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@Lunatic
Also your statements seem to support that you want more enforcement rather than less. For example:"The mods would need to almost be 'too heavy handed' at first with how many ROs they set out.""On top of ROs, I think there needs to be a lot of active intervention, locking of threads etc."These are the types of statements that worry me about mod intervention. That and I have argued with you in the past in concern with wylted's ban, which you were a supporter of.
That was very specific to the religion forums.
We will see what happens there if I become president but I will admit since BrotherD's ban things have gotten tamer there and since I helped Polytheist Witch seek moderation assistance with a situation, you will find things even more peaceful there.
I am not calling out Poly here, I am actually pointing out something deeper. If two users are bickering constantly, especially if one feels continually victimised, it's better to intervene and push for them reducing contact. The entire atmosphere surrounding their presence in a thread becomes more harmonious too.
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@Lunatic
"If rules are not enforced on the initial abuser, the victim ends up with no outlets to feel safe other than complete retreat or retaliation." You said this recently. Based on your reaction to my defense of Sacha Baron Cohen, hypothetically if that conversation took place here and not on discord, you could advocate a warning to me because my opinion is "too controversial" or "abusive". You are the president, which means you have a role in deciding what is abusive. I don't think members should be warned, much less banned because they have controversial opinions.
No, you are lying or accidentally misconstruing now.
I'd think 'I really dislike Lunatic at this moment in time but technically he didn't really break any rules and hasn't harassed me further post-block'. There'd be no punishment at all for what you did or said.
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@Lunatic
That is not the reason why, it is the way you did it and I disengaged with you as you said one should do.
I owe you no completion of a debate whatsover when I am doing it as a hobby and not a job, you're just so upset I blocked you so I wonder who the fragile one is.
I blocked you and moved on with life, unblocked you when I wanted to as well. That's real freedom actually and has nothing to do with banning.
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As a mother she has priority rights over the father -including custody. She is exempt from participating in defense... etc. No such privileges are accorded to women in the West!
Don't these 'rights' sound like they're sexist against men too then?
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You have it backwards. Feminism is the objectification, sexualization & capitalization of women. Don't tell me you are a feminist?
Of course I am a feminist. I am an egalitarian, also support Men's Rights Activism.
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5. Women who are otherwise -disloyal & disobedient- then advise & remind them [the period prescribed by the jurists is up to 1 month], if they persist:6. Leave their beds (silent treatment, hoping they may have some time to think & come back), if they persist in their rebellion:7. Strike them once they relent (at any point):
so basically be a narcissistic sociopath of a husband
I deleted you denying what strike means
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@Lunatic
I am not here to censor all drama, I never said that was my aim. You're trying to pretend I have an agenda that I don't by twisting my words out of context.
A serial bully or person spamming white supremacy threads isn't the same as someone making lively drama threads with tough clickbait titles that get the mind stirring.
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@Lunatic
Which you also support doing. "I would use any sway I had as president to push the mods to respect and notice interactions that drive people off of the website or alternatively drive them to act more hostile."You give more credence to those offended then you do the supposed "offenders". This is a mentality that will do the opposite of what you suppose it will. Banning your most vocal members does not encourage or promote debate. People already have the tools the need to avoid others if they choose without moderation intervention, yet you actively want to sway moderator opinions to encourage banning. These are your own words I am qouting.
Okay, fair enough, I now see exactly where you are coming from and would like to say this:
I meant moderation as in not only bans, I'd want to encourage warnings and such before things got too bad that they were bannable by the length of toxicity by the user.
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@Lunatic
Actually it does promote debate and here is how:
By silencing one severely toxic and perhaps severely racist, misogynystic and whatever else type of severely offensive/degrading user, you will attract far more anonymous viewers of the website to sign up and start debating.
They take one look at a severe Wylted or Mesmer thread or just see BrotherDThomas' behaviour and they go yeesh, not the site for me. Then, even if they'd sign up in spite of that, they see the others reacting to the toxic environment and threads and they then go ah... Probably not the site for me.
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@Lunatic
Cathy Newman move sums up your entire OP
You think me blocking is me banning, ignoring the difference. I block to cease 1 on 1 contact with someone or with a place if I leave the server. Banning disallows another to interact with a place/group against their will.
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@Lunatic
Are you saying that Wylted hasn't said worse things?
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@Lunatic
That is how I reacted when emotional in a situation that didn't punish anybody.
The only part of that which was unprofessional was to use the word 'cunt'.
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@Lunatic
If you didn't skip in the middle you skipped what came before then.
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@Lunatic
You did leave things out of the conversation but I side with not wanting you to show it.
I believe Sacha Baron Cohen is a morally ambiguous comedian who sides more towards evil than good with his means of operating. I will tell more later on it as you're baiting me into suggesting I'd censor him which isn't the truth, I just want him exposed for what he did to that Romanian village that he mocked and defamed in Borat and said was Khazakstani, had an abortion doctor, prostitute and other things.
