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@Imabench
I'll vote.
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Other than Mopac and myself who else here is a Gnostic Theist?
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@PGA2.0
Refer to my input as garbage input one more time and I will get mods involved regarding insulting and offence.

I do not need to negotiate with someone who simply thinks they have proven me wrong by saying 'is not true' over and over again.

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Since God tells us what He is like, someone who claims an experience that is counter to God's revelation is not someone to be believed.
Er? How do you know that a human-written book is what God itself said and how do you then know that God doesn't like to test our wisdom and courage by making only the smartest and bravest defy what they're brainwashed into believing and ensure only the worthy end up in the kingdom/queendom of God?

Sometimes it is obvious the person is delusional by their claims and their rationale.
Obvious how? Who is the one judging the claims and rationale and how do we know they and even us are not the insane ones?

I'm having a hard time understanding what you are saying here.
Your problem, not mine.
There is a big gulf between being the offspring of the devil and being the offspring of God.
In your opinion. If we are all God's children, this is actually inherently impossible for there to be a Gulf between and if God is the Devil it is not just Gulf-less, it is directly correlated.
When you say, "Jesus will return after the downfall but this was written before, not after, the chronological order that later had the ghost return"
what are you referring to?
Daniel 8:25 ESV
By his cunning he shall make deceit prosper under his hand, and in his own mind he shall become great. Without warning he shall destroy many. And he shall even rise up against the Prince of princes, and he shall be broken—but by no human hand.
^ 'his' being antichrist based on most interpretations and the one to break him being Jesus returning.

Revelation 17:10 ESV
They are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.
^ 'he' being antichrist. A little while as it's only until Jesus is resurrected to defeat him.

There's more but the other stuff is far more cryptic.

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Graviational SPACE As Plane Waves
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@Goldtop
Acceleration is to do with why it's spinning but why isn't it spiralling into Earth?

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@Goldtop
Why is the Moon not pulled into Earth? Because apparently it is big and dense enough to have its own gravitational field but no matter how close you are to massive skyscrapers, mountains or any such objects on Earth you don't get the slightest 'pull' from them nor to they even slightly resist the 'pull' of earth and would smash unbelievably hard and fast if you lifted them up and dropped them.
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@Goldtop
Weight doesn't require gravity.
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Live Debate!!!
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@bsh1
Must you be present in the hangouts to vote and is voting in the hangout necessary to be done via speech as opposed to typing there?
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Live Debate!!!
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@bsh1
When and what is the hangout link?
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Can you tell the difference between these definitions?
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@Outplayz
It's not my belief, Mopac is incorrect. Mopac is arguing that God ultimate itself is the reality behind this simulated one. Essentially that everything that's real except God is much like The Matrix movie's simulation and that the reality within reality within reality (inverse of dream within a dream within a dream) is God itself and absolutely nothing else. The issue with this association between God and truth is it firstly completely fails to allure to how God itself came to be 'real' since according to Mopac's reality, being real requisite's creation from an original 'realer' thing meaning that God being real requisites the very contradictory creation that atheists often like to point out in this justification for God. Additionally, Mopac's reality operates on the notion that anything can be determined to be true without something else than the true thing itself being there to interpret whether or not it's a lie or truth and then go 'oh yeah this is true'. The final flaw of Mopac's theory is that 'truth' would need to be separate from God for the statement 'God is truth' to be itself 'true' as God isn't the statement or idea itself of God being truth.
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Overwatch Chat
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@Vader
I get why you're posting what you're posting here but you'll be better off getting this seen in 'technology' sub-section.
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Can you tell the difference between these definitions?
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@Outplayz
While I have proven him/her wrong in a debate with him recently, I am very open to explaining what Mopac means if you want to truly understand his/her proposition.

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@Goldtop
The SUN is a massive disc that at best (for round earthers) is a hemispherical structure or maybe EVEN yes just maybe a sphere but more likely a disk that's basically a chode-proportioned cylinder (much thicker than it is long basically).

I'm curious did you see lava in the sun?
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@Goldtop
Everywhere. the illusion is created (even if it's curved it appears far more curved than it really is) by the clouds. If you had clouds in general life between a ceiling that was all one colour and your perspective, the massive ceiling (if it was so big the walls and corner weren't visible) would begin to naturally appear curving down as the 'clouds' got tinier and more distance. This is because you begin to assume the proportionality of the cloud and its shape as well as the effect of distance on said shape is equal to that of the background sky. Your brain 'creates' curvature where on a clear day there's absolutely no way to 'see' or know beyond prejudiced notion it's undoubtedly is curved.
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@janesix

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@janesix
I replied to your original post.
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What has convinced you
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@Mopac
Because the reality that at its core is nothingness or more than one thing is one where we have not yet broken it down to the one true thing it is makes no sense.

Much like Mopac I believe that if you break reality down enough, you reach 'God' but unlike Mopac this being true doesn't in any way mean the only 'true' or 'real' thing is God for just because something's realness is contingent on assumptions and illusions doesn't take away from it functionally being true and real and truth itself is something that can only be 'known' it can't be independent of a subjective being knowing it.
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@janesix
Consciousness is the only thing that only the self can prove its existence to. No-one who isn't the conscious being can prove to itself that that being is conscious with any real certainty.

