RationalMadman

you changed your statistic, conveniently. You admit now it's a lot more 50/50 at best between board members and non board members and are ignoring the capacity of other private investors who give them money and influence quietly, not that you believe in that stuff.

you do not understand how Illuminati work, iceberg and tip is an understatement with the stuff you have access to, Google is owned by others, massively, they then transfer money and/or influence to others on their behalf, including Google board members themselves at times but at other times a trusted broker.

You can keep writing all you want man, you think you are some guru of Googling about Google and have unlocked all the secrets. Meanwhile they're reading this chat right now laughing their heads off at your stupidity and what a sardonic bully you've been to someone who is actually correct as fuck on many things. 

It's not horseshit at all, they made their power public, by choice.

No it doesn't, lol. Those are exactly what I said; people who bought their way in from the outside and now are official board members. 

The 'originals' (that you said owned 97.5%) own 14% of voting shares and/or power.

wonder what pussy will reply to this before they get it locked for being a callout, probably none.

which do you think matters more, common sense or intelligence?

I see a lot of site-memory-space wasters posting far-from-wholesome threads, sewing stories, trolls get fed,

Most they've said's I'm a boastful threat to their fragile self-worth, crispy toast to their overburnt bread,

How the shards come sharp from the shattered glass, spattering, egos crushed tryna give mine a battering,

Thing is you can throw as many stones out that greenhouse as you want, but you can't evade the wrath of this Anakin,

Beast-made rebel, like the devil found a home in this heart, fire crackling,

What the fuck'm I battlin'? Like literally who in the hell are these irrelevant peasants tryna' get unpleasant acting like they're matterin',

I've been on this site since the start, the fucking heart of DART called damn gallbladder, get up off o' your fat ass and vote against me, rambling 'bout bullshit reasons I suck in 'n' out of the debate arena, wannabe John Cena, moderate your thought process before you judge other's judgements, this site's leaderhip's great embarassment,

Like if we got your Résumé on display, it would say DART's greatest debater on paper for a while; specialty - relentless harassment,

I get it, Ram, I'm a has-been, I'm a thorn in the side of the site you want; give me aloe vera for the butthurt, I'll give you a migraine; no aspirin.

I see a lot of people throw shit on my name, but where are you in the game? Could you handle the fame?

Light a candle in the darkness you've clouded yourself in; quiver at your reflection in shame,

It's easy to talk shit like 'haha moron you're no genius', when you aint gotta admit you're just a big dick with a tiny penis,

what? this callout thread's too vicious? Should I be sarcastic and say 'wow I love you pinkfreud, please feel something other than shit and guilty when you read this!'?,

I find that kind of shit's needless, I aint pleading the fifth, I'm coming straight out the gate; y'all can type shite behind a keyboard, but in real life you're everything you say I am, rejects.

Press f for respect

you pull this 97.5% thing where? Show me. It's 14% not 97.5%.

Type b stock was traded for many years until recently, really man stop kidding yourself.

there are a select few Google employees who steer the company in terms of voting shares and such, they're literally less than 1% of the overall employment base of Google. The rest are outside investors who are bought-in board members of Google due to their investment.

Many are secret, hiding behind representatives of investment-pool brokers.

Ramshutu, you should fact check yourself before you paraphrase me stating correct things to mock me with lies.

The things you just said I'm saying are true... You just mocked yourself.

There is zero paranoia in the post(s) you just replied to. Who is 'we', when my post was only about you and myself? Think before you type, it helps.

obviously the mods improved their system over time and catch better with IP and stuff now but I spotted people who hid behind TOR browser and stuff, I still can but no one at the moment is doing so, at least not any prominent members who are still prominent on their alts. Maybe one, but I won't reveal who, that's an alt he/she revealed to the mods anyway so it isn't news to them and they are barely active.

Note: I am not referring to mustardness' new account.

I do not. You just need that to be true, it's a common thing seen in many areas. Sometimes it's true (envying my amount of wins and the medal and then looking to my winrate as a coping mechanism is an accurate deflection, it is a genuine thing to discredit the status of the other with), but sometimes such as there it's false.

I mean, okay, number maybe but rate? Not at all. You'd have to be on PMs between myself and Virtuoso/bsh1 to know for a fact, though. It was you who used it for power, you came out the official vote mod and got colours swirling, I assume without paying a cent, despite doing less work than me overall on the Trello or maybe you came to equal it later on. I really don't know or care, but I find it ironic that you say all that when you're tiptoeing around bsh1's ego whenever someone goes after him and always ready to flex your prowess in the community, gained primarily by your ties to Virtuoso and Mike, over time in private such as with the Trello. You get off on how you can talk down to anyone here that you want, other than bsh1 or the two others you needed ties to in order to get your position. I wanted recognition for my work, nothing more or less.

