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@Athias
But if this is truer for any party, it would be the Left-Wing. They thrive on poverty and dysfunction.
Expand on what this means please.
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@Athias
Actually, neither wing wants anyone to succeed. Politicians thrive on over-dependence.
No, they don't. The less competent their nation is, the worse the nation they're leading and thriving in is. Thriving in a street brawl isn't usually better than being mediocre in a fancy arena.
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@Athias
How does the Left Wing exploit poverty more than the Right Wing?
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@fauxlaw
That first quote is an unnecessary misquote? He said if you don't vote for him you aint black, at least quote his ridiculous quote correctly.
Biden is an extremely centrist politician, barely Left-Wing at all on the spectrum. However, I ask you to explain how even that quite implied he didn't want equal opportunities for all to succeed
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Autism is a mental disorder, not a mental illness, there are a few fundamental differences between the two to do with how they affect an individual and how curable they even theoretically are (it is theoretically impossible to 'cure' autism, you would need to destroy the personality of the individual to do so).
People still use 'autistic' to mean stupid. The term 'retarded' is ironically more scientifically appropriate than the word 'autistic' yet people feel the former is ruder. Autistic people are rarely retarded, it is one of the only disorders where high IQ is actually a common trait (low functioning autism is very rare and when it is diagnosed I reckon quite a few are misdiagnosed 'intellectually hindered' people who are called autistic to save the family shame, I am not coming up with a conspiracy theory, I know some things about the field. I am autistic and my mother has personally gotten to know other parents of autistic people while learning how to raise me and I thank her for that. I will just tell you that some people who are called 'low functioning autism' are probably not autistic, but to save the family shame were diagnosed with it. I do not even blame the psychiatrists who did that, it may be the morally correct thing to do because people indeed are learning not to bully autistic people and also should not be bullying people with severe learning difficulties.
What actual low-functioning autism is, is when the social anxiety and lack of motor skills are so severe in the person it cripples them, autism is associated with high intellect and is the only mental disorder to significantly be associated with such a thing. OCD is the second-ranked disorder with regards to this, ADHD is third place, Schizophrenia is fourth.
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@TheUnderdog
This is also vauge as being autistic isn't really stigmatized.
Actually it was severely so and still is in very right-wing nations and cultures.
It was the left-wing who ensured it was not. I do not know right-wingers who contributed in any significant manner to the reducing of stigma against autism. Mental health issues don't include autism however.
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@fauxlaw
Who on the left does not?
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@fauxlaw
Oromagi would intentionally accept multiple debates from users he knew were going to get banned or were so spread-out he figured they'd miss rounds or post shallow crap just to spam wins.
Ramshutu spearheaded me being punished for the same thing, the only difference being that because I am so intelligent and observant, it was proven I knew this user would get banned with more assurance than Oromagi could be proven in his scenarios.
I have had multiple, at least 12, debates robbed directly from me that would have resulted in an elo-gain because of my honesty to the mod team about users. Many banned users got banned because of reports I myself made in the first place.
I even had debates that I made and the banned user accepted, deleted.
I say at least 12 because it was 12 if I recall correctly, yet due to that I became phobic of accepting new users' debates as I didn't want to waste effort on what would get deleted.
I wouldn't blame this phobia on 'holding me back' it's actually proven quite wise indeed as I study my opponents more when debating and structure things to make it awkward for their particular style of debating (or at least I try to) which I can't really do with a new user (or returning banned user who appears new).
As for this scenario, Oromagi has even personally refused this but he has had the fortune of his opponents barely ever actually asking for mercy.
On the other hand, David, Ramshutu and plenty of other high-rankers are provably assholes to opponents who beg for mercy based on time/effort constraints or who entered a debate on the wrong side because of a 'instigator is Con' trap or something along those lines.
The truth is I have indeed agreed to delete debates entirely, not just tie them, in this scenario with 2 specific people before if I recall correctly. I show respect to respectful opponents. If my opponent is a complete and utter prick, I neither show nor ever request mercy from them in this scenario either way around.
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@TheUnderdog
The lurking variable is black children are more likely to grow up in single motherhood homes, and single motherhood houses are more likely to have kids that don't do as well in school. They do tend to be more independent though, so colleges can give single motherhood kids an advantage, but it shouldn't be on the basis of race.
They factor in overall parental income especially for first-years. If one parent is earning a lot, they don't factor the single parenting aspect in much however that is a question asked sometimes for student loans. In America it depends which loan provider, they may demand less (or actually more, depending on their approach) interest rate if you answer that or may refuse to give you a loan if they consider you too high-risk. In social democracies where it isn't free to study at university, the loans are government-provided and you only need to pay it back if you earn a certain income level before you turn 50. The catch is that you only get four years of loans, sometimes five if you study through the whole way into Master's or if you study a fuller course like Medicine or Law. Why four rather than three for the bachelor's? They give one year leniency for choosing the 'wrong degree'.
