RationalMadman

That is your issue, not mine.

I found out chainsaw defense is where you attack the accuser onstead of what I said.

You are more a staller 

That is exactly what he would do.

You are known to chainsaw as mafia. You love to vote the losing bandwagon as the other goes down or vote later enough and seem hesitant so it appears towny.

At the same time, you are known to take great offense at being scumread as Town, so that response from you just now is Town for you.

I do not see a shred of towniness in Pie. I see self preservation in every element of his posting patterns this DP.

Predator mentality.

You are all 3 in my scumpool, yes.

However, I can definitely see a you and WF team as viable.

Join this bandwagon on Pie please, I am that sure now.

Yes.

That sure.

I have never ever seen Pie as Town push on an easy victim just to survive the day. He would be fighting me much more as Town.

Yes, all vanilla claim please.

You are known to me. Major threat, very able to towntell as both alignments and decently capable at late game reads if town.

I would fear you as both alignments, intensely. IDk if I was ever Scum vs you though.

I will insist that you and whiteflame out if PR or not before we vote Earth. I want Earth to say PR or not, not to fullclaim.

I get town vibes from Earth's tiny contribution.

The eagle, falcon etc is part of that conspiracy theory.

Earth spent the effort to research the conspiracy theory, for him that counts as high effort.

it is good he didn't do that this game, I also understand why he outed what he is if he is confused hwo to claim the alignment of that role.

I will not vote GP this day phase no matter what. He is definitely town-leaning for this play. It is scummy to reveal your role, it ruins the plan's medium approach.

my dead body will speak for itself.

Everything in your reaction is about getting me and others to take attention away from you. Nothing in your response is concerned with scumhunting. Just because you ask the question that I said in my plan to ask doesn't matter.

Neither of us is townier than the other or scummier when it comes to the plan's execution of political alignment reveals, since we agree on that part of it.

on day 1

as opposed to having vanillas (If I am correct)

The plan was tell if PR or not.

why would he fullclaim? I asked not to, that is a strange reason to scumread grey parrot.

Yeah this is also why we must pick our sexual partner(s) that we reproduce with very, very carefully (because of custody issues in times like this).

I am very sure many split-opinion parents ended up having the pro-vax one get the child/teen vaccinated with experimental mRNA vaccine against the parent's wish.

To make it worse in most of Europe and a lot of the whatever you call 'more developed' world, there was a policy that made it so that all below 18 had to get the mRNA ones Moderna or Pfizer, with 0 non-mRNA offered due to negligible issues of side effects in sufferers of specific blood conditions etc.

In my opinion the difference between AstraZeneca, J&J vs the others in trustworthiness terms is very severe, JJ would be just as good if it were 2-shot but JJ itself rushed testing to get things out faster but as it's based on oldschool logic of vaccination the only issue is the lack of an extra dose.

Idk how it is in different states or countries but where I reside, to get your booster as a non-pfizer, non-moderna shot is seriously difficult, you literally can't book it and need to drive many miles depending where you live (seriously, many, like an entire city and more away at the very least if you're in a town/village) to get the non-mRNA-providing walk-in clinics.

That's besides the point as anyone below 18 is told flat-out 'no' and those young and above 18 (think 18-22) are not respected the decision they make and constantly talked out of what they decide during the jab if they picked it.

It's all very ridiculous. I am not against science or vaccination, pfizer is a corporation worried about its bottom line, Moderna is hardly better they just rushed things a bit less.

JJ and AZ sold for the entire 2021 (towards the end of 2021 at least) at very low rates, barely profitable in fact designed to earn exactly back the cost of production.

This has gone on for so long that it helped poorer nations that can't even afford Pfizer and Moderna, Venezuela was blackmailed to give up military base locations as collateral, Pfizer would reveal them to the world! Can you even believe it?! The leader flat-out turned down THe deal and exposed what they did to the world. Then other whistleblowers in other poorer nations came out with what they'd been forced to give in the negotiations.

