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@Intelligence_06
Actually in Islam, it is a core teaching to be brutal to those who question the religion, stand in its way, opposed it etc etc.
It is 0% a fundamental teaching to love your fellow human.
It is, in fact, the only official religion that is built upon combat and violence as core teachings.
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I'm not gonna make an excuse here as I have, for a long time, said I agree that the guy has dementia.
I really cringed with/for Jill there, she really tried her best to help her husband for his entire presidency and this is just when it's gone too far to hide it.
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Lol, typical leftist sheep goes full retard ad-hom
I wonder if you know what ad-hom is.
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@whiteflame
Don't put Supa on your team pls, I think it's Earth and him agreeing to troll, at this point.
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@Vader
You just gamethrew no matter which side you're on. I seriously would be furious if you were spy with me rn.
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@Vader
RM and Earth? both?
You are really something else.
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
If you both are resistance and truly res-read me, follow this:
- Vote no here no matter what team Supa comes up with pretty much
- Make the next team be Whiteflame me and Oro or Whiteflame me and Pie.
I am not certain it's WF and not Supa but I need to truly take into account Supa's behaviour and how he voted no.
There is just no way WF won't put himself on the team so thus, this is the best solution from my perspective and he did vote yes after all which was risky if Supa would hammer 'yes'. It is a decent gambit since Supa had revealed he's inclined to vote no but WF isn't a gambit-hungry player in general so I think this is the solid way to play this out.
if oromagi or supa votes no to WF's team as Resistance, they gamethrow because 5 no's is autoloss for Resistance.
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@ILikePie5
IF EARTH HAMMERS YES IT MEANS HIS TEAMMATE IS ON TEAM
change to no, you risk being framed as do I now
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@whiteflame
Make the team myself, you and Pie.
Oromagi and Supa can't vote no or they gamethrow as you are the fifth no.
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@ILikePie5
Vote no to it. I confused and thought WF is next. Let WF be the decider, please.
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@whiteflame
Do the team Oro, Pie and you please. This is very important.
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@ILikePie5
change to no, if Oromagi and Earth is the team and Earth votes yes it frames you. change to no immediately and let whiteflame make a team.
Whichever between Oro and Supa is the resistance pulling dumb shit, I don't care at this point.
Supa said kfc and so did Earth but then Oromagi posts some nonsense about it.
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@whiteflame
Do the team as Oromagi, Pie and you please.
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@Reece101
Excellent point:
Who watches the watchmen?
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@Vader
You are hesitant to vote yes because of Pie?
Why is that and when did you change your mind about me?
What's your read on WF?
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@Vader
He didn't do it just because he's on the team. That said, at this very point in time I am either appealing to a spy (you) who is voting no anyway or somehow I have a spy on my team or a spy (WF) voting yes.
So, I'm not gonna appeal. Vote as you please.
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Oro and Supa, whichever is resistance,
This doesn't rule out both being resistance, just means if only one is.
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@whiteflame
I think if the third person is me, that Oro and Supa, whichever is resistance, will vote no and the other of course will vote no as well especially if they're a spy (which I presume is Supa for multiple reasons if you aren't the spy)
So, the only team that ends up optimal is Oromagi, Pie and yourself as was originally suggested by Pie.
This is unfortunate because I really want me, Oromagi and Pie but at this point I actually am more sure (more than 75% AKA 3/4 sure) that Supa's chosen team is going to be worse for us or equally bad (at best) to yours.
I don't think Supa is going to exclude you from the team, I think he reads you as resistance purely based on what he hasn't said. So, it won't help me much at all.
I think you should make the team same as what Pie offered.
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@whiteflame
If this ends up as a 'no', put a team with you and pie both in it and I'll vote yes whoever you put third (unless it's Earth).
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@ILikePie5
by trusting I mean voting yes to the team whiteflame suggests.
