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@ADreamOfLiberty
If you vote Trump past primaries knowing the indictments against him, you're a moron.
Play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
yeah that's the stupid game, not voting back into power a man with a history of being a crooked cheating sociopath with zero morals.
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@whiteflame
If you had Joebob's or Wylted's (especially Wylted's) role, we'd be singing a very different tune rn.
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Trump can rot in prison for all I care. I won't lose any sleep over that. If Republicans are stupid enough to risk their candidate being that blatantly prone to prison and pass him through the primaries, they deserve to lose the election by default if he is a convicted criminal.
What is it those Republicans love to say...
Play stupid games win what?
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@HistoryBuff
You have to pay more money because so many opposite it that appeals end up disproportionately driving up the price.
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@HistoryBuff
Let me put this very differently to you.
If you are Nigerian, Indian or whatever else, nobody at all who isn't racist would hold you at all accountable for what some corrupt people of your race even if in your family's ancestry did. Many did this to those that are on bloodlines of Nazi regime soldiers esp higher ranking ones. It's wrong and unfair.
Yet this is what is being done to white people. We don't hold all Japanese responsible for what some Samurai psychopaths did, not do we to Peruvians for cannibal tribes nor rapist invaders of the past if they're down that bloodline. It makes no sense to specifically target white people for this bloodline guilt.
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@HistoryBuff
I think where his point falls off is " I'm proud to have this privilege." You can be proud of being white. But being proud of the fact that other people get treated like shit makes you a shitty person. If everyone got treated the way white people get treated, then white people wouldn't have any privilege. So being proud of your privilege means you are proud that others are discriminated against.
Not really. If you're:
big dick (unless too huge to be believable and easily fit) be tall, strong, good looking, nice voiced, good IQ etc.
you are also proud of your privilege or else there'd be a lot less to have pride or joy in regarding the trait.
If you're black and get affirmative action, black friends and even white people that fetishize you into you for that reason, you may actually enjoy some privileges you'd otherwise lack.
If you're a native in any Asian country rn you have a lot more privilege than anyone that looks like a foreigner does (literally any, they don't care if the native lived abroad and the foreign looking one never set foot outside the country). There's racist pride all over the world for the majority tribe/race and natives in general. It's literally the privilege of being the 'in-crowd' that your pride is based on. Why are you proud to be anything unless it's a winning thing to be in your eyes?
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@TheUnderdog
It's funny but this is kind of true.
Nobody isn't at least somewhat proud to have a big dick (unless too huge to be believable and easily fit) be tall, strong, good looking, nice voiced, good IQ etc.
You have a point and I've never understood why it's considered immoral or wrong to be proud to be white, straight etc if the others literally have pride marches for their sexuality or race neither of which they earned at all. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
The argument 'they're underprivileged'is actually irrelevant. Are you saying a trailer park poor white guy can be super proud of being white then? In that case white privilege is defeated as a valid statement of this propaganda used.
Instead, I support the idea that all should either be proud or not proud and I lean towards not proud of things they didn't earn. Don't be ashamed, don't be proud, it's just there. Don't say 'I am unapologetically black and proud of it' because you did fuck all to earn that, your ancestors at most did and that's not you or your 'right to pride' more than a white person has for what their ancestors did to gain them privilege or lack thereof if underprivileged. It's all so asinine to me.
Pride in something you didn't earn is either completely okay or it is completely not okay, it can't possibly be less okay if you're on the winning end of things, so I do get your point and this has genuinely never made sense to me.
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@AustinL0926
I expected some ninja power but to have a passive permanent godfather and a passive permanent ascetic is insane.
I could only catch 2 mafia members and had 2 capable of roleblocking me. This game could have been much uglier had Wylted slowplayed.
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@AustinL0926
Lunatic protects Barney
This is a bit crazy to me, why didn't he selfsave? I would have, in his shoes.
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@AustinL0926
You may use one of the following abilities once per game
Considering how confusing other wordings have been that makes it seem to a fast reader like he's able to use them once per game but I did notice that was worded stranger than 'each' and didn't know what to make of it.
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@AustinL0926
Whiteflame's team had a completely powerless teammate who only had passive ascetic which can help the other team by disrupting invesigations and analysis. Whiteflame has roleblocker only on even nights even if his teammate kills on the odd.
This is not how anything in the PM was worded and is why I was so confused at how Wylted could do anything to me while ijb1 killed me.
Wylted has permanent godfather even while killing which is superior to 'no result' because cop will literally clear him and can instead use ninja and appear innocent to tracker etc really messing Town up.
The Strongman option is also confusing as your role descriptions towards BK for his BP night and also to Lunatic make it appear you're literally making them immune to nightkills not just 'saving' or 'vesting' but immunising them to nightkills no matter what which strongman then proves wrong later.
If, let's say, Wylted slowplayed the game (which he should have given his role) and we didn't have a gamethrower with 7k's role, all you've done is make absolute hell and chaos because tracker and cop on even nights can barely do anything functional to help Town (especially the cop) and the scum function in ways that make no real sense to the others.
The only scum person who had a role I'd say is solid, balanced and makes sense in the game is ijb1. Could ijb1 stalk on even nights btw, if he didn't kill?
