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@Athias
The moderation staff had historically denied you entry into their ranks. Why is that?
Wylted won't likely every enter their ranks either and to my knowledge you and 3RU7AL are both barely known to them at all, including positively known but what would I know right?
I'm not applying to be a moderator, I'm applying to balance out moderator power. A position in fact that is best held by someone who knows their dark side, which you are trying to refer to me having seen.
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@Athias
You haven't even maintained the rule you yourself cited about candidates campaigning in other threads--this being the second thread, now, to my knowledge. Why should I, 3RU7AL, or anyone for that matter give you their confidence if you've exhibited no discipline or self-control? What have you demonstrated other than the fact you covet the office?
Are you being serious right now?
You mean that I talked in a thread Wylted made in the religion forums about our different approaches to it or that you made a thread nominating 3RU7AL and I talked in there about 3RU7AL primarily?
I remember what I said but to avoid paraphrasing with some lapse in what I write now, I'll directly copy-paste:
I can see issues with them as a presidential candidate (I think they'd make an excellent site analyst of some kind for the actual owner of it though) and I would actually say something of them that Wylted said of me; 3RU7AL's more cut out for a non-sociable role.I would encourage them (gender not displayed in profile) to endorse me despite some disagreements with me. I'd even encourage you to do the same.The reason is a combination of how corrupt I predict Wylted will be combined with how inactive/lazy I predict his events or any kind of 'moves' to be apart from when he's defending someone that he considers 'one of the cool guys'.The president overall serves three purposes:
- Making the bans of users be held up to a high standard of fairness (which can involve things prior to that ban and how the mods dealt with things in between it in broken-down steps).
- Holding fun events like official debate tournaments (that's the only one I can think of for now as gaming tournaments are able to be held by anyone anyway).
- Both representing the website as some form of ambassador-account on the outside and by chain reaction of 1 and 2 making the site appealing on top of their own 'appearance' for people who come across the website to think 'wow this is tiny but a fun place to join!'
I can achieve this, it's up to you to believe it or not.
If you really think that's me showing no self control because I post that in a thread where you nominate 3RU7AL, so be it.
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@Athias
Your platform may have been appealing when Wylted was your only competition. Again: lesser of two evils. But with 3RU7AL we have a good platform--one that's especially aware of that which he can and can't do. An awareness that you lack.
So, you want to leech at my base for the benefit of who exactly?
You won't beat Wylted or me, I'm very sure of that.
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@Barney
@whiteflame
, but since he's not obviously using them to bolster himself in the election, it's hard to call any of these campaigning.
LOL, my goodness!
Ragnar, can you actually see this? xD
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@Stephen
If you're curious here is where Wylted pretends to stop/suspend his public campaign and encourages people to PM-campaign on his behalf:
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I thought you were referring to post one of this thread obviously, genius. Lol. You aren't this dumb. Stop pretending to be, because you think it makes me look bad
Perhaps the dumb one is you, since it was blatant what I was referring to as I'd just @'d whiteflame about your quoting me trying to frame me as saying something I wasn't once the context was applied.
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@sadolite
This is to mock syllogisms I gather?
So if this were the syllogism, it's P2 I have issue with:
More holes = less swiss cheese
I understand where you're going here and why you find it funny but since you admitted that the additional holes are present due to there being more swiss cheese (P1) you actually have self-contradiction inside your syllogism because P2 can't be true is this is:
More swiss cheese = more holes
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Nobody reading that post, would think it is an endorsement LOL. 3rut7l go look at what RM is talking about to see if anybody would interpret that sarcastic comment, that way
To make it easier, link 3RU7AL to the post in the thread so they can read it and how you continue with it.
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One need only read your campaign thread and what you posted to my own campaign thread to know what I said is true. You are just trying to avoid admitting that the only basis of your campaign is 'I, Wylted, am more able to manipulate the mods than RM is, in my own opinion'.
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@Wylted
Resorting to insult in order to avoid admitting you lied is a common tactic you use Wylted. It's so boring now I won't even react or explain how far you went with the lie.
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@3RU7AL
You're welcome, opinions actually matter in a campaign contrary to your belief that only facts do. People want an idea of the moral code and overall ethics of the candidate.
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@Athias
And I agree with you as it concerns the capacity of the office that having the trust and faith of the moderators is just as important as having the trust and faith of the community over which you would preside.
