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Have a pleasant time without me, or don't. Either way I am content for that is the way of the Tao.
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@fauxlaw
Both of them are forum-only debaters. They mean in forum conflict.
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Back when everyone was bandwagon lynching him off of this site, I said explicitly (I can't be bothered to find proof, dig to the time and you'll see) that while he has been toxic, he does it to the right people for the right reasons at all times.
From Analgesic.Spectre AKA zarroette, to disgusted, to Willows, to Wylted all the way through to Bench. I have found that I have very common enemies with this guy because he picks on toxic trolls and exposes them, stating matter of fact what they are.
I made this thread to honestly congratulate him and say I am happy he returned when Virtuoso was made head mod and that he is a good non-mod troll-handler for the Religion subforum.
I don't care if I get told off for congratulating him.
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@Vader
The main issue is that Salixes/Willows is so easy to mimic that it would be easy to confuse another for him who simply made threads fast as well.
On the other hand someone like me is nigh-impossible to imitate well. People didn't believe I was myself when I returned to DDO a couple of times. That's because I am a complex entity, with the only notable trait being my severe intellect and capacity to produce high quality drama.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Lucifer was the adversary. The Snake was not Lucifer, just to be clear. In fact this is an OT cs OT contradiction in itself. In OT there isn't even a devil, the snake was wprking on behalf of God, like a puppet or friend. The snake wasn't Lucifer.
Similarly, Eve aside, the person challenging God wasn't the snake person, it was Lucifer. If you follow the atorylinez you will never deny it.
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@David
Let's say a user uses the account (or uses that account on their IP and then with the same IP on their other account does things) in a way that is vulgar, threatening, obscene, rule-breaking, law-breaking and such.
What legal documentation and clauses will you have in place so that the rest of us are not associated with their activities on it?
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@Seth
Most great things are weird, it's just that so are most terrible things.No they aren't, your claim is false.
Go ahead and list me things, people or ideas that you consider great.
Now do the same for terrible.
Notice that they are weird?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
design-quirk* not design-quick
this was a typo by me.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Do you know who God was trying to prove that humans would serve him loyally even if he was evil to them?
It was Lucifer, they just don't explicitly state it, follow the story.
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@Seth
Most great things are weird, it's just that so are most terrible things.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You are talking about 'what text does this' then if I display in depth knowledge, you go 'teehee but what text says this?'.
Boring, lame.
I am going to ignore your nonsense requests since if you actually follow the coherent storyline, Michael and Gabriel were both only called archangels as they were children of God specifically in a batch for that role. Lucifer was named as their direct bloodline brother and is described as being only younger/inferior to Michael, whereas Gabriel is portrayed to actually respect Lucifer in ways. It is possible that this was why Gabriel was the one to tell Mary she was having Jesus, since Michael had too much beef with Lucifer and even with God himself and the way he went about punishing Lucifer, to be willing to deliver that message.
"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
There is absolutely no way that this is referring to Lucifer. Lucifer's penultimate rebellion (one before the last 'I will rise above you' moment) was when God slaughtered a man's family, took his home and whatever else happened, plagued the man with disease and still was ready to punish the man for in any way losing faith in God. Lucifer wagered (and almost encouraged the outcome) that the man would lose faith and love for God the moment God revealed just how powerful he was and how much of a toy the man was to him. Lucifer strongly believed that people only 'worshipped God' as a hero of any kind because God hadn't revealed what an all-powerful villain he was. God proved him wrong as the man still had firm faith. This was the ultimate moment when it became clear to him that unlike the other archangels (his brother and the 5 yet to come), as well as other entities in general, God had made a design-quick in Lucifer's psyche that made him disobey God if it got in the way of what he saw as truth. The other angels altered their truths to fit God, in general, though Uriel was known to speak up to God if God did strange or rash things, as well as if the other archangels did anything like that. Uriel actually had very little contempt for Lucifer himself, since Uriel stood for seeing reality for what it is at any cost, while Lucifer stood for delivering that true reality to others.
You don't know this because you refuse to read between the lines and garner anything from it.
The entire New Testament portrays Satan as being Lucifer in hints because it is being told by Lucifer at a time when he is weak and desperate to get his wings and immortality back, God has him gun-to-head.
