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@airmax1227
Can you release an official, direct statement about whether you support or condemn Lunatic's conduct in how he's campaigned against your opposition and behaved throughout this phase of pre-election?
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@Lunatic
I brought your name up because you are genuinely the single user ruining Airmax's campaign.
You just don't see it. Even his opposition aren't doing as good a job as you are in making Airmax seem like an asshole.
Airmax has to either condemn your actions more directly (not indirectly) or people will associate him with your thug-like conduct of bullying voters into voting him and other insulting, disrespectful behaviours throughout the election.
You are a very irresponsible person to be so avidly behind Airmax, it's actually hurting his image. I'm not about to stay silent about it and I don't think you're actually taking in what I'm saying and considering it could be correct.
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@Lunatic
If this is a joke, I don't find it funny and neither will most voters, it is a very irresponsible way to handle a homeless person seeking drugs and alcohol and perhaps is proof he is too laissez-faire.
In his benefit, his main opponent wants to not use the President's powers much at all. So we have two candidates (even hammer as a third) with vague af campaigns with regards to when they think it's correct for mods to discipline users.
I'd advise Airmax to make it clearer when he thinks it's right.
He did permanently ban me from DDO and wasn't always lenient to others either, so he does have beliefs surrounding discipline that aren't entirely laissez-faire.
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@Lunatic
We aren't having an argument here, we actually want the same candidate to win. Our bickering hurts Airmax overall. You are pretty immature about this whole thing to be frank and if he loses, it's genuinely you to blame. Had you not started shit with me here, my voters wouldn't be saying things like I got set up or wondering why Airmax's main supporter is being such a dick to the guy who dropped out to endorse him.
You are too toxic of a personality to even comprehend we're on the same side right now, that's the absolute truth of it.
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@Lunatic
You don't get to choose what you're seen as or how voters associate you with others.
Had Oromagi or ZedVictor or somebody else acted like you are while avidly supporting me, people would turn away from me as a candidate as well.
If you are curious what I mean by 'acting', let me highlight three things you do in 4/5 replies that you make to people:
- Undermine their experience (as stated by them)
- Tell them they know nothing that they think they're sure of
- Rewrite what they wrote to make them look and feel bad about themselves
- Add insulted on top
It is quite ironic indeed that you say I gaslight regularly.
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@Athias
I want to thank you and 3RU7AL for not dropping out, it let me get out of this acidic drama pool and able to help a candidate I think is best for the website (Airmax1227).
I think your cause is basically like saying you won't use the President's seat of power for anything it can do but to each their own.
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That's actually irresponsible, I would buy the man food and many a toothbrush and toothpaste, as well as water.
You give them alcohol and money for drugs and they will definitely act on it and ruin their bodies and minds.
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@Lunatic
@Wylted
@ILikePie5
@airmax1227
@Mikal
This is a game for pussies and cowards, if you have a real opinion then say it to my face.
RM dropped out because he couldn't win and wanted to make himself seem like the bigger man
I probably would lose, you are right.
I could choose to drop out and endorse airmax or drop out and endorse 3RU7AL.
I didn't try and make myself seem like the 'bigger man', I was already considering dropping out before Wylted had announced his drop-out.
People are assuming things because they have this idea that there is a 'bigger man' or 'noble cause'. Wylted isn't the bigger man either even if he could have won. Wylted and I both dropped out for the same reasons, we are smart enough to know that if Airmax runs the website pushing for its popularity that's a better hope than either of us in the President's seat can give to its success.
You are all bitter and spiteful over nothing, there is no deception going on.
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@Athias
@FLRW
Well, considering how Lunatic is acting it wouldn't surprise me if enough voters got alienated to not want to vote Max.
I will be voting Airmax regardless but I will fully understand if 3RU7AL wins.
I can tell you this much, I want the site to get more popular than it currently is and would vote essentially anybody on the website to achieve that goal.
I also believe if I ran that I would be taking voters from the eventual winner, which I predict would have been Airmax but could indeed have been 3RU7AL (though I doubt it and that strawpoll had many of my voters not participate).