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@TheUnderdog
This isn't accurate. The right doesn't care which race you marry or socialize with.
In every single race, ethnicity, culture or religion it is those furthest right-wing that care the most about this and those towards the left that care the least. Those extremely far left sometimes looparound because of their extremist mentality but those even moderately right-wing are already rather ethnocentric. I've never in my life met an exception to that rule. I've met left-wingers who are somewhat ethnocentric but never met a right-winger who isn't, ever. They try to hide it if they're polite but if you're observant of their life decisions and atittudes overall, they are ethnocentric.
Both wings want foreigners to learn the local language but it's true to say that left-wingers are more accepting of extreme accents and language barriers.
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You mean assilimination, which is something the right promotes more than the left as the left prefers, "multiculturalism" which leads to different cultures in a country which leads to separatist movements, which can cause a war which the left is against, but multiculturalism can lead to wars for independence on cultural grounds. This is how Austria Hungary broke up.
You are wrong. The Right has never and will never properly support assimilation. Whether they are the invading culture or the welcoming culture, the Right Wing sipprot segregation and isolation, especially in marriage and socialising.
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@TheUnderdog
Yoy do know affirmative action isn't solely racial right? It also covers income levels within caucasians, sexes (not genders, sexes which is important to know as a trans woman counts as a male, or should do, since it's sexism being battled not genderism, transphobia is a separate metric in affirmative action), the disabled or mentally disordered and such.
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@TheUnderdog
Black people and other minorities should not have advantages in the college process on the basis of race. They got to earn it like everyone else.
They had/have a disadvantage in their earlier years, education-wise and extracurricular-wise to compensate for. This carries through to college and through to the working world (where actually racism itself in the hiring and promotion process needs to be stamped out on top of disadvantages).
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@ILikePie5
Thanks for your worthwhile input.
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@TheUnderdog
So, it reduces until they stop? Or?
I didn't just mean handouts by this thread's title. I meant affirmative action, encouraging cultures to intermingle, fighting against discrimination of many kinds, reducing the stigma on mental health and things along those lines.
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@TheUnderdog
Now you are actually harassing me, discussing the thread's topic wouldn't be harassment.
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@TheUnderdog
Yeah, I'm not unblocking you.
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If you lose arguments to someone who forfeited a Round, it's your fault not theirs.
It beats me why forfeiting is seen as bad conduct when you're making life easier for your opponent.
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@TheUnderdog
Then give pushback.
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@TheUnderdog
I didn't address it to anyone.
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I agree to the idea that 'innocent before proven guilty' shouldn't be an absolute. In law it should but not as an absolute trend society applies to anyone accused of rape.
If someone is truly accusing someone of something that serious, we shouldn't stigmatise it because a select few fake it. It's much more important that genuine victims feel easier and more comfortable coming forward than they currently are.
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@TheUnderdog
This has nothing to do with you anyway.
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@bmdrocks21
Your second paragraph is extremely presumptive and disgusting.
Firstly, what happened to Floyd is absolutely tragic regardless of who he was as a person.
Secondly, he didn't drive or attempt to. The entire reason the cops were able to get there, let alone shopkeepers, is that Floyd was not doing anything. I don't doubt he'd have ended up driving non-sober but not at the peak of his high.
Thirdly, people like you are what's even wrong with what we're doing to Chauvin. We have a society and world where we throw people in cages to torment and abuse each other, expecting them to come out better human beings. Floyd needed help, both to become sober and perhaps for mental health issues.
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These are the facts. You can now proceed to spread your lies.
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@whiteflame
Can it start on Wednesday evening?
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Just to be clear, the difference between 2nd degree murder and 3rd degree isn't just intent but how directly your intentional actions resulted in the unintended death.
Only first degree murder required explicit evidence of prior intent to murder.
The difference between both 2nd and 3rd degree murder and manslaughter of any degree comes down to how truly intentional or unintentional the actions were.
If the actions are proven to be intentional and the linkage between the actions and the death are proven to be direct, it is 2nd degree murder.
If the actions are proven to be intentional and the linkage between the actions and death are proven tobe indirect, it is 3rd degree murder.
Regardless of the linkage to death, if the actions are proven to be accidental, it becomes manslaughter.
Within manslaughter, the degree comes down to how much you are to blame for the consequences of your unintentional actions.
