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Supa hadn't even realised he should be 100% against the team, he just saw them and went 'why aren't we suspecting them' then revealed his main focus was on me being scummy.
This is very towny thought process.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I vote no
I very much like how Supadudz suspected me here and the reasoning as to why. The fact his attention went primarily there and only after that to the team as well as him not voting no is all very indicative of genuine reaction rather than planned response.
I think the team is Oro and Earth now.
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@Vader
Wait, why aren't we suspect of Oromagi, WF, and Pie? If they went on the mission and it failed, it means one of them drew the fail card.
If you are resistance it 100% fails from your POV, not probably but definitely unless you think that both Earth and me are spies.
It should not be an 'if' for you but a 'will fail' with assurance if you're resistance.
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The 'why' from Earth made no sense to ask as Resistance.
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- I was aforementioned orphan growing up at the Scrogian Scorgian - Odigos war
Scorgian border* during the war
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@oromagi
In the interests of having credibility later on when it matters strongly who is trusted between Earth and myself, I will discuss my Bio given to me.
I am aware that the spies got cover bios, as said in previous thread, however I want to point out multiple things just in case Disc had an unintended pattern and others can relate who are Resistance.
- Grew up as an orphan
- I was aforementioned orphan growing up at the Scrogian Scorgian - Odigos war
- Affiliated with criminal organizations
- joined local chapter of Scorgian Cartel at age of 14 in 875 NEC
- The Scorgian campaign oppressed the organization (the Cartel) and I had to flee.
- My original usage was as a drug runner (likely to conflict with a spy's fake bio, not with another resistance member most probably)
- I then became a weapons smuggler for a big operation after being contacted by the contacted by Scorgian Insurgency in 884.
- I successfully completed the weapons smuggling and used my resulting rebel contacts to join the Alliance of New Hope in 888
- I joined it for the predictable desire to oppose the system I saw as corrupt that had ruined both my childhood (implying it's linked to my parents abandoning me or dying) and the said clamp down on criminal organizations screwing me over.
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I will just abstain from voting as I don't hate the team but sure don't think it's a good idea to rush this phase.
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@whiteflame
If you leave me out of the mission it's 3/4 chance of failure.
It's actually better for us to have discussed and made a concrete conclusion on who between Earth and myself is the fake (even if the rest say they think it's both Earth and myself, which I know for sure it isn't).
Pie rushing the suggestion seems shady af to me, lots of talking = lots of opportunities for tells.
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@ILikePie5
Do whatever, I am clueless at this point. As in, I was so hyped for a mission success thanks to how aggressively I got myself on the team, that I was ready for a situation here where we (resistance) could gamble.
I don't like not being on the team for blatant reasons (we are talking 3/4 chance of failure) but I totally get your logic and read you as resistance overall.
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@ILikePie5
I don't know, really.
The partner voting to rush him and me is also plausible, I just don't buy into it being WF due to how WF spoke in his first post and even in general. The way WF was sitting back after the conflict with me and then okay with Earth and me also added up to him being resistance.
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Scum/Spies
Earth
Supa?
Resistance
Me (but scumread by all for result of mission one)
Whiteflame
Oro and Pie both active but not sure how to read that activity, seems towny overall to me.
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I will vote no to this team if whiteflame isn't on it. I will also vote no if supa is on it. Put me on this team, I beg you let me prove I am resistance. Earth's entry into Mission one forum thread was scummy as fuck, he asked a totally pointless why question and put himself on the team to frame me.
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Whiteflame is probably resistance because the way he talked to Earth about not needing to pick him, in WF's first post, isn't how partners would likely interact.
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Earth and Supa is the team, I will predict it now. The reason I am sure of this is that the last second post Supa made, made no sense to bother making. It was filler.
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@oromagi
I don't agree with a preset thing.
I am #4 and want to be on the team 100%
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@Earth
What do you mean why? I know I will pass/succeed the mission and I townread Pie.
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I would like Pie and myself to be the team. I encourage everybody to push for this team on the first mission.
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I play high-pressure in social-deduction games. It's always optimal in the long run, always unpleasant for those in the game and always forces everyone to leak tells.
It's up to you to pressure me back well. You can hate me for my playstyle and socially exclude me from games, that's fine. I play to win, not to make friends, that's not what a game to win is about for me.
