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today the vote will be pie or whiteflame please. Supa is town for me.
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another viable theme that has all the currently claimed as town is this:
Town - cancel-culture-hated conspiracy theories (stuff associated with people who truly are off their rocker and that the right-wing are known for)
Scum - socially acceptable conspiracy theories
It is the 'same idea' but much clearer about offense.
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@Earth
@Greyparrot
@Vader
@That2User
See above.
Also, That2 please answer what I asked; explain the link between your themed theory and your game role.
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If my reads are correct, it is plausibly a Pie Whiteflame team (yes both refused to claim).
Thematically, I would then presume Mharman did it like this:
Town - nutjob conspiracy theories (stuff associated with people who truly are off their rocker and that the right-wing are known for)
Scum - sensible conspiracy theories
This would explain why the scum is hesitating, since the theme split is confusing even to them and even if they figured it out before this post of mine, it's not easy to pick out another batshit conspiracy theory that seems plausibly what Mharman would have picked.
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@Vader
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There is a lot to think about in this vote for me, especially in the latter 2 categories.
I will note one thing:
Those that vote and do not vote themselves will be assumed by me to not want to win.
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@Vader
No correlation of any sorts
You literally cannot avoid correlation in a voting situation, I think you mean collusion. You have made the same error several times now so I am correcting you.
Correlation is a statistical link between certain variables on an X axis against those on the Y axis of the same graph. It is about trends and relationships relating to data variables.
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@Greyparrot
Crazy, I know, that I don't think everyone you want to be scum is scum.
Read behaviour, follow the thought pattern. Supa reads as silly townie to me.
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@Vader
There is no use engaging you any further, Supa.
I already know you will just tunnel from here on out. I refuse to talk to you until you tell your themed conspiracy theory and help us crack the split.
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@Vader
How can you predict this as a role powerful game when you have no idea how the setup is besides the alleged claims
Because my role is only balanced if that is the case, surely. My role is only relevant even if the mafia is disgustingly OP, to make it worth me hitting them.
Would you predict the opposite?
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@Vader
You forget this:
I am 1 of the PRs.
We will have lynched a person by Night phase 1 (Town has a free mislynch surely as I agree it's very likely 5v2).
So by night phase 1, I am looking at 3v2 scenario outside of me or 4v1.
This is why I pushed PRs to out as PR so I can actively avoid a vanilla and make it either 2v2 or something assuming we failed to vote mafia DP1.
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@Vader
Man, mafia is about the lynches at day, not making the entire Town strat revolve around praying and hiding hoping that mafia don't roleblock or kill the correct role in the night phase.
I am done talking to you anyway. You are voting me and based on all your previous games, you never ever process logic or rethink once your mind is made up regardless of being town or scum. I will just talk to others.
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@Vader
I also voted you because your role is SOP and I do not believe that this role is balanced in a 7 person game
It is entirely balanced firstly because it can hurt town as much as hurt mafia, secondly, there is a vanilla claim, making it balanced in that sense of hitting a townie who isn't really hurt by it.
Plus, I am sure mafia is very powerful themselves, I predict this game is balances as many PRs vs mafia with 1 vanilla.
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@Vader
Town gets the advantage, what advantage scum get from you claiming if you're town is next to 0 at this point, 4 people are outed, 3 yet to out, it's Town that wants to the outing to happen to crack the theme.
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@whiteflame
Astray from what, you fucking liar.
You want to throw around bullshit like Supadudz is that I'm distracting?
WHAT AM I DISTRACTING FROM?
what are you gonna do, pick flower petals and focus on the smell of people's pollen?
We are in a themed closed setup, either we focus on role and setup-balance dissection which is stupid to do before deaths occur and help us pivot around the revealed roles or we go for theme analysis.
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@Earth
It is extremely important. Especially as by forcing it today, scum can't conveniently tweak their claims to mask it later not nearly as easily anyway.
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You just wait, I will overtake them both, it will happen before you expect it to.
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This is all cute talk and all but neither of them has fully refined to the general voter here or understood how to take fullest advantage of the format available here.
I use everything now, recently that is. My experience here gives me an edge here that I think will even securely lead to me defeating them under the right circumstances (more so then the other way around, them beating me with the edge). I have a very deep understanding of what the voters here value vs don't now and how the calculate who 'won' a debate. I have aimed to capitalise on it every single debate I make in the past month and a bit.
I have bit by bit experimented so many styles, lazy vs active approaches and all of that.