If Airmax believes he needs to win the presidency in order to spread awareness of the website far and wide on the Internet, it's something worth doing in my opinion as he has proven long ago that he is capable of something like this with debate.org.
I don't know what he will achieve, I am not vouching for his trustworthiness but I am saying that the opponent is not going to spread DART far and wide and the most I could do is help DART appear less 'hideous' in its topics and posts.
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@Lunatic
You use this word gaslighting but this is genuine 100% gaslighting what a clash is from one's perspective by replying the following:
You and him don't "Clash" because airmax doesn't hate you the way you hate him. This unbridled rage you carry stems from you only. This isn't some rivarly between the two of you. It's literally just you with a hate boner against him. I get it. I feel that way towards pie currently, I am not above it either. Carry that hate and rage against Max all you want. At least you gave him the chance to prove you wrong and show you that he will be a fantastic president and will do great things for the website.
You are an armchair psychologist and don't understand what a clash is. You don't even have to hate someone to clash with them. I don't hate max, I do feel something called dislike for him.
If I hated Max I wouldn't drop out here and endorse him.
I actually hate you though, I didn't before this election and genuinely was grateful to you for defending me back when I got banned but the way you've carried yourself here is a series of totally and utterly being a bitter-ass guy to me and even Pie too. You undermine people's emotions and ability to decide for themselves what they feel and how they think. You literally quote someone saying something and tell them they are wrong to feel that because they don't feel what they feel, that's as dumb-sounding as it is in reality when you carry it out and is a quintessential part of gaslighting, which you have no clue what it is.
Anyways, now I can happily block you, don't need you ever @ing me on any platform. You are a nasty person, I mean that sincerely and I hope you look at yourself in the mirror one day and question how you treat others.
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@TheHammer
@Lunatic
@Wylted
@airmax1227
@Mikal
Airmax has made plenty of posts on DDO, and this site is an extension of DDO.
Get your head out of the sand and realise this is its own website and if somebody had ignored DDO for 3.5 years while it dwindled to this level of activity, I'd say the same shit about them too.
He ditched this website until he got wind of some power to attain. I find it petty and ridiculous, I don't see why I can't be 'salty' over that because that is what I'm 'salty' about.
I think it's absolutely asinine the reason he came back here. You want freedom of speech, right? I think he is an egotistical, manipulative guy who happens to also have respect from you DDO guys and will make this website flourish with activity all because we hand him a President title. I find it amusing, silly and cute. Am I salty about losing to him? A little, yes I am.
You can 'rub it in' all you want, I don't have shame in the saltiness nor does it in any way reduce what I did.
3RU7AL was running and is gaining support as people who supported Wylted are skeptical of Airmax. I could have spitefully talked my voters into voting for 3RU7AL and made this really 50/50. I even got good reasons to vote against Airmax but why the fuck would I do that when I value this website's success above my ego and 'saltiness'?
You have preconceptions about me based, very ironically, on depictions Airmax, Bench and others gave you. I'm actually a genuinely good person and I'm so sick and tired of not being able to say 'I am a good person' without being called a victim player or this and that to justify other shit I did to handle a villain or two.
I am nasty at times, everybody is and I tend to save my nastiness for people who make me feel really bad or make others feel really bad. Airmax was nasty and manipulative to me in the past and I forgive him. You seem to think I have forgotten what he did or feel less bad about losing to somebody like him or that we magically 'changed oh so much' over X or Y amount of years.
I don't think he's changed that much, I don't see it. I think I have though and I get why he found me toxic, even though he was so lenient on other toxic members who said way worse shit than I did.
What is it you want? I dropped out and endorsed him instead of 3RU7AL, just let go of your petty stuff with me and in the future don't dox someone's discord chats without their consent.
I can say this now because I got no agenda to win that you can say it's based on. What you did was morally wrong. Consent is the basis of all moral acts except ones that save the person or expose some significant evil they did. I don't show screenshots of you elsewhere or wouldn't if I could. I don't care what you did though as that chat is important as I believe people need to learn about Sacha Baron Cohen and what he did to that Romanian village, it's so disgustingly morally wrong. I got no shame in the level of offense I take to what he did.
