RationalMadman

I actually referred to this in my rap battle against King_8 but I knew exactly what would happen if I made a topic about it. ;)

Thanks.

I already did my gay pride profile pics. I figured to join Ramshutu and Alec in office pics and found an irony that while this character is homophobic and Conservative, not only does her personality suit me well but this image reflect that she likes cats... Which have nickname 'pussy'.

She literally licks her cats, she has issues but so do I.

2 days to vote

I posted that in my rap taste battle lol, that's a very famous one.

I don't like the sound of it overall and I don't personally dig Logic's 'wawawewa' Borat style delivery but it's a very good rap lyrically overall and Eminem is very very good flowing in that rap with excellent puns.

This website has rules. You say '4Chan has rules' but the wild west had rules too. You couldn't be gay, you couldn't be sensitive, you had to conform to the fashion, religion, accent and hierarchy of both criminal and law enforcement agencies. When you talk of the wild west, perhaps you mean 'jungle'. Even in the caveman times, we had rules. The illusion that anywhere is without rules is something that comes from a need to feel more than animals. You're not more than an animal, other than in the eyes of subjective humans and socially constructed 'rights' that are made from our species' egotistical urge to procreate and outdo all other species.

In this website, unlike the wild west, someone like you can't just go ahead and tell Mopac to shut the fuck up or fear being beaten into submission because he is ranting and it's annoying you. On 4Chan, createdebate and many other such websites, you can shitpost such abuse all you want with the worst outcome being a restraining order IRL that results from your own retardation to have revealed your identity on the site. 

I don't think you understand that it is inherent to a non-wild-west community to abhor threads like this that seek to humiliate and intimidate someone into peer-pressured silence. I have seen this happen before, not just in my childhood IRL but also online and no, not just involving me of course but also as a bystander; people feel angry at another's opinion so instead of addressing the opinion they address the person's right to express that opinion. Sometimes this has validity, such as preventing severely militant groups from spreading their agenda but if you truly fear that anyone you mentioned in this thread's OP is genuinely gathering people in an outlaw militia, that's for you to report to the authorities or make seen wider elsewhere. This has nothing to do with site-moderation and as I know those users I can tell you, you're lying.

There have been two users who crossed that line. One is Type1/Sparrow and the other is WisdomofAges and his many alts. They have genuinely called for brutal violence and murder and both are permanently banned to my knowledge (the latter is an educated guess).

Bsh1 doesn't support a wild west forum but many of his allies tried to misguide him into it along the way of this site's evolution. When you say he supports wild west forum, you don't really know the real Bsh1. Bsh1 struggles at times with being a people pleaser by nature and being a power hungry politician through nurture (yes, you read this right, I strongly believe the latter has come from the life he's lived).

Bsh1 would already be warning me if I said that about anyone else other than himself and Virtuoso and no one fucking touches Virtuoso because I will bite their head off. There is no wild west forum here, what you are seeing is something called you being unable to whip out your abuse and agenda against users like Mopac, Greyparrot and Swagnarok. Greyparrot is not the type of user you describe at all, he is entitled to have fun and post semi-relevant shit. He doesn't shitpost and earned a place on my friends list recently (which despite having 42 is something that is earned, not just granted and based on my analysis of the users' consistent conduct, I have 42 but out of all users I observe and/or interact with here that's not much as I no-life this site and am unashamed of that).

I don't know about Mopac's true motives here but the idea that you are entitled to say he can't post things that upset you because of the title of a thread is a bit childish in all honesty. Like, I am a butthurt SJW and even I don't see the issue with Mopac. I have users that repulsed me and they still do but as I said, I handle them just fine. Either they go too far and indeed moderation handles them or I learn to toughen up and ignore it. 

I know what a wild west forum is, I know 4Chan, CreateDebate and all kinds of varying moderation practices on the Internet. This is not wild west and that's one of the hugest reasons why I like it. 

This is a callout thread as he didn't just allude to them but named some of the users he's calling filth AKA trolls (interchangeable to Omar, it seems). 

Worry less about calling others names and branding them as 'trolls' and worry more about being consistent with your own depiction of an ideal user.

You come here violating CoC with this callout thread where you name Mopac and GreyParrot. You then proceed to call them 'filth' who ironically you don't want to spend time with because you want to learn new things and yet you completely deny me advising you to just that.

You need to learn patience, Omar, or you will become the very thing you hate: A forum troll. Don't think you're special or unique in this regard, we are all prone to become that which we hate because like love, hate makes you start to pick up characteristics as you obsess over it more and more. Don't hate, outplay and outsmart. 