It won't evolve, it just is.
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@janesix
The original Atlas was flat Earth. Clouds are why the sky looks curved instead of straight. Look on a 'clear day' at how the sky appears. It is far more obviously a ceiling than a clear-cut dome (although it possibly is a dome in that there's a dome/ceiling outside of the sky itself which is where 'stars' and the sun+moon as well as 'planets' are held whatever they really are).
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Other than Mopac and myself who else here is a Gnostic Theist?
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@Mopac
Space science mostly so indeed.

Other sciences have some truth to them but of course the authorities are entitled to mask truth and put out lies if they feel it serves them.
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the alpha and omega
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@janesix
The end of one age and beginning of the next is entirely up to where you decide the 'gap' or 'cut-off' is suddenly so significant and sudden that it means a whole period has ended and begun. 
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What gets your goat?
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@Vaarka
Not knowing what the fuck get your goat means doesn't mean one is feeble or weak minded.
It really gets my goat when people attribute stupidity as well as me talk weakness to things that are arbitrary and unrelated to said traits.
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@Plisken
I understand that weight exists. Gravity doesn't. 
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@Plisken
But what stops the moon falling into Earth? :)




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the alpha and omega
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@janesix
You say it so it must be true.
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Banning Homework
The only thing I learned in school that mattered was how vicious people can be to eccentrics.
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the alpha and omega
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@janesix
Considering that was make up ages arvitearily it's not a coincidence no. Really culture is always evolving and the aA
ges are much more overlapping than historians will admit.
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Jesus Was Terrified Of What Was To Come.
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@Stephen
If the Bible isn't lies written by patriarchal subliminal messaging Republicans of the time who thought they had to come up with a way to justify patriarchy in a more humane wording than the old testament, then it's likely Jesus was conned by Fiora into becoming what he did. Musled intentionally as a game to her and other alien demigods beneath her but above us.
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A Primer on Moderation
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@ethang5
Because said discretion is equally benevolent as malevolent. Literal law has never been a good justice system in real life and is why most nation's enable judges discretion and some flexibility in punishment and application of laws to cases as well enabling exceptions to occur.

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@PGA2.0
Being condemned by society and thrown into an asylum in no way at all proves the person incorrect.

You think that Christians who have experienced God are less or more delusional than Satanists or Muslims who've done the same?

The experience is deducted to be a hallucination if most of society would rather the person be wrong than right, there's nothing more to what differentiates those in the asylum from those free to say they know what's real or not.

Aside from that, it makes a lot of sense. You see when they talk first of Antichrist, John refers to it as a group of people who deny and/or oppose Christ and who is that embraced that's group as having the right to crucify him? It was Jesus himself. The later it's hinted that Antichrist is the direct offspring of the Devil much like Jesus is to God and it's said Jesus will return after the downfall but this was written before, not after, the chronological order that later had the ghost return.

God is severely sadistic. Who made hell and the devil? Who is that says love me, tell me I'm the sexiest, smartest, most good, infallible being or I torture you eternally?

Read the Bible with the outlook that there is no good guy and it will fascinate you.




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@PGA2.0
I do not care if that really happened or not. Christ is the anti Christ in the first place. The Bible is a cryptic, self-contradictory tale of how the Devil can out-persuade, outsmart and threaten the supreme reign of an omnipotent, omniscient god.
God IS the devil, god is sadistic and seductive and the son of the devil (anti-christ) is meant to bring the downfall to the very guy who engineered his own persecution and execution.

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@Goldtop
I'm sure. So why do larger objects not resist falling due to their own gravitational field in the way the moon resist being pulled into Earth supposedly?

Why doesn't a huge mountain pull something towards it, diagonally instead of letting you fall down vertically regardless of proximity to the mountain and the ground below?

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@Plisken
Density.

Why do denser things fall and less dense things rise? The why to that would be like why is anything what it is.

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@Barney
But the average user of this site is so much more often male that randomised 50/50 is going to offend many users being assumed female whereas the reverse is less offensive.

For now the superior outcome of "no information" being default has solved the dilemma.

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A Primer on Moderation
You cannot remove subjectivity from a human scheme of power. Let to play the game, stop sitting and crying.
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@mustardness
Do you know that gravity is a lie?
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Live Debate!!!
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@DebateArt.com
I personally wouldn't because I don't want to associate who I am IRL with what I say here and the doxxing rules (while I don't agree revealing a PM should be under that rule) are very important to why outcasts in real life society like me come here but aren't willing to have our real name associated with the stuff we posted here etc. This is always the first thing I check on a site I join, the moment a site like this doesn't say 'you are not allowed to reveal who a person is' then I play it very differently in that I will avoid saying certain views and completely reduce the effort I put in.

