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@Vader
But if you're the suicidal one, a helpline is as confidental and free in the countries that provide it (almost any country that isn't a right-wing 'pay or get no help' mentality nation will provide it but China is an exception, as is North Korea, because they won't let you do it confidentially). It's usually paid for with Charity money but in truly social democracies it's state-funded partially.
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@Vader
Not really, a helpline will only help the one calling. A psychiatrist will actively get help involved if they think the person's life and wellbeing are at risk. You meant psychiatrist most likely, because a psychologist and/or therapist are less likely to be able to justify the breaking of privilege over something like that, whereas the psychiatrist has a hippocratic oath that applies not only to their patients but to all human beings (and in the case of a veterinarian, to all animal beings).
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@Vader
The helpline is better for the one actually being bullied, not a friend of the bullied person.
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And in case anything is altered later, this is the verified page as is now: https://web.archive.org/web/20191018014648/https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2876/hall-of-fame-i-voting?page=3&post_number=74
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@bsh1
I unvote the Minimum Wage thread and replace with a non-vote (I checked with Bsh1 in PM and this is allowed).
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@bsh1
Okay, based on what happens in the OP I am not stalling this move.
I unvote Ramshutu and vote Mike.
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@bsh1
Are you still going to keep secret what happens in the event of a tie?
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@bsh1
Is the deadline to post 00:29 EST or 00:30 EST?
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Everyday should be this day, same with mother's day etc.
The key to ending bullying lies in making it clear that the truly humiliating thing to be, is a bully. This reverses their weapon (humiliation) against them. Once people are more terrified of being seen as a bully than as a weirdo, the world be a much better place.
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@secularmerlin
God has zero of the five senses to be experienced in the first place. She has no physical body. Just a persona and consciousness.
Reality was random, before God was randomly generated. At that time, things could randomly scintillate in and out of existence, alter their form etc. The sole reason why things aren't randomly doing that to any significant degree is that the majority is organised, the rest God simply may not care about or have total control over. My God isn't omnipotent, simply omniscient. God knows of the randomness, lets some be left up to the original "fate" but organises the rest. If she truly organised everything rigidly, she'd want to kill herself out of boredom, letting some be random is also beneficial to her.
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@blamonkey
You can keep feeling sorry for them, they arent allowing people like myaelf to rise up and take the responsibility, so it's not an undesirable role or power. They love their inner circle having it all to themaelves, Bsh1 laughs at people against him, after all you can't remove him frim power
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@secularmerlin
God isn't randomly reached, but was randomly generated. Theres a logical God who is part evil, part good that blatantly does exist. If there was no God and it all was just random, why aren't we randomly bursting, turning purple, having chairs becone liquid and falling to the floor? Because God organises it.
The God itself was randomly generated but the rabdom variable generator eventually granted a being the capacity to rig the random generation of what is and is not true at any given time. That is how God began and any reality woth organised logic and laws of physics, chemistry and biology became possible.
She is Fiora to me, but doesn't mind if you get her name and gender wrong (does dislike it but not significantly), Aurora refers more to itself (what was once rabdom) than ti the being who evebtuakky gained control of it. Fiora is definitely not Aurora, she was not present or activated at the dawn of reality. Everythijg is a sinulated set of 1 (is) and 0 (is not) which refers to absolutely anything that can and can't be trye at any given time in our Matrix coding.
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Do what you have to do, Ramshutu will end up having to do the same, as will Mike and even Virtuoso, if they want to secure their win I merely planned ahead.
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@A-R-O-S-E
When you say God, what or who are you referring to. The creator of our reality is in no shape or form more likely to be the Christian God than any other religions' God from a starting point, rather it is by reasoning and analysing reality for ourselves (individually) that we can ever have true faith in which deity with which agenda runs things, would you not agree?
You clearly do, as you already completely disregarded the entire reward vs punishment fundamental concept of your religion. In other words, you are an ex-Christian Pagan, in denial. This is not at all said to troll or offend you, it's expressing what i was saying in the poem. Thinking for yourself and forming your own theories on God and reality, as well as ethics and morality, is entirely Pagan to do. That is how you either end up atheist, deist or some form of Pagan.
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@A-R-O-S-E
Would you admit that in your religion, it's actually more selfless to sin with victims. So that you end up suffering for eternity, whereas they are (as victims) more likely to be less bad in the eyes of God and empathise with other victims and therefore end up in heaven?
In other words, it's more selfless to be evil in Christianity because you take the pain, so that your victims get the gain of heaven and being more likely to have motive to be good.
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@Vader
@A-R-O-S-E
Here is the PC version.
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This is actually the correct way of wording one of the major themes in the poem that has offended many here, I'd like an answer.
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@A-R-O-S-E
Actually there was a lot of positive effort and skill put into the poetry, if you feel insulted maybe ask yourself why.
