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@oromagi
I'm sorry but why would a Resistance team leader hesitate to put themselves on the team?
The hesitance is for show.
Earth didn't even talk about his bio, I didn't mention it because I couldn't care less what he says is in his bio as I know he's a spy.
Earth has not revealed any reads, justify either no-hammer and is sitting there near-trolling because he has done his job, so to speak and sab'd, he just hopes his partner can towntell. That's how Earth plays as scum in mafia very often, just minimalistic nonsense, saying just enough to not be called a lurker and just solid enough to not be called a troll.
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@whiteflame
Valid point. I guess the issue here is more with who we're going to choose for the next round than for this one. Like I said, I suspect that even if there is a Spy in this one, they will not sabotage this round. Whoever the other Spy is, they have more to gain by staying quiet this round than they do by sabotaging due to PoE alone.
If I was spy, I'd sab this Round.
If I was Pie or Oro, I'd even more so sab this Round.
Why? RM gets blamed. It is perfection.
However, I will answer your next question to justify why I'm willing to take that risk.
Anyway, I'd like to at least get RM's take on why he's favoring Oro over Supa before I vote yes, but you can consider me locked in as a yes vote at the moment.
Earth hammering no to both teams is not consecutive WIFOM, there was most definitely one of the two teams he genuinely didn't want because his partner was outside it.
The reason I am sure of this is just Earth seems to be a minimalist player, both during this and previously in other games. If he deceives (as scum) and does things it's rarely for a very elaborate plan and more for simpler deception. I don't have specific games to 'showcase minimalism' because he is like this every game and is even more like this when scum. Just check his previous posts, he basically sticks to the forum games section.
My theory is that either he genuinely is Supa's partner or alternatively is yours. He voted no to the first either because he didn't want Supa, or wanted you.
If Oro had been his partner, not only was Oro on both teams but I explicitly had stated that I was between Supa and you for who I wanted on my team if it ended up voted no (with Pie on the team as I hard res-read him or 'townread' whatever).
Following this, Earth votes no.
I do not think he'd ever confidently do that with Oro as his partner, I do think he could do that if he's with Pie but Pie just screams resistance to me, that's just a hard vibe-read.
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@oromagi
Yes, and that Earth didn't. I don't think of Earth as a particularly engaged player but the spies obviously desperately want to be on that first mission and that describes RM not Earth.
Earth put himself on the team.
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The fact you are so resistant to this team makes me very happy about having you on the team,
pun unintended actually LOL, maybe it's a psychological thing when i think about the game and type.
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@oromagi
The fact you are so resistant to this team makes me very happy about having you on the team, I feel like you wouldn't ever do this as an act.
As for Pie, the reason I am quite sure he's resistance is just that aside from early nonsense from him because (he claims) he was tired during mission one thread, he's been very sensible, contributive and his bio has things in it that don't look like mimickery to me but which match the format of my own, very well, in terms of what about his bio is mentioned.
I also like that Pie voted no to the previous team, whether or not he switched to yes after Earth, because from his perspective he had begun to change his mind to want me on the team and that is an extremely sensible reason (he was on the team, he really didn't have to do that)
This all adds up to be an excellent team-choice to me.
I will take the blame if this mission fails. I accept full loss. I am that sure that this is a 3-res team now.
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I never really know if I am chaotic neutral or true neutral.
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@ILikePie5
You are the only one of us who is not an orphan of any kind in your bio, even as you grow.
The thing about this is that it's almost such an obvious 'odd one out' I feel Disc would not have left it like that if you were spy.
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@ILikePie5
He isn't, look at how he hammered no both times without a single explanation, read or anything.
He just sat loving the situation in mission 1 because he could discredit me perfectly and then went quiet until he had to talk again.
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@whiteflame
whichever of you is resistance, I highly encourage voting yes to this mission team.
I am telling you firmly that Earth voting no twice as a hammer in the situations that were there and team suggestions that were there only adds up if the consistent team members were a danger to him causing sabotage securely without leaking a strong partner tell for later.
It is more likely that it is WF and that Oromagi shocked the pair by not re-adding Whiteflame to the team on the second suggestion and their wifom backfired.
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TAKE NOTE
At the point of Earth voting no the second time, I had very much so implied I was unsure between supa and WF who I want on my team but made clear I would not include Oromagi on the team.
Mission 1, the two teams I requested were Oro and myself and Pie and myself, the former was glossed over and Earth was curious about the second.
I will take full responsibility for a resistance loss if my read here and logic is flawed. I firmly believe this team results in mission success and that the partner of Earth is WF, with Supa being definitely viable on the side.
I can see nothing from Oromagi that is a spy-tell and several things from Whiteflame on this thread that imply panicking when Oromagi didn't add him to the team (which ruined the wifom of Earth voting no to the previous team).
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Based on Earth hammering and some other factors I won't talk about now regarding whiteflame more so than supa, I officially propose the following team:
Oromagi, Ilikepie5 and RM.