I'd say 'don't hate the player, hate the game' but I prefer the wording 'don't hate, outplay and outsmart' instead. This helped me so much in understanding not just poker and how to handle irritatingly loose-aggressive players but also life in general. I didn't have the easiest childhood, nor was it the hardest especially given how smart and charming I can be. I learned the hard way what happens when you try to be a 'direct fighter' to absolutely anyone or anything in life; they fight back and know how to. Sure, some people are naive and passive enough to defeat with an aggro style that has very little patience but most will put you in your place, we are the dominant species on the planet for a reason so even the lower end of our genepool is still very adaptive once you reveal yourself as a threat to them in an obvious manner.

You don't need to fight trolls in any direct 'get rid of them' manner, you need to focus on making their presence unnecessary even to themselves (because they profit from attention, as opposed to other motives for using the website). As long as you're doing all you can to starve them of their income, they'll either subside or indeed thrive by preying on others. There is always the fine line between the right and wrong time to begin engaging a troll who is that severe and as I said previously, that's finesse and requires a lot of observation and trial-and-error.

Be the change you want to see in the world or be the reason others change.

Gandhi should have added that ending to explain the alternative route to take when leading by example doesn't do much.

What do I do to ensure such trolls don't do that stuff to me? I block and starve them of my attention. Additionally, I actively engage with others around them. People have done the same to me, it's how I learned of how powerful this method is to the user you target.

It's a clean way, completely abiding by the rules, to handle such users.

So, you may ask, why do I engage my enemies at all? Much like Ramshutu believes he takes flack by being the most courageous voter, I have a similar ethos in how I am the most avid non-mod handler of trolls. You can call me delusional but unlike Ramshutu, I have a consistent way I determine who I need to just starve of attention and who is worth engaging with, so as to prevent them snowballing their aggression by preying on more vulnerable members. This part requires experience, toughness and intelligence which are both nature and nurture for me to have so high. Anyone can use the ignore and redirect method, so stick to that if you are not willing to risk your enjoyment of the site.

Talk to one another.

This was going to be my weakest Round anyway, was going to win the rap battle against someone who lost a talent show most likely regardless.

Every single Round after this would involve strategy and the rap battle would be demolished by me.

Just because the Judge has a severely different taste in written art than I do doesn't mean I'd lose overall. It's very good that Bsh1 put this first and not last as this is the vaguest win-condition Round of them all.

BoT is someone I may wanna talk to again, he was also neutral. If he's showing up I may want to, just to keep in contact.

Reunion with a group who proved either to actually be decent enough to openly hate me or to shadily talk shit about me behind my back? Yeah, no thanks.

The only person of the old group I don't mind is Kitty AKA Angelofdeath, because she's decently open about how neutral she is about me and others. 

You and seventh can enjoy each other's fakeness, I want no part of it.

I don't mind whiteflame either but he was never truly part of the Hangouts group.

You forgot to like your own comment. You're more of a Barry Kropke than a Will Wheaton.

Busy you can keep fucking worth me, taunting me and assuming I don't get sick of the site and wasting my time here instead of sick of your superiority to me that you assume to have. You're a sick-in-the-head, bully who has nothing going for him in life other than preying on the socially awkward.

You'll win the debate as you understand normie idiots better than I do. so you use terms like 'obviously nonsense' and 'bad faith' and they get all weak inside.

I've given example after example.

My story had 152 words or so I thought... Whatever.

But if you're the guest judge so be it.

My story actually had a lot of depth to it and was very ironic/funny if you read it deeper and the perspective it forced you to take (the losers he leaves behind).

I used brevity to my advantage.

Do you really think that? That's amazing!

- https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1918/post_links/82953

Mhmm, what are you then? The button that we press and it says 'sorry I can't process this information, but you are objectively saddening'?

Lucky you avoided that roast round eh? 

So remind us why you've had the time to post all these forum posts, comments, votes and even debate Rounds but you had to drop out of the talent show the moment I posted my poem/rap. 

I guess you do have a talent.

You trigger me like an obese person eating McDonald's. 

You can't help what you do, I know you can't help it but still it tingles me in a wrong way.

The block button exists thanks to a big play by me very very early on in the site's history. That'll solve that issue.

Then you may argue the left-wing Progressive SJW argument of 'better out than in' meaning oppressing and suppressing urges will mean even if they have no way to scream AHHHHHHH YOU VOTERS ARE CORRUPT, they will vent it in other toxic ways and as a left-wing SJW Progressive, I'd have to agree.

Oh yes, I identify as SJW but oh no, I am not the type of SJW to go OMG DO NOT DARE TALK, rather I annihilate my opponent in a very right-wing calculating manner where they realise if you want to trigger me and others, don't be shocked when I do it to you better.

I have found that the people who most thrive on winding others up and relishing in their agony (typically right-wing in mentality) are those who least can resist it when it is done to them on their weak-points of tolerance and aggravation.

What is fascinating to me is that after I unblocked you, you blocked me. You perhaps didn't count on me doing that and thought you could just point me out to be some strange kind of hypocrite, it turns out you lost at that game? Not sure what that was.