I am not salty I lost, I'm salty that a guy can do as little as him for this website to last this long activity-wise and stroll in an win an election. I'm salty he can do that, admit he needs that ego rush to win and still people will vote for him.
I am salty that people like 3RU7AL can't drop out for a blatanty more adept member to negotiate on their behalf, whether it be myself, Wylted or now Airmax and realise their own strengths and weaknesses but I don't feel salty about the fact that I played a significant role in somehow chain-reacting Airmax's return.
I don't like Airmax, I think he's a manipulative guy with traits/values that clash very much with mine (he's very tactful where I'm very blunt, he's very dispassionate where I burn with emotions so on and so forth). He likes who he thinks I am, he forgot that the real me and real him met in PMs on DDO, we've had proper hangout chats and been amicable despite him not respecting me enough to ever unban me, knowing full well I'd earned it. I don't resent him, I know that he and I clash so much because we work so differently as people. I know that I can't be his friend and he should learn that he can't be mine, we just don't gel (I don't gel well with many people anyway but him, I really just don't).
I respect Airmax, I don't like him. There is a difference and the latter doesn't change the former being absolutely genuine.
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@Lunatic
Yes and you think Pie is a backstabber for not voting for a guy who has made no posts on the website for years and endorsing me after Wylted dropped out.
You read too much into things.
Do you want to know what's egotistical? Airmax needing some authority and title to finally give a shit about this website's success. I find that is really pathetic and egotistical but I also know he may be the last hope we need.
So if you're going to go around insulting me and insinuating things, I can do it too.
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@Lunatic
It is not a conspiracy theory at all. It's appreciating how big a role I myself played, and also that Wylted himself played in saving this website by a happy chain of unexpected events.
Sheer fate/god/luck
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@Lunatic
Are you saying that Mikal is the owner of this website?
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@Lunatic
I stand by these statements but replace Lunatic with Mikal
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@Lunatic
Then I stand by my statements but I replace 'Lunatic' with 'Mikal'.
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@Lunatic
When precisely did you contact Airmax1227 and why?
For instance, had everything run accordingly, I was likely to run uncontested by the election time. It got extended an entire month and I am curious when it is that you contact Airmax.
I predict that you only contacted him when you felt worried about the election's outcome and wanted somebody everybody from DDO could rally behind, to secure a win. Otherwise, why did you wait and only contact him later into the campaigning stage?
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I'll tell you what takes zero thought or originality... Tribalism and egocentrism, 'me and my kind are better than the rest of you and deserve this reward for being linked to me'.
We say we aren't just barbaric animals and people like yourself (I'm presuming you're a hardcore Christian) even deny we are primates that evolved alongside apes. On the other hand, we live a life of such unfair and barbaric favouritism and then pretend it's okay.
Sure, it's okay. What do I care anyway? The rich got dilemmas too, just not the dilemma of how they're gonna feed themselves or pay rent.
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@thett3
@ResurgetExFavilla
Yes, yes so the children of the rich are just getting a personal very important brutal boost that's unearned and the children of the poor get... Next to nothing because that's earned too.
It's a sick and twisted thing, when you really think about it.
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@sui_generis
just what it says on the tin… basically wanna know why neoplatonic emanationism fell out of vogue. why did the gnostic view of reality as a corrupted Nous or whatever stop being a serious cosmological / metaphysical position among academic philosophersand because I Know there's more than just what's right in front of my eyes.
It's called Christian conquering and Islamic conquering in case you thought it was a mystery...
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@Wylted
The weirdest part of it all is that had Supadudz not been busy (so that the election process extended much further), had I not been so much of a threat to make Lunatic afraid of me winning and had you not simultaneously been taking the place of Pie, so as to drive you to bring the DDO guys back to the election, Airmax wouldn't have been notified or wanted the website to grow.
It's sad that he only bothers now, after all this time when he didn't give a damn about the site thriving. We have been using the website even funding it on your and Lunatic's part more than me, from the start.
I am hoping the popularity will lead to people contributing the Patreon.
I'm also curious when either Coal or Airmax reveals that they were Mike (the admin account debateart.com) all along but that may never happen.
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@Wylted
Exactly, capitalism that's uncontrolled is self-defeating after all. In such nations, you can't even truly trust the police, you are better off hiring a security firm if you can afford it.
