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@Tradesecret
What do non-smokers believe? Nothing. This is essentially what you’re arguing. Most atheists just live their lives just as religious people do.
Don’t let BrotherD.Thomas get to you.
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@imdancin
I have had medical issues lately, breast cancer and have had a lot of time at home during recovery. Thought sharing and debating online would be fun since I have the time. I have not been posting that long and am still confused about how the site works.
Hope your treatment went well. I’d be happy to answer any questions you have about DDO.
Do you see the quotation marks under “Text” with all the symbols up above, when editing/typing? You create a quotation box by clicking it.
And then you can copy and paste what you want to quote.
I think you would be surprised at the low level of knowledge a lot of woman have about their own reproductive system, also fetal development. I worked at my states Right to Life office and when we went out to do educational events, Womans Expos, conventions etc…I was shocked.
I know a lot of women aren’t as informed about their body as they should be. Especially young women when to comes to puberty. No fault of their own of course. Parents are probably too embarrassed to talk about it. So are you for sex education in school? Appropriate lessons for appropriate ages.
Getting pregnant is damage if an abortion happens. Most pro-choicers think their position is pro-life even if they say they are opposed to abortion, but still want it legal. I have talked to hundreds upon hundreds of women like myself who have gotten abortions. Rarely do I meet anyone that is happy they did it. Younger women are more defensive and take the “in your face” attitude. I have only been in two confrontations with a woman one at an abortion clinic, and one at a booth at our state fair.
Yeah it figures. It doesn’t surprise me.
I don’t ignore any arguments. Bring anything up, I will try to give an answer. I will say this. When I am out in the field doing something concerning abortion, I argue from a scientific view…not religious. Why? Because I respect peoples right to believe religiously what they want. If they are Christian, then I can show the scripture side of the issue. Other wise I have a lot of valid medical information to give out. If can send it your way if you would like to read it.
In the bible there’s something called bitter water. Do you know of it?
So she should be able (because she is the mother)….kill her unborn up until the natural gestational age of the unborn? If you tell a woman she has a time limit…then aren’t you taking her rights, her ownership away? So you make a scale as to what unborn deserves life and who doesn’t based on their health. Do you feel that way about kids who are mentally, physically handicapped after they are born?
If the fetus is viable outside womb a lot more grey areas pop up. As the data shows most women don’t want late term abortions.
Kids that get handicapped after they’re born? If they’re not in a prolonged coma a person shouldn’t have a right to end their life. Would you consider being in a coma handicapped?
Heres the thing, correct me if I am wrong. You say that abortions should be rarer…further along. Why? Is abortion wrong on some level? And if it’s wrong, why do you condone it? You said…”It’s up to the mother.” Then why should anyone have a say…? Kill unborn children at any time and for any reason. You tell her no…and you are imposing your morality on her. Right?
That’s my opinion which lines up with how most women feel. I’m not going to force a woman through pregnancy and cut it out of her after she’s been put to sleep. That’s dystopian. What will happen with all the kids in foster homes and mothers that didn’t want them?
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@thett3
From what I’ve read the bill included tighter regulations/inspections. That’s probably why.
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@thett3
It was to allocate 20-30 million in funding to help ease the shortage. Biden used emergency powers (defence production act) anyway.
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Does anyone know why Republicans voted against the baby formula bill? Didn’t Democrats want to compromise?
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@imdancin
I would like women to take responsibility for their own actions and what damage they cause, and quit blaming others for the careless decisions they make. Unless it is rape no one can be blamed for pregnancy other than the woman. She is the one who says yes to sex and all that entails. And unless she is a complete idiot everyone knows birth control methods can fail. The chance is HERS to take. She invites the man/sperm to enter her body. Birth control should be her responsibility because todays society says she owns her body and she has the ultimate decision to do whatever she wants with it.
“I would like women to take responsibility for their own actions and what damage they cause, and quit blaming others for the careless decisions they make.” I doubt you’re a woman.
I don’t think anyone denies it’s a woman’s responsibility if she gets pregnant (rape or faulty contraceptives not included).
This is surface level stuff that an incel or mgtow would say.
You call getting pregnant “damage” as if it’s a vase you break at a store that you have to pay for. Is this corrrect? Doesn’t sound very pro-life. More punishment than anything. I would say having to go through abortion is punishment enough for most women.
As for abortion…I believe as a Christian that we are made in the image of God and that He knew us before we were in the womb.
