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User unvoted me, then ccd me muchlmuch on. This is hilarious if anyone believes it.
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Pie wrote a much more opinionated piece in my role PM. He described Tony as loyal and observant and said he's a great friend (which is odd that this was also innthe fake PM by User but it was in the real one too)
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@User_2006
Firstly you're breaking rules by pasting that fabricated PM, secondly you clearly have a very skilled partner who helped you write that. You unvoted me and told me you're with me. What the fuck?
Unvote Crocodile
VTL User_2006
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@User_2006
What do you mean you 'know it'? You unvoted me and are now CCing me???
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@oromagi
If WP doesn't die at the end of this DP, you know that he's fake anyway. Why would you need to lynch? Where's your claim? Why should we trust you?
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@User_2006
probable based on what? I have been roleblocked yet the bleeder was hit. I clearly claimed a main character and a power role, am cc'd on neither. Let's talk the probability here of me being lynched or scum.
I invite someone to dare cc me though, I will like the challenge and I do mean that. At some point we have to expose the mafia and CC's must happen.
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he unvoted me d2 I meant his early D1 as a separate thing.
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@PressF4Respect
While I absolutely understand that User can be scum, I want to pay attention to User's early D1 (not late D1) and how he unvoted me. He is a strange player who plays very 'burst activity' but this is how he is.
If he was scum, would he seriousy say 'I am on your side' or whatever it was, to get me on his side? I would never tell my partner to do such a nonsensical thing if you think him and I are mafia together.
If Crocodile is fake (which is increasingly likely now, including the fact that he rushed this lynch on me without even considering any alternative outcome despite me not hammering him Day 1) then it does follow that User can be his partner as User refused to join the bandwagon on Crocodile and also didn't join the Warren one (implying that he wasn't sure who to lynch, that his inactivity was genuine and that he was potentially told to 'hold back' with his vote and leave it on Speedrace).
So, I do understand that User can be scum, it's just based on others and how they've interacted, he seems to fall on the town side for me, especially after unvoting me.
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@Vader
Bleeder was hit, your roleblock on me has been proven to be non-nightkill-roleblock
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Also, if Croc really was doctor why on Earth did he self-vote on day 1 even when he was 1 vote away from being hammered?
There is no way I townread that, I was just deadset on Ani being townsided and now WP has revealed that an anatagonist can be town (and I know for sure he's town as no way in hell scum will out that to clear me, also he claimed bleeding bleeder which means if he survives today we know he's fake). If an antagonist can be town like that, Ani can potentially be a scum character. It's also possible that Croc somehow shot in the dark with that character claim, hoping to be cc'd as he predicted ani would be a power role as a big risk big reward kind of gambit.
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@Speedrace
I think the situation is this:
Town
Supadudz, RM, Speedrace, PressF4Respect, User_2006, WP
Scum
Bearman, Oromagi, SBO, Bearman, Warren, Cookie
I know I listed 6 as scu, it's the pool out of which 3 are.
I actually think this is even very parallel to my original reads pre-Supa-outing and only Supa being solid town has changed. User being town is due to him unvoting when and how he did, I feel a lot of town vibe from him today even though there's no specific thing he said that's towny. It's how he's doing what he's doing, I just read people that way at times. The 6I list as scum all give me scum vibes or are inactive.
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@Speedrace
Tbh after user unvoted, I am safe. It was about proportion and ability to slamdunk me with 2 sudden votes approaching.
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@WaterPhoenix
That clears me to a significant degree since tbe killing happened. This also explains why the bandwagon on me was so rushed.
VTL Crocodile
I am now sure of this lynch.
VTL Crocodile
I am now sure of this lynch.
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@Speedrace
Oromagi, WP and Cookie must be active for me to interrogate them, no?
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I read in mafiascum just now that watcher is meant to receive 'did not see anything' if they are roleblocked. However I received 'action did not go through', so before I am scumread for that I want to say Pie seems to be hosting in a way that isn't strictly adhering to mafiascum mechanics.
I am positively telling you that I was basically informed that I was roleblocked.
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@User_2006
There's no reason to votee so fast. None. Unless you want to rush getting watcher lynched for night 2.
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@BearMan
Like Ani and doctor and Zack and drunk? He said that I have the recordings, he also says that I am very loyal and observant. Did he use adjectives for you guys, like 'loyal' and 'observant'? He definitely specifically did this with me and it was something I wanted to bring up to spot fake claim role PMs if they lacked it.
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@PressF4Respect
No I can't, they aren't here and there's no pressure for those who are here to answer me, such as user, crocodile and bearman.