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@Mikal
It's why free market systems can work well.
The freer the market the less developed the nation, generally.
A country like Nigeria has one of the freest markets on the planet, as does Bangladesh.
Not gonna debate anymore anyway, just think your analogy was weak but you and I have very different political outlooks.
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@airmax1227
Good luck on getting us popular, make DART proud.
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@Vader
@whiteflame
Please lock this thread, my campaign is now ceased.
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@Wylted
@ILikePie5
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Reece101
@Intelligence_06
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@Polytheist-Witch
@Outplayz
@oromagi
@FLRW
@Lunar108
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I drop out, officially.
I endorse Airmax1227, semi-regrettably and want to say the full reasoning why you (my solid support base) and even you (my extended support base who are bit 'maybe, maybe not') should vote Airmax1227 this election.
The President role really is useful for 2 things:
- Stopping mod abuse
- Officially holding site events
At first, I was really skeptical about his return, why did he come back now right? Just to win?
And yeah, if you ask me he kind of did, he has a 'thing' for being in power on an Internet Fiefdom perhaps.
Then, I ask myself what happens if he gets into the President's seat? Honestly, it doesn't matter to me that he's there, the President has only 2 functions and I feel he'd do function 2 with events quite well given his latest promises in the thread he just made.
So, I am left wondering now, what good would happen if I won? The DDO guys will get upset, leave and say 'fuck you RM'. How does that benefit the website? The whole reason I ran was to make it alive. The reason I think it's dead is that so many threads and posts are so toxic and undermoderated that it becomes a horrible wasteland appearing unpleasant for others to join but if Airmax can counteract that by spreading awareness of this website far and wide, then I'm all for it.
The only thing I don't get is why he never did that for the past 3.5 years, why did he ditch us until power came his way like blood to a shark's nose?
If you ask me, there is a blatant power thing for him, even an ego thing and if you properly read the fine-print in the Presidency even though it says 'more than 1 successful term' it's actually 2-term limit, not a 1-term limit because that's a criteria stopping you running for site president, not a criteria overall (so 1+1 = 2 duh) and we're looking at 2-year President here.
I need to accept the reality that my supporters do like me, I chatted with a few of them privately about me dropping out and they were disheartened. It wasn't campaigning, I didn't break a rule, it was a genuine question. I will like to say that 3RU7AL doesn't deserve to win a Presidency election against either myself or Airmax1227, it's not a position for someone as socially uninvolved as them (profile doesn't specify gender, so using 'them' pronoun). 3RU7AL is a fine user of the website but wouldn't properly do either function, especially not function 2.
To my supporters, I want you to know that I have remembered all of you, by username. I know you would have stuck by me through to my defeat or victory and I owe you even though I dropped out.
To name the ones that I mean:
Oromagi, Zedvictor4, Intelligence_06, Outplayz, Polytheist-Witch, Lunar108, FLRW and I kind of presume Reece101 was a supporter as well.
If I left your name out, I totally get if you're offended and am truly sorry!
I also appreciate EtrnlVw and Lemming for implied support though it was just asking me about what I'd do or certain things about me, allowing me to further advocate for myself.
I also want to thank IlikePie5 for being an honest opponent who ended up screwed over by several events during this, I'm not going to name names as honestly Airmax himself is to blame for Wylted dropping out, despite Pie having himself dropped out due to Wylted running.
Do not vote Hammer (I frankly think it's a joke campaign) and do not vote 3RU7AL.
Please listen to me, my supporters and vote for Airmax1227. It will be a genuine benefit to the website even if he is a little power-hungry.
Thank you all, this was a wonderful event that made me thrilled and perhaps a little anxious but certainly stimulated throughout.
Yours faithfully
~ex-candidate RM~
Vote Airmax1227
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@airmax1227
Unlike on many other platforms, those that want to advocate controversial views are challenged, and after some time get discouraged by being forced to defend their views and finding a lack of supporters.
Actually the very opposite occurred and a user named Mesmer found 2-3 dedicated upvoting supporters.