So, actually you are in a sense correct here, Chauvin is technically not responsible for manslaughter, however since his defence claimed he didn't intentionally act to kill Floyd in that situation, he screwed himself over by justifying that charge too. On the other hand, his actions were provably intentional unless he claims a demon possessed him, so it didn't really help him at all.
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I fully believe in souls and the supernatural, however I buy into the idea that not all souls permanently remain, especially after anyone who knew them has themselves passed away.
I think that the aim of life is basically to cease any need to exist, until one is fully at peace with having left this world as it is, they don't move on.
I would even buy into the notion that rebirth really is a thing that occurs for souls that haven't yet found said peace.
I don't buy into the idea of a heaven or hell, reality wouldn't be designed for perpetual punishment or reward, nothing in our world implies the god who designed it had that kind of system of justice in mind.
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I am assuming everyone is able to watch the series in some way, you won't be able to catch the theme-splite solely from the fandom Wikias, in my opinion.
The theme-split is abstract to the point where you could argue the game is themeless, however after it is over, I will explain what it was.
The theme has 2 separate layers to it (actually 3 but one is very unlikely to be noticeable at all).
It can be anything from the following (or even something not mentioned):
- Stoic approach to gambling vs Nihilistic
- Passionate approach to gambling vs Calculated
- Willingness to cheat vs Apprehension
- Neutrality on cheating vs Singular approach
- Psychopathic traits vs Empathetic traits
- Deceptive demeanour vs Honest demeanour (matching the real self)
- Tendency to win when gambling vs Tendency to lose
- Having no clear allegiances vs Clear allegiances
- Embracing defeat vs Avoiding defeat
- Loathing risk vs Adoring risk
- Having ever participated in cheating vs Having not done so
- Having actively stopped cheating vs Having noticed it but consistently not directly stopped it
- Tendency to conform vs Tendency to stand out
- Having gambled and/or cheated on behalf of someone else vs Having never done so
- Having exposed cheaters at any point in the series vs Having never done so.
These are some core concepts.
I promise you the theme-split is not something as simplistic as Council vs non-Council or merely family vs non-family, the theme-split is something abstract. I have designed the split such that it is viable for town to accidentally correctly lynch Day 1 based on a false concept of the theme, this is to make it fair.
The same idea goes for the images, the images are not clear on what they have in common at all, I even made sure that the 4 town have quite a few exceptions where 3 have something in common while 1 does not.
There are 2 true commonalities in the images and they are both subtle indeed, requiring a lot of discussion. One is less subtle than the other.
There are 3 or 4 commonalities in images in actuality but the thirdparty has been granted 2 of them being the same as town with the other 2 not.
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This is what a superstar is: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Superstar
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@Earth
@Bullish
See above.
THE GAME HAS NOT BEGUN, this is pregame prep phase.
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@Lunatic
@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@MisterChris
Game has not begun, this is pregame prep phase.
The theme split is abstract, do not expect every character to stereotypically fit their alignment or even role (though some will/might).
The images you have been sent after your role PMs do not matter too much in the same way that specific sentences don't matter in a role PM.
You are 100% disallowed to link the URLs of images of the characters in-game other than the specific ones of the fandom wiki(s) as I haven't used them.
Treat the image you have like specific wording inside the role PM, you should feel free to describe it perhaps even more detailed than your PM but never show it directly, not even trying to draw it and showing that. There are one or two commonalities between the images Town members received vs what the scum did. This was calculated to be difficult but not impossible to solve, there are many misleading commonalities and differences. I incorporated this to give 4v1v2 Town a real chance at eliminating scum day one, this game is going to be cutthroat.
Lunatic is Yumemi (family name Yumemite, yes that similar) the Superstar/Celebrity. He is role-confirmed only, his alignment isn't revealed/naked.
The role (or flavouring of role) means he is essentially the role version of what alignment is to the Innocent Child.
Your thinking about the characters and setup can start now, let's use the time Whiteflame has requested as making it worth what I assure you is a complex/cryptic setup and theme-split.
This is officially my first ever hosted mafia game in history of debating sites, I am new and experimenting, please bear with me.
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@bmdrocks21
I want to see Thao get the correct verdict too. Read the six complaints against him.
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@Athias
Sure, whatever you say.
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@bmdrocks21
He didn’t know the health conditions and drugs in his system.
If you can't tell he's high as a kite, you should quit your job as a police officer. Drugs aside, Chauvin had 17 severe complaints of police abuse officially filed against him at the time of the arrest. Five is considered significant, he had 17, now 18 of course. I don't for a single second believe this man made a justifiable mistake. I am frankly fed up of replying to your bullshit Illuminati posts. Go fuck your bigoted elitist self.
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I have randomised both lists (characters and players) in separate instances and lined them up.
