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I will explain more in 40 mins or so need some time to fully think and do stuff irl.
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@PressF4Respect
Bet do not fold. You're already investigated. Anyone who wastes cop role investigating you is anti-town. You have no reason to fold.
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@PressF4Respect
In fact as you were cop-cleared you may be the one who ends up untracked and if everyone clears each other only then do we suspect you.
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@ILikePie5
@Crocodile
Croc and Pie, please out your hands, there is no reason not to.
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I will update the chain reaction but to be frank this changes very little since you're not a PR. What it does do, however, is require you to be track-cleared by someone so id like the other 2 to out. It's extremely important. I will update with the final chain reaction soon.
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@PressF4Respect
As unlikely as it is that you'll hit anything (especially as I have a 9) there does happen to be a spade in the flop and the only other spade is my Jack. On top of that if you do hit the 3 or 9, no matter how unlikely, it's a benefit for town.
I furthermore note that you've already been cleared by a cop and unless you both are scum, that's fucking absurd to suspect. Especially since you thought there was some kind of CC between croc and dudz, it shows me you're not with Croc to a high degree of certainty (you literlaly VTL'd based on this assumption not realising that 3 10's is superior to 3 9's as a hand).
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@ILikePie5
flip-flopping on reads is a null-tell. I flip flop on the reads i'm unsure of all the time, that's how i flow to form accurate reads. I have clearly stated what I'm sure of and what I'm not sure of.
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@PressF4Respect
either can be scum easily and those are the two i would lynch in and not outside of today as well as want the NK on pie if he doesn't out cards with 100% certainty as supadudz is in the chain reaction so will be caught anyway.
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@Vader
Pie says I am scum for not budging on my belief, then says I am flip-flopping. I don't think he is coherent at this point. Why is he refusing to out his cards?
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@Vader
What do you define as strength? What good is being strong enough to smash a mountain to pieces when you yourself can be killed after a couple of hits? Sakura is defensively god tier, her ability to heal from any and all damage is unparalleled even by Tsunade herself (Sakura's ability to heal surpassed Tsunade and Kabuto if you analyse the situations). On top of her healing capacity is her immense strength when she releases the stored chakra in her forehead (a technique Tsunade taught her). This actually is a result of Sakura's healing making her require less Chakra and brutality to survive conflicts, so she always has some to spare vs what a normal ninja does and therefore can store it in her forehead's capsule. In the stored format it multiplies in strength over time but can't be instantly released, it needs a little channeling that's the price you pay.
Sakura is on top of that, extremely important to the storyline throughout but I'll say more in my debate.
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@Vader
If all 6 of us outed our cards (not just 3) I'd be 100% willing to be NK'd so long as the chain reaction in place ensured that all visits could be accounted for. We have 3 outs and all 3 who have outed have a pair, this is completely optimal to keep forcing outs with.
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@Vader
Why should I townread you? You are similarly unclear to me. I am making a chain reaction at night that ensures that no matter what tomorrow there will be solid clears and 1v1 unclear faceoff of some kind. If more people outed we could arrange this, even with everyone betting as we'd know who ended up miller and could use the cop to clear no matter what.
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@Vader
Let's ignore that I bickered with someone who had a solid townread on me. Let's pay attention to why I bickered and how I am living up to it.
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@Vader
I don't consider Lunatic a great player. He plays a lot but I see nothing much in his winrate or strategy that shines as great to me
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@Vader
No. NK outside those who revealed cards. To justify NK on me, you need a chain reaction arranged that has me 100% watched.
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@Vader
Croc NK'd Oromagi why would it not surprise you if he was scum?
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@Vader
That bickering between the two is leading me to believe it's one of them
Mafia tend to avoid bickering with town if they're competent. They tend to bicker with scum as a bus strategy.
I bickered with him to defend a card-outing strategy that I have shown I am dedicated to.
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. It does make it 1/4 rarher than 1/5 likelihood that I am scum from the perspective of others left.
This applies to townies left, not scum of course.
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@ILikePie5
That makes no sense. You being town doesn't increase the probability that you are correct about my alignment. It does make it 1/4 rarher than 1/5 likelihood that I am scum from the perspective of others left. If you out your cards and participate in the chain reaction we can force tomorrow to be 1v1 no matter who dies at night.
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@ILikePie5
And when they lynch me and I am town, how stupid will you look then?
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I am sorry, I keep moxing up JC woth JS I am not used to writing cards this way, I picture the colour/suite and the card. C and S seem to mix in my brain and since both are black it's confusing.
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Wait no I have 9D JS not JC, I made the same moxup in my post as before.
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RM: Tracks Bearman or watches Supadudz (if cop, investigates freely on someone guaranteed to not be miller from claims)Bearman: Tracks Supadudz or watches RM (if cop, investigates freely on someone guaranteed to not be Miller)Supadudz: Tracks RM or watches Bearman (if cop, same thing).If more people refuse to tell their cards, then the cop-move is free to be on people who may be miller if you have a strong scumread outside of it. This will hopefully force things to be narrowed down.Right now we have a 3-way system that can confirm 3 town by tomorrow or cast suspicion on one.Whoever has the NK, use it outside of these 3.RM - 9D, JCSupadudz 3H, ACBearman 10C, WRIf you happen to luck-out and get flush or somehow a fullhouse based on the last 2 cards, please use Doc within the group who revealed cards, not outside. This is extremely important so that no matter what happens our sequence can confirm one another to a high degree of certainty by the next day. If you have double vote, you don't need to claim it, we will know from the cards themselves and may test you as things progress in Day 3 but with people you trust least voting first.The cop role is free to break the chain and investigate outside but be warned that if you cop the person who happens to be NK'd it will fall back poorly on you (though this can be good as it may help a 1v1 situation). If you are Cop and also have the NK, feel absolutely free to cop who you want, just ensure that the NK is outside the 3.Sorry, fullhouse is popular, four of a kind is double vote. Both can and will be tested. Doc me please if you are doctor, I will doc bearman if I am doctor.
