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vtl whiteflame
I only unvote to allow time to discuss things. I am truly firm in my belief that whiteflame is scum.
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@Barney
I am quoting myself from DP1:
I will just out as clearly Wylted is deadset on fucking up yhe entire sotuation.I cannot be hammered today unless 9, yes 9, votes are against me. The -3 votes against me changes by +1 for every eliminated player, even if they are dead. At mylo, which I won't be notified of being present, my role is deactivated so I would be hammered at the normal amount. This leads me to want to out earlier anyway.My governor is one who won very large, no close votes and has won more than once. I will out him when needed.I now want whiteflame to out. Feel free to test my role. I am concerned mafia have someone who has more than 1 vote weight. So keep it at 7, not 8. There may also be a hated (inverse of me) player amongst Town to balance me out. I forgot my exact role name so will check PMs right now, I am saying this all from memory.
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@Barney
I will just lay out why I land on WF being scum:
DP1, SirAnon later on DP2 admits he knew Austin outing meant Austin was sheriff (he randomly flexes this after we lynch That2User, meaning he probably felt cocky enough to flex it if scum anyway). Whiteflame notices this on DP3 I think it was (I am typing from memory after a decent reading of the game a while ago, still a relative skimread though). Then, Whiteflame not only notices that as a 'scumslip' from SA but even notices that I was wrong to say SA was the only investigator (I have played elsewhere that Sheriff at times just means someone with a gun that shoots and then is revealed to everybody and who doesn't actually investigate).
WF was forced to lead onto Wylted DP1 as Wylted decided to troll-claim. Wylted did not troll when genuinely consistently trying to drive me off of Whiteflame again and again, I kept pushing it and as I had best korea backing me hardcore, it scared Wylted as he'd just thrown with his claim before he fully realised I was actually deadly serious about honing in on whiteflame. Wylted assumed i'd easily sway to another suspect but I didn't. I caught onto what he was doing and that's also why he failed to vote whiteflame or anyone after BK was modkilled despite being active since that point. He was ready to take the L for his teammate(s) to look Towny.
WF even went out of his way to say this today:
It was a bad choice that ended up pushing what should have been an obvious lynch out to DP3. Even if you're right and I end up flipping scum, it was still a bad choice to split the vote.
Whiteflame struggles psychologically with the idea of directly lying, this is one of the secret reads I've had on him that I am now revealing because more than any other day period or moment in this day period, this is the moment to reveal this. He also struggled to lie hard DP1 as I pushed hard on him and lash out or really ridicule me or go 'fuck you you're scum' in politer words. He is a skilled Town player but an overrated scum player, if one pressures him correctly. He clams up and goes all defensive and tame. He doesn't like to outright lie and be cocky when he knows deep down he's correctly being accused. It hurts him to do so.
This combined with you not hammering him mean unless SA is scum with GP as SA was afk while I voted Whiteflame with GP, I also have essentially confirmed him as scump physically now too but if you wondered why I originally bandwagoned him this DP, you now know.
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@Skipper_Sr
Everyone who posted so far has trolled, you may not be that good at picking up sardonic tone to know.
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In general, I am blue, red and (depending on the situation) gold. Online on a website like this, I can see a lot of silver.
I definitely am not primarily an Indigo person but when I vote in politics, I do consider myself to be that quite a bit.
I also am confused because maybe I am an indigo person but to me it feels like gold since I innately, with ease, see the big picture most of the time. I prefer to negotiate hard than compromise softly though, that's where I feel I'm not an indigo person.
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@Barney
whether you are scum or town, that2 was getting voted off there and I understand why.
I was all for stalling that day, seeing if wylted died to the high noon and observing behaviours and interactions some more.
I have suspicions That2 has something idk if I should say or not. I do not mean low intelligence, I mean more along the lines of something like dyspraxia, ADHD or something. This is not about calling out or embarassing at all, it's something I've noticed that even as Town, That2 will at times completely slip up things and in fact it's something even I do but I do it more because I am not about the details that I deem unworthy to matter. Maybe That2 is like that, maybe not. It is actually paramount to include psychological analysis in reads, I risk saying it on this website only on this topic there because I am trying to explain why I overlooked That2 saying 'vanilla' and meaning 'miller, which is a vanilla that appears guilty in my mind'. There was a clear dissonance between claiming it and remembering to appear towny and that 'no vanillas' was in the game, even though the next second that data came to That2's recollection clearly and That2 said something like 'why would I claim vanilla in a game with no vanillas, lol' meaning That2 did not at all collaborate or discuss with others what to claim before outing that, or they'd have corrected the lapse in linking that to the OP and worrying about it looking like a slip.