If you want to oppress people screaming about their votes, you have to realise not only will their frustration vent elsewhere but more importantly; the fact that moderators aren't properly moderating votes is something that won't go away. People talk about having more lenient vote moderating and I am telling you that it's a joke (albeit a sophisticated one) as it is. People are right to scream about vote moderating, I have gotten away with some really lazy votes, why did I get away with it? Exactly, it is because they are too lenient. I will simply play the game if it insists on a broken meta.     

God said fuck me, Eve, let Adam get Lilith. Little did he know that Adam had a thing for his banana, I mean apple, and Eve was into cuckolding.

God is Satan and I firmly believe the OT God is the enemy of NT God and Allah. 

note: This is not inciting real-life war, I don't believe in the Abrahamic Trilogy being actual in the first place. I am a Pagan.

If people don't yet realise that Lucifer became Jesus and later on Allah and that Satan remained as the God of the OT throughout, that is fine by me. After all, Satan is only complimented in being such a master of deception that he created his very own usurper to hide his absolute authority, the story indeed is genius.

^ warning violence

I want to spar with these boys in that gladiator pit, no cancellation!

Warpaint on my face, heart racing. All or nothing, DARTer of all time or the fuckboy who thought he was! 

Cancelling because you know deep down I would take the title; it is my destiny.

It's not hate speech to point out that a religion is founded upon (and only at all relevant today) because of the brutal things it did in the past. If you're going to look at Vikings who were 'reasonable tyrants' and compare that to Christians who did such horrific things while spreading, as did Muslims, then you don't know history.

Research the Templar Knights, how the Vatican came about and then look at the Ottoman Empire and explore the history of the two religions that loathe Pagans and came up with the term Pagan. The term 'Pagan' literally meant 'inferior believer in a religion other than ours'. That was the connotation. You were subhuman and unworthy of being seen as anything other than a hell-bound scumbag if you were Pagan under both Christian and Islamic scripture.

I don't hate the believers of these religions, I merely know their scripture and history better than they do.

Christianity is a shit religion. The fact that Paganism is 'dying out' is actually nothing more than a temporary illusion. In the year 3400, there is no doubt in my mind that the world will be half Pagan new age religions focusing on Hindu and Norse type polytheism with alien demigods being a genuine theory of who runs things and the other half of the world will be atheist.

This fucking lunacy of thinking that Allah vs Jesus can bomb our world and make a 'OOOOH FUCK AMERICA AND ISARAEL AYAAAA!' on one side and 'let's pillage Africa and Native Americans and make our whiteboy religion take over everywhere MUAHAHAHAHAHAEHEHAAWWW' mentality is pure idiocy.

Get your warlike religions the fuck out of here, we don't need to blackmail people into religions.

Whether they ban something now or not, it will come back later bigger and badder because Paganism is the fucking truth and you cannot deny it for long in a species that is increasing its capacity to reason and maintain high IQ over time (despite what people think, we're getting smarter not dumber each generation).

I singled you out as succeeding at meeting the latter deadline. Everyone other than us 3 is unworthy to even mention. ;)

Oromagi failed to meet the first deadline.

Only K_Michael and myself have met both. Please strongly take this into consideration in your end ranking of this Round.

That is a BAD THING :) People SHOULD be able to discuss the debate and corrupt votes in the comments section!

You see yourself as a hero, but in reality you are a villain.

Bsh is the chief moderator. It's easy to be calm when you get your buddies tejretics, ramshutu and virt to vote for you and can remove votes at your discretion via Virt who is your lapdog.

Don't come telling that bsh1 is a clear example of the right way to oppose votes, he's calm because he runs things.

Deadline is in 2 hours and like 5 minutes yeah?

1 day left to vote.

but since you are becoming a prominent member of the website who may help fight the corrupt agenda of pick-and-choose lenient-vs-strict vote moderating and the oligarchy of some in the comments sections of debates and the effect of that on votes, I'll unblock you as you asked nicely.

You removed me as a friend and became shady and buddies with Ramshutu, I am hardly going to not block you after you ditch me without explanation.

In the example you give, that should never be taken as a troll debate. It's a joke topic but not a troll debate.

troll debates are not extreme devil's advocate, this is a misconception that I am extremely happy was voted out in the MEEP where the most strict definition of 'troll debate' was voted on. The only thing that is a troll debate is something where there is no way to moderate it in the sense of vote moderation as is in the CoC. Talent battles are one example but also debates where there is a topic to debate but instead of debating it, it's about entertaining the audience.

It's true, there's been examples of them labelling as 'troll debate' what shouldn't be labelled as such. I am vehemently against that.

Ramshutu is the one vote tampering on my debate(s), I am countering it.

There's several days left to vote on that one, if you wanted to. I will admit he put a lot less effort into making it pleasing to the eardrum than I did (even his ear-pleasing Round was bad at pleasing the eardrum) so I can understand not wanting to listen to the whole thing.