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@WaterPhoenix
China's response was fine albeit corrupt and their cover up while it began has hurt the whole world and isn't anything to do with left-wing politics. Iran and America responding in corrupt ways w the poor can't even get tested or healthcare, as well as the entire Africa which is falsifying data to claim it's barely existent, are all to blame and highlight the flaws of crooked capitalism.
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@Christen
Yes socialised healthcare is good, what part is confusing you?
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@Vader
God cause it all innthe first place and those rwfugees are suffering under Turk tyranny right now. Stop pretending you're holier than them and deserve your comfort and wealth. Chicago? It's everywhere, NY, South Africa, Iran.
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@Vader
No. Not at all. In fact your post to my god thread shows how insensitive you are to all who suffer why isn't God answering their prayers?
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@Trent0405
Anerica is a right-wing nation. Canada, Norway and Denmark are left-wing.
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@Christen
Actually the directives in sociao democracies include not overshoppining, suggesting coping mechanisms and such to avoid depression and anxiety attacks while in the crisis.
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@Christen
The country has issues with healthcare because of fighting against socialised healthcare.
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@Christen
You're lying at every stage of your reply. The questions I already answered in other posts.
You literally flat out lie at the end of what you wrote.
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@Trent0405
China is a pseudo left wing tyranny. Thanks for letting me know that Now address right-wing nations.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
and that is where you have fallen short of understanding the real debate here, not I who has failed to understand.
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Rap beat if you want one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP-ql2P1uR8
^ Listen to it on loop as you read.
Coronavirus Anthem
It's another day in China, all is well as if they planned every step of how they'd isolate the populace, locked doors shut-em-up,
It's another day in Iran, government ignores the facts as they oppress their people, but what is up?
Oh, the elderly are dying and the people see in Trump's America the actual fucking fact that a Republic sucks,
For what good is arbitrary rights when poor are literally incapable of affording what it is they need to 'suck it up',
Right-wing bullcrap ruining the world, 'freedom over safety' like a mantra, translated it says 'freedom only for the corrupt',
Who the hell is free when a virus slaughters all the elderly in every slum in town because the people who were nothing more than sulky numbers puff their last breath of oxygen, not weed, and people no longer buy into the propaganda pumping fiction like a succubus will bust a nut.
This is real life fools, no more excuses for the lax tax,
No more 'we should be free to give charity' the clarity of the dead body in the sacks are undeniable, try to 'fake news' your way out of the facts, ass.
It's time for humanity to see that being right-wing is a crime of the mind, it's all 'we are ahead thanks to God, but fuck all who're left behind',
It's like charging hardcore for glasses and then passing legislation that blames the hard of seeing who are poor for feeling blind,
This is an era like no other; the elderly and weak who are poor are dyin', there's no FUCKING EXCUSE anymore, it's the time to become kind,
No takebacks, no bullshit logic, no twists and turns to unwind, fuck all who are right-wing for all they're allowing to occur during this time,
Thank goodness there are social democracies trying their level best to prevail and shine,
Helping the poor just as much as the rich, every human being given the treatment, testing, information to unwind all the lyin'.
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@K_Michael
The way this is achieved is that rarely do creators truly own the full patent (only genuinely independent/underground ones with no label or distributor own it to that degree). Thus, it follows that the label and/or distributor ends up being the owner upon their death.
With the 'fully owned' scenario, a legal will is necessary as there's no nepotism de facto concept with intellectual property.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Do you now see why it is pointless to engage the absolute joke of an angle they take here? Stick to the real topic, it helps them realise their flawed logic.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You are trying to make me feel something, perhaps it is humiliation, perhaps it is doubt in my intellect. Both have failed. To make it clearer to you what motivated me to ignore that actual angle he was taking, he posted this in the religion subforum. Are you meaning to tell me that I should address the religion of climate change as a serious notion vs atheism towards there being an ideal climate?
I am not concerned with your faith in my abilities, I am excellent at being underestimated.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
No, I pretended to not understand what he's written to address what he actually believed and was truly arguing beyond the BS joke.
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@fauxlaw
You can troll all you want, I am only here to make it clear that your trolling has failed both to garner support and to intimidate opposition. Right now the world happens to have an issue more pressing than climate change, until coronoavirus it was actually almost the single most pressing issue if you understood enough about the science. The second/first being income inequality and abuse of the poor and vulnerable.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I knew exactly that this was what he'd written by the way, I am not sure why you think I had to make it clear to someone who wrote BS to wind the opposition up that I understood their poor attempt at satire.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I don't need to read more carefully next time, he need to write less carelessly.
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@Greyparrot
The poor in Western Europe all have access to the TV for the daily updates, Internet not necessarily.