Whiteflame has explicitly stated in Wylted's campaign thread that Wylted is wrongly assuming he has more of a hold on Whiteflame than I do/would as President.
Are you suggesting that 3RU7AL is above the both of us in how readily Whiteflame and his team of moderators will take given advice from him/her/them?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What exactly do you think 3RU7AL will do when imbalance happens?
3RU7AL says they want balanced treatment of everyone but based on what you know of the candidates, how are they the most likely one to push for fairness when it's violated? 3RU7AL seems like they see the President's role as relatively powerless and don't really intend to use it actively to push for the equal treatment they speak of.
I think that they also wouldn't enter the Discord chat, idk if 3RU7AL even has it. I also don't know if they'd persuade or argue in a way that would persuade the mods but that's because I haven't seen them in a setting where they really had to do so, even in formal debate they opt for idea sharing rather than actual arguing.
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@Athias
Well stated. RationalMadman is overestimating the capacity of the office, thus demonstrating a lack of awareness. You're being honest about what you can and intend to do, as opposed to engaging demagoguery to curry favor. And I agree with you as it concerns the capacity of the office that having the trust and faith of the moderators is just as important as having the trust and faith of the community over which you would preside.
I am not overestimating it at all.
The president will be in regular contact with the mods about their decisions, it doesn't solely apply to bans. I am actually aware of what the President can do. I never made a false claim about what I'd do as President.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If you want a president who won't use their power much at all, Wylted was always a better bet than me especially if you yourself ever found the mods abusing you.
Wylted cares about Wylted, his entire platform is literally that he uses friendships to gain power and is better than me at it. I'm not sure what you expected really, Wylted flexed how he's good friends with Whiteflame and wouldn't use his powers.
The only difference between 3RU7AL's platform and mine is that I also promised tournaments and was more specific on how I'd ensure the rules are pushed to fairly enforce on everyone.
You can vote who you want to, I will just suffer alongside you when/if Wylted wins.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You know that changing your vote only helps Wylted, right?
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@3RU7AL
@Athias
You possibly are taking Wylted not posting here as him respecting you but it's the very opposite. He doesn't fear you and is hoping you will attract voters who'd vote for me or that I'll say something here he can use against me.
What I am asking you to do is seriously consider (both yourself and Athias) who, for the next year (I am under the impression this is an annual role, no less) should lead the website and guard vulnerable members from unfair (either too over-strict or over-lenient) moderation and furthermore who it is that you believe will have your back genuinely when you're up against the wall.
I am saying you, as in literally you 3RU7AL and you, Athias. I do not believe you will win this election and I say that without any arrogance, it is about how late you entered it and how many have already gotten behind myself or Wylted.
I am asking you 2 to consider who will better serve the very interests you cherish:
any and all code-of-conduct enforcement should be uniform - regardless of the individual being considered and regardless of where they posted
Myself or Wylted?
I can promise you I absolutely vehemently will push for completely uniform and fair treatment to the both of you vs all other users. It's also why I'm posting so fervently in this thread, because no matter how sure I am that you will lose I respect you as a genuine opponent. I am grateful to you for not using any of the slimy tactics Wylted does and whether you drop out and back me or not, it is so genuinely refreshing to see somebody run for president other than myself who has their morals in tact.
I respect your honesty and integrity and am not a hypocrite to suggest you drop out in spite of it because I am also honesty and have high integrity, we are equals in that department in my eyes. You need to properly read through Wylted's campaign thread and perhaps see his style of derailing any attempt I have at serious discussion and twisting truth in the following threads:
I respect you both for being on the side of uniform application of rules but you have me, somebody who chose option 2 in that scenario and who is anti-corruption and a guy who flexes his friendship with Whiteflame, who mocks female users brutally berating them even saying he'll seduce and fuck them and who has dedicated his campaign to being a really cruel, twisted persona.
I wish you well no matter what you choose but I beg you not to back Wylted if you do change your minds later because he is not the right person to defend users of this website.
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@3RU7AL
it is not an opinion, you picked neither option 1 nor option 2 and your reasoning was as follows:
what exactly do you believe might be "accomplished" by making private details of user accounts public knowledge ?
Which was something I also thought of and said his scenario was lacking specifity on in my own reply because it completely neglected to explain why the private information was part of this.