If you don't understand that, you are reading it wrong, it is implied at many times that Satan has Jesus at his mercy, not the other way around or that Satan is in any way unequal to God in true formidability and age.
The key thing to understand is that Lucifer rebelled against God by implying he was going to aspire to be above God or at least equal to him prior to be struck down. Once you fully understand that, and that Judas betrayed Jesus for no realistic selfish reason at all other than that Satan had commanded him to do so on his behalf and that the tribe of Judah are known to be the closest humans to God in terms of aligned goals and true loyalty, you will understand the symbolism of Judas being the one to betray Jesus and why Jesus forgave him and was okay with it. He knew how merciless God could be and how hard it was to not do the bidding you were bribed and blackmailed to do with eternal reward vs consequence, respectively.
We also need to ask what kind of delusional 'messenger of god' has verses like this:
The Way, the Truth, and the Life14 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many [a]mansions; if it were not so, [b]I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”5 Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.The Father Revealed7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
This is textbook Lucifer's personality showing through even though he was trying to accept the punishment, go along with God and 'spread the version of events that God wanted' in order to get in God's good graces again. This level of delusion and essentially equating himself to God and seeing himself as the 'truth' that even God has to 'work around' is textbook Lucifer, it's just so quintessentially him that there is literally no character other than him who does this in the entire Bibles, not even a single Jinn in the Qur'an does this (and that follows the storyline, you see I believe that the holy ghost proceeded to influence the Prophet Muhammad PBUH to think God was contacting him when really it was just a jaded fallen angel, and yes he also is referenced in Islamic terms as Samael, because that's his 'enforcer' persona whereas he prefers to think of himself as the godfather than the enforcer in terms of Mafia ranks).
It is not ridiculous to think this is true, it even explains why the omnipotent and omniscient God of OT would ever possibly 'need' or 'want' two new religions (Christianity and Islam) to 'correct the teachings' that the omnipotent and omniscient being somehow had errors in delivering the message of in the first place. That was sarcasm that I just wrote, clearly the latter 2 can't possibly be correcting or teaching the same God, it would never have needed correction or perfecting later if it was the work of the omniscient and omnipotent God of OT. Instead, what happened was that God of OT underestimated his angels, which have freer will than the rest of us as God likes to randomise their will more, and that is the key to understanding how and why Jesus was so capable that he literally founded a new religion all on his own, despite meaning to refer to the same God as in the OT when he said both 'God' and 'Satan/Devil'.
I can assure you, I know the storyline of the Bible, but no I don't have ready-to-whip-out scripture for each and every 'what text makes you think that'. It's all of it together in a coherent storyline.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
He is fallen. So you are asking me to prove the blatant fact that he was one of the three OG archangels (Michael, Lucifer and Gabriel in that age order apparently) that later changed into 7 archangels that exclude him from their title?
I can provide it, if you concede that you are the one who is lacking information here and not me. Don't call my bluff too readily though, I will floor you with my superiority.
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@Mopac
Lucifer would agree with you (no joke).Only The Truth sets free. To live in defiance of The Truth is to be a slave to delusion.
Anyway, let's agree that we like each other and I gave your goodbye post a thumbs up. :)
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@Discipulus_Didicit
All archangels except Lucifer have/had names that fundamentally run 'iel', 'uel' or 'ael' at the end. The reason that Lucifer is the exception is also, in my opinion, to do with him having many personalities throughout the texts. He is the mythological entity Samael, which is confused for being Satan/Devil but actually it is Lucifer.
Samael, similar to Lucifer, believes strongly in punishing wrongdoers but only when they have the whole truth beforehand. The Devil/Satan frequently over-tempts you into things you wouldn't otherwise even go for and capitalises on your lack of information on the afterlife to make you 'selfishly' hurt yourself in the afterlife in exchange for immediate reward. In fact, the way that Satan tests you is so utterly idiotic that I understand Lucifer's rage at it. God of the OT/Satan will literally punish you because he successfully tricked you yet he doesn't realise that the most prominent reason to be good if you believe in heaven and hell is an entirely selfish one!