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@Vader
Croc is confirmed having NK on Oromagi. PressF4Respect is inno by Croc but I agree, despite me helping take down two mafia I may magically be mafia in an alternate reality.
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I am now, only now, willing tot lynch ilikepie. If he demands 1 for 1 I still will do it. If he outs his cards I will unvote.
VTL Ilikepie5
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Make sure your visit is able to be caught by the other 2 based on the algorithm.
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RM: Tracks Bearman or watches Supadudz (if cop, investigates freely on someone guaranteed to not be miller from claims)Bearman: Tracks Supadudz or watches RM (if cop, investigates freely on someone guaranteed to not be Miller)Supadudz: Tracks RM or watches Bearman (if cop, same thing).If more people refuse to tell their cards, then the cop-move is free to be on people who may be miller if you have a strong scumread outside of it. This will hopefully force things to be narrowed down.Right now we have a 3-way system that can confirm 3 town by tomorrow or cast suspicion on one.Whoever has the NK, use it outside of these 3.RM - 9D, JCSupadudz 3H, ACBearman 10C, WRIf you happen to luck-out and get flush or somehow a fullhouse based on the last 2 cards, please use Doc within the group who revealed cards, not outside. This is extremely important so that no matter what happens our sequence can confirm one another to a high degree of certainty by the next day. If you have double vote, you don't need to claim it, we will know from the cards themselves and may test you as things progress in Day 3 but with people you trust least voting first.The cop role is free to break the chain and investigate outside but be warned that if you cop the person who happens to be NK'd it will fall back poorly on you (though this can be good as it may help a 1v1 situation). If you are Cop and also have the NK, feel absolutely free to cop who you want, just ensure that the NK is outside the 3.Sorry, fullhouse is popular, four of a kind is double vote. Both can and will be tested. Doc me please if you are doctor, I will doc bearman if I am doctor.
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Actually keep who you doc secret, just make sure you doc INSIDE THOSE that revealed cards, otherwise the algorithm is pointless.
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Sorry, fullhouse is popular, four of a kind is double vote. Both can and will be tested. Doc me please if you are doctor, I will doc bearman if I am doctor.
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The cop role is free to break the chain and investigate outside but be warned that if you cop the person who happens to be NK'd it will fall back poorly on you (though this can be good as it may help a 1v1 situation). If you are Cop and also have the NK, feel absolutely free to cop who you want, just ensure that the NK is outside the 3.
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@BearMan
RM - 9D, JC
Supadudz 3H, AC
Bearman 10C, WR
If you happen to luck-out and get flush or somehow a fullhouse based on the last 2 cards, please use Doc within the group who revealed cards, not outside. This is extremely important so that no matter what happens our sequence can confirm one another to a high degree of certainty by the next day. If you have double vote, you don't need to claim it, we will know from the cards themselves and may test you as things progress in Day 3 but with people you trust least voting first.
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If more people refuse to tell their cards
I mean if people keep refusing.
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@ILikePie5
@PressF4Respect
@Crocodile
Please contribute your cards to the pool of collective intelligence.
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@BearMan
RM: Tracks Bearman or watches Supadudz (if cop, investigates freely on someone guaranteed to not be miller from claims)
Bearman: Tracks Supadudz or watches RM (if cop, investigates freely on someone guaranteed to not be Miller)
Bearman: Tracks Supadudz or watches RM (if cop, investigates freely on someone guaranteed to not be Miller)
Supadudz: Tracks RM or watches Bearman (if cop, same thing).
If more people refuse to tell their cards, then the cop-move is free to be on people who may be miller if you have a strong scumread outside of it. This will hopefully force things to be narrowed down.
Right now we have a 3-way system that can confirm 3 town by tomorrow or cast suspicion on one.
Whoever has the NK, use it outside of these 3.
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@ILikePie5
@PressF4Respect
@Crocodile
@BearMan
Out your hand, help us plan the night, thanks.
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RM - Tracking Supadudz, Watching self if SupaDudz doesn't have more than a pair (so that I can see him visiting me)
SupaDudz Same in reverse
This is the default. This is not the end chain-reaction in mind.
SupaDudz Same in reverse
This is the default. This is not the end chain-reaction in mind.
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tomorrow no matter what we repeat the hand-reveal process, if I am dead I hope you guys can read this process and follow the algorithm. Please more people out hands.
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@Vader
At the moment we have already made massive progress thanks to the revealed hands both being pairs. I track you, you track me. At the VERY LEAST we want to see each other visiting the other and confirm each other. This visiting of each other without ailment and perhaps me seeing you NK on top of that, will be massively beneficial once we combine other claims and investigations in. This is going to be flawless to root out the mafia if all obey and participate. I don't need to be the one who tracks you back but I would like you to track me.
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@Vader
Yes I did out a strategy to mafia if they are not you and have the NK but you claimed to have Ace, how likely is it that Mafia has a better hand than you do? This said, I will like everyone to out their hand. Hand-hiders will be held to high suspicion tomorrow.
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@Vader
You should track me back at the moment. This is simply the 'default position of what should happen' we should actually create a chain reaction sequence and can even risk everyone betting almost as long as cop doesn't target someone who ends up miller based on claimed hands.
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