I am curious which part insulted you the most and why it's wrong.
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@Greyparrot
Warren was never the establishment shill, she was the real candidate who'd get things done that they are rigging it against. When will you understand that? Look at who funds who.
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@Fruit_Inspector
I don't reveal things about me IRL that will help narrow me down to any significant degree. I am defending that animals and humans most certainly lack or possess souls to equal degrees and that there's zero moral hypocrisy or logical fallacy going on with me stating such.
If it helps, let me make it explicit: If a chimpanzee, orangutan etc. proved to be cognizant enough to vote to a degree of maturity that an 18 year old human achieves, I would completely support making him/her a citizen that can vote if they also showed loyalty to the community/society in some kind of sense.
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hipster cool man pagan!
Thanks for this strange complinsult? I am curious why anyone wants to identify as sheeping a religion, as opposed to working it out for themselves.
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@Vader
Pagan literally refers to having a religion that isn't rooted in conformity or 'official' to any significant degree.
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@A-R-O-S-E
Are you actually a Christian? Do you agree with everything in your holy scriptures and the practise of all priests? If not, why not just identify as a free-thinking agent that has nothing to do with some poor sod on a cross. Jesus died on a cross, let's say it all really happened. So what? He came back to life, helped his homies find fish. So what? He went to heaven and rules up there with his daddy? So what?
What are we meant to learn from it? What is so significant about him being a chosen one? Why is he the chosen one? Why not Siddhārtha Gautama or Vishnu?
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Beat to Loop (right-click, click Loop, probably won't work on phone unless you got upgraded YT): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Pk9zRiti4
Lots of people talk about the 'Pagans being way too vague',
Like Pagans talk diseases, meaning the rat-ridden black juju plague,
Like us fake sons of guns had better make our ways blatant or take our vagrance to the grave and learn in the afterlife how to behave,
But I'm here to tell you that you're oh so holy Satan-hating, Krishna worshipping, Niqab-wearing phase is nothing but a masquaraded Pagan system; foolish slave...
See back when the world was an anarchic battle for who could garner cattle,
There were many beliefs and many ways we rattled up in the cage, pondering civilisations' patterns,
Like if reality began at random then why not rape and batter?
Why not take the vilest way to seize the day, blood-spatter?
So while the Nihilists violently tried to invade, the chatter among the saner of us basically found ways to matter,
Apple-eating deepthroater, vicious snake; you actually think that it's anything other than an analogy of giving into the brutal dominators wrath? Wrong.
It was a story about Eve having the tender Adam, who himself had met a vicious slut Lilith; who had him around her finger, deceiving,
So he got believing in a higher sense of justice; called his wilderness Eden, and he said to Eve that she shouldn't keep receiving bouts of semen from this evil demon,
But Eve was horny and Adam scrawny, so the real moral of the story is that God hates boring people.
For Adam choked on his apple at first, Eve was coaxed but could battle the pressure to be good but the problem was a hoe's not a saddle,
Can't just ride her when you want, whip her and then scatter, there were babies in her belly, do you do you honestly think Cain was actually the son of Adam?
You don't quite get the story if you think the hunky dory moral of it all was that we deserve to sit and worry,
To be eternally sorry to an idiot who designed us to be flawed, with all the inner struggles and puzzles to discover Yah'weh in all his glory,
There was a more sinister moral; it was that the reason to be good is to maintain society, and that's all we really need to take from it; no God, no cross, you think that Eve giving into the dominant man is my problem? Yawn, don't bore me.
The whole idea of religion in its original form to give an intuitive reason for the masses to get passive, leave less victims,
But the issue with Hindu Vedas and the likes of Judaism is that believing in such bullshit sets your mind into a prison,
For to truly think that heaven or a next life's selfish reward's the only real thing keeping you from being evil; means you're running from a beacon,
And eventually the beacon tells you hurt the gays; they're heathens, burn the women at a stake for appearing hideous and preaching weird things,
Invade a nation, pillage the women; brainwash the children or if that all fails at least make an example to help you get the ones you invade later on to give in,
"But what about their rights?" The afterlife will give them more than enough in repayment, so take these Pagans, rape, exploit or kill them,
'Cause after all if you actually read the Bible backwards and think about the most selfless kind of Christian; it's the one willing to suffer in hell by sinning; so their victims didn't.
You think that's stupid right? Wanna come through and fight? You interpret your religion and think that you can write the truth in a way better than the 'flawless word of God'? Get hyped!
Think for yourself, you already cherry pick your Bible, Qur'an, Torah, Vedas and many other 'vital' teachings of things that really fall victim to the errors present in any rigid system of thinking,
The Muslims who are not radical, the Christians who stopped the pillaging; every single one of them's a Pagan, rebel citizen of a one world nation of free-thinking without militant idiots who will kill in the name of a deity so brutal and vigilant that they had better fear it more than using their own brain to configure what's already within any human with empathy; a struggle deeper than sinning.