I know how to debate here at true efficiency, not wasting any effort and getting consistently good results. I only have done that by the errors and experiments gone wrong.
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@whiteflame
So, enlighten us how we will find the theme split if you, Pie and Supa stay hidden.
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@Vader
Do you understand why I think RM is scum. His tunneling of you is distracting from the game and causing town to get disinterested.
I literally have been trying to have town engage with me and explore the theme.
I have no idea why you're blaming me for the rest of you being shit at keeping activity going and getting disinterested, that's hardly my responsibility. Get others interested yourself or stfu. LOL!
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but if one is stalling and one claimed, it can't be that2, that2 fits you (GP) too well to be partnered with someone else thematically.
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@Greyparrot
I can't really save town much anyway, the scum can still kill after being rendered goon and still can carry the scumteam nearly as well in terms of day phase behaviour.
I am not sure why the other 3 are stopping me analysing the theme, however if they are scum it's kind of smart, especially if one claimed and one is stalling.
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@Vader
Once I flip Town and you feel upset and blame me like a baby, I hope that you reread this day phase and sheep my read. At least realise you were wrong to ruin me helping us analyse the theme.
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@ILikePie5
But if I hit town pr at least I can confirm myself
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@ILikePie5
If you were balancing out a game with a vanillaizer that is townsided in it, you'd probably put a vanilla in the game to let them waste their power if they misfire. Idk, I would definitely do that.
So yeah bitcoin betting, sure. However, I am saying the psychology of scum not the mod is that they'd never ever both claim vanilla, at least not until much later on into the day phase realising the opportunity is there and only if they're sure they'll get townread.
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@ILikePie5
WF would be the most suspect, yet you’re sitting here tunneling me
Okay vote whiteflame, I'll vote, I am okay forcing him to out 100% so but if someone hammers it after another votes on him, I will tilt the fuck out.
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@ILikePie5
If everyone is suspect, why do you townread literally everyone except me lmao
I don't townread whiteflame much at all.
I thematically believe entirely that if either That2 or GP is scum, the partner is the other like I am at a level of 100% sure of that because of the antisemite scum theme being viable as well as the non-US conspiracy theory scum theme being viable.
However, if GP is scum, it doesn't mean his partner is That2 as the Islamic world theme is viable with Earth.
So thematically based on the only people other than me who claimed, I think if GP is scum, you are Town no matter what your claim is. Therefore, I will tell you that I think GP is Town at the moment.
Since I firmly believe That2 can only be partnered to GP thematically (I didn't clock that at first) I will tell you that I townread That2 and that it's based off of that that I also kind townread GP even more.
I don't see why Scum would out so fast for this, I can see why Town would.
Earth being 9/11 is kind of whatever, that claim can fit many themes except a right-wing theme.
Behaviour-wise, Earth is towny to me this game for his meta. He tries less as mafia and is so passive and trolly.
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@ILikePie5
You were willing to vote him just the other day as a third alternative to my lynch.
He hasn't acted very towny at all, let's agree and as scum he will literally at times defend his partner that overtly as he defended you here.
This is all stuff I stand by having said.
However, the theme and the way the 'character' claims are going, mean he has to be on my side thematically unless Mharman truly bastard split the theme.
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@Greyparrot
That2 hasn't played scummy at all.
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@ILikePie5
at MYLO if we mislynch today.
It would be LYLO if we mislynch today. It's also patently obvious, clear as day that everyone is a suspect.
Sole vanilla claim is pretty much clear though unless it's an all Pr setup. It's about probability, seeing the balance, predicting things.
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@ILikePie5
We have to out everyone's theme item/character imemdiately ASAP to crack the theme, the longer we let people hide, the longer scum can fake it well but now that is you, whiteflame and supa so I am talking to the person I suspect most, appealing to them to help me crack theme it is pointless to me.
There are many themesplite possible in reality if it's just a random 'these 2 have this in common, the rest don't' thing.
I am extremely sure Supadudz is town with me because he said he is 100% right wing.
In fact right now I will out what I think his theory is: Q anon and/or the election steal (they are intertwined). My theory is a subset of the shit that was come up with during the Q anon theories (which are more about the pedophile ring and whatever).
I know it is scummy that I said what I think he is but surely that has to be in the game and why else would he say he's 100% right wing?
So that makes me wonder what the hell yours is. There arent many right-wing theories left after classic right-wing ones like holocaust denial and Q anon are taken other than weird ones like my Michael Obama one. Are you the theory that Obama wasn't born in US or what?
Tell me, i don't care anymore about what bullshit you are saying.