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@airmax1227
It's not a concern that you share because you barely posted anything on either debate website. Also, why would you need to be the site president in order to push for its popularity? You have had 3.5 years to do that same thing right?
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Wylted can you please unblock me, I'd like to talk. There isn't something sinister behind this.
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@3RU7AL
I don't agree that's an issue. If you're with a person you don't get along with, there's no need to force yourself to live through hell. It's not even better for the children.
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This gotta be one of the funniest things I read! The Ottomans gave complete autonomy to the Christians (& others) under their rule. They had their own territories, their own laws, their own courts, & even managed their own budgets. They appointed Byzantine heirs to high-offices, admirals, grand viziers & governors. They reinstated the Orthodox Christian patriarch after being banished by the Byzantines, then into newly designated positions in empire's cabinet, along with the patriarchs of other churches & the jews. They brought in Catholics, Maronites, Armenians & Jews to Istanbul & assigned neighborhoods & churches (formerly Orthodox) for them... That said, the Ottomans were even less tolerant than the Abbasids or the Umayyads... The Abbasids even saw Christian grand viziers, that's the highest position in the empire under the Caliph. After 13 centuries of Islamic rule of the Middle East, native Christianity went down only 60%, because their faith was protected & their culture preserved. In contrast, indigenous religions in Africa shrunk more that under a measly few decades of Christian rule of Africa, even worse in the America. Stop projecting your disgusting History into ours.
I am open to be educated on this, please can you contrast Christian African nations vs Islamic ones and explain how the Islamic led with a lighter or friendlier methodology? I am willing to be proven wrong.
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@thett3
We are all descended from people and organisms who WON in the competition for resources and mates etc.
Won a competition that is very unfair.
Starts in lives, ways others treat us during that life and so much about life is totally unfair and different on all of us vs others. Some get it all way easier than others do.
Due to monogamy being normalised, the competiton isn't even genuine anymore. It's even more unfair as those who get their first or are more socially acceptable get to conceive and raise while those lower on the superficial food chain or who turn up later get much less competing power.
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The idea that suddenly Dart goes from a relatively unknown platform to the next Facebook of course sounds ludicrous, especially with the limited explanation, but that's what we are shooting for (in term of reach, not platform dynamics). So keep that in mind as you read the following.
This sounds like a terrifying idea, if we're that famous people better start thinking twice about any debate they have here.
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@Lunatic
@thett3
@Vader
@ILikePie5
@Mikal
Imagine that everything you debated and typed in the forums and debates became associated with you across YT and Twitch and basically the whole Internet. Would that not increase, as opposed to decrease, the power of 'cancel culture' on you here?
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@airmax1227
Do you think it can be dangerous for some of us who have made posts here about certain religions and views, for use to get very famous for it on Twitch and YT?
Aren't you actually going to increase the power of cancel culture here by what you plan to do?
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@airmax1227
Will you defend members from unfair censorship, if they have moral values you find repugnant?And let's say the defense would be you having to defend their right to argue in favor of something disgusting. For example.1. A user hates women and posts a bunch of arguments arguing they are inferior in some way. They are then banned for hate speech. Will you defend them? Let's leave out examples of mere proselytizing and promoting hate, those probably should be banned, but just focus on making arguments.2. How will you help a user whose posts provide good arguments for an ignorant position, but say supa locks the thread because it could result in a heated debate on a debate site.
Are you capable of proving your ability to use discretion. The ability to use discretion is important to a working relationship. Let's say you earn whiteflames trust and he starts leaning heavy on you as an advocate for users he interacts with less than you.A lot of those conversations may be very private and ugly facts about users could come out that was only the privy of mods. Say whiteflame concludes a particular case of harassment is not harassment and the user should go unpunished. You guys fight hard over it and he basically says "fuck you, not banning the harasser " . Your only two options are1. Drop your argument and let the harasser get away with itOr2. Air your personal grievances with whiteflame publicly and break his trust and ruin the relationship necessary for a working relationship.Will you and can you be trusted to take option 1.
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@airmax1227
- Will you actually be active all year long?
- What would you have done when Ragnar banned me in Sept 2020?
