Total posts: 19,931
Posted in:
-->
@Vader
You are a roleblocker, you can even be mafia-sided. Whether you buy it or not this is the truth. My role PM says that it was the death of Hannah that drove me to reveal the truth. Handing the recordings to her parents. This is why I am the watcher.
I am aware that nothing in my role PM is unattainable from the wiki but that was the reason I was also sure that characters link to their roles.
Created:
Posted in:
It is true, I was roleblocked, I am Tony Padilla the 2x watcher and I was on Crocodile. I got no report, was told my action failed.
Created:
Posted in:
I am willing to out today, if we are going that route. It was just day 1 I didn't want to. Right now, we need to force counterclaims.
Created:
This is a thread where if you post in it, I will describe your strategy of debating to you in a comedic martial art metaphor manner.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
The enemy of your enemy is the friend of your enemy, if we play around with that saying's logic.
Created:
-->
@3RU7AL
Thanks for the bankrupt lack of any analysis.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@zedvictor4
@Dr.Franklin
you are not good
at collecting forum post counts from one-liners like Dr. Franklin is.
Created:
-->
@3RU7AL
@simplybeourselves
It gets harder for me to bother responding when I'm being misrepresented over and over.
That's what you begin to realise when you debate. Most people are only here to prove you wrong, not to learn nor to teach. Users like myself get a healthy outlet for that by our 'debating for sport' activities in the Debates section, we then healthily come to the forums ready to agree/disagree with users and still discuss. Sure, we do disgaree more often than agree because other users are wound up tight to debate with us but you will find that the users who debate a lot in the Debates section are consistently more capable of not actively 'fighting' when in the Forums section. 'Consistently' doesn't mean always.
I actually noticed that when users stop competing in the Debates section yet remain on the site, you can actually see the hostility and urge to debate culminate within them from their Forum posts.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Discipulus_Didicit
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Crocodile
Evil ones are easier to predict than moral ones.
This is a lie. Both are difficult to predict at their height because the one who does most moral good is often extremely fast and strong and uses this to protect and help. The one who does most moral bad/evil is often extremely cunning and emotionally intelligent, having many layers of both strategic (long term) and tactical (spontaneous) advantages in any situation. While MLK Jr. and Gandhi types can do good, they still need frontliners risking themselves for their cause for anyone to listen and its those physical frontliners who actually are more predictable and good than their strategic leader, who is using them as shields no matter how you look at it. MLK Jr. needed Rosa Parks to sit on that bus and risk getting beaten up, spat on etc. While Malcolm X and such took it too far the other way, it's not simple to say that it was clear-cut 'talking and persuading is kinder' because without the frontliners who physically exposed and risked their own safety for the sake of fighting oppression, the silver-tongued speaker who freed the people would never have been listened to by the opposition, in the first place.
Good is extremely physical at its height, since smart people tend to calculate how to get things out of situations to benefit themselves. While a very kind therapist or 'team player' type can be good, they rarely end up doing as much good as the 'heroic warrior' type, in terms of actual output to stop evil and push forth benevolence.
Evil is very intuition-heavy and extremely creative at its height (think about Hitler, Genghis Khan and whoever you depict as extremely evil) the very thing that defines a truly evil and sinister being is that the fact you can't predict the lengths it will go to or how it will go about getting there make it so very dangerous and effective at spreading evil.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Trent0405
Who said that? It's sensationalising and his source contradicts his original notion. Just stay out of a fight that isn't yours.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@bmdrocks21
During Clinton's era and Obama's too, things were getting better for them. Bush passively eroded away at everything that helped them (but not aggressively like Reagan did). From welfare to public education quality and just all of it, health insurance not being at all subsidised and all of that stuff. Yeah, that's an issue. Imagine being poor and getting sick or injured but you have mouths to feed.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Trent0405
Who checks the bias of mediabiasfactcheck?
Yes and no. Founded as Silicon Alley Insider, it was renamed and relaunched as Business Insider circa 2009, by Henry Blodget. As others have noted, Mr. Blodget’s life has been controversial (a good article about his rise and fall and rise again is here: Henry Blodget's comeback complete after $343m sale of Business Insider). But Business Insider has continued to thrive, with millions of visitors to its website. Its core audience of “bankers, traders and tech geeks,” wrote Ian Burrell, a reporter for England’s The Independent, “…is overwhelmingly young and male. “They appreciate [Business Insider’s] mobile-friendly and graphics-illustrated guide to hot stocks.” And writing for Bloomberg News, Leonid Bershidsky noted that the publication benefits from being digital-only, and that “60 percent of its traffic comes from mobile devices and 39 percent from social networks.”