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@3RU7AL
Throughout my campaign, I have had to deal with a serious of dishonest, outright filthy tactics from Wylted. It began with him posing as a severely outspoken supporter of me: is Rational Madman a dick? Should a dick be president. following a chat with me about me worrying about him having Covid, after he spoke of coughing up blood due to it. I didn't ask him to do it at all, he did it of his own volition only to immediately enter my campaign thread with such an abusive ultimatum and other cunning ploys, behind a kind and concerned facade, to bait me into admitting things he felt he could use against me or saying something he felt he could quote out of context and demonise me.
There has been no shortage of abusive tactics from his side and you even helped me out by actively providing a solution to his promised VP actively harbouring data he'd very likely leak to Wylted and use to further their cause.
I have had to deal with such severely deceptive and emotionally draining tactics from his side that the majority of my campaign has been forced to become anti-Wylted though I very clearly am less so that than pro-what-I-stand-for. On the other hand, it is curious that his entire campaign is about him vs me, it is not clear a single thing he stands for other than bribing voters with cryptocurrency the he'll not release unless he wins.
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@3RU7AL
It is not at all, for you yourself were incapable of answering it due to how abusively it juxtaposes two immoral things.
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@3RU7AL
Exactly, do you agree his scenario was ridiculously worded in order to bait one into either admitting to being totally corrupt or admitting to being open to violating privacy?
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@whiteflame
A much more pertinent matter to discuss is why he's campaigning here, not even in his own campaign thread, yet he is considered by you to have ceased his public campaign.
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@whiteflame
The response to moderation intervening in instances like this is usually pretty negative, and our goal here isn't to micromanage how anyone runs their campaign or smears another. Seems unnecessary to rope us into individual posts like this, but if it supports your narrative, go for it.
It doesn't support my narrative, Wylted's blatant twisting of words as well as outright deception do that for me.
I asked you if it's allowed to totally and utterly quote the opponent out of context and then pretend you linked to the quote later (when you literally didn't):
^ quoting without context
That is the full quote about your goal with this forum. I linked to it, so anybody could see it is the full quote
gaslighting to pretend he linked to the thing where I said he quoted without context.
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@3RU7AL
you seem to be under the impression that "DebateArt.com President" will be in some position to tell the moderators what they should dothis is not the casethe moderation team can over-rule any recommendations that "DebateArt.com President" might be inclined to suggestmaintaining the full faith of the moderators is just as important as maintaining the full faith of the community"DebateArt.com President" has no leverage whatsoever over the moderators
There is a difference between needing to push forth a case and having no leverage whatsoever.
The leverage is emotional and social if it's in the hands of the right person. The mods should neither totally fear nor totally like the President, they need a healthy balance of both. They need to like the President enough to genuinely take his/her/their words seriously and need to fear that if they totally ignore the President, he/she/they is/are popular enough to push forth a genuine case in the forums as to what the mods are doing wrong and has enough respect and popularity to mean that the userbase will actually trust them and take into account their perspective.
This is, in fact, why I am at a loss as to why Wylted chose 'option 1' on the following:
Are you capable of proving your ability to use discretion. The ability to use discretion is important to a working relationship. Let's say you earn whiteflames trust and he starts leaning heavy on you as an advocate for users he interacts with less than you.A lot of those conversations may be very private and ugly facts about users could come out that was only the privy of mods. Say whiteflame concludes a particular case of harassment is not harassment and the user should go unpunished. You guys fight hard over it and he basically says "fuck you, not banning the harasser " . Your only two options are1. Drop your argument and let the harasser get away with itOr2. Air your personal grievances with whiteflame publicly and break his trust and ruin the relationship necessary for a working relationship.Will you and can you be trusted to take option 1.I know I have the ability to maintain that relationship with whiteflame and have previously proven it as I have interacted with him a lot off site and we have both told each other personal things, and both of us have seen each other never betray that trust. Can whiteflame trust you like he trusts me, so a working relationship is possible?
- Wylted
Which of the 2 do you lean to and why?
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Alright and between you and I who is a huge fan of how Elliot got his firearms?
You really want to go there? I am not your plaything to compare to who you want and make react how you want, it's pathetic to see you try quite frankly.
Between you and I, the one closer to being a misogynistic incel who is pro-guns is you. You literally couldn't resist saying you'd seduce and fuck Danielle, a married lesbian, in order to 'one-up' me or some shit. Get a sense of decency and respect to others before running for a position where you're meant to represent their interests.