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@whiteflame
I'm fine either way. Put me on the mission or don't, Earth. I think I'll be able to take something from it either way.Perhaps so. Or, a spy would want into the first mission, refuse to sabotage it, and make themselves look entirely clean. They'd be brought onto future missions, and have an opportunity to point the finger at new members on those missions.
What kind of game am I playing? Why are you so angry? If you think I am a spy for my pressuring and reasoning, explain why unemotionally. Rage during an argument is a scumtell, especially from a guy as smart as you.
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I would like Oromagi and me to be the team, personally.
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@whiteflame
I would not opt to do that, I'd have faith my partner could hardcarry and play a clever game avoiding blame for the failure. I would not want to put myself at huge risk.
Only 2/6 means 1/3 of us ('us' if I were a spy) would be there to stop the Resistance steamrolling following that and people would be skeptical regardless exactly due to what you said (which I intentionally didn't talk about and it's odd your mind went there).
I am now more certain WF is a spy. He is considering is more likely that the spies would not sab the first mission if on it and yet couldn't care less about himself being on the team.
Contradictory logic/betting.
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@oromagi
there is no eliminating players, you send on missions and vote AGAINST teams that the spies setup to defend, it's the only way.
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@oromagi
For this game I support that.
The only one problem is that if we set that as the site's meta for this game it's so unfair on spies in the future who happen to be the first team leader.
I support it, regardless but don't think this meta is optimal even from the Resistance perspective as it doesn't really help much.
I would really like to be on the team with someone who isn't Earth and isn't whiteflame. I want to see who he picks, it will tell me more later at a crucial stage if the other person picked is spies/scum.
I am down to be with Earth but it will naturally be assumed now that I am the scum if Earth is. Which I immensely dislike as precedent for the rest of the game because I am not truly sure of my scumread on whiteflame (but I am quite sure) and won't want to bet the game on an Earth-WF team.
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@whiteflame
if it fails it is 1/2 who is the spy out of the 2. Spy should ultimately want out of first mission.
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@oromagi
no, he picks 2, idk if he is allowed to pick himself
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@whiteflame
Give a single reason why, as Resistance, you would hesitate to insist being on the first team?
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@Earth
make the team myself with someone who isn't WF
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@Barney
@Vader
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Reece101
@FLRW
I will hook you up with my homies, np. You owe me tit for tat
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@Wylted
Because they were all stopped, at least we can say over 98% that could/would occur never happened. You can't 'measure' the ones that never happened.
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@Wylted
you try it, my sentence'll get extended.
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@Wylted
I don't think you can point to any examples of countries with a lot of school shooting shooting problems, that fixed them with gun control. The main reason being, that it's a pretty american problem. At least to my knowledge.
Wrong. This was the exact thing that after just 1, just 1, instantly caused the UK to loathe guns almost overnight.
It was of course not always this way in other gun-loathing nations. It was many killings, you're right. However, the cause is irrelevant...
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Sign me up, how much talking is allowed?
Please make phases long though.
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@Fruit_Inspector
You know I'm blocked, right?
quite rightly so
I forgot specifically which post led me to block you but I know myself well enough to know it was extremely likely to be a justified block.
I don't have much tolerance for right-wing bigots and it is not hypocritical to be pro-tolerance and anti-intolerance, being tolerant of the very intolerant is more hypocritical.
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@Fruit_Inspector
- Less hospitalised or deeply fatigued workers = more active working force and less drain on any industry.Even if non-lethal, Covid often leads to weeks if not multiple months of fatigue and severe lung scarring.
- The virus surviving less in all citizens' bodies means no matter who spreads it to who it gets killed off ASAP. The only citizens who will remain unvaccinated (due to health reasons, their body can't adapt to or handle vaccines) in a mandate will be those whose immune systems also can't handle Covid (sure-fatalities) so it's also gonna extra-help them.
- The US doesn't have any sort of public healthcare scheme but if it did, it would be about draining that less, it does still have limited staff so it's better to not completely swamp them or they will neglect some sick for the 'more sick' and that kind of trade-off in a highly developed nation like US is very shocking.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Because of christmas and issues or business elsewhere this isn't a good time for me to risk a time-sink game
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@Discipulus_Didicit
well played, tictactoe 5-connect is better. Even though it's also open-information, there starts to be gambits worth doing.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
This game is like Chess but oversimplified.
Too boring for me to stay stimulated, zero gambits worth doing, zero risk-taking.
I literally had no way to win I think, only to stop you winning.
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