- What is your outlook on white supremacy being advocated for (or sexism and homophobia)
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Just so that people are aware, you are not actually electing the winner yet, you're nominating and the top 3 nominees then make it into the general election stage.
What's about to come up is a nomination, not the actual election.
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- Dude, you do that to your own people, let alone others. Vast amounts of Native children systematically kidnapped to be "civilized" & christianized, countless of them died in the process. The essential cause of most Colonial powers was to spread Christianity & "civilize" the world *cough* enslave *cough* pillage... Virtually the entire native population of the Americas was compelled to Christianity through coercion or missions aimed at systematically erasing native religions & languages. Much of the population of Subsaharan Africa went from indigenous religions to Christianity in half a century, an unprecedented event in human history, under extensive oppression & bloody persecution, with systematic desecration of their temples & sanctities. In Chad, hundreds of Islamic scholars were invited to "discuss" religion, they were summerly massacred after they gathered in one place. They destroyed all their madrasas & burned their libraries, thereafter Africans were only allowed in European schools if they adopt Christianity. The Spanish massacred 7 million & expelled another million in their effort to Christianize Muslim Spain. More than 5 million Muslims were massacred or expelled from Greece if they did not convert to Christianity, their mosques turned into barns & houses burned. In Algeria, a third of the population was genocided in a mission to "civilize" the country, after which the French archbishop celebrated in Paris the 'victory of Christianity over Islam' in a great ceremony. In China, the rise of Christianity was followed by a wide scale persecution of native Chinese & one of the greatest rebellions in Chinese History, against the Qin dynasty, which led to 100 million deaths. I could go on & on & on. ... "fact check-me" LMAO! Not because you stick your head in the sand does that mean everyone else can not see... You people are completely oblivious to the immense destruction & suffering your countries cause the rest of the World. Your denial is not gunna change History.
LMAO! That's exactly what they did literally everywhere they went. Have you ever opened a History book? LOL!
I can tell you what I am fully aware of.
Unlike the Masai in Kenya which were never force into Christianity, the native tribes in Tanzania and Nigeria (in the Islamic part of Nigeria) had to bow down and conform to Islam. More importantly, there are basically 0 places the Brits colonised where native tribes have been totally destroyed of their native sacred sculptures and such. Hinduism in India was in fact made by the Brits, uniting Shaivism with Vaishnavism to reduce internal conflict and even fusing Pagan religions in with it too.
Can you give me examples of the British destroying native scultptures and blackmailing the population into Christianity as opposed to merley introducing it?
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This gotta be one of the funniest things I read! The Ottomans gave complete autonomy to the Christians (& others) under their rule. They had their own territories, their own laws, their own courts, & even managed their own budgets. They appointed Byzantine heirs to high-offices, admirals, grand viziers & governors. They reinstated the Orthodox Christian patriarch after being banished by the Byzantines, then into newly designated positions in empire's cabinet, along with the patriarchs of other churches & the jews. They brought in Catholics, Maronites, Armenians & Jews to Istanbul & assigned neighborhoods & churches (formerly Orthodox) for them... That said, the Ottomans were even less tolerant than the Abbasids or the Umayyads... The Abbasids even saw Christian grand viziers, that's the highest position in the empire under the Caliph. After 13 centuries of Islamic rule of the Middle East, native Christianity went down only 60%, because their faith was protected & their culture preserved. In contrast, indigenous religions in Africa shrunk more that under a measly few decades of Christian rule of Africa, even worse in the America. Stop projecting your disgusting History into ours.
Let's focus on this primarily as this is the most wrong.
I encourage you to understand the methods used.
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@airmax1227
As President, your role is to stop the mods abusing their power, how are you better than me for that job?
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@airmax1227
As President, your role is to stop the mods abusing their power, how are you better than me for that job?
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@thett3
She isn't still banned, I got it wrong but originally she said they suspended her account and told her it was indefinite.
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Nobody should believe Airmax.
He will smile to your face and lie. These promises are all intentionally vague so that you are confused and just 'feel good' reading them.
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He was banned because he was going to vote for me.
#conspiracy
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After some research I am not certain his campaign is even real/sincere and I think he's just here for lols.
Therefore full steam ahead with my campaign, not dropping out.
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