I also considered That2 to potentially be converted due to purifier, so I figured maybe Wylted or SirAnonymous is cult leader and That2 is feeling an urgency to sacrifice to take heat off of them.
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I unvote whiteflame solely to show mutual respect that we are both unvoting to extend the day. I want to reason with you
I still want to vote wf absolutely. I will do so.
I want you to unvote with me.
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@Barney
Please unvote gp, give me 15 to 20 mins for irl things
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@Barney
Unvote and let me reason with you. I need to do something irl ssriously give me 15 mins legit ill be bacm
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@Barney
Barney wtf is wrong with you?? Are you trolling?
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@Barney
Did you see the post where I claimed? I wont even go back and read it. I AM THAT sure I claimed mylo deactivates me. I am 0 now not plus anything unless we are not at mylo. If we are not at mylo, I am actually at plus 2 but that is very unlikely, legit it makes no sense.
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@Greyparrot
It could be you and SA but I am seriously confident it is WF.
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@Barney
Why dont you unvote? What reason are you rushing? You justified rushing by my claim
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@Barney
Whiteflame went silent since I put him L-1, he wouldnt do that as town, he has been online since
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@Barney
My reads are entirely based on a combination of this game and previous games
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@Barney
Pie doesnt tell me when we are at mylo, I am not warned.
My role is an earlygame power role, lategame va illa role which has the same power spike as Whiteflame's fakeclaim
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@Barney
I descrobed it dp1. At mylo my role stops working, now I realise it is to protect me. I said so dp1.
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@Barney
If you are Town, you totally misunderstood me. Wth good would it do to switch to gp instead of wf if you read both as firm scum
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@Barney
I start with -3 votes against me, it goes down to 0 as people get eliminated. It deactivates no matter what at MYLO but in a game this big that deactivation is moot as by the over 3 are eliminated clearly.
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@Barney
Right now i am completely vanilla, you troll.
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@Barney
If you are Town, you are why we just lost the game.
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@Barney
Town lying about being 1x on dp4 is gamehrpwing. He has stayed true to the lie by not saying 'by the way I lied and visited these w people afger' today.
Whiteflame would never gt like that. He is scum.
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@Barney
But if somehow it was MYLO while I was still negative votes against, I would instantly lose it anyway.
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@Barney
No
Even deaths reduce it. In other words no matter what once 3 are dead I lose it.
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@Barney
I think WF is a perpetual roleblocker. No recruitment element. I think his partner is you.
That is my current read.
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@Barney
As recruited senator, if I even kept my power, I would only be lynch proof until mylo ended for Town which was on mislynch away.
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@Barney
I am abspltely sure WF is svum, what do you eant me to tell you?
It is so so so many different things he said, how.he said and did them etc tjis game. My subconscious has been picking it up from dp1 but him outing as a used up 1z jailer when we were voting That2 anyway is the weirdest thing, even weirder than him voting after lynches are complete for 2 dps. He just said he'd sooner consider you and I as a team.
It is so so so many different things he said, how.he said and did them etc tjis game. My subconscious has been picking it up from dp1 but him outing as a used up 1z jailer when we were voting That2 anyway is the weirdest thing, even weirder than him voting after lynches are complete for 2 dps. He just said he'd sooner consider you and I as a team.
I have 3 secret additional reasons or clues that make me scumread him but I a. Dedicated to having secret reads for emergencies only. He is already obvius to me beyond the secret tells he has leaked.
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@Barney
No it doesnt, I believe you are scum with WF as things are.
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@Barney
I didn't think of that.
I know I am Town and it literally didnt occur to me to think that way. Idk what else to say.
I do have a good reason why; I already was a reason wylted Lived and they did figure Supa may be itching to Ot to me. It is wiser to recruit a potential investigative PR or gunned PR for sure.
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Pie has informed me, Purifier doesnt do things like cure miller or compulsive visitor.
My vote is not moving off of WF either way.
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@Barney
Okay when I say yaluza I mean 1x recruiter, same shit to me, yak default sacrifices but doesnt always
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@Barney
There is a common variant of Yaluza that is 1x and doesnt die such as the one that converted you when you replaced me in that game.
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I am totally sure of this vote. So many different things add up to me scumreading him.
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@whiteflame
Now vote me and lets have the real fucking showdown.
Next DP give hammer to whoever my algorithm says. In no scenario should Barney get it.
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@whiteflame
I am done negotiating. I am going to say this and tjis alone. If you flip Yakuza who also has 1x RB power, GP is definitely Town, you wouldnt convert compulsive visitor
If you flip pure Yakuza, SA has to be partner.
I am completely done rethinking this read I have had since dp1.
VTL whiteflame
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@whiteflame
Major slip. Me amd Barney are both online with kill pressure on you. If you were Town you would have noticed that.
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