In the context and tone of Zedvictor's overall quote, was intelligence or common sense held to be the important one with the other being arbitrary to have pride in and/or to strive for?

That would be a better question to ask and think about.

I got MVP award too, you probably don't know what that is.

^ that's not the voting thread(s) but you get the idea. Ramshutu will most likely win the 2019 one given how the society has changed here, who has been driven off vs stayed active and attitudes towards me and others. I'm fine with that, I will work to get my rep as a formidable debater up, focus on only 1-2 at a time etc. Hopefully I win the 2020. :)

this website is a perfect example of how the very guy who founded, funds and runs it is having private equity even as a chairman/founder/owner.

The only time Equity becomes public is if the private investors want it to be.

I'm sure a Google search will tell you all the secrets of Google.

#sarcasm

Try using duckduckgo and try using your brain to interpret the data, too. I don't need to fight you Ramshutu, you can keep mocking me all you want. You get upvoted because people love the tone you talk to me with and how 'wrong' you can make me seem with your sweeping logical fallacy paintbrush.

Private Equity is literally what all stocks and shares are based on. I don't expect a socialist to understand capitalism.

The way you get B stock with private equity is by investing in a pool that invests on the behalf of all the investors.

You don't see when someone forfeits a basketball game, they don't turn up or get shown. LOL!

Aside from that, if you seriously think he is the GOAT of basketball, what metrics are you basing it on and why is him 'not being seen forfeiting a match' an important element of that?

I said 'goats' it was an analogy with sheep and wolves but since you want to refer to GOAT, I can play along. You're looking for any reason to fight me at all, it's sad.

If you're done with the rude tone and insulting, do you care to elaborate on where I have shat the bed in either scenario?

How about you reveal who you are on CD first, and I do not mean your Ramshutu account there. Then once we begin sharing about ourselves, we go into which of us was closer to Type1 and who actively exposed vs suppressed Sparrow's investigation on the Trello.

Something is deeply wrong with you Ramshutu, in that when you identify someone as your enemy you cannot bond with them over anything even shared hard work.

Mike wouldn't want that, since some ideas still have yet to be implemented and it's behind the scenes elements of the site that are essentially his equivalent of trademark ideas in the making.

You would only pick tiny snippets anyway and I have no access to disprove you with, which would involve screenshotting what is a private document that I was invited to under the agreement that I keep the contents secret. Technically it's wrong to say who was or wasn't involved in it but Idgaf and Mike hasn't punished me so far. I know that it angered him too that bsh1 wasn't pulling his weight, how about you reveal that chat? Probably a bad idea, since he doesn't want you to reveal any of it.

Still the GOAT in spite of it, that's what you're missing.

One need only look at your recent forum thread and post history to see the truth, I will not spread an inkling more effort on it.

I leave you with this song:

"You didn't say any of that" says Ramshutu. :)

Another arbitrary disqualifier made up as you go along.

Yes, I blocked you and owe you zero justification for doing so even though I did fully explain it many times in the original thread where it occurred.

You're harassing me further after blocking you, constantly, by any means available so I think it's very clear how correct my decision was.

I got more but that stuff's all PM-only either on here or Discord. I did a lot for the community, exposed many toxic trolls over time by intentionally being their victim if need be, so that they didn't pick on others. I am also, in private, the single most effective alt-spotter to the mods, Idk if they'll vouch for me but it's very true. I keep them posted with a lot, or did in the past at least.

MAR's ban was entirely my work in the early days but later on Ramshutu, Virtuoso and Death23 can take credit, they 'finished the job', I had reason to tiptoe around MAR because he'd votebomb me into losses with alts if I didn't respect him in public.

Telling someone to back the fuck off who keeps spreading lies, humiliating me across like 7 threads and who continually treats me like a piece of dirt, is not being a bully. It's not letting you bully me.

You tell me I cannot define myself as a GOAT, then you go ahead and discredit an objective measure of achievement to garner the 'greatest of all time' and say 'your attitude disqualifies you by my arbitrary measure'.

Your attitude is fucking vile in my personal opinion but I don't go around shitting on it unless you come knocking on my door putting my name in your mouth. My taste in attitude and my opinion of you have no bearing on your achievements being real or not.

I've also done more to help Castin emotionally and 'professionally' on this website than you ever will, so back the fuck off poser.

I let my medals do the talking. What do you let do the talking?