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I will wait for permission to post to this thread with campaigning.
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If I were to dox you or Wylted against your will and use things you'd said elsewhere, I know what the mods would do to me.
That said, we will see the outcome. Not like you showed the full convo anyway, you skipped parts in the middle but I do not care.
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I will wait for the mods to allow me to campaign in this thread then I will defend it all. I take a break now, thank you. No need to screenshot.
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@Lunatic
I will just say that I said more than you said I said about Borat and that waterphoenix also had done a lot more to me than that one incident, it's not important.
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@Lunatic
Silenced to me personally or silenced to speak others on a platform that I control?
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@Lunatic
And the fact that blocking to me is not always permanent is something you wish to completely ignore? Of course it is, since your agenda here is precisely to demonise me but I will ask you this, can you please fully tell the Borat conversation rather than your abridged version?
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@Lunatic
Lmao, I can't defend against this without violating the rule of not campaigning outside my campaign thread, so I will wait for the mods to allow me to. Otherwise, I'll address this inside my thread.
Also you are not blocked, you are literally still on my friends list on discord.
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wish to change the religion to adapt to those dogmas. & they usually end up with nothing.
Wow, according to you it's so evil to want Islam to adapt to being merciful and respectful to women?
You even believe it's so much so that they deserve to end up with nothing for seeking it?
What a peculiar world of moral standards must one live in to believe in that?
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confuse Islamic teachings which honor women & give them divine rights with Feminist dogmas
Which ones are these, please enlighten us?
I can give you plenty of the opposite kinds of Islamic teachings regarding women if you want.
Here's one
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
Shall I show some more?
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@Benjamin
I didn't call my proposed god a Deimurg or a Demiurge.
Demiurge is very close to what the overall spectrum of power-types this god holds.
Note: I prefer to use 'her' than 'its', as I think of my god as a mother of reality
The god I propose has total and utter knowledge and power of reality due to her being granted a unique ability upon her origin/creation that enabled her to hijack the random variable generator. She sets 'is true' to 'this entity (she) knows everything' and then began toggling other switches, making her existence static (stopping her randomly disappearing or being uncreated) and controlled basically everything there was to control at first.
I am very sure she can experience boredom and sadness even though she doesn't likely have a human brain or hormones. She became rather depressed-like and bored and her melancholy only ceased the moment she allowed some things to be random and surprising.
That's my genuine theory of reality, of course there's a bit more to it than just that but regarding if free will can occur with a god I don't see how regarding my god(dess) as a demiurge-type is a disqualifying factor.
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@Outplayz
I agree with you btw.
God(s) found total omnipotence and omniscience boring and whether by splitting herself/himself/theirselves/itself up or by allowing certain things to be genuinely random (if that's viable), reality suddenly became more fun for this god to watch unfold.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
This platform is closer to what I had originally hoped RMs platform would look like and caused me to support him originally (I thought RMs belief that he has been persecuted in the past would make him more focused on the idea of equal treatment for all).
How am I against that? I absolutely support it. We must all be equally cared for and protected by the moderation team and President, do you agree?
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@Vader
@Discipulus_Didicit
You have both become unsure of me as a candidate. Please tell me what specifics of my platform or personality make you unsure you want to support me and I will try my best to at least lessen it a bit.
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Also some of the best friends can insult each other, tease, banter, yell at each other and make up afterwords.
I am not comparing the relation of me and the mods to that at all, I'm saying your 'equality' absolute is kind of a lot wavier than you believe.
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@ILikePie5
Show me the insults I said in this thread then, mr. spin artist.
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@ILikePie5
Contradictory to your message that you have a good relation with them when you openly insult them on forums
Literally everyone can have good relations to them, I told Wylted it was easy to. I also know that when it comes down to it, they take what I say on board. Polytheist witch's situation has been helped by me already and I didn't even need president status to do so.
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@Athias
I'm not derailing others from participating, I am one of the only people willingly participating, there's a difference.
To prove it, I'll take a break myself and stop and we'll see what other's ask or say.
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@Athias
I would like you to show us 3RU7AL's general interactions before this thread and the one where you nominated the user.
You will find I didn't 'insult' or 'twist' anything, this user tend to restrictively interact with other users by posting URLs, one-liners or very robotic strings of text that don't seem to show a proper understanding of what is being expressed by the other user.
Sometimes the one-liners or one-word responses are actually more relevant and good replies than the extensive ones. I can show you examples if you want, we need to consider this when we try to imagine how a conversation between the moderators and 3RU7AL will go, which will affect the site.
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@Athias
3RU7AL was very straight to the point with you from my observations. And that's because his statements reflect his capacity to filter through the volume of extraneous details which you dumped his way.
