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@Crocodile
Okay, I am not Ani. Anyone who is Ani is throwing the game if they don't CC unless they truly trust you enough to do a roleswap which I think would be stupid.
That is indeed a really silly claim to make and I don't know what to say, you're now confirmed town and should lead a lynch, since you are outed on top of Press, nolynching is no longer optimal at all as all it helps is Mafia.
VTL Speedrace (I want to see him talk more and we have to lynch now).
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@Crocodile
Opera's 'built in VPN' is about as secure and private as your neighbour peeping in your window and then offering you a curtain that they can pull aside as and when they please.
Go with a solid company, Opera isn't trustworthy enough.
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@simplybeourselves
What you are describing in mechanics is a thirdparty role known as cultist. If the head cultist dies, so do the cult. What you are also referring to is a Mason but masons don't all die when the head mason dies.
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@Crocodile
That's a huge claim, you seriously claim it? If you answer yes, anyone who is Ani CC right now.
I neither confirm or deny that I am Ani until you make 100% sure that you are hardclaiming it.
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@oromagi
And if we lynch a PR we just shrug it off?
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@Crocodile
I already said it seemed like both were town and cross-examining each other. You are focusing on me why?
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@Crocodile
What do you mean? I am not Bearman's mouthpiece but I don't see where he was interrogated by Press or vice versa.
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@oromagi
How are you getting probability increase vs decrease based on players literally being AFK? Scum can be active, surely your logical system of reading realises that.
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@Crocodile
I'm not certain about any of my scumreads, only solid townreads on press, User and WP (de facto also on myself). Noone has truly scumtold yet.
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@PressF4Respect
That is because he is a very literal tjinker and is saying we have no solid reads to go on other than who lurked at first and arrived late. I don't agree with it but I also do think that inactives hurt games.
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I have exactly the same reads now as before. Supa participated but it didn't help or give any new info, he overreacted to a random vote from Oromagi and thus I still consider him a null read leaning to scum.
I default people to scum btw, the opposite of what Oromagi does.
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Supa, Oromagi blatantly voted you as you're afk because of the norm of random bandwagon on day one.
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I still think we need to doubt results if they're innocent (as miller implies the opposite is happening in mafia via a Godfather or something along those lines) but the results nonetheless let forced cc's happen and enable slips.
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I don't think we even need to lynch. Based on the cast of characters and dynamics being investigation-heavy (since there's miller that supports this theory on top of the show being prone to investigation), we should just nolynch and see results. Keep talking, but still no lynch.
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PressF4Respect (outing miller and character claiming instantly, also not grabbing the offered character all adds up to a complete
'complete town profile' I didn't finish this.
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bolded reasoning = extremely sure
Town
Yes, I read myself and my interactions with others will become things I bring up later to justify others' reads on me.
RationalMadman (I know he is, he has also been active enough)
PressF4Respect (outing miller and character claiming instantly, also not grabbing the offered character all adds up to a complete
User_2006 (severely keen to engage others, almost intentionally 'asking' to be investigated, reaction-tested and such. This level of engagement is rarely ever seen from a brand new scum player)
WaterPhoenix (engages me instantly, aggressive and ready to draw attention to himself, doesn't overreact to others saying he's sus, just keeps non-fluff-posting and contributing.
Neutral
Crocodile (I cannot tell if he's forcing his interactions or just genuinely didn't realise he copied Press's reads overall and also he's been engaging in a way that seems almost 'playful' but this is his nature so again I can't read it).
Oromagi (if he is scum, I am certain Bearman is his partner but if he's town, the neutrality with Bearman and way neither seems to read or engage the other can be entirely organic. The reason I don't think Bearman is town if Oromagi is scum is to do with that I believe Oromagi would have engaged Bearman by now in some shape or form especially after he outed those reads if Oromagi weren't partnered to him).
Everyone else I scumread or nullread due to their lack of constructive contribution or sensible justification for their reads.
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@Crocodile
you are the one who copied Press so don't speak of copying.