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The only time that the DDO presidency achieved anything good was when it made me empathise with Bench when Mikal shat all over what I could tell Bench was deeply hurt for having been part of being so botched and catastrophic of a term. Until that moment, I struggled to see how Bench was trapped in the game, not just a mastermind behind it.
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@bmdrocks21
Even if you say 'for now' you can only maximum change one later on, out of the two.
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@Fruit_Inspector
No, no, no, you're not getting off that easy. You just completely skipped over that you think religious people brutalize people and animals, and that neither is more valuable than the other, yet there seems to be no problem with raising animals for no other purpose than killing and eating them. Would you same the same if we did that with people?
If that's all the people had potential to be good for and at a time when society deemed it okay, this would certainly occur. The word 'good' and 'okay with it' or 'say the same if' is all hypothetical bullshit. We all can talk like we're a mega hero, if it happened to humans it's a big problem sure but if you refer to torture and agony, no that's not okay. What we do with blue collar workers is not very different to what we do with work horses or guide dogs. The reason people end up getting more agency than animals do (unless they are prisoners) is because society deems them to have more potential usefulness to those around them (even just in terms of making them happy). This equally is why pets are treated with more respect than your typical farm or zoo animal.
I am not coming here pretending to be a romantic hero, I am coming here a completely genuine pragmatist who refuses to let my rationality cloud my heart and love for animals. They are people, they have personalities and completely conscious 100% legit experiences of reality.
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@thett3
Then stop defending those who did. Regardless of the corruption, these two members who your crew almost successfully voted into HoF proved to be multi-accounters on one end with both being racist, really crude and nasty trolls who are sadistic, trouble-making and serve almost zero (yes, objectively nearly zero) positive impact around here.
I would like us to see what positive impact either member has had on the website from start to now. I can list you a plethora of negative ones for both. I won't do that until you bring the positive, so that this becomes an actual discussion and not a persecution. I also may get gagged by the mods if I continue this, because unlike what you think they are harsh both in defence of such members as well as in attack of them.
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@WaterPhoenix
yeah, but it fits in very much with the type-2. You're a straightforward person who excels at teamwork and situations where the goal is patience and 'an honest day's work' so to speak. People who do it fast could be doing it for many reasons, being alert at the time vs tired etc. I can't know why, but if it went with drawing it most definitely to the right, it's due to you rapidly seeing it from inside your head, not outside and sticking to that image.
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@thett3
I'm not the mod around here to appeal to. I would run this place very differently. I can't go into details because it counts as a threat of mod action or persecution.
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It was done on professional spies, they found that every single professional spy tested did it to the left eyebrow. They then tested it with others and found a huge correlation with the capacity to lie effectively and drawing it to the left but the exceptions seemed to be based on how fast the person drew the Q.
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@WaterPhoenix
The original test is about tendency to see things from outside your own perspective when presenting them, especially when under pressure (such as when you're about to reveal something about yourself). If you drew the Q so you yourself read it correctly, and not the one asking you or picturing your own head from the outside, it means you do not read deep into how other people perceive you in general.
I noticed more things when asking some people to do it, as well as exploring other tests and correlation between them and the Q test and altered a 2-result dichotomy into a four-one.
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I want you to draw, on your forehead with your finger, the capital letter Q.
Do it as fast or as slow as feels natural, close your eyes if you wish. Do what is natural to you.
This test has been revealed before in official books, the main one is Quirkology (fantastic read). I noticed that the dichotomy had ignored more elements and have strong reasoning for the additional elements to my results.
Do it. Do not skip for results.
If you drew the Q such that its tail pointing to the left eyebrow, you are a good liar but bad at sticking to routine. You excel at tactical planning, more so than strategic planning.
If you drew the Q such that its tail is pointing to the right eyebrow, you take things at face value but cope well with situations where boredom strikes you and your enemy at the same time. you are not likely to be very impulsive at all.
If you drew the Q and let go of your forehead and almost have forgotten which way it was, you are bad at sticking to routine and also bad at lying but are likely very fast on your feet and good at sports, reaction-based situations etc. You are also likely passionate and an artist by nature.
If you drew the Q such that the tail barely went out of the O, and you just kind of said 'i'm done let's see', you are a bad liar, good at sticking to routine and very effective in situations that involve a lot of long-term thinking and planning but very little creativity.
If you are curious about me, I am the first type. This test only works once in your life, once you know the results you can and will fake them in the future.
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@thett3
You tried to troll and ruin something and are throwing a tantrum because the troll kingpin outplayed you so hard that one of your guys confessed and single-handedly secured his own ban. Stop crying wolf, I know what real corruption and mod abuse is.