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@3RU7AL
Wrong, not if you have limited time and energy and even if you had unlimited time and energy, the ones who weren't neglected tend to genuinely want more time to themselves whereas the neglected tend to want more attention.
However, this is becoming a sidetrack neither of us want to go down.
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@3RU7AL
Do you agree that being approachable and recognisable to other users matters as the President of this website, who is meant to be the person they turn to whenever they feel moderation isn't doing their job?
If so, how approachable and recognisable to other users do you feel you are, when compared to the other 2 candidates?
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@3RU7AL
non-uniform enforcement of the past cannot be rectified by non-uniform enforcement moving forward
It can and has been in many real-life situations even.
If you have a very neglected child or pet animal, it is very advisable to be extra attentive and sensitive to them when helping them recover.
The treatment for child abuse and neglect depends on the type of abuse. The first priority is creating a safe environment for the child, which may mean contacting social services or law enforcement so that the child can be taken to a safe place. Once the child is safe, mental health professionals and/or a physician will figure out the best type of therapy.Therapy can help children understand their thoughts and feelings so they can learn to cope with the aftermath of abuse. There are different types of therapy, such as:
- Developmental therapy. This type of therapy deals with the way a child grows and the way that growth has been changed or blocked by abuse.
- Intrapersonal therapy. This type of therapy deals with the way the child’s relationships have been influenced by the abuse.
- Cognitive and behavioral therapy. This type of therapy deals with the way the abused child’s feelings and thoughts have changed their behavior.
Treatment activities may also focus on preventing child abuse and neglect from happening again. Federal, state, and local agencies can help with these efforts by:
- Helping parents and children create stronger bonds
- Informing parents about good parenting techniques
- Teaching parents to be emotionally tough
- Creating stronger social and community connections
- Supporting parents who are struggling
Helping children learn better social and emotional skillsYour child’s healthcare provider will check for signs of abuse and/or neglect. If your child has emotional, developmental, and/or behavioral problems, ask your child’s healthcare provider for a referral to a mental health specialist for an evaluation.Your child may need additional testing as well as medicine, and/or counseling to help them overcome abuse or neglect.
It can be heartbreaking to see a neighbor’s animal suffering in a situation of neglect. Depending on the situation, there are various ways you can help the animal or animals involved.For emergency situations in which an animal’s life or safety is in immediate danger, contact your local law enforcement or call 911 immediately.If the animal’s life is not in danger but you suspect neglect, it may be productive to approach the guardian and offer assistance such as walking the dog or even helping to place the animal in a more appropriate home. It is a sad fact that at times people get animals without thinking about the long-term commitment they are taking on; when the reality of the situation becomes apparent, they may be relieved to have someone offer their assistance.There are times when the caretaker of the animal is blind to their inability to offer the appropriate care for the animal or animals under their guardianship. When more animals are taken in than the caretaker is able to care for, such a situation readily spirals out of control into what is referred to as “animal hoarding.” Read here for more information about the issue of animal hoarding.If the guardian of the animals is not approachable, or if you suspect the animal is suffering from abuse as well as neglect, alert law enforcement, your local humane society, or your local SPCA (whichever is appropriate in your area) about the situation. It will be helpful to document what you have witnessed, including noting dates, locations and specific incidents and problems in a detailed journal. Photographs, video, and other evidence of the abusive conditions are helpful and persuasive. The Animal Legal Defense Fund does not have an investigative unit, so it is imperative that local authorities fully investigate the case.If the overseeing agency is non-responsive, consider circulating a petition that you can then present to the agency demanding that the abusive conditions be immediately corrected. Consider enlisting the help of the local media such as newspapers, radio and television stations to publicize the situation.A number of laws may apply; usually these would be state and/or local laws, but there may be federal laws as well (e.g., if you suspect the animals are used for fighting). To obtain local ordinances, contact your city council, local humane organization, visit your local library or check online at www.municode.com.
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@whiteflame
I like to be clear on how immoral and low-blow you guys let opponents be to each other before retaliating later on if need be.
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@3RU7AL
However, if there has been non-uniform attention and effort towards moderating (short of pure banning) within a community that exists on the website, there is already an imbalance that needs to be set to the other direction, do you not agree?
This isn't just myself talking, the reason Wylted's plan backfired is that it actually attracted Religion Forum users to support me that were otherwise going to be neutral or even against me potentially.