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I further note that Oromagi and Bearman list each other as neutral reads, this is common for scum to do as a default on day one, they neither want to clash nor buddy each other.
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Oromagi and Bearman are two active players who I feel are artificially contributing, meaning that their contributions seem forced, artificial constructions to appear like reads they want.
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user_2006 is my instinct-based hardest townread. He is behaving very keen and brand new players don't usually act keen if they're scumsided.
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Also why is Supadudz so quiet? It's possible he changed over time, I remember him loud as town.
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Why does Oromagi townread all those players in his 'read post' on the bottom of the first page?
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@PressF4Respect
*simplybeourselves
not alwaysbeyourself
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I am sorry I edited. I will take penalty if there is one, I edited 'PR or miller' instead of just 'not cc'.
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@WaterPhoenix
at the same time as being sus, why would mafia not counterclaim the PR or miller? Also, why would they not say "I am miller and here are the breadcrumbs I left to hint it earlier"? This is all pointless speculation as it is so early on that it doesn't look planned or situational at all.
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Given the theme, I will assume that 'appearing guilty' (miller claim contributes to this theory, not just the theme) and 'appearing innocent' are part of the game. I warn all to think twice before trusting investigative results.
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I don't know how to read user or crocodile, everything they've done would be done also by noob town as much as noob mafia. I also don't know how 'delicate' we are. What I mean is that in games where the town lacks saving roles and has investigative roles instead, you're better off all hiding whereas in games where it's easy to assume a saving role is around, it's almost always optimal to spearhead outs and cc's.
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I also scumread speed offering press the character claim but that further makes me townread press. Why is town going to 'offer a character' and not have the person forced to claim it? Why try to out his character and not have mafia cc it?
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I think that miller is a genuine claim, even though it is simply helping mafia know a non-power-role (non-PR).
I read it as a suboptimal townplay as he's paranoid about being investigated. If I understand correctly, miller appears guilty to investigative roles.
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@WaterPhoenix
People want to read the latest post and keep up with the drama.
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@PressF4Respect
This is my thread, we don't respect tyrants.
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@PressF4Respect
yes, I find a discrepancy between your wording of question 2 and what it means.
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@PressF4Respect
A constitutional monarchy is a benevolent dictatorship.
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@zedvictor4
It is not a democracy, nothing the populace says or does stops those in power staying in power. Just as with a real dictatorship, if you find a way to leave the place that the dictator rules, that's your way out but even that doesn't truly stop them being powerful.
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@zedvictor4
That's a good idea, want to break lockdown together?
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@zedvictor4
That focus is the cause of error in searching for a meaning to life. We begin to think we are not animals and forget that even plants are just as alive as we are. The meaning of life must be a constant throughout all life-forms, you will be blinkered and deluded if you seek the meaning only from what hollywood tells you to search for.
The saddest and angriest of us are just as alive as the happiest and peaceful. The key is that the most 'alive' of us constantly flow with life and change. You know that one friend who always was cool with the situation and knew how to adapt? They were living most up to their meaning of life. This is true in all species, in all situations. The one that best adapts to their environment and changes, flows etc. is the one most continually satisfied with their life and truly living up to it.
Change is the meaning of life, you can deny it all you want, it won't matter.
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you are willfully spouting out stuff without understanding your not an authority.
You're* and same to you.
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He is the most important because of the sheer numbers but when you actually look at key stats you see he isn't consistent. 65.22% win-rate. Looking at only his 5 most recent losses you will see:
Again are you reading what you are saying? I never debated your importance.
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@Swagnarok
Yet all websites where the moderation isn't corrupt, run on it. All fair and friendly schools (from the perspective of the students) run on it.
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you can be a great debater and not that important, you also can be a terrible debater and very important.
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@ethang5
The founding of Liberia in the early 1800s was motivated by the domestic politics of slavery and race in the United States as well as by U.S. foreign policy interests. In 1816, a group of white Americans founded the American Colonization Society (ACS) to deal with the “problem” of the growing number of free blacks in the United States by resettling them in Africa. The resulting state of Liberia would become the second (after Haiti) black republic in the world at that time.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
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