RationalMadman

Try reading the quote and watching things better than Bojack.

Or not, the loss is yours.

Then you answered wrong.

that vote ended in the tie that has waited weeks for the run-off between B and C before either happening.

wow it doesn't work when you click post!!!!!!!

kfc

Unfortunately the head mod here, bsh1, believes in a concept called MEEP fatigue. This means the questionnaire necessary to do the voting-barrier to noob accounts is happening in a week or even 2 weeks' time because he's lazy and is justifying it as 'avoiding fatigue for the site'. 

He doesn't deserve his position and is stagnating the site in every possible way but we must put up with him for now. Within 2 weeks please vote option C instead of option B (it's a runoff vote due to a near-tie in earlier vote) and join me in helping the site avoid this issue. :) thanks in advance.

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there's a pixel line of white on the right end. If you actually want it and aren't sure how to fix that, I can do it for you. It's due to a glitch in how pixlr processes cropping 

The image at the bottom is explicit and inappropriate for the website.

Imabench, one of my biggest rivals ever (actually the biggest) of my DDO-life, has an image I chose for him. I can help you find an image you love. 

Castin, spacetime and a couple others also used my image.

Blamonkey still has the image I chose and edited for him and is testament to my talent combined with skill at it.

This will not be like Supadudz's, it is not a joke. I will put in effort in whether I hate you or not but you need to answer the following questions to fully get a good result:

Lol, how are they not the same thing?

Okay but this is about removing bad votes, not encouraging votes to occur.

When your strategy is underestimated by the enemy, you needn't mask it much at all but merely make blatant what they underestimate is precisely what you'll use. That's me saying that, not Sun Tzu but it's an extension of his teachings.

The war isn't the debate, the war is in your mind, you lose by challenging me. You already know I think this, yet you feel more and more urge to challenge me to it, so why not lay out a little bit of what I'll do?

Yeah, on this website the Religion forum is a lot more integrated to the main community than on DDO (still separated). It always will be its own culture as it genuinely seems to be the people enjoy to discuss religion far more than any other debate topic and thus make their own culture entirely independent of the main website, as happened not only on DDO but has seen to happen on Debate Island as well. These Religion-only debaters thoroughly get a sort of therapeutic release from repeating debates and exploring different ideas but all from the same angles or 'informing everyone' of a truth they feel is their spiritual (not even civic) duty.

A big mistake to make on this website is to assume you can just shit on their reputation as on DDO both because the mods here are far more caring (Virtuoso is, but must say 'mods' or it's a conspiracy) and because Castin, who is a mod adviser for tough situations, is a Religion Forums main. The politics here involve them more as well as many of the most toxic members of them were moderated and either banned or willingly left the site in fury at the fact that they can't stick around bullying others and speaking putrid hate speech in the name of their religion as this website doesn't stand by America's First Amendment in order to stand against bullying done in the name of one's religion. This meant that the people left in the forum AND the outsiders who joined in the Religion Forum both were more willing to 'mesh' their group with the main site socially. These middlemen I would say are Outplayz and Castin as examples of their prominent figures. Wylted is an ex-religion-forum main on DDO who always was into both DDO mainstream drama and the RF culture but he is on the 'edge' of both so is less a middleman than someone who simply skates across the water rather than building a bridge.

Maybe many things, this is how I'd win the debate among other angles; I'd corner you into requiring complete vagueness while I remain concrete and yet in the ways you attack me I'd force you to be blatant and specific while masking your strong points with an onslaught of fog.

You want the debate or not? You're the one who kept saying let's make it formal despite me revealing more and more on here.

My past (what an un-Buddhist thing to say but it's very true). Many reasons why, but that's the best vague-yet-answer-worthy replies I could give.

The solution is that you Propose the edeb8 or as you call it 'crowd source vote reigning' means of reigning in votes being a 'superior' (we can leave that vague so both sides get to be fluid with the semantics of it) means to handle the scenario of the rate of vote-reports surpassing the efficiency of the current 2-man (well 3-man but Castin doesn't moderate votes) Moderation team.

In your description, you can limit me to need to advocate growing the moderation team via delegation to lower ranking mods as the solution to handle votes whereas you support the abolition of voting regulations in any moderator-enforced manner and simply kept as a 'guide to crowd-source-whip votes'.