The collateral was if Pfizer ever got bad press fromt heir country or if they found a reason to stop the deal with buying Pfizer in the years to come.

That's a fucking psychopath mentality, why would they make a good vaccine? They couldn't give a shit what's good for us. AZ and JJ are more honest and genuine and that's just the fact.

I don't know why we are not allowed to give the non-mRNA to younger people but at the very least it's wrong to advertise experimental injections to young people that barely get affected by Covid.

If I am being voted, please listen to me other PRs, this setup is designed around limited-abilities. The Town is being nerfed to have limited goes at what they can do with their powers, this means the mafia is extremely powerful, we are looking at 2 double-powered mafioso, no exaggeration.

I am basing this on a combination of things, one of which is my own role. I am a PR, I won't say how abnormal or normal but my role does not make entire sense to have in a setup where mafia themselves has anything close to a goon on their team, they are OP, trust me.

At the bare minimum, Mafia has a roleblocker. I guarantee it.

I am done playing passive, it is time to cut to the chase, let's crack open this and reveal are we PR or not before deciding how to proceed.

it's about the nature of it and the way he altered tone:

aggressive for no reason when challenging me, suddenly likes my idea partly and tries to persuade me...

Doesn't add up.

He is not like that as Town, I have seen it before. As Town, Pie would be furious with me now and arguing.

Your own logic is picking the easiest target you can think of and leaping at it; this is usually your scum meta but you are that weak that you do that as Town at times and that's the brutal truth.

If you genuinely believe that it is a scumtell by me to go for Pie here because you conclude that I literally am OMGUSing, that sounds like you're trying to emotionally scare me away from OMGUSing you as well or at the very least like you're grappling for a reason.

I am not afraid to be the eliminated Townie day 1. I never have been and I never will be, I am ready for it if it comes down to it. I will encourage all to have their own conspiracy theories about you.

I am not negotiating anymore, if you want to vote me off, then do it. Town will suffer for the lost PR but they will have reads from my flip.

I only just realised that I skimread the very early part where you said there are no thirdparty roles and then asked it. Damn.

I don't consider you thinking I'd be a bad president as a personal conflict, that's the only scenario that comes to mind as you thinking I am offended.

Supadudz makes zero sense to me as either alignment. I don't understand how he even thinks and that is the genuine truth. This game is no exception.

He tends to be sporadically aggro and then passive as scum so we will see how his attitude shifts.

Pie, you are just scumread by me on every level of a gut-read. There is something off about you, it feels like only towntelling, not scumreading.

What is our personal conflict?

I don't know what you are even referring to.

This has nothing to do with the presidency and that is a very scummy and weird thing to even say.

Everything you have said screams scum, you are not even scumhunting, you are just trying to towntell.

So far:

Earth is probably Town because he bothered to out reads day 1 and is actively engaging.

Whiteflame is slight Town lean just off of vibes and how he acts when Town replying to what I reply rather than selectively engaging.

GP is either hard town or hard scum playing hard town because what he said about his role and the fact of all conspiracy theories he claimed that one makes me kind of wonder.

Unless this is Western-started conspiracies vs Eastern, GP is pretty much in the clear for now to me but he could be hard scum either armed with a fakeclaim or claiming the real thing.

We are never going to crack anything about the setup or theme if we all reveal jack shit.

How are we to navigate day 1 votes? I already hard scumread Pie but beyond that what is there to go on without reveals and clashes?

Supadudz defending you hard and leaping at me for the stupidest reasons is actually what he does as scum if he isn't doing pure lurker mode. He never tries to towntell as scum ever and doesn't care how hard he's scumtelling.

It is a direct lie that you, Pie, always hard-play day 1 early on. You tend to go much harsher either as DP's end or when information is revealed that makes you hard-read something.

You are scum with supadudz. The game is solved, we can vote it and have a happy time.

describe some more about yourself, the looks, the vibe

'apple crumble' guy is either an idiom I'm unaware of or very literal. 