You may think 'well that's your fault for having such stupid views and being a troll' (actually I am not a troll despite what I used to be on DDO years back, I genuinely believe the crazy shit I post here usually) but it's not just me. Look at Mopac, mustardness, ethang, stephen and basically every religious forum mainer. We're all coming here to speak in a place where people actually give a fuck about things people don't IRL and although most will taunt and tease even here at least it's not us (the person) who has to take the brunt of what we say.

I am sure the more sociable users would LOVE you to make a google hangouts type league thing but to me the doxxing rule is very important and is why I feel comfortable staying here and comfortable in not participating.

I am saying the idea is fine, go ahead and do it but the participation rate will be below 50% of users purely due to the urge to separate the real self from what's posted here (employers searching names and shit).
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What is the best iphone model?
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@IlDiavolo
Two not three years sorry
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US States ENDGAME
I knew both scum on d1 because of how much more active and emotional Hammer was being. Budda was using far less emojis and far more serious-toned. The only one who confused me was the trump image guy, he was scummy as fuck.
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Good music
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Add an "other" option for gender
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@bsh1
@Tejretics
You boys think you invented this of course you do:


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Platform development
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@Tejretics
I said this first:
(1) Add an "other" option.

(2) Change it from "sex" to "gender."

Awkward. ;) RM always supreme, know it.

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Nature = God/Universe/Cosmos
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@mustardness
While you are often correct, I never understand your reasoning for things.
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Everything is Wrong about the Biblical Creation in Genesis
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@Stephen
"I'm Adam" "I'm Madam".

"Adam and Eve" "Adamant Eve."

Adam was nothing more than a nice being with a cock for Eve to use and enjoy, and his snake sure was fun to play with. Eve never got his apple stuck in her throat, she swallowed. It was an erotica and people read it as some kind of Patriarchal nonsense, it was the undeniable prowess of herself, Goddess Fiora posing as a human who was the Eve to all humans to come.

There is much to learn dearest follower of the supreme Fiora.

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother", Question then is , how would this be possible in the case of Adam who had no parents? If we were to say god was his father then we would still be stuck with the absence of his mother.
This is absolutely correct, he has only a Mother. A female can create life, a male can't. Fundamental concept in all species throughout history and to date discovered.
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God is the Devil. She is an amoral being. 

Discussion over.
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what is the Earth's purpose?
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@janesix
Not at all, quite the opposite. The more Satanic you are, the more you'll prosper in life but it's not as simple as that because Satanist is full of simple-minded greedy fools.

The real Devil is God and God is all about long-term strategy that means repaying those who are loyal to and admire you. Be the devil herself, God herself and you will prosper in life. Do not have morals but also do not forget that lack of any moral-seeming code is lack of discipline and lack of discipline is the surest way to make dumb decisions in life.
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Add an "other" option for gender
And add alpha male and supreme queen to it as well as beta male and girly girl.

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Talking to God
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@Castin
Yes, there is a group of alien demigods beneath her that work for her. They are actually the Illuminati we speak of and experiment with many realities like our flat Earth. This is nothing more than a game to them and the 'test' is how soon you work out that you have to ultimately give into the Devil because Heaven is an illusion, nothing more. This is why 'heaven' in Eastern philosophy is literally never being reborn again... Being reincarnated as the best being itself (which would be greater than God and no such being exists and you can't become God).

She speaks via her alien minions via clues and the clues are not just hints, they are sometimes things happening to me, events if you will.

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The thing about the progressive movement is they only seem for now to care about the 'less gendered' among us.

I am a true 'alpha male' and that should be an option too muahahahaha.

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@Stephen
Bible is a lie, the devil is much closer to God's real personality than Jesus is.
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Is anyone on here currently a high school debater?
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@Jhhillman
I noticed something phenomenal in my schooling life as a debate-geek... The older the debater, the worse they were at adapting. What fascinated me was that as I aged to around 17 hitting my last year of school, I noticed something phenomenal; I got better and better but others got worse and worse as they got older.

There is something they lose in creativity that is horrifying to me and it's most blatant in the 15-16 period for most males. They suddenly become so rigid in their style and thinking and become TERRIBLE last-round carries for the team. I never got to properly lead a team because by the time I was 17-18 I moved schools, it's a long story. So basically I had zero rep-worth in my new school and lost my credibility as a last-round monster. I would come up with insanely creative comebacks that judges said they'd never ever heard before on the topic in 12 years of judging and stuff.

That being said, I was a very irritating individual due to emotional shit I was going through and my teams often hated how bad I was at team-playing and I regret it but regrets make you improve as a human being so whatever I improved due to it. I was stubborn and horrible at working around the thinking-patterns my teammates had on the topic. Instead of going with their flawed strategy and making it as great as it can be, I would always want to force the optimal strategy onto them and in hindsight I knew so little about people back then it was scarily pathetic.

Anyways, I don't regret it; debating teaches you so much about people but as a life skill it's nothing but a pointless hobby outside of your own brain because people hate debating and adore people who make them feel smart and correct.
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@Mopac
you are unblocked but please stop saying 'god is truth'. God is 'true' and a part of 'truth' but god is not truth itself because god could lie, for instance and things other than god are true such as the statement 'god is real'.
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