This will open up a whole other can of worms which I don’t feel like going into.
I believe that science states clearly that a new human life starts when fertilization takes place. At that time it is a unique human being that is not a part of its mother but lives in her womb as she supports and protects it.
Calling a zygote human life (from a “pro-life” stance) doesn’t bring anything to the table other than the wishful ability to ignore all arguments.
I believe every life in the womb deserves personhood and should have rights under our laws that protect them from being murdered.
There are already laws th
In the very rare instance when a mother is dying than every attempt should be taken to save the child by taking it early.Guttmacher Institute a pro-choice think tank says less than 1% of ALL abortions are done because of rape, incest and the health of the mother. 99% of all abortions are done for social reasons.
Nothing about economics?
Why because a woman is raped does her child deserves less because his/her mothers was violated? Do two wrongs make right? If you walked into a nursery full of kids and you were given the task of picking out the one whose mother was raped….do you think you could do it? Tell me why that child would have deserved death?
1. It’s up to the mother.
2. There’s a difference between a “child” that lacks a developed nervous system and one that is born.
Why can't you without any humor...state your position on abortion?
Abortions should become progressively rarer further along in the pregnancy it is. Which is the current situation. Don’t 80 something percent of abortions happen within the first month or two?
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@Greyparrot
Musk invented more things than Nasa with less money and in a faster time frame.
Just to be clear, Musk isn’t Ironman.
I don’t deny his companies have expanded upon already existing technologies and created a few new materials.
But when it comes to distinct technologies, do you have a list?
NASA is an embarrassment of government incompetency.
How so? Do you think NASA would have done better if it went private and got subsidised?
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@ILikePie5
Someone who elaborates that they assume some people are good within an ethnic group.
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@imdancin
So you condone all abortions? Even on full term unborn babies or as you call them zygotes?State your full position.
Yes, I like aborting the unborn for the hell of it. You got me.
So you would like to subjugate all women/girls to carry through pregnancies regardless of circumstances?
State your full position.
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@sadolite
So its your honest and willful belief that a conservative state would employ slavery as one of its tenants? You got some pretty sad fucked up indoctrinated ideas about conservatism.
Indentured servitude is okay in Christianity right?
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@sadolite
Well what’s the contrast you’re looking for?
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@sadolite
Slavery’s profitable too wasn’t/isn’t it?
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@imdancin
A zygote is a human being just as my fingernail is a human being. Clip clip clip.
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@CoolApe
If you mean oligarchs exist in any system, then I would agree.
I mean oligarchs having control over legislation. It’s antithetical to the democratic will of the people. There’s a reason many politicians avoid talking about policy when they would rather talk about culture war bullshit.
If I follow your logic if country A and B are developed nations and A is more socialist and has a better and cheaper healthcare system, then the more capitalist B country should adopt a similar system.
If it’s implemented correctly and trials go well, sure.
However, the power and the extent of oligarchs in countries can be very different. If the healthcare system in a mostly capitalist country has become mostly crony, then a socialist healthcare system could be better than its current healthcare. However, this doesn't mean that a better capitalist healthcare system with fewer monopolistic legal barriers and more legal patient protection could not exist if we spent time changing laws to encourage free enterprise.
When it comes to oligarchical legislative influence America is second only to Russia, Putin being the biggest oligarch.
Which politician best represents what you stand for? Or would you try running yourself?
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@3RU7AL
You didn’t quote me in full. You only responded to the second half.
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@3RU7AL
would you call yourself "pro-oligarchy" or just "oligarchy-tolerant" ?
How did you arrive at those options, or are you just trying to gaslight?
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The film alleges Democratic-aligned individuals, or "mules," were paid to illegally collect and deposit ballots into drop boxes in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin during the 2020 presidential election.
Conservatives, why do you think Fox or OAN aren’t promoting it? Do you think they’ve lost their credibility?
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@zedvictor4
A thought is a thought, relative to an individual."Half baked" is a thought relative to you.
As long as you acknowledge people can and do have half-baked thoughts.
Learn what theory of mind is. For example, If your friend wanted to do something stupid because he was in an emotionally heightened state of mind, you might want to talk him out of it for a multitude of reasons. He’s not thinking straight.
It's a tad arrogant, if we expect everyone to think as we do.
To be honest I unintentionally do sometimes. I think we all do. I don’t think it’s arrogance, it’s more ignorance than anything.
Thoughts are derived from past experiences and will therefore vary relative to conditioning.