Lucifer, on the other hand, believed strongly in the idea that people should be made to 'know' God and that if they are to be judged so brutally, it should be their entirely informed decisions on which the judgement is placed, not their delusions of no afterlife or vagueness in the matter of morality itself. Jesus strongly resembles Lucifer both in the suave, charming way he carried himself amongst his followers as well as the peculiar duality of being both suave/charismatic and yet being raw and rebellious to those who asked him to conform to them at all, if he happened to not agree with what they stand for.
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@Lunatic
Everyone else I talk to on Discord won't enjoy that and neither will I. Also, everyone on the DART server will notice it. Why can't you anonymously post on the Doc without any new Discord account?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
How much do you know about the core differences between Michael, Lucifer and Gabriel?
Michael opposes Satan/God because he believes too strongly in Mercy to justify God's wrath.
Lucifer/Samael opposes Satan/God because he believes too strongly in Truth to justify God's requirement of faith before evidence in his creations and how he judges their choices.
Gabriel opposes Satan/God because he believes too strongly in Hope and Positivity to justify Hell and all that it stands for.
Of these three, Jesus is closest (nearly identical) to Lucifer in standing and how he opposes the OT teachings.
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I am not going to participate in this nonsense, I would have to create a gmail account solely for Discord and for Docs use that forces me to log out of my other account(s). This will alert the Discord server which will ask me to provide a phone number (this has happened to me before) as I frequently use VPN to browse it. Then it will realise I am the same guy as the other account I have and ban me on both. That is terrible for me.
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It is against Discord Terms of Use to create 2 accounts, both with email (so not guest accounts) where you're regularly using both and communicating via them. Especially if the user joins any servers their other account is in as that is seen as 'traffic buffing'. You get server rewards as a nitro booster towards a server (your actual ability to 'give' to the server) based on how many are in it.
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I have tried very hard to keep my mouth shut during this thread but it has reached the absolute fucking limit.
Only an American, and I seriously FUCKING mean only a damn bigot from America who is taught utter vile beliefs and is indoctrinated to white supremacy and such can both say that the N-word should be socially acceptable to use, that Communism should be a taboo to ever discuss, that America should colonise entire continents 'for their own good' and that he is being oppressed and vilified for saying such shit.
Cannot fucking believe what I am reading, it is disgusting and doesn't belong on an intelligent debate website.
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@ILikePie5
I don't know how much you know about UK's voting system but SNP is essentially Labour in the vote that just occured (it was a coalition waiting to happen post-vote), if you add up the voters of SNP and Labour it was a solid 50/50 split and if Lib Dems have coalitioned and it went by proportional representation, it would have actually been a victory to anti-Brexit left-wing parties. The alternative to Conservative, that was pro-Brexit and right-wing, dropped out 2 weeks prior to the election ballot. This was a sneak tactic and meant that due to the seats and 'first past the post' determining the seats, Conservatives appeared to have a landslide victory as the anti-Brexit parties 'ate at each other's base' with almost all marginal areas favouring Conservatives due to this filthy tactic by the ones who dropped out.
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@zedvictor4
They are not opposed. Satan is God testing you with temptation and punishing you for your sins.
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@skittlez09
While you are probably sponsored by (or work for) an energy drink company, I thank you for the applause.
*bows*
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@ILikePie5
Do you think that losing means you were in the wrong?
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@PGA2.0
Both are loghtbearers. Both have a face that is part feminine in elegance, part masculine in chiseled features. Both are persuasive, rebellious and stand for justice as an end in itself.
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@Swagnarok
When discussing the devil's ate and power, it is always equated to God's read the references. The devil is said to be an adversary of Jesus, not of God.
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@Swagnarok
You are the one failing to carefully read. If OT God was real, then the omniacient, onnipresent and onnipotent being skmehow created a false religion of Judaosm for so many generations just to have to create a being later on to 'correct it all'.
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@bmdrocks21
Sanders said he very much doubted it. That wasn't a lie.
I would like you to link me to the evidence of her saying the lies, not of the truths.
I don't trust the Washington Examiner to be a reliable source.
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@Swagnarok
The devil is Satan, God of the OT.
Jesus is Lucifer, the angel Samael, son of Aurora and Satan/God.
