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Barney's tracks helped the game a lot. I was right until i changed my mind...
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idk why I didn't think about this last DP.
BK couldn't kill Lunatic on the night after he visited Wylted, that's not how the mafia roles are structured.
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I should have paid more attention to the absorption mechanic. TY GP for stalling. It saved us.
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@JoeBob
I used offensive and defensive differently in that text. Defensive as we can’t kill anyone. Offensive as in you can kill. BK is the only offensive.
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@Greyparrot
Listen to me carefully:
Unless this mindfuck semantic gymnastic nonsense is going on with this game and Austin, there's no way for BK to visit Wylted NP2 and then nightkill Lunatic NP3 even if he had a kill extra he has to visit someone to then kill them based on all other roles in the game.
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on NP2, for BK as WF's partner to visit Wylted is to essentially throw everything away unless BK's motivation let him kill Lunatic without previsiting which is impossible surely
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@AustinL0926
so if you were the odd faction and were motivated NP2, you'd get double power NP3? Able to fire twice at Town or whoever?
Or instead would you just get it again NP4?
This is extremely unclear
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WF's team has to be odd because ijb who is with Wylted couldn't kill on the night when ijb stalked me (NP3).
There's one problem I don't understand though, if a team can't kill, they can use their power even on their killing night if they're not killing then. This is all so confusing.
What seems definite/certain is this:
Ijb1 couldn't kill on np3, yet a kill happened. This must mean the killer can't be his partner. The killer has odd nights no matter what!
The killer's innate odd-night kill function means the only way NP4 nightkill happened was by absorption and if it was a kill night and the kill happened on Barney, the mafia cannot possibly have actively made something happened to me or joebob to stop me investigating him.
I vtl Joebob and apologise for this blinkered thinking about mechanics.
I am essentially brand new, I think I barely played this type of mafia so not truly brand new, to factional splits and the wordings of things got me very confused. I should have focused on that line that said they absorb the other's kills. It would have been crystal clear.
Joebob has passive ascetic just as Wylted has passive godfather.
On NP1, ijb1 stalked joebob. This explains nearly everything that follows.
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So the only way I got no result has to be by joebob being ascetic
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@AustinL0926
if scum were motivated would they gain their non-killing power a night they wouldn't on top of their kill?
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@AustinL0926
You may target one player per non-killing night to block active actions (but not factional kills).
this is a revealed wording.
If all nights are killing nights, this type of power should disappear.
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@AustinL0926
The role says it can only be used on non-kill nights. Are you saying their role still works but only on the odd/even nights it already did? I don't understand what you say because if one faction absorb's the others than all nights are factional kill nights by semantic logic. I genuinely don't understand.
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That shit was super close, I forgot the other faction absorb's the other's powers
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@AustinL0926
so they become vanilla scum the rest of the game?
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@AustinL0926
Does a factional power that says 'can only use on non-kill nights' maintain this as an absolute rule even when the faction absorbs the other's kill nights?
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I will now explain why the mafia partner of Whiteflame has to be joebob to nearly 100% certainty.
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If one faction is entirely eliminated, the other faction will receive their factional kill for subsequent nights.
I fucked up big time not reading this
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Apparently the bot Defender, despite the name, is still a very aggressive bot.
This means GP almost definitely cracked the scumsplit (same designer Team) of pairings. The team split is probably that they are more built for drawn out battles and capitalising on mistakes, whereas the scum bots are built to brutalise the opponents and force mistakes
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@TheUnderdog
#Hashtagyourbelief
#Orelseyoudontbelieveit
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Trump is a real philosopher, how dare you...
🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@Greyparrot
@JoeBob
vote as you see fit.
I am certain that this is the mechanically sound move. At this point reads don't matter, the mechanics are dictating something as an optimal path.
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@AustinL0926
I vtl Best.Korea
this is based solely on kill order/mechanics.
I believe if Joebob is mafia he cannot possibly kill this NP. Same with GP for that matter.
I do not, however, believe that BK is unable to kill this NP as BK was motivated and had an extra kill meaning the NP4 kill was unnatural and BK has odd nights and can turn another player ascetic.
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@Greyparrot
I am willing to lynch BK for mechanical reasons.
Neither mafia can have a kill this next NP without it being bastard modding and gamebreaking abusive powers.
BK being motivated explains the NP4 NP3 consecutive kill in a way that Joebob being mafia doesn't explain at all unless he were ijb's teammate.
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@Greyparrot
I don't scumread BK but the mechanics make my read wrong. How did mafia kill 2 nights in a row unless BK got motivated, unless Joebob was the partner of ijb?
Nothing mechanically adds up
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@Greyparrot
He had to visit Wylted only because Barney was tracker, he did it planning ahead. It's possible
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@Greyparrot
I think you may be right the more I think about it.
If BK was motivated by joebob and it carries through meaning BKs natural.NP3 kill happened amd then he had it on NP4 unnaturally even though NP2 is the motivation night, it means that BKs power is to turn another player ascetic somehow.
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@Greyparrot
I give you credit you cracked the scum theme at least. Idk what the themesplit is then in terms of town and what they have in common.
The chassis shape theory is ruined because hydra has a standard chassis shape
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@Greyparrot
Shatter (I keep thinking tis shredder because it's main weapon is a hammer with a sword built along it)
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@Greyparrot
The bot defender fits ascetic though do you think defender would be a remote ascetic
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@Greyparrot
If it's teams that it's split on, DUCK had a brother of the whiplashaim guy work on it partly for one edition.
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@Greyparrot
HUGE is Joe's
DUCK! Is BK's
Yes allcaps is necessary they seem to be acronyms
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@Greyparrot
Oh I see. I didn't research Hydra much because it wasn't claimed, my bad. I had looked through the others for a connection.
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@Greyparrot
What do you mean is there a team connection you found?
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@Greyparrot
The thing is, if BK got motivated it does explain the double killed meaning 2 NPs in a row despite the fact that naturally this shouldn't have happened.
So BK with Wylted
Ijb with whiteflame
Makes definite sense mechanically if BK and Wylted lied to us and were actually odd night killers.
The reason this works is because Austin answered me that the mafia get an extra kill but it only happens on the night they are not meant to kill.
So BK didn't have motivated kill potential on NP3 just the normal one. Instead, on NP4 when he shouldn't have had a kill, he got one.
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@Greyparrot
ATM I think Wylted and whiteflame were. Even though both could roleblock it's the only explanation other than motivation that explains the kill on the NP ijb naturally would kill as he visited me and not Luna.
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@Greyparrot
I'll reply a bit later need a break for doing some things
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@Greyparrot
Yes was said to be a 1x shot that he had to activate the NP beforehand.
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@Greyparrot
I'm 100% Town because of Wylted's role's passive godfather power. There has to be Cop.
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@Greyparrot
Joebob is ascetic somehow, Wylted really did out this DP2 and I now have some sort of proof. It's a secret reason I avoided him. I didn't even explain it to Austin that I was factoring it in fully and I did explain my copping choices (except the last) to him for the hell of it.
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@Greyparrot
I don't have some elaborate proof beyond strong Town vibes from BK all game. Him buddying me isn't a scumtell for his way of playing or functioning. He buddies those in power in general even on the website they're the few he won't troll.
He is acting nearly exactly how I'd believe he would with his real role and was tracked visiting Wylted that NP.
He is acting nearly exactly how I'd believe he would with his real role and was tracked visiting Wylted that NP.
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