You will find there's 2 major things you need to patch with the way your policy would feasibly work with our site and moderation policy but that's up to you to work out.

What exactly are you referring to in the FYI? Conduct is part of the four-category voting system and even Winner Selection voting incorporates it into most poeple's RFDs (I am a severe advocate of the four-category system and think the winner-selection method is solely supposed to be used in troll/jokey rap battle-esque debates)

Reddit is designed to have popularity-contest as its sole judgement mechanism. That is intentionally done, this website does not stand for such mindless banter type debating, that is not the aim here in the Formal Debating but clearly is allowed in the Forums section.

Tell me the definition of scaling and what the 'system' is and if we agree, put it in the debate's description.

Now that I have explained that, there is nothing left to explain.

Scaling blatantly includes buffing the vote-mod team (which was Tejretics but due to inactivity Virt is a hybrid behaviour-mod site-wide and vote-mod and bsh1 sits around ranked above him by doing next to nothing in comparison disclaimer - this is according to me and is a conspiracy theory against bsh1 apparently).

The mods get vote-only mods, enable them to only handle the votes, to paste 'reasons for mod decision to the mods' with a head among them who is able to moderate the votes and can either be Virt himself, bsh1 himself or a specific 'head vote mod'. The system scales well if you realise this. Your edeb8 solution is a genuine counter proposal that would indeed, if needed, mean the system as is was insufficient to scale well to voting most likely.

No. Your solution must be what you are Pro on, not that. It scales by adjusting around the skeleton of the current mechanics, you want to alter that via the edeb8 rating system of hyper-democratic means of reigning in already faulty democracy, yes?

I'm wiling to settle it with a debate but with you as Pro, not me.

Did you want my answers? I'd be happy to give them but we both know I'm an anomaly of a user in many ways to all three of those questions (probably I'm most normal with the answer to the first question).

If more people begin to support this idea, I will address why it's utterly fallacious in what it does to solve the issue of 'many bad votes'. For now, I'll let you preach proudly, unchallenged beyond me explicitly saying you're wrong and hinting at why. Build up a base and I'll bother.

Well he's a bit stubborn with the frequency you can change it or so I presume. Use hex code to pick it and message the Admin.

to be clear, I don't, 'you' solely refers to the other account you @'d and whoever owns that. I am not financially vested in this site as anything other than a donor who is not at all the same thing as a shareholder legally.

If this was a website I was financially vested in, it would be run differently and I'd carry myself differently and some users would be long gone with advertising and such done entirely via legal streams not spamming on DDO or anything of the sort. I am not part of this site's team financially, I am a donor who also donates time if that counts too of my own volition.

Read those in order. Let me know if you still have concerns.

Because you specified it was me. I don't understand why this threada been left up but okay, mods don't read their CoC.

Totally disagree with this. DDO failed because they banned passionate users who would have willingly judged and only let the uncaring sycophants be the sole vote-moderators.

If it gets too heavy a workload, hire more delegated-lesser-mod roles that answer to the Chief moderator.

if you donate to the website financially,  you can ask the admin to give you one of a specific colour. note that it adds a 'grey' hue annoyingly on top so pick a ltitle different to what you really want the colour to be that is less grey-ish

Census is based on the word consensus, The next thread would be a specific tailored questionnaire based on discussions behind the scenes and these replies.

The reason I disagree with this, although I totally agree perhaps showcasing the most popular AND hand-picked ones (not by an algorithm, human-picked etc updated regularly) of the 'best and latest' (weighing one against the other) of our site, I dont however agree that a slogan and some sort of 'this is what debating is and why we love it and encourage you to get good at it in a proper non-reddit-like environment' intro to why 1v1 debating is such a unique thing and is great for the brain.

You don't find moderation funny, you find people like me trying to point out things you're performing underwhelming in or doing wrong as the thing to laugh at. The problem is that for the first time ever, you properly replied to a thread like this and have proven me wrong on that so now the comment is negated but I still hold all the other points which you will say is apparently faulty logical heuristics which really just means you think I'm a fool who can't process logic but you're wrong.