I am going now for a bit, can't be on much

centrist

sure whether or not there are*

It is also important we make sure there are no vanillas.

I want to make sure the setup is not all-PR, there are reasons behind this, reasons I won't tell here.

Individually yes, as a group for later CCs being set in stone, no.

If you were town you would have done this:

referring to wings. It slipped your mind because you are forcing your behaviour.

Hezbollah and Hamas are right-wing so that counts as right-wing conspiracy theory.

that was never ever part of the plan, you liar.

not instantly like this, ever. You are preparing hard to look townie for later and that is the pure solid gutread I have.

I don't even like this reaction, you tried to convince me here but the pie as town argues and bites, he doesn't try to persuade much.

Stronger*

Pie is compensating hqrd, meaning his partner is supa, earth or grey.

He would be acting less hyper in post amount and tryhard so soon if town, even being angry at me instead of loling about it all.

He is compensating harder than if whiteflame or that2 is his partner. They are known to have atr9nger endgames/mindgames.

That is my read as is. I also liked that whiteflame replied to me each time. He likes to pqrtially ignore me as scum and tactically to reply to what ia convenient. He also likes to build an 'RM is crazy' narrative rather than 'RM is stupid'narrative as scum, as town he goes more for the latter if either.

These are the facts, now sheep and win, or out if PR or not for my plan to fully work.

Useless?

The use of a PR is 35% its actual utility, unless investigative where it is 50%.

The real use of a PR is being a PR, it matters so much for later CCs that mafia were blackmailed to softclaim earlier or failed to etc.

There may not be vanillas in this setup, I need to make sure of it to know how we should proceed! I am the leader or if you wish to lead offer a better path and do not say 'hide everything'.

Drop a softclaim today or I promise you I will push on you later. I will softclaim today too, it will be very subtle.

You have no idea what my role or situation is.

I hardcarried Town last game vs you  your roles carried you. I am truest to my username in a mafia game even more than in debating. There is always a plan, it adapts, it shifts but there is a system and you are ruining it.

You are always so scummy on your day ones so I will not even bother to read you or reply to that scummy post.

I will just have to work around you, as I always do. If I even grill you, it doesn't help anything as you are just against the grilling as a concept.

Based on my theme item alone, the possible theme splits are:

political vs scientific conspiracy theories

left-wing vs right-wing conspiracy theories

ancient vs modern conspiracy theories

there is one more viable theme split that I will keep secret because it will reveal too much about which one I got, helping mafia to fakeclaim. I always insist on either everyone outs or noone does, to the same degree.

That is always my meta, whether town or scum and is to do with how I see the fairness of the game and the best path to victory for town is equally open information for all Townies to work with from each other.

According to me, for this size of game and the way things will play out:

Everyone should out if PR or not and say if they are a left-wing or right-wing theory just to begin with. After that we can get things going and get reads.

a conspiracy is generally left-wing if the theory is right-wing, that's all, I made a semantic error.

Please stick to my strat, we will win.

well a right-wing conspiracy theory since the actual conspirers, if true, would be left-wing aligned overall.

I insist on this strat:

PRs outing as PR this DP but not claiming which PR they are.

I don't have much of a clue at all what the theme-split is for now unless it's left wing vs right wing conspiracies.

I will claim that I am a right-wing conspiracy and leave it at that.

I am a PR.

are there thirdparty roles?

Is this a 5v2 setup?

Oromagi legit voted him into a loss on a debate with less than 2 hours left and it went through!

He tried the same RFD on another debate and the vote mods got it removed in time.

He basically voted that because the debate says 'pick a topic, I will make it work' or 'do my best' etc, that Mall had proven that part true or false depending if Mall was Con or Pro.

Had Oro not done that, it would be even closer right now.

Supadudz sure tried his level best to stop it happening (corrupt vote moderation last minute).