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@AustinL0926
NP1 could mafia kill without previsiting, yes or no? Or can't we know?
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@Greyparrot
Tell me how can BK stop me investigating Joebob while killing Barney
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@Greyparrot
BK can be scum here based on behaviour, nobody is denying that.
BK can't be scum based on mechanics and Joebob is way scummier. Even his role doesn't fully make sense for this setup. It doesn't quite fit at all.
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@Greyparrot
What do you mean? He seems to be very supported. Whiteflame is probably guiding him on Discord.
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@Greyparrot
What does that mean, I said yes.
He isn't a typical vig anyway he's a 1 NP BP vig that has to activate the NP before.
He activated it as early as NP1 which honestly if he hadn't would make me suspect him a lot more. He is caught visiting Wylted the exact NP he said he would and next night Luna dies.
Now you answer me, is Joebob acting like a Townie bloodthirsty for BKsnlynch more now when it's needed or the DP before when he seemed to want to indirectly save ijb1 by talking me into voting off BK (so that ijb1 kills me, instead of joebob, a clever planning ahead as he thought he's screwed either way and that saves him)
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@Greyparrot
I am not talking about assuming, I am saying read the other 3 mafia active roles. They all can't be used if the person kills that night. Austin clarified for me fully.
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@Greyparrot
Not allow, not assume. My question overrides yours. I literally think BK cannot be scum, physically.
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Maybe np1 Wylted strongarmed whiteflame instead of Ninja. Makes more sense.
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@Greyparrot
First explain how it's possible BK did NP4 kill while using active power.
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@Greyparrot
Yes. His frustration probably stemmed from me voting him while he was AFK as well as realising Duck doesn't properly fit his role's vig aspect
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This is the only coherent series of events and is part of what made me reread DP1's OP to unvote. I realised BK being scum can't add up.
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NP1
Wylted Ninja-prepares a kill on Whiteflame.
Ijb1 stalks Joebob
Whiteflame??? Idk if he or Joebob could do anything this NP as it counted as a kill night even though they couldn't kill. Whoever he did roleblock wasn't affected by it and it can't have been BK as BK activated his vig power successfully.
NP2
Ijb1 kills Joebob (this is how Town lost it's armor)
Wylted roleblocks RM
Joebob does his funky stuff, whatever that stuff is, on Lunatic.
BK vigshots Wylted
NP3
Ijb1 stalks RM
Joebob kills Lunatic
NP4
Joebob kills Barney
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@Greyparrot
If you can't do that, you should agree it's impossible BK is scum.
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@Greyparrot
I answered it.
Explain how BK could do something active NP4 to disrupt me investigating Joebob while also killing Barney if all other 3 Mafia have restrictions onmtheir powers barring them to use active powers when NKing.
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Joebob has ascetic passive defense powers and that fits the bot Defender so well.
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@Greyparrot
GP let me explain something and IK I have to be humble because I fucked up hard this DP but please realise you're not paying as much attention as me this game:
There is only the possibility of a passive role working while the same scum member kills. This means if BK is scum, you think he passively roleblocks cop every even NP.
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@Greyparrot
Just explain how that's even possible and after that I'll explain why I've Townread BK all game long and vice versa for Joebob.
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@Greyparrot
How did BKnuse an active type of role to shield joebobnfrom my investigation on same night he killed if other 3 mafia all have 'can only use on non-killing nights'?
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@AustinL0926
I'm not complaining, I just have been thoroughly mindfucked by the intricate mechanics here.
It's actually a humbling experience. I'm used to things being way too nonsense or basic here.
Credit to GP for not joining me voting BK fast enough.
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Okay so the only thing that mechanically proves it, is that joebob is ascetic andnBK can't turn him ascetic on same night as he kills.
The Luna kill doesn't vindicate BK, the joebob no result while Barney dies does.
The Luna kill doesn't vindicate BK, the joebob no result while Barney dies does.
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@AustinL0926
If motivated, can a scum kill who they didn't visit previously?
If absorbing factional kill of other faction can they still.use active power on same night they kill.
If absorbing factional kill of other faction can they still.use active power on same night they kill.
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@AustinL0926
Can you reiterate fully to me what 'can only use on non-killing nights' means?
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Wait a minute...
Wylted and ijb can't kill on odd nights. Therefore they kill on even.
How was I roleblocked by Wylted on NP2?
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@AustinL0926
Put my name before BK in the vote list that's misinformation.
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Wait nvm that's kind of genius.
Joebob visits Luna and his ascetic means he can't be tracked. I claim I'm roleblocked, Barney claims it same NP, whiteflame is a dead roleblocker. That would have been mayhem.