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@ILikePie5
If this ends up as a no-vote, I actually would advocate for trusting whiteflame over Supa tbh.
While I stand by everything I said, I feel like whatever Whiteflame offers as a team is just literally gonna be more useful than what Supa's going to come up with, which likely will include Earth on the team even if Supa is resistance as he hardcore scumreads me.
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@ILikePie5
He will vote no, look what he said before.
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@ILikePie5
We can't, Oro has voted no and we are forced to need to take a leap of faith now because 5 no's is instant spy-win anyway.
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@ILikePie5
You need to convince Oromagi to res-read you. Supa is inclined to vote no to this based on what he said before.
As for your logic, I don't know if in your shoes I'd be more sure about RM than Oro. I'd be suspicious of RM in your shoes a little bit at least but I do agree that Earth has been so blatantly scummy there's little reason to doubt it.
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@whiteflame
That is the single least likeliest spy team at this point considering where and when Earth hammered 'no' as well as how Oromagi has behaved to this team suggestion.
Why do you not agree?
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@Lunar108
It's called sheep-think, both wings suffer from it not just the left-wing liberals.
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suggestion with me following and saying I
me following as team leader*
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@whiteflame
If I am wrong about you, do you firmly believe Supa is a spy then?
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@ILikePie5
Oromagi as scum here wouldn't vote no to this or be this irritated by the team. I also would like to remind you where and when Earth hammered no both times.
Earth and Oro is a team that doesn't add up if we consider Earth randomly hammering no to Oro's own team suggestion with me following and saying I wouldn't add Oro to my team.
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@whiteflame
I didn't speak to Earth and I honestly hadn't considered how I'd coach him, so it's interesting that you've thought about this so much.
How else does one get reads in a game other than to wonder what they'd say and do in the other's shoes vs what the other says and does?
I don't have a norm of you in resistance games to hold you against.
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@whiteflame
I am not looking for active covering-up by spies.
My theory is that Disc himself will have subconsciously been sloppier with the Spy's bio and only wanted to avoid blatant discrepancies.
Pie's bio is the only non-orphan-type storyline, this seems so blatant of a sore thumb that I think it can't be the spy one.
Your one, however, has precisely the kind of monotony and over-similarity to other's, especially mine, that it feels like Disc wrote it after writing the others and just tried to make it fit.
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@whiteflame
On the second, I don't understand this whole point about Oro somehow "blindsiding" a theoretical Spy team of Earth and me. Oro hadn't suggested any agreement or disagreement with your line of reasoning against me before Mission One, which already led me to believe that he had his suspicions. In fact, several of you had laid out suspicions against me prior to this, so I would have been surprised to have been included on most, let alone all, of the lists for this mission.
Soyou would not advise Earth to hammer 'no' on the first team for WIFOM purposes?
Why not? Even I would do that if I were Earth's partner in your shoes.
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@whiteflame
On the fifth, I don't know what "moves" you think I'm making "very little sense" with, or why the lack of interaction sets me apart when I was hardly the only one to leave him alone during DP1.
Your logic throughout the game has been subpar, primarily with what you think spies will do with active vs passive moments. The most sensible reason, as a spy, for you to be pro-non-sab in outward writing is so that when it happens, you can say you wouldn't do it.
If you are resistance, I just think you don't approach the game aggressively enough or realise that one fail vs one success is worth more than long-term deception especially in a first game on the site without previous metas or things.
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@oromagi
Please think, just think, about why Pie said the thing you read as a slip.
What do you think 'over' meant? Why would he really mean he just was a spy needing one more 'fail' to win? Do you really think that's how he meant it?!
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@oromagi
VOTE YES AND I PROMISE YOU if it comes with a 'fail' result, I will take full responsibility.
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@oromagi
He is blatantly resistance and you attacked one of the most ridiculous things you could.
He said that for him 'it's over' this has nothing to do with if he's a spy.