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@Greyparrot
In the UK updates and the updates in many other nations, the press are asking essential questions that are getting high quality in-depth answers.
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@Greyparrot
This is not a time to joke and if you are serious then this is a pointless comment to bring up.
Drafterman was always good with the DDO Elite, while keeping himself 'apart' from it in any truly obedient manner. His role as mod didn't hinder them, nor does his resignation help them.
You can keep joking all you want, the truth is that with this virus about, anyone can be taken away from online activity fast and it's not about the individual but if their profession is essential to the cause or someone close is struck, this is no time for anyone to be fighting anyone. Humanity has a common obstacle here, but as usual it seems only the Progressive Social Democracies are adequately handling it.
You see, it is not about 'division', it is actually about Right-Wing politics or ethics resulting in a brutally neglected poor and this is beyond just not providing healthcare. Think about it for a minute, the poor may not even be able to afford TV, Internet, they're probably out of work as most work manual labour or something similar. The only poor that still genuinely, securely have full-time employment are store clerks and any janitors in facilities being used. Stop pretending that this is a time to joke.
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@David
Unless you made a typing error, it sounded like you agreed with me. Every single other country has had useful updates (or in the case of a country like China and Russia they just got flat out dictator and don't do an update, they just enforce in general. Though I think Russia did both). Western European nations have had extremely useful updates so far, for some reason Italy and Spain are being hit far worse than the other Western European nations.
I think Canada is finally getting useful updates. The importance of these updates properly telling people what to do (not just dishing out stats and shoutouts to a person Trump works with in New York) cannot be overstated. Overbuying, hoarding and so much else is becoming a huge issue that needs proper informing to a panicking public about calm, clear directives on what to do.
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@Vader
The poor can't even get tested, let alone treated or saved. They can't even access a pharmacy that has sufficient meds stocked at times. It's only being handled for the upper-to-middle class. Trump living up to his fucking upbringing and Republican putrid ethics (meaning lack of ethics).
Honestly his 'daily updates' are not even informative.
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@David
With regards to the supposed real-life issues, judging from a very obvious current pandemic, I wish the best.
Trump's terrible handling aside, this is a nasty piece of work and the only thing to be grateful for is that it's not harming the young in any significant way. If it were harming the young even remotely how it's harming the elderly, our species and the fabric of society (including doctors with children being willing to work and staying sane) would break as we know it.
I am disgusted that there are no sanctions or investigations being proposed to the UN with regards to China's involvement in both SARS and this. It's time for a country with such irresponsible handling of waste, healthcare for its poor and such to finally be exposed for its many atrocities. I may love Taoism but China is far too Confucianist for that to blind my judgement or bias me in favour of China.
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@David
Upvoted. Who will replace DM or has there been sufficient ability for the other mods to handle forum moderation for now?
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@fauxlaw
You have only proven me correct. It is not only clear that you are dedicated to the tone of arrogance but also clear that you have no real intended message whatsoever as you reply this:
I mentioned no hoax. That's your charge. I said religious zeal. Zealots are where there are found. If you want to go there, hoax-wise, fine.
Since you are not fighting all the scientists and collaborated evidence from many different sources whereby the only ones opposing climate change with pseudoscience findings are people with financial interest in it (oil, gas, coal, general factory owners), it is clear that you're not really standing for it being a religion. You admit it is a scientific finding via what you've omitted addressing in your reply.
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@fauxlaw
Do you think that by calling it a religion and being so sardonic in tone, you have a shred more credibility or intelligence?
Even if you were right and this was a hoax, you're representing your side in the most arrogant way possible which is likely to turn away potential believers in your cause. Foolish move, if you ask me.
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@Vader
If you do take Supadudz's religion suggestions bear in mind that as one of the only members of the website who actually adheres to Taoism, I would like to have you name it Taoism and not Daoism.
Daoism is closer to how to say it but Taoism is the way it is actually spelled if you understand the Chinese writing system of the time. Their letter T is pronounced as a harsh 'd' as opposed to a 't'. That is why it is said as 'Daoism' more so than 'Taoism'.
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It is not hard to be a rational and intelligent liberal/progressive. What is hard to be rational and intelligent on any other stance.
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@fauxlaw
Actually all the nations that rose to the top of the world have had strong policies policing corporate greed and personal nihilism rather than going for amoral libertinism. This is why social democracies are amongst the single most influential in the world, with European ones in 3 significant alliances at once (EU, NATO and obviously UN like essentially all nations are).
The more uncaring a nation is towards its vulnerable and/or impoverished, the less other nations trust that nation to have accurate judgement and to care for the other nation when shit hits the fan and the alliance comes under pressure. No one likes a psychopathic nation, in time you'll realise that matters.
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I already told people to use Pixlr.