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@Greyparrot
GP for a second totally ignore reads and BKs behaviour this DP (the defeatism is a towntell but maybe he is referencing a fakeclaim being hopeless).
Why exactly would Austin give Town a 1x motivator that can end up.giving mafia double powers?
If cop gre 2 investigations there are 2 different roles that can roleblock him. Same with tracker.
Why didn't joebob motivate me ASAP NP1 after the DP1 events?
How can BK visit Wylted and even with motivation kill Lunatic the next NP? He'd have to kill Wylted twice in the same NP due to the restriction on mafia roles.
How can BK use power NP4 on a kill night where he also killed?
Joebob can have passive ascetic and this would maintain through a kill. Joebob must have visited Lunatic NP2, which he'd argue he motivated if tracked.
Joebob kills Lunatic and then proceeds to absorb ijb's factional kill. Joebob asks over and over if Barney can promise he will investigate BK and not Joebob maybe for wisdom in hopes he investigated joebob.
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This is about mechanics of the game.
You couldn't kill Lunatic after visiting Wylted unless Wylted and Whiteflame were both same faction.
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@Best.Korea
You as Whiteflame's partner could go after Wylted that's not a towntell
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@Best.Korea
No you didn't. He faked that long before anyone was voting him except me.
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@Best.Korea
The PM Wylted referenced is likely from Joebob as bodyguard in his mafia game during 10th March for Wylted at the time he mentioned.
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@Best.Korea
No matter how this goes, one must admit that Joe's strategy was flawless and I got outplayed here badly because he specifically waited to "motivate" me who is a player with unconfirmable role so that there is literally no way of saying if me or Joe are scum and one of us has to be at this point.
But I told him to do that. He was reluctant to motivate anybody.
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@Best.Korea
And I didnt vote town player in dp1, despite that I could have easily.
You also.didnt vote Wylted to allow an easy hammer on him at any point DP1 so maybe you were blending in as Whiteflame's partner.
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@zedvictor4
Jesus was likely resurrected even later than Easter due to month changes over time.
Happy bunny egg day Zedvictor.
Happy bunny egg day Zedvictor.
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@WyIted
You are Pro choice in denial, that's all to tell you.
Prolife are the absolutists not the other way around.
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@Greyparrot
How can Mafia, even with a motivated kill, kill Lunatic if they visited Wylted the NP before?
How can they use a power for non-killing nights only (active) when killing Barney?
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@Greyparrot
Joebob is acting how I'd expect mafia to, chilling out silently waiting for hammer on BK until I unvoted him.
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@Greyparrot
Also, it seems strange to me how no bloodthirsty joebob is for BK this DP when he has to be as Town Vs last DP when he could have voted in with us easily.
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@Greyparrot
All the mafia powers say they only work on non-killing nights. Not 2 but all 3.
There is no way unless Austin is bastardmodding that BK can redirect or turn ascetic another player here on the same night he NKs.
There is no way unless Austin is bastardmodding that BK can redirect or turn ascetic another player here on the same night he NKs.
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@Best.Korea
Don't unvote again please.
We win a 2v2 tie if you hammered it before they did.
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@Best.Korea
BK why do you always pretend to forget that if we lynch the wrong person we lose?
Right now joebob has absorbed the mafia faction kill right? He gets both odd and even nights.
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@Greyparrot
I give you credit for. Cracking scum theme as I didn't check hydra enough to see that since I'd looked at others and they all had different creator team.
I give you credit for stalling voting BK as I messed up thinking about mechanics.
I do not give you credit for always having right reads, no offense.
BK is a troll on here and off here. He lives to wind people up. Idk why he has switched to this tone and mode but something is clear to me:
If BK visits Wylted NP2, he can only kill Wylted the next NP unless Wylted and whiteflame were the same team. The reason if they were the same team that things change is that BK would have 2 nightkills and have absorbed their factional kill.
If this is the case, I think if his partner was ijb1 that ijb still can use his power if his partner is doing the killing as everything changes with absorption.
However, from what I read on the roles, they can't be used on a night the same person kills. So, what I am saying is that BK could not kill Barney and do some ascetic funky shit to Joebob on the same night and neither could you.
Joebob's ascetic function has to be passive like Wylted's godfather because passive roles are maintained even if the mafia is killing.
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@WyIted
I think I am a pretty typical pro lifer. I think first trimester leave it to the conscience of the woman but after that maybe it should be a decision for a woman and her doctor.
Only in America is this the prolife side. In Europe etc this is the prochoice side. In fact even in totally prolife nations this is a prochoice stance.
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