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@ILikePie5
The 1 for 1 must be me dying at night, not Supa. I want to also see the cards and arrange things so my killer is caughtm even if they are town. We then need to make sure that the potential mafia claimign tracker on my killer are seen visiting the one who does the kill to ensure they really tracked etc.
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@Crocodile
He is lurking more this day phase than the last 2. Much more. Even so, I don't think he's lacking attention to the game. his contributions haven't been filler/fluff-post.
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@ILikePie5
No. Not at all. Reveal cards, lynch Supa and NK me after we arrange how to deal with the situation. I may have the best hand for all you know.
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@ILikePie5
Why not suggest the 1 for 1 to others and see how scared they are? Why do I need to agree to such a bullshit thing when I don't want to die in this game at all?
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@ILikePie5
Why are you afraid of 1 for 1 without cards?
Not only has the vote been won 4-2 for revealing cards but you need to understand that nowhere in this do I get anything for risking my life in some absurd 1 for 1 push for a lynch that I never suggested or wanted in the first place. If I agree to it, I want something.
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@PressF4Respect
Why I townread Bearman:
- When he was scum with me, I noticed not only how much he lurks but that when he posts he merely mimics others' posts and adds almost 0 of his own thoughts. While he's beginning to shift towards that on this day phase, the past 2 have involved him being very constructive and this is an extreme tell I doubt he fakes or is aware of. It seems when he's scum he simply cares less about the game (the opposite to some, this is a person-specific tell pattern).
- Today he not only agreed to the card reveal, he revealed his cards the day before and entered today knowing I knew he'd revealed them. He also know I knew he'd folded as it was me who told him to that day. He therefore never once replied to anyone asking what cards he had and paid full attention to me referring to it. While this baton-passing 'talk for me' attitude can be scummy for some, his attention level to cross-day knowledge of others and stuff they'd said to him and what they'd do based on that is something that screams town to me. He also got the guilty on Speedrace, right? He's not the type to bus, he had a lot of difficulty in the game I was scum with him to even contemplate why bussing can be a smart move. This may have evolved though and is barely a factor in my read, which tells you how much he's towntold outside of that.
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@ILikePie5
There is absolutely a string attached, I want card-reveal as the bargaining chip that makes me agree.
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@PressF4Respect
Please contribute to this thread. Your input is necessary.
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@BearMan
Process of elimination combined with him constantly lying about his reasoning and positions on things. On top of all the process of elimination (that leaves everyone else more likely town than he is), is the fact that on Day 1 was a very over the top interaction between Oromagi and Supadudz that seems to have been a bus-relationship planned to separate the two of them in our eyes. Furthermore, him having the flush on Day 2 would explain how Mafia got a double kill and also why I didn't die despite him not being doctor. He almost did certainly actually have the flush, given he outed 2 diamonds that weren't fullhouse-activating and also weren't my 4D card from Day 1)
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Do what you want, I don't even understand what you are saying at this point about me, Pie.
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you can suddenly justify lynching
I mean 'I can' here, the 'you' is general.
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@ILikePie5
I am afraid of losing the game. If you are town and I am town, this is an idiotic thing to aim for no matter how satisfactory it would be to have someone as abrasive and irrational as you out of the game. I never support lynching 'anti-town' people if I think they are town. To me the game is simple:
- As town I aim to lynch mafia.
- As mafia I aim to either thrive myself or sabotage myself and get my partners townread.
There should be no third aim where as town you can suddenly justify lynching town who is acting 'anti-town'. You want 1 for 1 so badly and based on that currently it appears you'd be lynched and not me, I townread that aggression a lot. Therefore, I do not want this 1 for 1 as I believe you are town. It is extremely simple to understand. On top of being aligned with town, other than this fiasco with you not understanding why card-revealing is optimal for town, you have otherwise been very constructive for the town.
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@ILikePie5
Strings should be attached when only one party wants the 1 for 1.
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@ILikePie5
also why use the term 'shank' that is a violent threat.
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@ILikePie5
if we do card reveal on top of it, then i agree
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@Crocodile
No it doesn't. It has only benefits but the benefit to the mafia is the have a slightly better idea of what to do at night.
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@Crocodile
If you agree, do you agree we should out our cards?
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@ILikePie5
No. He also was against the cards outing until I pressured him to explain why. When asked why he was against it, he suddenly said he had said he was not against it (which he never said, in fact he still opposed it after agreeing with me on the benefits).
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@ILikePie5
yes he does, he said so. Also, supa's inability to answer why applied to the opposite way around too, it's why he switched.
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@ILikePie5
Supa albeit wishy washy is still on my side.