The only problem is that you will likely keep your position, at least for 2 weeks more, but honestly I don't take a single thing here back. You can think you're great if you want, it's not my issue what you think of yourself and I always will have people hating on me for being so sure of myself and ready to confront you like this but in the end the Ramshutus and Supadudz's of this site won't have your back the longer you prove to displease everyone else. 

This thread isn't about you having no reason to struggle, it's about the fact that you are. Not everyone who is bad at their job is bad at it for reasons that are impossible to explain. You want sympathy? Alright, you no doubt got it, you're a hardworking thick-skinned amazing ninja of moderating according to people like Ramshutu and Oromagi. You can get sympathy all you want. Nice one, if I fight you on it I look like a dick and if I don't you seem like you justified all the reasons you fail as a mod. I don't see how you have to deal with people more angry and unhappy than virt does, since everyone on the religions forum has learned to go to him or Castin instead of you as well as many users like me learning the same on much more complex moderating matters like MAR.

You can keep sitting here, preaching how you're a hard-done-by fantastic human being doing such an unpleasant job, but the truth of the matter is Virt never ever would complain like this and he is doing all the work you're pretending to. You are not dealing with the people, Virtuoso is. The reason you get more anger from them is not actually because you're the chief moderator taking all the flack for the repercussions on them; it's because you are so insensitive and lacking in coherent application of justice so they always feel misunderstood and mistreated and lash out at you verbally in the PMs as you tell them things in a severely cold tone after weeks of ignoring them and only Virtuoso showing them a shred of understanding. They probably get even more angry because you often go hardest on them when Virtuoso is showing most understanding and you go softest on them when Virtuoso finally has promised the victim that punishment will be given out. Sometimes you do a bit of both in a lesser way; two-way restraining orders where you don't send a slightly kind or understanding message to the much-more-abused party or explanation that it's for their own protection until they whine at you (rightfully so).

You do not deserve your job position because of the hardness of the position or unpleasant people you need to deal with, that is not how this works. Good try at making me seem like the bad guy though.

Sorry for my retarded cognitive heuristics, heir bsh1.

Of course. It's only me, with everyone else you're chitty chatty... Oh wait, no. You're not as you're a behind-the-scenes type and prefer it that way as it avoids drama. Oh wait no, sorry you are and it's just a conspiracy theory by me. Gotcha.

When you paste back from the Google Doc, paste as plain text (involves right-clicking or ctrl+shift+v for Windows and something like that for Mac etc).

You can't paste with formatting for a large amount of text, it severely snowballs the characters beyond what you're using.

Google Docs is a fantastic free alternative to that if you want a temporary solution that works on all devices.

He means like a Word-document saving. 

Of course, of course. You can say you're doing a ton of work behind the scenes DAILY (hilarious) and I am the conspiracy theorist for being unable to provide evidence to prove a negative.

Just know that I am never ever going back on the promise I made you when I came out of that 2-week ban. You are lucky Mike is fond of you and that Virt is not just fond of you but so diligent that he is willing to take all of my PMs, Ramshutu's PMs and debate-comments chasing to take down the most severe multi-accounter of the website (no, not nd although I doubt you worked more than virt on that but who knows) and let Virt be the handler of absolutely everything from day one (yes it was as early as that) to now. From when I was being harassed by SamStevens in the forums, to when Laddy had gotten people to truly abusively gang up on me until I snapped, Virtuoso was the mod who showed empathy for the victim of abuse and who took Drafterman seriously and you who constantly sat (and still sits) back cackling at any like me and showing nothing but uncaring ambivalence on anything significant on the website, only ever putting in effort to make the one raising the issue seem discredited instead of focusing on yourself and what you are doing to Virtuoso due to his naivety and work ethic and what you're doing as a whole as a chief moderator to the userbase as a whole. 

You can sit there laughing at the fact that you haven't been dethroned by this but do not be confused; the Admin and Virt are starting to see the truth in what I'm saying whether they admit it or not in public. Your authority here is not as untouchable as you think, and the evidence isn't about you having been defended here, that is nothing but smokescreen from people who wanted a dig at me. The userbase is losing faith in you and your oligarchic prowess is loosening. Just know that.