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@Vader
Fate? A Sasuke fan complains about plot armour and lucky fate? LOL! I can't.
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@WaterPhoenix
I am the only person in this entire thread who properly replied to it.
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@Barney
@skittlez09
@TheUnderdog
@Intelligence_06
id like to confess that im actually an alt account of Pinkfreud08
- LC
I'm not against homosexuality for other people, but be careful.
- Alec
I think Pinkfreud had a personality similar to me but little cookie has a personality similar to supadudz.
- Also Alec
Literally Noone
No you aren't. From your behaviors you are either completely different from 6 months ago or you are someone else.
- Sherlock Holmes, 33 days later
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@Vader
This game is so different to normal. Scum don't win when equal.
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@BearMan
Repeating what other people say is your scumtell.
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Why wouldn't they hide themselves so we didn't know who the others were?
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@ILikePie5
Why woukd they do that? Conversion via yakuza aside, if there were four why would they force NL? Why risk completely losing the game if they don't get the NK enough? They only win when all town are eliminated.
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Bearman and me need to both visit croc who self-watches in an ideal scenario.
Bearman tracking supadudz who tracks me who tracks croc who then confirms i visited him is also a good idea (and I confirm that croc self-visited). In my eyes the ultimate concept here is that supadudz keeps an eye on me, bearman keeps an eye on either me or supadudz to give validity to both himself as that individual the next day and me and croc have a symbiotic role interaction that confirms each to the other as town.
The issue with bearman tracking supadudz is solely if both bearman and supadudz are scum together. They could falsely confirm one another as town but this is still fine with me as croc's self-watch will help me deny what supadudz may say about who i visited in the night phase.
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@ILikePie5
Now that you have revealed cards, you have no reason to stay hostile even if you think I am scum. You should tell us the plans you have in mind.
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@ILikePie5
I will even accept your 1 for 1 deal now but then what is the point of supadudz confirming me? I am willing to lynch you if it means that my death at night means anything afterwards. Even worse what if we lynch you and the NK is not on me, in order to frame me? The easiest way this happens is if the scum is bearman and if he NK's supadudz. I am willing to flip around the sequence to suit me being NK'd if you want. The main issue is that Croc is the one guaranteed to be watcher at bare minimum so I revolved the plan around him being both confirmed and confirming me as that is of course convenient for me.
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@ILikePie5
Okay let's say you are town and that you are NK'd. The next day who is left uninvestigated?
Even if scum can visit people and not roleblock them, there will become very obvious ways to tell unless the same hand strength lets them achieve the capacity to visit in the same nature as town and frankly I'd call that bastard modding and even then it's still fairly winnable. What we need to do is at the very least to enter the next day phase knowing who lied about their hands based on what goes down and if somehow magically you flip town and everyone visited each other as planned, we need to seriously question all the scenarios because if mafia is that capable to replicate town's visits, the only way the host/mod balanced it is by having only 1 mafia left (3 originally) with no conversion available so we're fine anyway, relatively speaking. No matter what there is no scenario here where people don't either confirm each other as town or scumread one another.
Supadudz is capable of getting away with not visiting me and this is one of the security holes in the plan but this is fine as via others confirming each other, he will end up lynched.
If I am scum, there will definitely come a time where I have no recourse or excuses left anyway. This plan can only fail if there both are 2 mafia here AND if they are so capable and lucky that they can mimic visiting without actions happening to the visited or whatever. The reason you need to be NK'd is that out of you and Press you're the only one whose never been cleared in any investigative form and only you two can get away with claiming you were doing nothing tonight in a true sense.
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@ILikePie5
That is not a scum tactic, you dont even know what you are saying at this point. In my shoes who would you want NK'd?
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if I am tracker and bearman is watcher, I track bearman who watches croc, this is still fine as supadudz holds me accountable. i know i may have said we both visit croc before, it's irrelevant. this is basically 100% secure assuming maf don't get the same role FOR THE SAME HAND as town does
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If it's a crazy scenario where bps and cops happen, just know that Supa is meant to track or cop me 100% of the scenarios, the rest should follow. If Supa dies I know I will be held under suspicion, this is something I fully accept and the person who didn't NK Pie will have to explain.