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@AustinL0926
Wylted could act on any night, but that's really not as OP as you think. 1-shot means that he can only use 1 out of the 3 abilities, leaving the other 2 wasted. Roleblocker was probably the weakest out of the 3.
so he couldn't use all 3 at different times? That's how your wording makes it seem.
To me and others that's how every single one of us took it it seems.
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@AustinL0926
whiteflame was perfectly aware he could roleblock if his teammate performed the factional kill, he mentioned it in discord several times insofar as blocking your N2 investigation.
Then why did he give up his NP1 roleblocking if he's unlimited?
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@AustinL0926
so for Whiteflame the wording meant if his teammate killed he couldn't roleblock but for Wylted he is not only nonstop godfather but has 3 options during a NP his teammate kills...
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@AustinL0926
You told us what happened NP1 in your OP, it shows whiteflame didn't act.
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@AustinL0926
Another example of how your wording tricked people is that whiteflame sacrificed his roleblocking NP1 based on the actions you told as he didn't realise he was allowed to while joebob did the NK, Wylted however didn't on NP2 as he was more openminded to it being tricky wording.
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@AustinL0926
You can't put this in all Mafia role descriptions:
You may perform a factional kill [one odd/even night] ONLY on the player that you personally visited the previous night.
and then bypass it NP1 and expect Town to realise that.
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@AustinL0926
Then say that in the role description because I guarantee nobody in the game understood that at all and on NP2 you did limit the other mafia team to only be able to kill Joebob. Are you saying if somehow 2 people were lost by next NP (let's say bleeder and a lynch) or if only 1 of a team was left that they'd have had free reign to kill someone their role banned them NKing?
To me this is 100% bastard modding making retrospect analysis from what the tracker catches nigh-useless.
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Idk why anyone is saying Cop was unstoppable. There were 2 roleblockers in game (1 unlimited, other 1x per game) a nonstop passive godfather role and an ascetic. I had only 2 people in the entire game I could catch out and caught one by sheer luck it seems rather thant he other 2 scum I couldn't catch out.
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@AustinL0926
how was joebob capable of NKing GP NP1? Quite honestly I think you bastard modded this
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how could joebob NK GP if he didn't visit GP night before NP1...
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@Lunatic
especially 7k. You basically scumread everyone and are proud of it.
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@AustinL0926
You underpowered Town, not overpowered at all. It's because Barney and myself were the PRs and because Scum's strongarm got wasted because they rushed it (as Wylted was vulnerable from DP1 onwards despite an uncatchable role overall) that it looks Townsided.
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@AustinL0926
No they weren't. Wylted's team were objectively more powerful.
If Wylted was a much better player than he was, he only had to play how Whiteflame did and he'd have not only won but been vindicated by PRs potentially along the way to cement him as a clear.
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Wylted's team had so much more power than Whiteflame's team and then Wylted's team had an extra NK chance on top of that...
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@Mharman
I want to host a game themeless and based on an old Epicmafia setup.
Requires 8 to play. Pls full this in idk what to do as Austin isn't in signups or game anymore.
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This was seriously weird to me, the way the game was balanced and designed made very little sense to me
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@AustinL0926
Your rules were ridiculous tbph, you didn't even punish Town for negotiating with Wylted to know enemy mafia which is unfair edge attempt
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@Best.Korea
We win if we hammered first in a 2v2, read the original mechanics and it says that. It's part of why I fought extra hard DP1 because in a 4v4 7k still gets lynched.
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@WyIted
It's so easy right?
Run one then.
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@whiteflame
Imagine giving Jailkeeper to the other team. Austin trolled you guys hard.
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@AustinL0926
Also I copped ijb1 and predicted scum don't kill Barney but we can pretend it wasn't intuition ;)
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@AustinL0926
Oh wow..
So GP was wrong on the split, even I fell for that. Sorry but how can you put hydra with fusion and think Town doesn't assume it's teamsplite for the pairs?
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7k had the worst role ever, it's so scummy to claim that LOL so we got lucky he had that role
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@AustinL0926
If I hadn't voted BK then what was worst
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Mafia is high stress for some low to medium fun, idk if it's worth it tbh
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Barney replacing Vader was very necessary. Super happy that happened.
Insane game, insane comeback and insane brainfarts by me too despite carrying otherwise
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Weird as hell game though and I really do apologise for voting haphazardly at the end.
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GP and Barney played well. I genuinely think the best Townies were there at the end and idc who that offends.
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I still don't get why Lunatic didn't save someone NP1 even if that personw wasnt me.
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@Greyparrot
Yes and I admit I messed up bad voting BK and that you also solved the themesplit in terms of pairs.
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@Greyparrot
I can tell you what he said already, if you are asking genuinely.
He isn't going to slip as he already clarified it. It's probably a genuine fakeclaim his team was given.
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@Greyparrot
I have scumread Joebob all game, I just messed up super super bad and forgot that the enemy faction absorbs the other's NK if the other dies. That's the only reason I voted BK as I thought we had autowin.
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Wylted NP1 strongarmed joebob, not whiteflame. That's how he knew joebob was ascetic. However he let ijb kill Town while he roleblocked me next NP.
Idk who ijb1 stalked np1 but it must be a town member.
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