Justification for pushing me?
To me, myself, I am guaranteed resistance and therefore I changed 3/4 chance of failure to 1/2.
I firmly believe Earth would not vote no twice to two teams unless something about one of them is a wifom-play that he wants to mask.
I also believe that Pie is firmly resistance for many, many reasons. Just everything about his activity and bio and all of Earth's reactions to Pie.
I do not know how to read Oromagi at all this game.
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@ILikePie5
The thing is that both you and Oromagi were on 2 teams that Earth went out of his way to hammer no on.
First time easily is wifom, second? I wonder...
I think you, Oro and me on a team is actually secure if Oromagi can somehow make me feel vibes that he's resistance.
I can obviously see it being viable he had a region and backstory different to us as a genuine resistance member but the main thing confusing me about Oromagi is why he asked so many questions day 1 that to him (an avid Wikipedia reader) should be kind of simple to work out.
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@ILikePie5
The thing about whiteflame's bio is that it reads to me as if Disc was feeling lazy and giving a fake bio that was a flip-story of mine in quite a few ways.
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@ILikePie5
If you weren't aware, Whiteflame voted no during a longer post and put it in bold.
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I can promise you, if this is rejected, I have precedent with 2 failures outside of the original duo to force myself on the team.
I am being open and honest here.
If this is voted no, I will push myself, Pie and Supa or myself, Pie and WF.
I'm open to discuss which.
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@ILikePie5
I can see why you would suspect that but even with my gambit-habit, that is not how I'd roll. Especially not in a first game of this kind on the site. It basically guarantees that the resistance is likely to enter Mission 4 with 2 wins...
I would never do that, not as a long con for a first game.
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If DoB matters, my character/bio's is
05/11/861
I don't think it matters.
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@ILikePie5
Supa and Earth is viable, I just really like Supa's bio and cluelessness.
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Otherwise, I want to absolutely force a reveal, to me, of if Oro is spy or not.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I will be willing to change to voting No if there is an agreement that me, pie and supa can enter as a team of 3.
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We need to find out which between oro and WF is the one, I would really like that.
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We need to force spies to want/need to sab to reveal which one it is.
Alternatively, I'll do myself, Pie and Supa as I believe all three are resistance.
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So, vote as you please, I am sure it's WF or oro now, based on bios and further behaviour throughout this mission's thread.
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If this is vote on on, or if it happens and is sabbed, my team is going to be myself, Pie and Whiteflame.
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If this is sabotaged, I am firmly certain that the team is Oromagi and Earth.
Oromagi's bio has a region/area not in the rest of ours.
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@Vader
is Tedpran said to be on a specific side of the war, physically?
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@whiteflame
Unless you are saying Earth and myself are the team, can you give me one reason why you haven't voted no yet to the suggested team?
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@ILikePie5
is the Tedpran Garrison said to be on a certain side of the war?
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@ILikePie5
So you believe it’s exactly Earth and WF?
I am starting to.
The way I see it, you are absolutely with me. Your bio and mine make a lot of sense to coincide.
Whiteflame's is mimickery of mine in one way (even if it's true) as if Disc based it on mine and flipped it around not that WF made it all up... Yet, it's also generic and lacking like just fleeing, fleeing?
Supa's is solid, adds up and specifies the criminal job, like mine did.
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@oromagi
Is it mentioned if you grew up on a certain side of the war?
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Nvm I am wrong sorry it's not a real place... Idk why it sounds real to me.
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I actually am inclined to vote yes (this is not me voting)
I really like Oro's bio except for that it's a real place that's mentioned. It matches mine much more.
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@oromagi
Mesaia archipeligo is a real place that has nothing to do with what seems to be an imaginary war that WF and my bios described.
Your specifies your job during your criminal activities though.
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@whiteflame
I will let others speak of their bios before judging how significant certain differences are.
I refuse to believe it's totally superficial flavouring.
Mine definitely told the job I had where yours just said who you worked for, however Idk if that's significant or not.
You also began wealthier whereas my bio was bottom of the food chain, no inheritance etc.
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@whiteflame
lots of fleeing, also an orphan and the opposite side began to stamp you out...
hmm...
you worked for governor as what?
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Town/resistance same thing for me, to me 'townread' is easier to type than 'resistanceread' and 'resread' is weird
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@ILikePie5
Supa doesn't seem clueless day 1, he seems lazy. Now after thinking spies can't sab and it's just an addon, again he seems lazy. I will go with what you say the team should be. I believe you are town.
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@ILikePie5
Supa didn’t even know who went on the mission and that spies can sabotage, which is literally the purpose of the game.
that was afterwards.
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@whiteflame
sab was smart by Earth, idk what the debate is. What's dumb by Earth is doing so super inactive after it. I'm going to succeed in resistance-telling now, thanks to his incompetence as a spy in the typing arena.
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@Stephen
The answer to your question is yes, it is. However, I'm unclear specifically to which persecution you're referring
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