Tell me your damn theme item and help me crack the theme or you are scum (you can be anyway, I don't care anymore as you are acting so scummyand obstructive).
Scum has information no matter what, it's town that lacks the information. We need the information out there to crack this.
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@ILikePie5
he thinks scum will claim PR and anyone who claims vanilla is likely town
Even if scum claimed vanilla, I am sure only 1 would, helping us in the cc's later. I also was open to be roleblocked, it would be somewhat a wast eto roleblock me over the investigative role (assuming there's only 1) or whatever. I don't know.
I knew my role was terrible to have as Town, I knew it was only good if I used it right and then PRs stayed hidden past GP and That2 who participated in what I wanted, one of which was a vanilla claim, so I outed knowing in the end I'd look so scummy now.
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@ILikePie5
I needed other PRs to out. I also wanted it because it forced Scum to not escape with an easy vanilla claim later if they are planning ahead. I wanted to incentivise both scum to claim PR and be in the pool I aim at, assuming we mislynch it leaves my power highly utilisable.
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@ILikePie5
So RM has known his role can turn people to vanilla. He knew that full well while asking all the PRs to out. When I refused, RM starts tunneling me. What’s the reason behind this.
dude knowing GP is a pr means nothing, I wasn't going to use my power on what easily was a fellow Town PR.
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@ILikePie5
You not helping me crack theme here by refusing to out and get whiteflame to out is only your Town game if you'd been against others outing.
This is a big scumtell from you.
As Town when I try to push for a reveal of some kind and you've been against it, you are at the throat of anyone who goes for it.
Yet, when people outed their theme 'character' in this, you were fine with it, even enjoying the Islam thing I suggested and asking about it, allowing whiteflame and supa to hide theirs and you too.
That's not town-you as I've known him at all, you'd either be totally for it or totally against the revealing and analysis.
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@ILikePie5
I couldn't care less if your behaviour is different, something is very off about it. You have indeed acted different though.
For instance right there you pointed to other people to intimidate me or rally others behind you, that's not your normal style at all. You normally just 1v1 aggressively when under pressure as Town or annoyed even.
You are scumtelling more and more, not less and less, it's not even consistent, it's snowballing. I can see it and I can see a difference, it is many things like the way you say things tone-wise, the self-preservation style as opposed to 1v1 kamikaze style you do as Town.
There's a lot to it.
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@Vader
Even if I Turned a town Pr to vanilla, I may (if not me dead) have a way to confirm myself.
Even better if I vanillaise them and THEY die! That would seem very weird if I was scum vanillaiser (in the eyes of town) being a great coincidence for me.
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@Vader
Yes I would target them. That is a fact. I would avoid the vanilla claims and gamble that scum wouldn't have both claimed vanilla.
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@K_Michael
There is no flat earth believer that thinks what he is saying is relevant to the flat earth model. Find me one.
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@Vader
2) Gameplay. When I have played with RM. He has almost never been so gunho about every PR claiming in this game at all. Why now of all times is he deciding to do it claiming how it worked last time? Not to mention, he has been very defensive as a whole to his style and adamantly talking back to others.
Because of my role. I wanted to solely aim within the PR claims and it was very likely at least 1 of the scum would want to be in the PR pool.
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@K_Michael
Dude, he is an asbolute ignoramus that knows literally 0 of flat earth theory talking about a totally separate model that no flat earth believer thinks the Earth is.
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Earth seems to be casual townie to me.
I am trying hard to crack the theme and Earth has helped us progress towards that and his suspicion of me is towny.
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I do not even scumread Earth I do not understand how people took my possible pairings to mean that.
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@That2User
Earth can easily pair with many based on behaviour, what explanation do you need there?
Pie, as Earth's partner would also happily pseudobus and claim he voted to pressure him, he also rapidly unvoted when he could.
What do you want me to explain
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I know I said That2 and Earth works but I think the theme and claimed roles makes it unviable.
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@Greyparrot
Idk if that2 is female, I have reason to think otherwise.
Anyway, I townread That2. If That2 is scum, you are absolutely their partner, the theme link is too strong.
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@Greyparrot
@That2User
You and That2 both have overtly antisemitic conspiracy theories, whereas 9/11 is jot well known for that aspect.
So because of theme it opens up a you and that2 team.
I do not read you guys as scummy but it is viable.
This is why it is so essential to force more outs to crack the theme.
The longer we leave it, the better Pie, whiteflame and Supa can fake their one but if Super's is not what I think it is, I will ask why he said 100% right wing.
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