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@PressF4Respect
The rest are for Oromagi, WP and Cookie. Their answer will helo form my next questions. Warren too but he's inactive.
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This is utter BS luck by mafia. Had roelblocker not been on me, you will be doomed or forced to fakeclaim. You no-kill why??? To make Croc seem real? I don't know. This is fucking bs. If I am scum why didn't I hammer croc day one? Why did I defend? What reason?
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@BearMan
Wtf are you saying? I am a PR. It doesn't help anyone to lose me. Pleasel others talk.
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@simplybeourselves
@User_2006
@Crocodile
There is absolutely no pro-town reason to rush this lynch on me from any of your perspectives. Please unvote me solely to allow me to expose things, if I fail to go ahead and lynch me. I guarantee you that once the others have spoken, I can poke holes. I need them to speak, it is essential.
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Okay, here is my deduction so far.
Supa is absolutely his claim, I am mine and speed is his roleclaim (char not claimed). Press didn't bw me here nor has he in any way scumtold today, thus I still firmly believe his claim. I actually secretly was skeptical as I am a watcher so I thought why is there a miller when the investigative role isn't a cop? I hid this question the entire d1 and vanilla-told on purpose throughout to remain alive for today. I know what I am doing, though I admit right now I have ended up framed and in deep shit.
I need Oromagi, WP and cookie to speak before truly deducing who is scum or not im the others. Everything depends on them saying if they had any idea why noone died last night.
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@PressF4Respect
I am absolutely begging supa or speed to unvote as they've claimed things that eother I knoe are true (supa) or fit completely with my role (speed). The others are potential scum so I don't know what to say to dissuade them. I am in extreme danger of being lynched and want others to speak. Specifically Oromagi, WP and LittleCookie. Once all confirm that they have no idea what happened last night, I then will begin questioning based on their confirmed lack of information, otherwise natural reads will ensue without my questioning. User voted me just now but why? I am unccd Tony, the 2x watcher.
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@PressF4Respect
No. I need pressure off. Right now, it's a waiting game for mafia. They're waiting for the right opportunity to pounce and snap tbe hammer on me. Supa is really the role he says he is and after researching his character more, it does make much more sense that he's townsided than scumsided. I need him to unvote me badly so that I can ask things. Right now, I need to understand whether mafia no-killed or croc saved, there's ways I canake mafia slip answers if I am not the one entirely at their mercy. Right now, they can lurk quietly and just go 'yeah vtl RM' in more words and get me lynched while revealimg nothing.
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@Vader
@Speedrace
I beg you to unvote me until all have spoken. I would like to ask some questions.
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@Crocodile
If I was scum with Bearman would I not give more detailed reads to out than that? He didn't eben mention that Press was unccd Miller.
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@BearMan
Tony Padilla had video tapes with evidence on it regarding horrible events that happened to Hannah.
It is strongly made clear in my role PM that he only revealed the evidence once she doed and that is the sentence before he tellse that I the 2x watcher
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If bearman is scum why did he unvote Croc day one? I don't understand this situation at all. I would like others to speak.
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Why would the real doctor self vote on day one like Croc did? It still is a really weirdo mas mafia but I don't understand. I also don't understand, if he is mafia, why noone died unless to make himself seem realer.
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@Vader
You, Croc and myself are already outed. Speedrace, if really visitor, supports my role. Very few PRs can be left in fact I think a safe estimation is 3 PRs vs 3 mafia.
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Please everyone unvote me, let me at least expose a scum to town by answers to my questions so that my death means something.
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@Crocodile
If I am scum why didn't I vote you day1? IdI even mean at the ending alone, why did I keep defending you if I am scum?
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@Speedrace
If Supa is town, then I am willing to believe Croc is fake and just didnt kill. The behaviour of Croc today makes zero sense. Why is he deadset on me being scum? Also I don't think host tells Doc that they saved, I think it's done silently from the Doc's POV if Croc is real, what does that help to ask?
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@Vader
If you think you roleblocked me doing the night-kill, what other reads do you have as a result of that?
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@Vader
I would not do that. In fact all I had to do was claim a convincing vanilla char and role if I am scum, say Idk if you are real and hope I don't get char cc'd. Why the fucm would I claim a PR and even admit you're real and that croc has to be real if I wanted to have a bus situation? I would eother bus croc D1 for town cred or not bus at all, if I am scum.
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@simplybeourselves
I beg you to unvote and stall, let more people talk. Please let others talk, The reason I believe that Croc is real is that noomee died at night.
We are losing our watcher, make it worth it with reads or we lose.
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Croc is real and so is Supadudz, that's all I know. Supa may be scumsided roleblocker.
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