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@thett3
Play by the rules next time and vote honest instead of pure troll. Maybe you'll see different reaponse when youre not out to bring sadness and anger to those who respect the site and its proceedings.
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@Fruit_Inspector
I will skip the arguments for vegetarianism and flip this on you.
I support euthanasia and abortion (up to five months in but not beyond that) and see most torture and rape as worse crimes than merciful ends of the murder spectrum.
The agony of the being is to be respected and worked against. The death of the creature is not at all a means of denying it has a soul, the logical fallacies are countless in this leap of reasoning.
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@ludofl3x
So are Christians. They cherry pick their religion to suit their agenda. All religions are malleable but any religion that debies the sentience and soul animals is alwats, ecery sibgle time, corrupt religion rhat os used to colonise and brutally abuse both animals and humans, for there is no difference once you start deeming conscious, living beings as less alive, aware and real as you.
We are merely the apex predators of our planet's ecosystem, nothing more or less.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Parents own children, state owns prisoners, bosses own employees.
Having a pet that you care for doesn't in any shape or form mean it lacks a soul.
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@Harikrish
Hinduism is very vague on many matters, its concept of Dharma is ultimately that nothing matters (not that being good matters). They tend to make Gods up as they go along and are never quite clear if Brahman or Kali is the true God AKA Ultimate Reality.
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@Vader
@LordLuke
@bmdrocks21
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@A-R-O-S-E
Those tagged, those that have me blocked, Bsh1 and Virtuoso, thank you for voting me. I mean that sincerely.
I had an idea that this vote would go quite differently from Round 1 to now. I won't say specifically how or why, I am not trying to campaign here, that's not the intention. I am genuinely grateful to realise I'm not the total outcast and loser on here that some have made me come to feel. It sincerely means a lot to me, even if it ends up with another 3 as the winners. The chance in the running given to me by people I thought paid barely any attention to me is honestly testament to the attention I pay to newcomers paying off in some shape or form. I am happy very much for that.
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@LordLuke
I agree to most of what you posted though, about me and the rest of it.
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Sigmas often share many of the qualities of Alpha males. They are usually self posessed, self sufficient and charismatic. Like Alpha males, Sigmas can be very successful with women – but without having to build up an infrastructure around themselves.It’s common to split the typology that originally came from zoologist’s studies of primates, which is you have an alpha, a beta and an omega.The alpha is the king, the leader of the troop, the head lion and everybody else follows him. He lays down the law and the females naturally gravitate towards him because as the leader he is sexually attractive. He is best able of all the males to impose himself onto the world both in accruing scarce resources and in determining how the troop will live.The main thing you’re going to see on my site and my products is an expression of Sigma Game and mindset. Whereas most pick up theory is telling you to be the alpha male, I tell you what to do if you’re the sigma male. Let’s first explain the difference between sigma and alpha.Most books are designed to either mimic the behaviours of an alpha male or to transform yourself to actually become him. Now, the problem here is that with a lot of men, this personality doesn’t fit. A lot of men don’t want to be the alpha male, because being the alpha male basically requires you to be extroverted.It requires you to go into social situations and dominate them. It requires you to achieve dominance over men, which means you have to deal with other men. It requires you to have a static social circle which feeds you.For example, doing lifestyle game or being the head hippy in a commune, the rock star in a band or CEO of a company, or the VIP table host in the Vegas club. What these all have in common is they are static social environments that you insert yourself into and then dominate until you become the leader. So that has a couple of limitations for some men.
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@LordLuke
I am not unattractive to women at all, you just don't know me IRL enough to know that.
I am also not irresistible (especially not to dominant women, who I can be very offputting to) and don't fill all the boxes of any type. I am closest to a sigma male overall though.
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Animals have as much or as little of a soul as humans do. As a Pagan I am most vehemently against Christianity and Islam. This means that I am against religions that revolve around justifying abuse and seeing entities as so much 'lesser' that you can demean their actual sentience.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam do this more so than any other major religion. In practise, Christianity and Islam have done it the most; owning over 90% of the world essentially thanks to how brutally and without qualms they could justify invasion and Imperialism.
The religions that seek to make animals lesser than humans, use the same logic when making humans lesser than the invaders and rulers etc. These are corrupt religions, designed to tame people and masquerade their motive as salvation and therapy.
Of course, by taming people you do actually achieve helping them psychologically cope with the horrors of being invaded, pillaged and enslaved; for they accept that in the afterlife their God will repay them and it's only right the God's chosen people have power over them.
I am not here saying that we are all equal, I am not a Buddhist or some romantic fool. Some people really are smarter than others, some really will do more with their life. That doesn't mean that you lack a soul, just that you used yours more efficiently for the betterment of others. A dog most certainly has a soul, in my eyes and my religion.
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To be clear, unlike Elo on DDO, Rating on DART is permanent post-mortem of the debate's voting period, this is why it matters.
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