It's over meant he would believe he'd cracked it, which is exactly the logic he revealed earlier. You voting no has doomed us I urge you to change to yes, I really really urge you this is the moment the entire game depends on.
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@oromagi
you've pretty much doomed us but alright.
Now we directly have to guess which of WF or Supa is resistance.
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@oromagi
No it doesn't, first of all Pie never ever would slip like that if he was a spy.
Secondly, he has explained why based on the reads he's most sure of that if this is sabbed he will conclude you and Earth are the team, I can link you to the posts where this is blatant.
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It doesn't suit the narrative NASA and Roscosmos want. So I also predict a no.
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@Vader
I am not a fan of this roster sign up. I don't like how Pie instant voted yes versus analyzing who else was in the roster.
Which roster sign up would you be or have been a fan of as so far you weren't even a fan of a team you yourself were on?
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@ILikePie5
I think it is like this.
Earth and WF is the team (the latter has had a lot of contradictory logic in when and why he predicts sabs to fake-pass missions amongst other things)
^ this adds up because of a few reasons:
- Supadudz didn't vote yes to Earth and me, I also abstained and Earth couldn't vote as he defaulted to 'yes'. Whiteflame votes on it and while it does make sense for him to do as resistance, it also makes me begin to wonder why the same guy who was so 'yeah whatever' there and active with voting is now a very hesitant guy who had to be coaxed by me to vote no to a team he should almost be 100% sure had spy on it (the Oro-suggested team).
- Earth voting no to the first team can indeed mean his partner is Supadudz. Sure, that totally works but what if it was different? What if he had agreed to hammer 'no' there for a lot of trickery, as suggested by Whiteflame to him (Disc said the spies have their own chat in the thread before this game). The idea was that either we interpret it as him disliking it due to Supadudz or him moving it along with wifom so that Oromagi could set up a team with a sab anyway (himself) if Oro and Earth are the perceived team. This went wrong when Oromagi blindsided them by leaving Whiteflame out of the team.
- Suddenly, Whiteflame went from quiet and laidback to full throttle active... Yet was stalling his vote? When I eventually asked him why despite his newfound activity level, he'd failed to vote no to the team, he votes no.
- So... Pie then votes no and Earth hammers. Pie either really did or alternatively pretends not to notice that it's hammered and changes to yes. However, Whiteflame never calls Pie out on that or questions it, which given how observant WF is, seems odd to me as he did bolden it. Furthermore, when I call him out on his bio having very vague references to fleeing where the rest of our bios had more specific in-between activity laid out and the fact that he was born into some level of aristocracy whereas the rest of us seem either poor or in Pie's case that we still have to grift to last, he says nothing?
- Supa easily is the spy partner of Earth, it's just that everything about Earth and WF firstly barely interacting between each other and secondly seeming to make very little sense with their moves, leads me to believe the team is Earth and WF
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@ILikePie5
He's advocating for (from his perspective if he's resistance) 2/3 probability of failure.
Unfortunately, to me, that is 3/4 chance of failure.
From my perspective, me on the team instantly takes 3/4 and makes it 2/4.
In reality it's actually 7/12 not 6/12 probability because my first pick of teammate is 1/4 and the second is 1/3 which is 3/12 + 4/12 and means in true game theory, no matter which methodology I run along this decision is still tough.
However, I won't go into the details of game theory and how this works.
Basically this situation we're in now, due to the first failing, is only at all able to remotely be sitting around half if I ignore that I'm framed and push myself onto the team.
I am very grateful for being team leader #4 as I feel I am in the perfect position after the 2 no-votes to neither need to cower away from pushing myself onto the team nor am I so late that I need to be too terrified of a no-vote as one of the next 2 is resistance for sure and is a hope.
I really would appreciate this passing though. I really think I've got a solid team here and that next round we repeat it after this succeeds and fourth round we keep the 3, add anyone and it's autowin because it needs 2 no's to fail (it's a special Round).
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