They weren't extraneous details, it's why you are genuinely replying to them or at least are doing so a lot more than 3RU7AL did.
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@Athias
Really, you think so? No one has ever believed in me before. Now that I think about it, you're right. Why don't I just run myself?Try harder, next time.
Do you genuinely think you will be less popular and charismatic as the actual candidate with 3RU7AL as your ardent supporter than the other way around?
I wasn't trying to trick you at all.
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@Athias
Why do you perpetuate that this is still a competition between just you and Wylted? As far as my capacity to participate in this campaign process as well as my capacity to vote, this competition is between 3RU7AL and the rest of the candidates, which includes you.
I actually am taking this opponent much more seriously than Wylted is, so yes I respect that. It's why I'm challenging the candidate (that now it seems you speak on behalf of and I have no issue with that) and actively challenging you on certain things, responding to what you challenge me on as well.
Wylted just said this campaign mimics the others and then changed to attacking me. If either of us respects 3RU7AL as a genuine third candidate it's me.
I am also realistic and think that Wylted and I are already very neck and neck so whoever loses more votes to 3RU7AL is very likely to lose between the 2 of us whereas I'm fairly certain that this third candidacy is not going to overtake in overall popularity and appeal.
This isn't arrogance, it's genuine realism. You can take it as arrogance and delusion and realise I am correct on the election day(s) then.
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@Athias
3RU7AL is the only candidate who understands that this office is primarily an advisory position.
That will influence moderator decisions and balance out their bias, correct?
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@Athias
Show me the rule or stigma against being an ardent supporter.
There isn't and shouldn't be one at all, so when I said 'you' I asked you and 3RU7AL both.
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@whiteflame
Should something else come up, I'm sure you'll be the first to let me know.
It's accurate to say this, shame you don't realise it's a compliment if one ignores your tone.
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@Athias
Are you under the impression that you, 3RU7AL, and Wylted are running for a position on the Jedi counsel? Knowing one's "dark side" and not letting one's "dark side" interfere with the example one has set and intends to continue setting are two different things. I have much more confidence in 3RU7AL's example, than I would ever have in your words.
What example is that? Most of the posts of this user are either one-word/one-liners, URLs or something along the lines of seemingly robotic interaction with zero awareness of nuances or social aspects.
This isn't me just insulting, in this thread alone, 3RU7AL has completely struggled to follow what I am saying and therefore has replied overall either incoherently or outright sarcastically about 'opinion versus fact' type stuff implying nothing I state is a fact or somehow is ad hominem when really it was a fact-based conclusion that I wanted a reply to.
You, yourself, are actually a lot more capable of a role involving heavy communication and social interactions with moderators than the user you have nominated. I genuinely don't understand why it isn't you running and if you swapped right now, I'd be more interested in the dialogue that would ensue.
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@Athias
Another example of your lacking awareness. How do you plan to "balance out moderator power"? You state that you're familiar with the functions of the office but statements like these make me think otherwise. That is, unless you're attempting to propagate demagoguery.
Why don't you say what you think will go on between the President and moderators in the discord and on-site chats they'll have?
It's clear that you don't know what the President does.
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@Athias
Assumptions; no facts.
If the 'fact' you based me not becoming moderator ever is that I've been temp-banned and have been at odds with the moderators, Wylted has done so just as much if not slightly more. So what facts is it you're hinting at here?
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@Athias
when I said 'you' I meant plural you as in you and 3RU7AL as a duo, you not being the candidate but the most ardent supporter and in fact you have typed more than 3RU7AL has about the exact stance or advantage of such a presidency.
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@whiteflame
It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
You're the one playing games here, not me.
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@whiteflame
There's never been an election here like this before, this thread should be locked by you for being campaigning outside our campaign threads yet you let it happen so I was curious where you draw the line.
I did nothing wrong at all by asking.
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@Athias
I see, is an example of this 'unfailingly respectful' shown in this thread when 3RU7AL says the following:
thank you for sharing your opinions
Because I read it as sheer sardonic sarcasm, evidenced by never replying to said 'opinions'.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Three people will make it to the final election. I am confident that you will be one of those three no matter where I place my vote.
You are intelligent enough to know this had absolutely nothing to do with what you replied to.
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@whiteflame
Just asking you to admit what a chronic liar he is, is all.
I admit I hoped you were enforcing things like official suspension of public campaign but since neither that nor misquoting someone to make them seem pro-domestic-abuse is disallowed, I guess I was just hoping you'd point out he's a serial liar, which you have even if you didn't intend to.
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@Vader
He can do whatever he likes as long as it is in code with the election rules
Sure, where in the rules did it mention an exception to the ban on campaigning in other threads?
Also what was the point in him saying he'd suspended his public campaign?
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@ILikePie5
Something the President has to be willing to do.
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