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@bmdrocks21
Other than that one strange event, can you highlight any other time she has 'lied'?
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@Greyparrot
No but a lot of it is exaggeration, I will give you that.
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@Greyparrot
I appreciate how little you try to hide the shallow depth of Right-Wing shill propaganda when carrying out this satire.
The sad thing is you don't realise how satirical everything you say is.
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@Christen
This is a Survivor Discord-based game.
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@Greyparrot
When the alarm sounds for an actual emergency, it's good.
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As an avid conspiracy theorist who genuinely believes the Earth is flat, I must say that the conspiracy that power we have on climate change is false is only less stupid than the conspiracy theory that the Holocaust didn't happen or was in any way staged.
There is literally too much corroborated evidence to deny the effect that our emissions and activities are having on the climate. This is both good and bad, it means if things get too cold we actually could warm it up by carbon emissions (funny as that may seem, there was an ice age in our past so it's plausible) but for now we are heading too far in the other direction.
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Shut up, Warren 2020 end of discussion.
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@Swagnarok
Do you know that Jesus was described as the following
2 Thessalonians 1:7
and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.
this blazing Jesus metaphor comes in more in the Bible especially when he contrasts himself to darkness constantly as well as explicitly refering to his aura as blazing and his energy as fiery.
Lucifer was smited down and reborn as Jesus. This is an absolute fact that I believe strongly in. I am certain that Jesus was Samael AKA Lucifer, if the Bible is true.
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@TheHammer
It doesn't explain the Biblical proof that it even probably happened, it tries to prove that it's remotely possible.
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@TheHammer
What do you think it is saying?
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Anyone who disagrees is either ignorant or corrupt.
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@Alec
Do you know what it means and what using it implies you believe, especially if you're a white person?
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@Vader
That website has many holes in its theory, shall I explain them to you?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
The flaw in what you just said is that Eve was made by his rib, so she'd have to be the same bloodtype.
The key to understanding this is that blood comes from bone marrow.
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I would like to have a Christian on this website present me proof that Lucifer became Satan rather than Lucifer becoming Jesus.
Thanks in advance.
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@coal
I don't mean to pick a fight, and have bitten my tongue so to speak to avoid coming in when others would so it doesn't look like I'm trying to provoke you. What I am about to say is not something to poke holes, I comprehend that you're saying you're more left-wing than America's 'Left' generally is. Nonetheless, I would like to clarify that you in fact are a Liberal of the Leftist kind AKA a Social Democrat and that you are not a Socialist.
A Socialist seeks to genuinely eliminate monetary competition, meaning only status and recognition by peers and the public become the superficial means of rewarding hard work.
A Social Democrat AKA Leftie Liberal seeks to continually regulate and mould the competition and society such that there is never undeserved and overly severe drawback, especially not due to how much your parents earned, and never unearned and overly generous reward, again especially due to what your parents earned or snowballing interest rates and having inside information and such.
I would go so far as to argue that if the Right-Wing had their way internationally, insider trading would be seen as an ethical, genuine means of competing in the shares market as it is merely adding to the way that 'natural selection' can superficially translate into the field of economics, which they want to be the ultimate method of determine the worthy from the pathetic.
Where the Left-Wing vary, especially Socialists vs Social Democrats, is how severely they oppose economic incentives at all. A true Socialist would abhor any non-luxury item being privatised in any remote fashion at all (even if they competed in order to get the government to 'choose them' as the public provider, but they wouldn't necessarily loathe that, just be slightly unhappy about it). A true Social Democrat and/or Liberal in the modern send of the term 'Liberal', seek to balance out competitiveness with unfair burdens or rewards of any sort. The centrists don't actually seek balance, they are already enabling the rich to prey on the poor, it is the left-of-centre Social Democrats who seek to properly balance things out.
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@3RU7AL
If this is a satire piece preaching left-wing ethos about how ridiculous the 'I worked for what I earn' mantra by born-into-wealth people is, then I applaud it.
If this is actually trying to preach what it blatantly states towards the end, then I think the writer just got lucky in life.
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@WaterPhoenix
Out of those given, I find the one I gave Wylted of REF to be the 'best' to listen to. It comes down to taste.
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