only some sort of thing like a monk (but they tend to grow long hair instead of being bald kind of like Sikhs but not as extremely against trimming).

There is no 'official' figure in Taoism because that fundamentally runs against it. You are just as entitled to be the highest 'bishop' or 'imam' equivalent in Taoism as another practitioner. The same would be true if I founded my own religion which is sort of an evolution of Taoism with a more elaborate physical explanation of reality and the yin-yang is four-ways in my religion with a red vs blue dichotomy on top of the black vs white. If you studied my religion and came out an expert at it, go ahead and claim yourself an expert equal to me, nobody is less entitled to do that however equally everybody is entitled to question your authority.
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@Polytheist-Witch
The fact you call them folk tales, already hints at me that you aren't a 'true believer' but maybe we use the term 'folk tale' differently.

Can you explain the rules and criteria that one must adhere to, as well as perhaps traditions, in order to be 'in the religion' as opposed to just saying they are? This tends to be more difficult, the less organised that the religion is.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Who are the official authorities or clergy regarding Heathenism and secondly, Spiritualism?
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To me, organised religions are religions that fundamentally run on keeping the converted inside the religion by peer pressure, converting others (this varies per religion and sect in how fervently it's done) and finally, having certain authorities and scriptures that define the religion in an official sense.

If your religion has only the core scripture and thesis but not the other elements, I (and many) consider it a non-organised theological outlook. Taoism comes under that as do any Pagan views I hold on the side of it.
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@Polytheist-Witch
To me, organised religions are religions that fundamentally run on keeping the converted inside the religion by peer pressure, converting others (this varies per religion and sect in how fervently it's done) and finally, having certain authorities and scriptures that define the religion in an official sense.

If your religion has only the core scripture and thesis but not the other elements, I (and many) consider it a non-organised theological outlook. Taoism comes under that as do any Pagan views I hold on the side of it.
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@Athias
Well, you're one of them, if you wanted me to name one specifically. I've only ever seen you arbitrarily play some circular logic around 'a god' but never once seen you argue beyond that for your religious outlook or ethics etc.

The reason I personally avoid it for my own beliefs is I genuinely don't give a shit if others don't realise it, I may release a book when I'm an old or older-middle-age guy. Right now, where I am in life, publishing something with all my beliefs etc is just not worth the drama and backlash it could get, I'd rather do it when I am too old to give a fuck.

I would also say that my view of god is rather devoid of morality. I think God is amoral, sociopathically acting on whims, so there's very little need or moral urgency for me to convert others as there is no 'heaven vs hell' dynamic though realising what I realised did make my own life less of a confusing hell regarding my own existence and certain life decisions where ethics came into it.
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@Athias
Alright, you're clearly very confused about what you're stating/claiming and what reality itself is. Either you are playing mind games with me or I am forced to point out your own insanity, at this point I am reminded why I blocked you. You just type things and don't realise that sometimes what seems to make sense to you has zero impact at all on reality.

To prove this, can you explain why you named only 2 of the 4 I named and called them 'entertainers' and 'cartoons'?
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@Polytheist-Witch
Two organized religions are organized religions.
Sorry, you consider 'heathenism' and 'spiritualism' to be organised religions?
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@Athias
Have you encountered many theists here who are "wisely afraid" to voice their opinions on the subject of religion or atheism?
Plenty if you mean debating it and actually engaging the atheists on the matter, yes, don't wanna name them all though.
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@Athias
but does that apply to the "majority" of theists, here?
Yeah, it does?... Lol?
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@Athias
You're not some smart guy shitting on clowns, you're the clown shitting on world-renowned intellectuals right now and going as far to say it's not your opinion but a 'fact' that they're 'cartoons'.

In fact, when it comes to debating, you named the 2 best at it out of the four and classified them as 'cartoons'. Sam Harris and Daniel Dennett are no more debate specialists than Hitchens and Dawkins are.
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@Polytheist-Witch
 Heathenism and Spiritualism
As I said, you're a 'super special' Theist yourself, so I'm not sure why you pool yourself in with what the type who want to spar with atheists in debate are (the Abrahamic religions specifically but also other established organised religions perhaps).
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@Athias
Majority, not entirety, sure yeah I know that but she was clearly asking where Theists turn up to debate atheists and the answer is they consistently (for the majority) don't, they're afraid to (wisely afraid).
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@Polytheist-Witch
 Atheist do not make personal jabs against people regarding their religion they make personal jobs against people for being theist.
They do both and also can be polite, not all atheists are the same nor at all Theists.
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@Polytheist-Witch
And those two religions don't contradict each other? Which ones?
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@Polytheist-Witch
A belief in God is a belief in God has nothing to do with religion to them. 
Well that's just sophistry then, it means when the atheist proves contradiction and implausibility in the god of their religion, they can say 'but I believe in a different god even though I say I support that religion'.
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@Polytheist-Witch
As a 'super special' Theist yourself, I'm not sure what your accusation is.
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@Athias
I suspect the reason some theists may avoid atheistic/secular forums is that they're prone to debate atheists on their terms--like engaging a fencer on a piste. However, turn that piste into an octagon, and one can easily dodge getting "murked."
Exactly. Atheists can fare well in both arenas, Theists only in the one where enough of the crowd cheer and support them (obviously not all, I even believe in a deity myself but I am talking about arguing for organised religion).
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@Athias
Cartoon is signing up to a tournament, being the one to suggest the topic, forfeiting before your opponent even uttered a word due to 'characer limitations' despite having 5k-7k more characters to type your argument out than the other debate pairs had (Wylted vs Benjamin only had 8 chars per Round, you had 15k) and thinking you have some fucking right to call intellectual debate masters like Hitchens and Dawkins 'cartoons'.
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@Polytheist-Witch
If an atheist showed up to Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Daniel Dennet (in their prime) for a debate, they'd get bodied so hard they wouldn't know what they'd walked into. You can hate the player but at least appreciate their skill at the game. 

The reason why Theists stay away from science and atheistic/secular forums is that they get murked when they try to debate.
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@zedvictor4
I have opposed Wylted's approach to trolling for a long while now. He is out to annoy and offend and gets off on it. I literally don't know if it's true or not but he couldn't have done this many things and genuinely not be in prison so I doubt they're all true, one of these stories may be true though.
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