A truism.
Tolerance has to evolve..........Tolerance cannot be forced upon people, otherwise outcomes are more likely to be negative.
Is that what you would have told a Jewish person in the holocaust?
To say “tolerance has to evolve” is a meaningless statement. Evolution prioritises what’s convenient, that’s it.
Though I'm reasonably confident that more and more people do think things through.
Alright
I'm a moderate and do not pander to media, I make my own observations and come to my own conclusions.
Like you said, we’re all conditioned in one way or another.
And Jaimaica seeking $10 billion in so called reparations is a race baiting political show. And let's be frank, where would most of that money end up if they got it.
I don’t know, we would have to do further research to find out. It would have to be conditional I would say.
Nope...The perpetuation of the old colonial race game is very good for business.
If the money went into infrastructure and business startups to have a positive lasting impact, I think it would be good. Also i think Jamaica has a large environmental problem with foreign owned mining companies if I’m correct.
And "sociological thing" for sure....That was my point......Don't expect to click your fingers and change humanity in an instant.....How many millions of years has it taken to get to this point?
Modern humans have been around for 300,000 years. Though It would be understandable if someone argued humans as shown by just the last century are the most barbaric creatures on Earth.
Perhaps you indulge in race baiting political shows more than I do.
Probably. You got to understand your opponents arguments.
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@CoolApe
I think it’s good developed countries have systems they can compare themselves to. Though it doesn’t really matter if oligarchs get into power.
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Data processing and analysis relative to acquired conditioning is simply what we do, so not irrational.But for sure we can also modify our responses relative to ongoing data acquisition and processing.
Will you admit your first sentence is irrational then? It assumes people don’t have half-baked thoughts.
That is to say, learn to be more tolerant of others.
Which includes thinking it through some more and asking yourself some challenging questions.
Though as my specific example suggests, discrimination is far from a black and white issue relative to historical European colonialism
I know racism isn’t just based on skin pigmentation although it’s been one of the larger driving forces in the past several hundred years. Identity and discrimination have morphed and changed throughout history.
We've moved on a few hundred years and several generations since then, to a point where the boot of the black and white issue in terms of racism is now very much on the the other foot too....If not more so.
Moved on from a few hundred years of enslavement/colonialism so much so that the shoe is on the other foot even more so? You need to cut back on the right-wing media.
The black and white thing is now politically inspired big business for some, so there would certainly be a lot to lose if everyone shook hands and agreed to move on.
I wouldn’t say big business. I would say race baiting political shows.
Though let's be fair, most moderate people of all skin tones, moved on a long time ago.....Species evolution in progress as it were.
This is more of a sociological thing.
Nonetheless my brief analysis is perhaps more applicable to current U.K. society.......Maybe in the U.S there is a greater possibility of a more insular and therefore polarized demographic relative to geographic scale.
I would agree with that.
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@3RU7AL
the ability to enforce ?
Yes, including for it to be on solid legal ground.
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@zedvictor4
Everyone thinks and everyone discriminates, so if you include "thoughts" within your analysis, then by definition everyone is racist.I would suggest that racism is best defined as a negative outward expression of thoughts, relative to a perceivable difference.
I think there should be a distinction between being actively racist and having moments of racism and acknowledging them as irrational to move past them. Both internally and externally, but mostly internally if we’re genuine.
Old fashioned Joke:And Englishman, a Scotsman and an Irishman are sitting in a bar.None of them is any the wiser until they open their mouths.
Though this is one specific example.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Morality is the foundation of law, so the morality of an action is relevant on what the law should be.
The actual foundation of law is the ability to enact it. There’s a reason law and order go hand in hand.
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@Greyparrot
Who will be fighting the second civil war?
And what will it be about? Will it be about states rights and property again?
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@Barney
I'm curious what are everyone's favorite ways to determine if someone is (or is not) a racist?This keeps coming up in so many discussions; and while I doubt we'll ever have true consensus, I am interested in seeing the variety of answers.
Racism is the will to degrade individuals on the basis of ethnicity, by thoughts, actions and societal implementations.
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@SirAnonymous
What is a breathing expert?
I would say an expert in the respiratory system.
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@TheUnderdog
I found out Stalin was an atheist, that’s why I believe in a god now.There are good and bad religious and atheist people.Stalin was a bad atheist. Hitler was a bad Christain. Bill Gates is a decent atheist. MLK was a decent Christian.Your religion has little correlation on whether or not your a good person.