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@3RU7AL
The way I put it will make you inevitably agree you are closer to me which is why I was curious how you saw it beforehand.
The Religion (sub)forum community has been significantly neglected by moderators compared with any other subforum other than perhaps Forum Games. It is so severe that a subculture has developed there which has been perpetuated by a select few (BrotherDThomas was the most recent example of someone who significantly perpetuated it but even ethang5 partly did so, more in retaliation than active harassment).
I believe a primary and significant reason for this is that the members who are active there are so accustomed to a mentality of 'the mods won't care if I complain' that they start to see the only way to handle it as quietly posting around these abusive members or actively retaliating by flaming them back in a flamewar, with a lot of sarcastic commentary combined with direct insult.
This is something Wylted believes is fine and should be left alone, he even deceptively coaxed me into making my views clear to the Religion Forums while pretending to support my idea and when that failed he himself went to post a thread there to render me unelectable (or so he thought).
What is your take on this situation and the approaches he and I take? I believe I am closer to you than to him, from my own perspective.
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@whiteflame
No thanks, I think anybody with a sufficient amount of brain function can realise I never said that quote in the contextless way he quoted it.
I was referring to using power to protect people, he implied I am pro-abuse.
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@3RU7AL
Yes actually, I would regard the only god I think is (or can be) real as a demiurge type god.
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@3RU7AL
In your personal opinion (or, perhaps you prefer the term 'objective analysis') is Wylted or myself closer to you in this regard, specifically with our approach to the Religion Forums?
Furthermore, is it possible that you could make it clearer what precisely you'll do?
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@Vader
@whiteflame
Is quoting the opponent of the election completely out of context allowed?
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I don't even have to quote you to shame you; every post you made to this thread, your own campaign thread, 3RU7AL's nomination thread and the religion forum debate about reforming it let me sit back and allow people to judge you for the nasty guy that you are.
You are the narcissist blinded by your ego, you are the one who totally and utterly lacks tact or any EQ at all. The fact I can be this blunt is due to you failing at the very tact you pride yourself on.
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your misogyny is a lot more elliot rodgers-esque btw
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Nothing you have done less of than me. You have fucked your campaign up so bad at this point nobody can look worse.
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@Benjamin
A counterpoint is that God may not be the core of reality, instead God is the apex hijacker of what would otherwise be total random variation. In other words, it is possible that the core of reality is random and that God was randomly generated, controlling the majority of the random variation but leaving a minority of variable totally, genuinely random (could even be nearly 50/50 split).
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@Athias
One more technicality... I'm under the impression 2 need to endorse/nominate a candidate for them to be properly official. As in you are 1 person, there needs to be another who offically backs 3RU7AL.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Exactly, this has become a place of severe neglect. I feel the right president can negate that with active participation.
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@Athias
Okay I will stop discussing my candidacy here, you are right but I also don't know how else to discuss 3RU7AL running without referring to the 2 currently running, one which happens to be me.
As in, I was trying to let you know that this candidacy is not what I'd deem optimal for the election. I don't mind 3RU7AL running but I also think this is the wrong election for them to run if they wanted to do so.
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@Lemming
@n8nrgmi
@Reece101
@Amoranemix
@Benjamin
See above
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@3RU7AL
One exception to this rule is this thread Wylted made in the Religion Subforum, you're welcome to state your stance on that there:
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What you dubbed a 'crackdown' is merely me caring for the forums.
Let me reiterate what I said in my own campaign thread:
Anyways, Wylted has his faults and obvious character flaws, but he seems pretty dedicated, and he has less emotion invested in his decisions. I don't have any real reason to support any one of you other than I feel there could be improvements. Wylted seems content with the direction of what takes place there. You seem to have a deeper vision, but the question would be what kind of vision and what do you have to offer a dead-beat obnoxious forum and what do you think could be improved?The answer, aside from what I've already made clear, is as follows:
- Those that directly 'go after' particular users over and over will be effectively disciplined and reformed by consistent, active attention paid by moderators to the forum. The president is able to uniquely influence moderator decisions by being invited to a Discord server and channel(s) where private things are discussed. I will ensure they approach this actively.