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@zedvictor4
the error appears to come and go
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But 'create topic' is able to activate after several clicks.
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The hippopotomagi has mastered how to clamp down on either semantic exploitation or 'this is just much more popular than your opinion' dynamic to make the opponent always appear to never have met their burden of proof.
He picks his battles cautiously but once in, you are not getting out of his all-encompassing engulfment.
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My God(dess) supports the cunning and smart ruling over the pressured and ticked.
I meant tamed.
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@Vader
Oh shit, I just properly noticed how this diffused the Greece and Turkey conflict... Interesting.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Because the symptoms, when compared with a very well known disease worldwide (since this is a pandemic of a literal global scale) needs to be an easy 'compare to' that can help all journalists and governments convey the message of how to think about the disease the average human being.
Pneumonia is not well known and will cause even more panic than before. Comparing it to a flu is simpler and also helps people think 'we are familiar with this' even though these are extremely unfamiliar times. This isn't even negative subliminal messaging, it's positive as the average human is too fragile intellectually and emotionally to cope with this situation. If someone close to me got infected, even though I may cope with my meditative tactics and being how I am, those close to me would probably crumble. At the very least what we need to do is ensure the degree of psychological torment and hysteria is kept at a manageable maximum. Thinking of it as simply as an ordinary flu that is just a bigger badder variant is the best portrayal to calm people despite keeping them alert enough to stick to the physical isolation. I would go as far as to say that if not for the Internet, this may have caused human extinction almost, as people just can't help but be social on a regular basis. At least now they can do that by video chats and such.
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I was wrong, the Google Pixel variants have good cameras on both sides, it's just that the disparity between back and front camera quality is severe compared with other phones, but both are decent at minimum it's just the back camera is fantastic while the front-facing camera is probably inferior to a Samsung's or whatever.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
We have been exposed to many flu's over our lives if we're over the age of around 9. Flus come often, seasonally and are usually similar enough to the original one we were exposed to that only our first 1-2 flus when either young or moving to a climate very unlike our former one do we have a 'hardcore flu' healing process.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Actually the rate of infection is inferior to the flu, it's just that the flu isn't lethal unless you are EXTREMELY vulnerable whereas coronavirus is lethal if you're only moderately vulnerable (when compared with the flu's exploitation of health vulnerability leading to death).
Also, the suffering is more severe than a flu because not only are the lungs and body more brutally hit and energy drain more severe, but the virus is so well known to be potentially lethal and the degree of social isolation going on, on top of how much MORE isolation will occur if you're forced to sleep 70% of the day and still stay away from any others you're isolating with, on top of the packed hospitals that you probably will end up in at some point during your recovery, mean there's psychological issues involved. People with hypochondria paranoia or microbial-phobic OCD are going to have actual panic attacks when/if infected or discovering one in their household is infected, this then means they may collapse or something and drain hospitals more.
There's so much to why this virus is debilitating beyond just how fast it spreads but you are wrong if you think this is so much more brutal in spreading than the flu is, what's different is that when a flu spreads there's some sick people, they take around 2 days off work when things get really bad and bounce back. This disease not only is harder to recover from than a normal flu, thus increasing how long your body has the active virus to infect others with, but it's got psychological stress on a tightrope attached to it that is having so many people on edge that the hysteria has caused far more to surround this than just the disease itself. This is actually less dangerous than swine flu was, especially towards the non-health-vulnerable.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Because they are referring to the symptoms not the design of the viral RNA.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
It is loke the flu and pneumonia combined into one disease.
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I think it may be to give Illuminati more control over us, since we now rely entirely on them for information and all our communication is now as barely any is in-person relative to before.
My God(dess) supports the cunning and smart ruling over the pressured and ticked. It's not fair, but it's how life is. Let us endure.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I puld gain little joy on proving it wrong. It's like saying Ramshutu will soon return, I don't think he will gainna shred of joy from proving it wrong. People come and go, I thrive when allowed to freely engage people's opinions and IRL I rarely get that chance.
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@zedvictor4
What the admin will ask here is 'how and when did it occur, when does it not occur, notice anything that triggers it or conversely prevents it occuring?'
Feel free to answer in advance.
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@ethang5
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@skittlez09
This return will surprise very few. Sure, you were probably thinking I’d wait to 10 days apparently (or just under that being the placement of ‘bets’) but I am back in 2 days or whatever.
The problem isn’t that, in fact I had ‘quit’ the website if you analyse my activity before that statement that I was quitting. That statement was an out for me. I have quit a few websites and games recently and contrary to what most are experiencing during this coronavirus era, I have found extreme focus and direction in life to evolve from the events.