This is both good and bad. Business Insider is known for getting unique and interesting stories first, as well as for compelling story-telling; but since it is aimed at a younger and more tech-savvy audience, its detractors say the focus is on getting stories first, rather than getting them right; there have also been reports of extreme pressure on its writers to turn out more and more content for the site. In addition, Business Insider has been criticized for its tabloid and clickbait-style headlines. And some critics have said the site traffics in gossip as much as it does in business news. On the other hand, Business Insider remains very popular with its target audience and has absolutely reported some important stories; a number of its writers have solid reputations. Thus, while it certainly seems legitimate, you may want to contrast what it publishes with stories from more traditional business publications like Forbes, Financial Times, and the Wall Street Journal. (Even if it’s the best source in the world, it’s never a good idea to only get your news from one place!)
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@bmdrocks21
They also have insider in their name and your stats worked against your original case which pretended that whites are poorer than blacks. Thanks and goodbye, feel free to reply Illuminati propaganda to this but I am not taking it anymore. You are blocked.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@bmdrocks21
No it couldn't and frankly you're lying out of your ass but you can trust your bullshit website like 'business insider' look at the name you don't even need to look further than the name to hear the bias and corruption screaming. Do you know why there are more homeless people in blue states? That is because of the opposite way around.
Also, after you just proved that the poor whites are in a Republican state (Kentucky), you then went on to realise that your first point was bullshit and disproportionate exaggeration by going into the fact that black ghettos in blue states are the poorest. Do you know why they are poorest? It's not at all to do with the Dem policies, it's to do with the federal level of policy and such being Republican for far too long in recent times.
On top of that, they ended up 'blue states' in the first place because unlike a trailer park individual who literally votes Reagan and Bush Sr. and Jr. (I'm sorry but the irony is too extreme not to at least smirk as you go 'wtf' to), the ones who are poor and actually care enough to research policy and perhaps their own ethnicity's history begin to see that the only ones who genuinely give a shit to truly make things fair and merciful on the poor are Democrats and vote accordingly.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Crocodile
Once you understand that determinism is at the core still random, you will understand more.
Free will happens but the freedom is not ours, it's the random generator of what is and isn't true at any given time at the core of reality.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@bmdrocks21
They vote Republican to their own demise, since their State is run by Republicans it makes sense that the poor are left to rot harsher, unfortunately for them their vote is hurting them. I am not laughing at them, I am genuinely sympathising with their 'trapped in a well they can't work their way out of' metaphorical trap.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Crocodile
I believe in both (but ultimately this means I think free will is an illusion and that the illusion is 100% genuine and not 'fake' because reality itself is illusory). I can explain if you want.
In the most basic terms I think reality is simulated based on a random generator. In more complex terms, eventually a god-entity was randomly generated and hijacked the random generator, yet left some variables random still.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Crocodile
I think it will enable third party roles via Orochimaru and/or Kabuto
Created:
-->
@3RU7AL
There was serious potential as a devout debater in Type1, he genuinely wasn't a full troll.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@PressF4Respect
Throw me to the Gulag, I will walk out running the place.
Created:
-->
@Trent0405
In the sense that they allow provate ownership of things, yes. In the sense that they let thw poor rot, it's a dangerous balance but they are closer to fairness than any other political system in action today.
Created:
-->
@3RU7AL
@Discipulus_Didicit
I come here as a pastime. Debating as a sport is a very niche and seldom-admired hobby of very few humans (and I mean very few). Those few of us who love it struggle in daily life as most humans loathe arguing, no matter how logical and right you are. For those of us, this is a healthy outlet and even the forums on a site dedicated to that tend to enable one to debate more often. It's like a 'vent' sort of like a very violent or hyperactive person can get from working out and practising a martial art.
Created:
Posted in:
pretty much all 3 scum is in those voting it.
or at least 2
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@PressF4Respect
You are definitely miller from this reaction (not that it wasn't already obvious). I like your reaction to this situation a lot and would townread you even if you hadn' t outed. Unfortunately, I do not crumble under pressure or rather I do it much later than a normal human being will. While voting is optimal, voting uncc'd doc is only optimal if it's truly done without me doing it (from my point of view) and with me explicitly explaining why it's foolish to do. This helps me know that pretty much all 3 scum is in those voting it.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@PressF4Respect
Result of the night will tell us a lot.