Why is he voting to lynch you?
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@ILikePie5
for 1 me. If we both die and are both town then town can go after Supa
This not only assumes only 3 scum but it ignores ability of the player. You and I ar ethe most leadership-type players that the town has left, the rest will be wiped the floor with if Supa or Press is scum and that's because they let whoever wants to lead them, lead them. Press still can be scum if mafia had a godfather role.
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@ILikePie5
I’m the last obstacle standing in your way as scum and you know that
No, if I am scum and this is 3-scum situation, everyone is my obstacle. I'd simply side with you, want town to not reveal cards and laugh at the disorganisation and how hard-townread I am by you. Instead, I challenged you and you fail to see how I'd never want to anger you as scum.
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@ILikePie5
Supa is on my side and Croc is on my side as well from what I remember reading.
Supa is VTL'ing you. Croc said he wants to lynch you tomorrow.
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@ILikePie5
I am willing to but I know you will say that is me getting out of a 'slippery situation', regardless of anything I want cards outed so we 100% get useful brutally 1v1 conclusive information for the next day if the game doesn't end after those 2 deaths.
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@ILikePie5
Oro always does this.
He always lynched Supa initially, it was not just the vote that represented a bus relationship. It was also how Supa reacted back at Oromagi.
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@ILikePie5
Based on your reactions since you came under pressure and Crocodile agreed to lynch you as well as you panicking as the vote headed towards revealing cards, you are either mafia who fully understand how bad the situation is for mafia or you are town and your aggression fits with your town profile.
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Supa and Oromagi had what I would describe as a bus relationship on Day one. It also may explain why I was kept alive, since I defended the lynch on Supadudz.
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@ILikePie5
If you could lynch one person today and kill another tonight who would it be?
Lynch Supadudz and based on his flip, the following:
- Mafia (and game keeps going) then I NK Bearman
- Town, I NK you.
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Pie lying is not a scumtell, he will lie about people he suspects to paint a darker picture of them as town, I have seen it. He suffers from severe confirmation bias.
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@Crocodile
So basically everyone except your inno report. Also Pie is lying about my reasoning, I am not trying to wiggle out of anything.
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@ILikePie5
No I wasn't I do think it's between you and suoadudz and that if it's not it's eotherva massive gambit bus NK by croc or it's a 2 scum scenario where the worst case scenario is press and croc both being schm that I'm willing to risk.
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In fact, to prove it
VTL Supadudz
Do what you want. Either out cards, lynch me or lynch supadudz. I can only do so much to carry town.
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@ILikePie5
I agree to 1 for 1 supadudz but I dont agree to lynch me or you today, we do it tomorrow or tonight depending.
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@ILikePie5
Based on your aggressive reaction to this situation, I'd prefer 1 for 1 me vs supadudz but even then I don't get why we need to risk it when we can just reveal cards and safely plan the night.
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@ILikePie5
Asking for everyone to out their cards without a need to especially when there is one scum left who can use this information to their advantage. Especially since they can cheat. Especially since we don’t know the turn and river. All of this is scummy af.
We will have 8-12, more collectively known cards for the town to judge their move kf foldimg or betting. On top of that, we guarantee that mafia cannot possibly fake who they vosited or if they can, that others get vindicated woth a high degree of certainty. Furthermore, we prevent retroactive convenience in the scum's ability to fakeclaim tomorrow.
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@ILikePie5
Nothing you say explains why it's a scum move. Thos aggressive play from you is your towntell so no I don't want that 1 for 1 it's useless when and if you flip town.
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@ILikePie5
I will repeat the reply to that:
I accept no plan that doesn't involve us all revealing cards and fully planning the night out. You can 1 for 1 me all you want, if you are town that's 2 town and 2 leading, active town at that.
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@Crocodile
Why should we not out actions first? Why Pie over Supadudz?
We must plan the actions and folding vs betting so wisely that no single wrong or useless result can come from town as fault of town's incompetent organisation. This is my plan and will absolutely happen if you all agree and we out our cards.
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@ILikePie5
You’re literally advocating a military to give their plans to invade a country to that country.
Currently, we have no plan whatsoever. I am suggesting we make a plan and the only way to make a plan is by that revealing process.
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@ILikePie5
You’re literally advocating a military to give their plans to invade a country to that country.
This doesn't matter when every move that the enemy makes is going to backfire on them thanks to the forced reveal.
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@ILikePie5
I accept no plan that doesn't involve us all revealing cards and fully planning the night out. You can 1 for 1 me all you want, if you are town that's 2 town and 2 leading, active town at that.
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