I screenshotted both on Random.Org with timestamped proof, I will reveal it at the end of the game.
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See here for all the possible roles, I have not gone for anything Bastard.
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@whiteflame
@MisterChris
Please see the above message.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Vader
@Bullish
@ILikePie5
Within the next 24 hours, I'll be sending roles.
Signups are locked-in now, including the time-delayed signup of Whiteflame.
The game will begin Thursday at some time, I don't know exactly when. Communication channels will already open though, everyone should plan ahead, I will be using MafiaScum roles.
Please have a Discord account ready, don't just hope you're non-communicating.
The setup will be 4v1v2
It is balanced, I am quite certain and have carefully ensured it. I will justify after the game how each alignment had equal odds to win.
5v1v1 is too townsided unless I flood with vanillas and that's boring.
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@ILikePie5
yes we are and in the meantime another player might join but we will see, also who has Discord and who doesn't? Is there meant to be another way for scum to communicate?
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@ILikePie5
Would you give out roles five days early when someone else still can sign up?
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@zedvictor4
Every post from you is more than a tad childish. Your reply to someone suggesting to include LGBTQ as a topic in PSHCE and perhaps history classes was to claim he wanted to teach pedophilia. That is a normal post from you, you do absolutely nothing other than sadistically troll users you see as easy targets. It's fucking pathetic to see.
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@bmdrocks21
Extremely unreasonable, yes.
It is due to Floyd's raw strength and size that he even lasted longer than a minute. Try the same thing on a smaller built person and they'd be dead in 50 seconds.
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@bmdrocks21
No he wasn't, he was limp and silent, we don't know exactly when the life went out of him but he didn't appear conscious at all already by the second minute.
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@bmdrocks21
Have you ever had someone even slightly put pressure on your upper back or neck?
In UFC referees panic a lot when the fighter underneath is in a situation where weight is directly put to their chest and/or neck. If they don't tap out but instead go limp, the referee often cuts the fight out and starts the countdown for the fighter to get up and breathe, this is a specific example of just how realistically scared a professional who understands physics of human bodies and some medical lind of knowledge of tubes in the body responds and assesses a situation. Not one single onlooker to the incident has defended Chauvin except for one of the cops who was there (the one who 'stood guard' I dont know his name off by heart).
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It's 5v1v1 or 4v2v1, I'll leave it unrevealed which is the case.
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@ILikePie5
Why would I? Someone else may sign up.
Also I am debating over the setup still.
I could make it 4v1v2 with guns or armor giving town counterbalance against the high scum population.
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@FLRW
What is with people trying to be funny for no reason? Neither you nor zed made a remotely good or justified ridicule of the thread. It's just childish.
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@bmdrocks21
Jury can be wrong or right, I would say test it but you'd die.
If you test out for even 20seconds what Floyd experienced for 9 minutes, your neck would potentially already crush and the larynx+trachea spasm.
You got no fucking course what you're defending. I see you here making your edgy racist jokes, you aren't funny. Noone with taste finds your posts here funny. Your only contributions to the politics subforum are to celebrate right-wing bullshit and humiliate left-wing truth.
If you murder someone who has drugs in their system, you're still a murderer. For over 9 minutes george floyd had two grown men on his chest and neck. The one on his neck irrefutably was the bigger factor in the fatal suffocation but the other guy already contributed to one of Floyd's lungs expanding less but Floyd wouldn't have died from that had Chauvin not been where he was putting all his weight on floyd's neck.
Chauvin is seen lifting his bott off the ground at several points to completely force the windpipe shut. The actual thing you talk so much about (how big and strong Floyd was) is the only reason the neck didn't totally collapse and bruise. Ot is because he was so muscular that the neck withstood the abuse logner than any average human could, not shorter due to drugs, longer due to strength. You don't know a thing about medicine or logic when yoy sag he died from the drug OD.
He was murdered, I know that regardless of the jury being correct. I've seent he videos and heard witness testimony. It js absolutely ridiculous paranoia to say this is a conspiracy against Chauvin, the real conspiracy is abusive manhandling in the police force as well as racist bias.
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George Floyd panicked due to being high and having claustrophobia, he didn't do anything close to charging at the cops.
The only thing truly in common between the situations is that they've both got records that aren't admirable.
The crime Floyd committed was paying with a fake note and being high on meth and fentanyl, in the past he's done much worse but that was the crime.
How are you comparing that to Chauvin who irrefutably murdered Floyd when the gut was laying limp on the ground and saying he couldn't breathe, begging for help/mercy until Chauvin cut off any oxygen to him?
I'd say test it out but it could literally kill you. Chauvin lifted his boot off the ground so that the knee weighed even more down on Floyd's neck.
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