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For Croc to become BP, Bearman has to become Cop in all scenarios except if a 10 shows on top of the card. If Croc is BP and BEarman is Cop, bearman doesnt cop Croc actually, that should be obvious, instead I am copped or whatever but this is a very unlikely scenario.
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If Croc becomes BP and fullhouse is achieved, if it's achieved, many roles will become chaotic. If it is a cop-heavy mix by a wild turn and/or river, you follow the algorithm of tracking but apply it to your cop-role.
If Croc becomes BP via a Jack (I say 'a jack' as replicas are possible but it probably should only be the heart that shows up) then I will have become Cop (or BP depending if a 9 shows). If I am BP on top of him idk what to say, feel free to NK-test me Croc.
YES i GOT It
IF MANY PEOPLE WOULD BECOME BP, I WANT TO BE BP-TESTED by the superior fullhouse (as my fullhouse will be the inferior one probably). I mean in such a chaotic scenario what we want is any cops to follow the tracking algorithm or investigate Pie. Either way works, it literally doesn't matter. NK is used to test the inferior-fullhouse BP by the superior one.
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If I become watcher and Bearman + Supa remain trackers, I watch Croc, Croc watches himself, Supa tracks me and Bearman tracks Croc. The reason Bearman tracks Croc is so that even if Croc OR ME dies it doesn't matter there will be a 2-way town confirmation, potentially 3-way.
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Croc can then confirm that he was visited by someone and that that person is probably town since the visit neither roleblocked him or whatever. The NK from Croc should be on PIe in the scenario that Bearman becomes watcher.
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Croc has to be seen visiting himself to 100% confirm him as town. He is almost definitely town at this point but if he has the hand he claims (which is extreme claim as it's probably the NK hand) he is so easy to confirm as with that hand if he is able to visit himself and also NK he is almost 100% town.
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If me, Supadudz and Bearman all three stay as trackers:
I track Bearman, Bearman tracks Croc and Supadudz tracks me. Croc watches himself.
If me and supadudz stay tracker but Bearman becomes watcher,
I track Croc, Supadudz tracks me and Croc still watches himself but Bearman watches Croc.
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@PressF4Respect
Okay so you are probably not hitting your hand in any angle (as your 3 and 9 are probably not hitting a pair) if you happen to hit, you track whoever you want (keep this secret). It is important that you track someone you either suspect or who is being watched, because you want to be seen visiting them by others and this can help you townread the person who 'catches you'.
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If joker shows up, two aces show up, two jacks show up or whatever, the only thing that is essential is you DO NOT NK the person who has the four of the kind. They can prove the next day what they had matches their power but scum can do this too. The reason you don't NK them, is that they are going to potentially be lynched anyway if the other 3 confirm each other.
The only scenario where Pie is wrong to be NK'd is a scenario where there is a would-be BP with a hand superior to yours and you have NK. In this scenario NK the would-be BP without hesitation and use your power as the algorithm demands unless it's used on the would-be BP then use it on Pie.
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I believe that the only way this plan possibly goes wrong is if Press godfatherd his way to innocence on the original cop-inno and even then this plan is pretty airtight to make it a 1v1 the next day.
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This plan is not designed to catch scum in an active manner, it is designed to confirm town in a defensive manner where scum will be narrowed down to extreme degrees as they cant backtrack what their hand was the next day.
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Almost no other scenario will happen but it can. In the scenario where Bearman is cop, he will investigate Supadudz. All else remains the same.
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Okay here is the end algorithm:
- Croc watches himself or Cops Pie if he lacks the NK in that scenario. If he has the NK he cops Pie and NKs whoever he wants but it cannot be me if I am watcher as we are going to confirm each other (he is watching himself to make sure I visit him)
- If both me and bearman stay as trackers, I track Bearman who tracks Croc. He confirms Croc using his roles 100% as intended. Croc is free to switch around what he does and NK Pie while cop-investigating someone else, this is entirely his perogative if he has NK. The important part is he must 100% be confirmable to those remaining alive and not use his NK in any other way.