Created:
Posted in:
Crocodile has thrown the game for us, that's all I will say.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@simplybeourselves
You are not allowed to edit posts in these games.
Created:
Posted in:
I unvoted Speedrace in the first place as it was a pressure-lynch designed to make him talk and answer us. I didn't think it's less likely he's scum, I just nullread him overall and even leaned him towards scum but because of Oromagi, I didn't believe he was scum as I scumread Oromagi.
Keep your eyes on those 2, one keeps defending the other either directly or indirectly and neither attacks the other. There is some kind of 'I want to avoid the other' from at least one of them actively towards the other.
Created:
Posted in:
I am actually townreading Bearman for unvoting Croc and voting Warren, I am just curious why he voted Croc in the first place since he'd already voted Warren based on Croc being Doc.
I scumread Speedrace now and hold it possible that Oromagi was town the whole time and was merely very argumentative. Oromagi being town with Speedrace being scum was always viable under my reads, there's A LOT that Speedrace has done that makes very little sense to me. The reason I haven't interrogated him is a combination of me having just unvoted him after leading him (my indecisiveness will look scummy, I am self-conscious of that even though I am town) as well as me thinking he is town based on Oromagi-if-scum defending him and honing on me as to why I'm townreading Croc or leading on Speedrace. If Oromagi is town, I am sure Speedrace isn't.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@PressF4Respect
You explicitly stated that even if he were mafia, you still would offer him the chance to retract his claim. This seems like you're trying to protect him, regardless of his affiliation. Could you plz explain this?
To protect real Ani needing to cc and letting mafia think I'm real Ani, potentially screwing up any elaborate fakeclaim scheme they may be plotting.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Speedrace
Instead of telling me to vote Croc, why don't you vote Warren?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Speedrace
I am not doing that and that was the hugest scumtell by you all game. I am not voting uncc'd doc you will all lynch me next day no matter what if I change my mind on this. He is doc and I am a town role.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@BearMan
Wait, why did you vote Crocodile if you voted Warren after he claimed doc? Why did you change your mind?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@WaterPhoenix
Btw the role theme isn't good guys vs bad guys. I'm an antagonist and I'm town.
Okay, my character-alignment relationship didn't imply this to me but given that the show has so many antiheroes and antivillains, I am not entirely sure of the split's exact point. What I do know is that there is no way Ani is a corrupt character in my understanding of her.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@BearMan
Okay I understand now, you mean you voted Warren before based on Croc being doc.
This is what you meant by 'agreed to vote Warren'. It is still a strange wording but I understand. Do you also agree that Croc towntold by saying 'wtf' to you or do you find it irrelevant in terms of reads?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Crocodile
@BearMan
sorry, I saw his reply and forgot to go back and see the post. That is not a slip, I forgot as the images of you 2 are so similar at the moment that I mentally thought Croc had replied to me.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Crocodile
unvote yourself and lynch properly, otherwise you are working against town interest and frankly that is the definition of gamethrowing. You are actively and severely hindering town's chance to win, I am not just angry about it but furthermore I am finding no unemotional and logical way around directly addressing you since you yourself need to use your vote away from your own bandwagon and onto Warren's.
I also like that you said 'wtf' to Bearman saying he agreed to vote Warren, it confused me too and I await his reply. This is a towntell by you.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@WaterPhoenix
Please vote (I recommend Warren). We need to vote no matter what. If Croc wants to gamethrow and self and gets lynched at least we have reads on who scum is based on his flip. I don't want that to happen but we absolutely must lynch or today has been wasted as right now we gain next to 0 info from the following night since there's miller, implying that false vindication is part of the game.
Created:
-->
@fauxlaw
I know that, that's why I said they are social democracies and not socialist states.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Vader
Sorry for Croc to not be Doc and be scum. I am sorry that my wording was wrong, it is not a scumslip that I said 'Croc to not be scum' it is literally an issue with how my brain processes grammar.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Vader
Agree to disagree then (since either way Speedrace gets to host and the 'morality of mafia signup hierarchy' is hardly a pressing issue for me).
I still stand by what I said, hosting should only be ordered once multiple active users want to host, not inactive ones.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Vader
The only people who can have not CC'd and for Croc to not be scum are Warren, Cookie and User (maybe SBO but SBO seems to frequently be reading the game as it goes along and coming in bursts).
SBO voted Croc before Croc outed as Doc.
Created: