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@3RU7AL
A phaneron is the existence as it is filtered by the perceptive senses and/or by the reasoning of an entity. A phaneron is merely a perception of what exists. No one knows what exists outside of their own perception. To you, what you see and believe to be true, is true; at least to you.
Does the subconscious exist?
What’s this link without context? A way to make cheap shots at me? If only I had the same lack of self-awareness.
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@3RU7AL
PHANERON
What about the subconscious? And could you elaborate on your said view?
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@3RU7AL
there is no clear logical pathway out of SOLIPSISM
I thought about this question the other day.
What is the “self”? Is it just your mind, or is it everything else as well.
I don’t know what’s beyond totality.
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@badger
Try The Ascent.
Very straightforward gameplay that you can turn your brain off to.
Eye-candy graphics.
Though the main story for my taste is lacking in scope and length.
it’s a bit of a looter as well if that’s your sort of thing. Though that’s more optional.
There’s some replayability value.
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@RationalMadman
Well i’ve looked through all your comments and I don’t see one question mark. That’s pretty indicative of your preconceived biases.
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@RationalMadman
first ask yourself why you feel the need to strawman my arguments.
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@whiteflame
How much of this is true?
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@RationalMadman
I’m sorry if you’re butthurt.
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@RationalMadman
That part was for Lemming, the getting help part was for you.If you do not understand that inanimate objects do not have consciousness and that it is unique to animals or at most, super-complex AI of the future, you need psychiatric help and are a danger because you could try to save a brick wall by putting a living creature in front of it, that's the kind of psychotic decision-making that can happen if you go down this severe rabbit hole.I don't want to comment on what disorder(s) may contribute to this but you are in a seriously bad place if you believe what you are alluding to believing.
Consciousness is valuable when speaking colloquial about it, that’s it. Getting into specifics is a different story. That’s how I view it.
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@RationalMadman
Seek professional help then, nothing else to say.
Your argument is seek professional help? Really?
Also hamsters are the primary rodent known to not have a tail they have barely got a stump.
Sometimes humans are born with tails. Not sure of hamsters. Anyway that wasn’t the crux of the conversation.
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@Lemming
It depends how complicated you got with the mechanics.
Could you create artificial pain receptors and for it to perceive them? maybe.
You could ask the same question of simple life.
Could you create artificial pain receptors and for it to perceive them? maybe.
You could ask the same question of simple life.
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@Lemming
Or you could say a living hamster experiences more. We’re just shifting words around.
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@RationalMadman
A toy hamster doesn’t fail to experience anything. Look, obviously you’re not thinking clearly.
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@RationalMadman
Consciousness is in the experience realm, what you are trying to dissect is as indecipherable as Mario trying to crack how he keeps being made to jump.
Could you elaborate? Everything experiences stuff.
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@Lemming
Just being energy, or conveying information isn't enough for it to 'be consciousness.
What is consciousness if it’s immaterial and inexpressive?
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@Lemming
Just being energy, or conveying information isn't enough for it to 'be consciousness.
You’re talking about the immaterial and the inexpressive. What is it?
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@Lemming
Remove the head, what consciousness remains in the body?Reflexes, spasms, material,Not anything 'enough to be called 'consciousness.
Can’t individual pieces of a system be conscious, just to a lower extent? What we’re talking about is the conveying of information.
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@RationalMadman
Alright it’s time to get triggered. Give it to me straight.
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@3RU7AL
40 minutes in it started to get interesting. It touches on anti-realism.
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@Lemming
We are made of material, a wheel is made of material, therefore we are wheels, and wheels are people.The logic doesn't quite work out for me.. . .Shot in the dark here, but suppose there was something that didn't use neurons and electricity to work,It used gears, interlocking shapes, abacus, runs on marbles.Sure one might say it requires energy to move, but it that all consciousness 'is, is energy?I don't hold that view myself,Though I'm not 'particularly happy with consciousness being 'shape either,But shape makes more sense to me, than consciousness is existence.And I don't mean awareness of one's existence,I mean a rock 'exists,It's 'just a rock of course,Not 'conscious, not human.
Would you say someone can be more conscious than someone else? (Think of mental and physiological conditions people can have.) If so, your argument falls apart.
It should be referred to as just energy. It sounds woo-woo enough. That’s how most people treat it when talking serious about it.
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@Intelligence_06
If one is to put within sleep and cannot ever wake up again after that, that would be classified as "death". a "death" that can be reversed and is not permanent is classified as "sleep" in my own perspective.
I added the caveat of consciousness for this exact reason, yet you ignored it.
“What’s the difference between sleep and death when it comes to consciousness?”
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@Nyxified
It's time to play: person who isn't a scientist uses the simplest possible explanation so they can claim to have the answer to a question that has been studied for thousands of years in order to win internet points.
Consciousness, soul, whatever you want to call science.
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@Intelligence_06
I suppose so that the bound is top on the line where biological studies declare a thing organism or “living", as opposed to such as bricks and toilet rolls where () wasn't ever life for any sakes. That is only my contemplation and supposition, in my subjectivity.
You partly addressed my first question without acknowledging my second question. I was asking within the confines of what you believe.
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@Intelligence_06
True.Consciousness is a simulation of an assumed reality, derived from incoming sensory signalling via an energized organic substrate
An assumed reality? how far down the taxonomical tree do you roughly go?
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@Intelligence_06
You open a jizzed soda drink, foam popps out. That is an energetic reaction. Therefore Sprite and Coke are conscious,
Yes, yes they are.
But seriously, such interactions are with in our cranium, only with further complexity.
And yes it is. I assume you’re just talking about chemistry in general.
When does a system become unconscious in your view? What’s the difference between sleep and death when it comes to consciousness?
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@Double_R
Can you guys take part in a more intelligent conversation please. Both of you seem to agree more guns aren’t the solution to crime. Just need to get into specifics like family values and God and maybe some prayers.
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Stimuli; an energetic reaction.
Yes, everything is conscious. Just to various extents by what we value as “aware”.
Spread the good word.
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@3RU7AL
The universe isn’t uniformed when it comes to its expansion. Some parts of the universe are expanding faster than others. There’s been some new research circling around recently that the universe might be gradually slowing down. Though I’m not sure
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@SirAnonymous
That was me thinking while typing. The answer is a yes.
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@SirAnonymous
Subconsciously most likely. The connectivity that make up the thoughts are still there. It’s known in cognitive science that you can have a thought without being aware of it. But that’s seconds before you’re consciously aware from what I understand. I guess it would have to depend how strong the thought/connectivity is. Muscle memory could be an example.
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Our Universe is the home of 70 quintillion planets.Erik Zackrisson, an astrophysicist at Uppsala University in Sweden, crunched the numbers on a computer model that simulated the evolution of the universe since the Big Bang. He found that — given our current understanding of the universe and the laws of physics — there should be 7to the 20th power, planets in the universe. That’s 7 followed by 20 zeroes or 70 quintillion.
That’s just the observable universe. It’s been calculated that the whole universe is hundreds of times the radius of what we can observe. Though it’s probably far larger than that.
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@Conservallectual
What about fictional universes and fictional multiverses - are they part of this definition of the universe?
Yeah.
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@Conservallectual
I would say ‘all totality’ Is probably the most accurate.
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@Intelligence_06
Vandalising glass* It would have been a quick wipe without all the attention. I bet more people were/are entertained than annoyed — understanding the correct facts. I could almost call this cancel culture.
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@n8nrgim
On a basic level maybe we naturally evolved to perceive pain so that we would be motivated to avoid harm.
I don’t know, this is just part of a little theory I have.
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Good messages?What was he trying to achieve, and how did this help with anything?
Thinking about Earth is better than staring at a Mona Lisa painting.
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According to the article, it was the actual painting.
Yeah and WWE is actual fighting.
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Which is more mad, that man, or the spectacle of a fake Mona Lisa? Anyway, he had a good message in contrast.
The real paintings are usually stored in vaults.
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@Bones
Maybe there’s no mixed clothing, seafood, etc in heaven. Bet you didn’t think of that.
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@TheMorningsStar
Greyparrot:
We already know how banning guns has turned out for the past 50 years in major cities. Gun-free zones invite more crime and murderers.I think we could end this discussion once and for all if all the gun owners in the country started posting a list of all the people who live on their block who do not own a registered gun.
And we should rob them at gunpoint to teach them a lesson.
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@3RU7AL
"just be yourself"
That depends on the situation.
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The only way to stop bad guys with guns is good kids with guns
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@Intelligence_06
Yeah I suppose that wouldn’t fix anything apart from the thirst for revenge. But did someone actually say that to you? I should have been more precise about serious examples.
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To the point your dumbfounded.
What are some examples?
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@zedvictor4
what do you think of term limits?
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How about get big money out of politics first.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Within 2022 can you provide any links from this site of atheists telling theists any of this?
And please try to distinguish between ‘that idea is retarded’ versus ‘you are retarded because you’re a theist.’
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@Tradesecret
Thanks Reece, but you are incorrect. That is not what I am asking. There is no reason for a non-smoker to come to a religious forum as a non-smoker. Atheists do come intentionally as atheists.
Ignoring the inherent bias, i was making an analogy. Non-smokers are non-smokers just as atheists are non-theists.
non-smokers may make a case against smoking just as atheists may make a case against theism.
They ask questions - fair enough - they criticize - again fair enough - but when a theist starts to question the atheist - the smoke screen comes up. We don't actually believe anything. Not that you can pin on me as an atheist.Hence your comparison is flawed.
Can we agree atheism and even theism to a lesser degree doesn’t represent a persons whole identity? You’re creating a strawman.
Do you want to ask me any questions?
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