- Any who currently have felt ignored, I will get heard. One such user has been polytheist witch, I am the reason Whiteflame posted this to her thread: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7101/post-links/305388 and have helped her with techniques to definitely get action taken against her harasser if it continues from this day forth (how to react to the harasser and how to report it to the highest ranking moderator that can act on it).
- Over time, the environment will lack the hostility that's currently there and you will find more casual posters enter as well as that current posters act with less severe caution because they fear less abuse.
I am the primary reporter, to my knowledge, that got BrotherDThomas handled. I don't say that with pride, I say to make clear that even when I've rarely used the forums, it's always been a concern for me whether or not a user or two are making life hell for the rest in the Religion Forums.
I am not campaigning here, I am having to paste posts as Wylted forced this subforum to become an arena we compete in regarding said subforum.
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@EtrnlVw
@Polytheist-Witch
@Outplayz
@Tradesecret
@Lunar108
Those @'d are religion-forum based supporters (or potential supporters) of me who have asked things such as the following:
Anyways, Wylted has his faults and obvious character flaws, but he seems pretty dedicated, and he has less emotion invested in his decisions. I don't have any real reason to support any one of you other than I feel there could be improvements. Wylted seems content with the direction of what takes place there. You seem to have a deeper vision, but the question would be what kind of vision and what do you have to offer a dead-beat obnoxious forum and what do you think could be improved?
The answer, aside from what I've already made clear, is as follows:
- Those that directly 'go after' particular users over and over will be effectively disciplined and reformed by consistent, active attention paid by moderators to the forum. The president is able to uniquely influence moderator decisions by being invited to a Discord server and channel(s) where private things are discussed. I will ensure they approach this actively.
- Any who currently have felt ignored, I will get heard. One such user has been polytheist witch, I am the reason Whiteflame posted this to her thread: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7101/post-links/305388 and have helped her with techniques to definitely get action taken against her harasser if it continues from this day forth (how to react to the harasser and how to report it to the highest ranking moderator that can act on it).
- Over time, the environment will lack the hostility that's currently there and you will find more casual posters enter as well as that current posters act with less severe caution because they fear less abuse.
I am the primary reporter, to my knowledge, that got BrotherDThomas handled. I don't say that with pride, I say to make clear that even when I've rarely used the forums, it's always been a concern for me whether or not a user or two are making life hell for the rest in the Religion Forums.
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@3RU7AL
Alright, please be sure to make a thread outlining your campaign with promises, otherwise you have not yet officially announced your candidacy. I am telling you this to help you out and part of that is to tell you that now that you announced you accepted the nomination, you are not allowed to discuss your candidacy outside of either your own campaign thread (not this one) or other's campaign threads (Wylted's and my own) that's how it works.
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Do you want to know the funniest part of this, for me, Wylted?
Had Pie run against me, he would neither have said some of the sexist or rude things he's since said with your 'banter' and probably have utilised Polytheist Witch's passion against me (she was no fan of me).
He'd also have been significantly more tactful and pseudo-resepectful to me, it was only after he dropped out that he became so snarky and rude.
You talk about tact, yet you are incapable of it. You think I can't be fake-polite because I am so good at being it and all it took was me telling you that I don't respect you for you to demand Pie to step down and replace him with a candidate that is far easier to demonise, namely yourself.
You talk about nuance and social strategy, I played you like a fiddle and right here right now if you replace out for Pie it is too late and will make Pie look fake as well as you because the only votes that would maintain are the ones you already have anyway.
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You poll better against pie than me, and as you said, you want a more close competition.
Oh yes, for sure...
You replacing Pie was the best decision you could make for your cause. It would have been so much easier to point out problems with Pie than you.
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@Athias
I would never endorse you for any serious office. You're without doubt very intelligent; but you're also very erratic. You don't have your emotions under control even with the convenience of anonymity.
It is easy to judge someone who has actually been under pressure before. 3RU7AL has never faced a high pressure situation here, they've faced scenarios of pure neutrality and idea exchange, completely ignoring the social side of the website.
Wylted is more erratic than I am, including how he lept from being against me to for me to against me again purely based on where his ego and impulses led him.
It's all fine by me whatever you think or vote for, in the end the site will suffer not me alone and that is the nature of democracy if the majority are too ignorant of the reality at any one election.
I would also like to point out that I used 'they' as a gender-neutral term because 3RU7AL neither identified themselves as male or female in the profile and has been on the site for a long time if they identified as he or she, to make it clear to us what pronoun to use.
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