- Supadudz must track me. He must watch Bearman if he's watcher which is almost only going to happen if weird as hell situations happen on the turn and river.
- If Supadudz is watcher, it means that a jack or a three or a seven showed up. This means that either I am cop or things remain the same. If I am cop I will cop-investigate Bearman and if I am cop Croc must use the NK on Pie 100%
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We NK Pie in all scenarios other than me being BP. In the scenario where Bearman is BP we still NK Pie and I track him to make sure his only visit is to Pie. The problem is also that BP will be unable to self-NK, which I just realised as typing this.
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I track Bearman who tracks Croc if we both are tracker, I watch Croc who is tracked by Bearman if this is the scenario.
Supadudz is almost 100% staying as Tracker (unless the othe rjoker shows up) and his job is to track me and only that. If he is watcher, he watches who I will visit. This means if I am tracker, he watches Bearman and if I am watcher, he watches Croc. It is 100% essential he catches me visiting who I visit and that that person confirms not effects happened to them.
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I track him by default and in this default scenario if Bearman stays as tracker, he tracks Supadudz.
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If Croc ends up with full house, he is STILL to be tracked by Bearman, to make sure his ONLY visit is the NK he does.
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Croc watches himself. I track him. If I am not tracker, THEN Bearman tracks him. It is essential that it is seen that Croc visits himself and that if a NK happens that Bearman is the one to 'catch' it or if he has the highest hand it's important he visits Croc and Pie and that Croc can confirm nothing happened to him (like a roleblock or whatever).
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In the scenario I am BP and the NK, nothing else in this algorithm changes, I have designed it around me and Supadudz.
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If I happen to somehow get a straight as it's 8+10 that shows up, I am the NK. Only then.
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I track Bearman, watch Crocodile and/or Cop Supadudz. I do not Cop Pie and if I am caught visiting Pie (who is the NK in all scenarios for this plan to work) I am scum.
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The NK is going to Croc, Bearman or me (in that order of probability) The only way Supadudz gets it is in the strangest situation ever of the 2 remaining 3's in the deck showing up (both).
Anyway, the important thing to bear in mind is that even if a card shows up that is the SAME suite as what someone else said, we do not instnatly go 'phew we know scum no worries' in the night phase, we be on guard as this happened to Press on day 2 and is not a scumtell (assuming he's town and the inno is real)
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I track Bearman, that stays the same. If I hallen to become watcher, I watch Croc (who has to watch himself).
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It is extremely important that visits happen such that only one person (excluding watchers) visits one person. This is severely essential to how we confirm whose vosit caused what effect.
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Based on the cards and our situation the only likely/viable cop is going to be Bearman. Bearman invedtigates Pie as Pie is folding and can't be miller. Bearman is free to investigate outside of Pie as well, if Croc states intent to NK Pie. If by some odd luck Bearman also has the strongest hand, he NKs whoever he wants except for Press. Press needs to solely be tracked and I will explain why in a few mins.
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@ILikePie5
Noone has those cards, you may hit a pair. I respect your right to fold though. Now I will unleash the true power of town.
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@Crocodile
You can NK who you want out of me, supa and bearman. It will help if you say who first and if we lynch Pie so that everyone in the night phase is cooperating innthe chain reaction.
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@Crocodile
I am sorry for that it was a bad mixup that even happened again. For some reason my brain stoees JS visually as JC. I mix up spade and clubs sometimes in actual poker but there's a way to set suits so they split colour by four, not two, on a computer. I don't confuse hearts and dianonds though and if I actually pay attention I rarely visually mix them up, it's soemhow information-storage mixup mn my brain.
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Oh this is perfect we have a virtually guaranteed person who has the NK (Croc). Okay I have the full plan ready almost.
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We must lynch pie or croc for this plan to work, unless both out their hands.
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