And as for Ramshutu, when you are a major shareholder in Google, you become a board member of Google even if you don't 'work for' them originally in any shape or form. You're arguing semantic tautologies, as I pointed out in those posts. I'm not interested in explaining how results of a semantic alteration are not the same thing as 'actual' but you don't get it yet. Google is owned by many investment firms that are pool-funded by the Elite from many walks of life (well not poor ones) and it gives most say to the 'Google board members' who invested the most. It's true that the major ones include a couple who were/are the diehard founders and Chairman etc of Google but in no shape or form is that the one(s) who has/have most say. NSA have quite the hand in Google, whether it's on a report or not. Do some digging, work out the truth for yourself. Stop turning everything into 'waste weeks of your life formally debating me just to realise that I can semantically win.'

I know you can win a debate by twisting words and going by popular interpretation of things, you and oromagi are great at that and your rankings show how important a skill that is on a debate website. I'm not going to engage you on the unpopular side, I actually want my rating here to go up.

No, I'm not. I think common sense is really overrated, he thinks the complete opposite (that intelligence is).

And what have you done from the moment you walked into this website to now?

Why not debate on the forums? We both know that the 'authority of the source' will hold up as a constant safety net for your side. 

All you need to do is again and again say 'it makes perfect sense what RM is saying but it's ridiculous to believe that over our trusted and government-endorsed NASA, just come on animated or not we should trust their videos and photos... Why would they fake it? Oh yeah, money and resource-control over Antarctica and the Arctic alike... Well, come on he needs to prove with concrete proof that NASA is corrupt, where's his BoP met?"

Guess what, they didn't wipe evidence, there never was any left to begin with. You're talking about corruption at a level where there is literally no paper trail at all, even though the main motive was money, because all the money is either top secret and funded NSA, CIA etc or was payed on extremely private means (Switzerland, Panama, British Virgin Island banks etc) and it's literally left no verifiable trail at all. It doesn't matter how many "coincidences" I bring up, the room to deflect it based on 'plausible, realistic assumption' and notions like that will win you the debate. I know that already. The worst part is I will be putting myself in jeopardy for actually going so far to accurately explain and prove things. At the moment I'm just a blabbering tin foil hat wearer, the depth and extent of logic I'd use in a debate like that would stop people laughing at me and start getting people researching and stuff, even get me talked about on the Internet in other circles after it becomes visited enough to get high on Google search results.

I wouldn't want that, ever. I want to maybe prove it to a very select few but that's about it. The power of a truth-seeking movement lies in the idea that it's the only movement where you can kill the 'leader' and all the others can keep 'doing what they do' AKA finding the truth, knowing the truth and spreading it just as much without him/her. Never make yourself the only one who can spread the truth, nor capitalise on a unique talent or access to a website/medium that lets you debate that truth. Chit chat here and there but angle everything in a way that will get people who think for themselves to go 'ah I get it, let me research this myself and make my own mind up.' That way the authorities have no motive to kill you off, since leaving you alive and laughed at is extremely beneficial to them and they know the type of people you're getting to find the truth themselves are going to do so regardless, you were just one of many catalysts for that journey.

I know what I'm doing here, my job isn't to prove that the earth is flat to people hellbent on either laughing at me for it or killing me for fully explaining all the proof behind it. I never want that for myself, I merely want it to be clear that not only morons believe in it and that the set of things leading to it require you to see patterns, study history harder than what is obvious and to keep an open mind at all times.

Common sense is reserved for people of common intelligence, there's absolutely nothing about it that implies only the dumb should lack it. Many geniuses lacked common sense.

Also the concept of rewarding someone for humiliating someone else requires a toxic mentality to propagate in the first place.

That post by Ragnar encapsulates the 'gang up on and mock into silence' concept of approaching anyone suspicious of NASA at all, let alone other conspiracy theorists. "Hey, they're asking for it, the fucking retards actually believe that? Hahaha make fun of them, good job!" is a mentality of sheep who think they're wolves, picking on intelligent goats that think for themselves.

If you got reasons why it's wrong, stop mocking the believer. It's nothing short of strategised bullying.

If you wanted to actually know what the definition of a callout thread is ^ Those are 2 callout posts filled with accuracy and importance to the website. Be sure to forget all about them and lock this thread when it suits your agenda.

"You can vote when I tell you, on what I tell you and the results will affect next to nothing in my actual enforcement."

"You never ever will vote me out of my throne, nor will you ever vote on anything until I say so with topics I handpick for my agenda."

"This is not a dictatorship, you vote and can talk shit at me, duh! The fact people dislike me but others like me is proof I found this perfect 'balance' that Ramshutu taught me to talk about! Yipee!"