This isn’t about me IRL though and I never want it to be about that. It’s a huge reason I was (and I stress ‘was’) addicted to this website. I no longer am addicted to almost anything. I have cut down how much I consume energy drinks to a manageable minimum, I am genuinely happy and calm (though I’ll never be a passive pussy type and everyone knows that) and finally, I would say that I have developed that ‘thick skin’ that I was told to develop. The ‘thick skin’ concept, in my eyes, is not about actually having thick skin to criticism and mockery, it’s about how you go about handling it after it offends you. The difference between thin skinned vs thick skinned people isn’t even that the thick skinned don’t pick fights alone, it’s that the thin skinned pick wrong fights far too often and go about it all wrong too (the how, not just the when, is erroneous).
I haven’t truly ‘converted’ if we discuss the epistemological aspect of Taoism, though it doesn’t really contradict my original Pagan view of reality all that much. Instead of there being a being evolving from a random generator (complex concept that I will explain to you later or you can go back on my posts and/or questions to find out), there is simply a duality in Taoism instead and it’s more like a creator vs destroyer, with the destroying entity being the more cryptic and feminine one while the creating entity is the more blatant and masculine one. I don’t entirely agree to this notion, the duality I depict is one of both a creator and destroyer as one random generator and that there is a controller (former hijacker, present genuine captain/mistress of reality) and ‘she’ plays the more feminine role as she’s mothering reality, whereas ‘fate’ itself is the more masculine one if anything, as it is aggressive, unpredictable and not at all mysterious (it can’t be, it doesn’t even have any logic to it to begin with to then uncover).
Epistemology aside let’s get onto the morality of Taoism and outlook it has on how to go about life. These elements of Taoism have, over the past week of my life, nearly single-handedly ‘cured’ my anxiety and depression issues. I am talking of effects to the brain you’d expect only after months of therapy and medication. It is about flowing and understanding that we cannot change a lot of things in reality but what we can do is embrace that chaos and be orderly in how we adapt to it. This even fits so well with my username, RationalMadman. If you honestly want to tell me that you think it’s a toxic thing to convert to and whatever else, that is your right to feel and express. I understand why it’s compared to Buddhism but there are significant differences that I will elaborate on in later posts if I find people willing to seek and understand it.
I have spent so much of my life fighting in all the wrong ways with all the wrong people when I should have been expending that same amount of energy in ways that enabled me to strengthen relations with those I am close to and which helped enemies genuinely respect (not so much fear, literally respect) me for the mature way I handle things and how I empathise with them even in the heat of ‘war’. Sun Tzu was a Taoist, he was also a war strategist, the two are not contradictory. I read someone saying that Taoism preaches humility but that’s a misconception of what it preaches, as opposed to a lie. Buddhism preaches humility and deems ego a bad thing, Taoism talks about toning the ego down so it is a caring beast, as opposed to just a straight up monster that you can’t handle.
All I can tell you is that I see life so different now but I haven’t ‘changed’ at the core level of my inner drive and even my taste in music shockingly hasn’t altered much at all, I just can enjoy slower and calmer music than before but I still love all I used to love even more intensely as I’m paying more true attention to it. I meditate regularly, literally any moment I can take deep breaths and just relax I take the opportunity until it becomes boring (boring isn’t a bad feeling once you master meditation, it’s actually what you want to strive towards to build an inner barrier of ‘boredom’ when shit hits the fan in life and your boredom will make you almost giggle at the struggle ahead with each set of obstacles). Taoist meditation involves filling your mind and hyperfocusing it, not emptying the mind. You can even think sexual thoughts, of food cravings you have and the approach Taoism takes is to simply make your addiction a ‘thing’, it’s just there and you fully are aware of it and accept it and say ‘hello addiction, I wish to work with you to make us both have a healthier relationship’. That’s how you begin your journey to lowering your dosage or whatever. Sure, you can go cold turkey if you can afford to be that irritable, it’s not about the speed or the destination but about your journey being balanced enough for you as a person to remain calm and ready for whatever lies ahead, at all times.
We spend so much time on this website ‘battling’ to prove others wrong and I still don’t understand why. You can’t fight someone to change their mind, the audience are not likely to change their minds either. I must learn the Taoist way of debating. Using the opponent’s logic against them is something that’s Taoist that Sun Tzu preached a lot but I am getting into more purist Taoism and not just warlike stuff, so Lao Tzu and teachings like ‘the angry warrior has something the prove, but the best warrior is never angry.’ To really take it serious, not go ‘pseudo-intellectual philosophical waffling’ but appreciate the deep truths of Taoism and apply them to my life and debating and just everything. I will learn but for now I don’t want to debate, to me it’s not fun and is toxic for my wellbeing. I feel no contradiction between admitting that and remaining here as an active forum member who at times will debate but seldom so. That’s my new MO and any who have an issue with it are free to enjoy my high quality forum posts as they complain.
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