You're a dictator who allows free speech to give the illusion of not being one.

You were not elected, most members don't want you being the head moderator, they want Virtuoso to be... or they did want him to be (or anyone but you) except that most of them got banned or driven off of the site by you and your moderation.

Instead, what's left behind are people able to constantly insult, mock and attack my intellect again and again via 'talking about' instead of 'talking to' loopholes in your flaming section of the CoC. You're only not coming down on it because it suits your agenda to not come down on it, since it's me who's the victim and one of the perpetrators is your diehard cheerleader Ramshutu.

On the other hand, when someone does something you don't really like and is against your interests, you are sure to remind them just how much of a fake-ass non-dictatorship this actually is, minus the fake-ass and the 'non' since the 'non' is the biggest element of what is fake.

Remind us again why your MEEPs are held when you want them on matters you want, worded in ways that suit your agenda. Remind us again why your latest MEEP was not enacted at all on every single banned member debate since then but the only one punished by it was me (which you did still have a MEEP question on, despite saying it already was against the rules and worth deleting to uphold the CoC)... I know why, but you're too much of a coward to come out and admit it.

The reason you allow me to call you a coward, allow Dr. Franklin to question the website and say 'bs' and allow other such powerless verbal attacks at you and your rule enforcement is because it helps extremely with appeasing the rest of the website into thinking there is no dictatorship and that you are fair. You are not fair, it is objectively verifiable just how severely disproportionate you are to some members vs others but the proof lies in PMs that most don't want to reveal or are banned and can't reveal. You are not fair at all, you're just letting people talk shit at you to even further your agenda into villainising those who criticise you.

What did I say in a harsher way? Can you quote it and provide context?

Sorry, I meant encencephalitis, not emphysema, though in emphysema you do start to smell things wrong or not at all (same with taste).

Encephalitis having a similar name and me being tired at the time of typing that as well as multitasking are my excuse.

Please get lost. This is sarcasm from a regular bully of mine designed to anger me.

Also please shut this thread down, ask me on my AMA, this is a callout thread thst I don't consent to.

 A gift from Fate itself would be the ultimately true wording. God discovered me with my depth and potential before she altered my abilities. Fate gave me the insane capacity and stuff.

That is why the rule should be that if the intention of your thread, even indirectly in a blatant way, is taken by the mods and general userbase to be to humiliate, expose etc another user, you should not be making such a thread.

This, then, covers you being able to leave up call-out threads where the recipient digs the beef and it's mano e mano with mutual respect/disrespect that the userbase digs the drama of.

I can give you a ton of other advice if you want, but you'll just say 'run your own site', there's a reason I don't and it isn't just the money. To run a site like this blackmails me to hide myself as the admin and would have to pose as another user, which I have no doubt Mike is doing potentially. You also should have a support team, like what you wanted Castin and Ramshutu's role to be but a more clear role that cannot and does not moderate or get flack for that, they handle people and filter the non-easy-to-solve queries and stuff with you and the userbase.

The problem with sites where all the running is done by free-to-hire volunteers is that the currency becomes social acceptance, I got that a long time ago and didn't complain about it literally ever. I get that you always work for something and for some the appreciation and recognition is their payment, so give it to them. Delegate better, make yourself the untouchable kingpin on the top of the food chain 'round here and for fuck's sake man; rule out disrespecting you, whether you think you're a noble masochist or not. When you allow people to treat you like dirt and you don't use it for drama like I do, all that people learn about you is that you're a tough guy to get to emotionally and are cold inside, which is a terrible image to have if you want to draw people in and create a team that trusts each other and cares a lot. Virt has you covered in that department brutally and is the sole site-staff-reason this site didn't fall apart back when people were at your throat. You said 'disrespect us as you please' but I stuck up for Virt and you, for you. People learned, not just from my defence but other people who joined in such as Virt himself as he does defend you at times, that you do have backup and are a person that people regard and care about. That image is invaluable in a website where recognition and socialising are the sole currency of power and work ethic staying solid.

You need to recognise what you are; top dog around here. Stop trying to play 'i'm just a guy with mod powers', you are not. You're the alpha of this pack in practise with the charisma of the most beta cuck I've ever met. Stop that shit, you know your worth and that's why you went for the position in the first place.

If you started to actively participate, moderate, shut people up and make people afraid to talk shit about you and rewarded for speaking kindly about you and the website in general, you would use your influence the correct way. You cannot ever stop corruption, you can only channel it in a way that benefits the community to make up for it. You got power, use it well. It's tiring to see you let this place stagnate and people to shit on your name.