I was joking. It was in part dark humour about how biblical Stalin’s actions were. It plays on the stereotype of atheists being drawn to evil.
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@3RU7AL
This has gone passed what I was building up to with TheMorningsStar and conservative arguments.
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@Athias
No--not even remotely.
Let’s see about that.
And how is one to calculate these risks?
They don’t need to be quantified to know they exist.
Here, let me try an argument using your rationale: I go outside without a Kevlar vest despite the chances I may randomly be stricken by a stray bullet. So when I play basketball at my local park, should I be met with an unfortunate wound from a stray bullet--possibly fatal--it was in part my fault because I either neglected my Kevlar vest, or went outside in the first place. The culpability of the gun's wielder is by default mitigated in part due to my culpability as described before.
“…by default mitigated…“ is paradoxical. By default the situation has both parties culpable of what occurred in the end.
Statistics aren't psychic readings.
They don’t have to be.
It is incumbent upon any interaction that the parties involved are willful participants, however consent manifests. Manner of dress and venue are irrelevant.
The woman wilfully participated in the risk taking.
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@TheMorningsStar
Praise be to the braindead one, for showing us that the entire existence of women is to have consequence free sex! Shall we extend this logic into viewing women as nothing but sex objects? Of course not, because we must embrace braindeath! Through braindeath we learn that fallacies are amazing and logic is sin! Praise be to the braindead one, may praises forever be sung!
You sound sexually repressed. Why don’t you talk dirty to me?
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@TheUnderdog
If you really believe this and you want the GOP to lose in 2022, wouldn't you support repealing Roe V Wade to help the dems.
About only half the country votes and nothing motivates people more than when they’re against something and it’s an imminent threat personally.
The GOP yet again has created another monster.
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Rape is non-consensual sex, and thus the outcome of such an act cannot create a duty of care (I don't see a logical way of arguing from a non-consenting act to gaining responsibility for another), thus abortion becomes permissible in the case of rape. It would still be tragic, as it is the ending of an innocent life, but without a rational way of justifying the duty of care extending to the mother there is no way of justifying the violation of bodily autonomy. In consenting acts this is justifiable (as bodily autonomy can already be limited based on certain circumstances, neglect laws, and newborns), but not in cases of rape.
A woman dresses scantily, goes out partying, and she gets raped. Isn’t it partially her fault if she gets pregnant? Or would you disagree? She most likely knew the risks. And statistically it’s inevitable. Regardless of the means, she got pregnant knowing the chances.
If the life of the mother is at risk then it becomes trickier. Usually in an accident when a paramedic needs to make a rapid decision to save a child or an adult the child is prioritized, which gives some weight to the idea that if only the mother's life is at risk that the child should still be saved, but I am not firm in that view. I tentatively take the view that abortion is permissible (because I do think that the nature of the unborn child is somewhat different than the born child), though an absolute tragedy, in those situations (though I am open to having my mind changed as it is a tentative position). I do want to note, however, that these types of situations are actually very rare.
I know it’s rare, but it doesn’t mean it isn’t informative. So between fetus and mothers life, you would go fetus?
Lastly, the idea that a fetus with certain development problems is somehow less worthy of life than a healthy one seems, to me, to use the same exact line of reasoning that one would use to argue that children with, for example, Down's Syndrome are lesser.
By saying a fetus isn’t healthy due to development of certain diseases, you’re putting a value on it anyway. It isn’t just about its worthiness of life.
I know this will probably not get a response. I would have liked to have known your stance on healthy pregnancies.
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@TheMorningsStar
Where do you stand exactly when it comes to abortion of healthy and unhealthy pregnancies?
By unhealthy pregnancies I mean from rape to diseases the fetus develops, to risking the mothers life.
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The number of people that think abortion should be illegal is astonishing. There are numerous ways that that abortion is already limited by other factors in the US that are never challenged, but as soon as the discussion becomes one of nuance it is "but muh baby!" without ever making even an attempt at a half-decent argument.
etc..etc..etc.
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@thett3
This is when the rubber hits the road.
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@ILikePie5
Screw bodily autonomy to own the libs.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I found out Stalin was an atheist, that’s why I believe in a god now.
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@TheUnderdog
From what what i remember cos and sin are part of algebra and trigonometry. I assume the history of mathematical geometry and how certain shapes became prominent is pretty interesting. How old is the concept of certain shapes? Trigonometry goes back to Ancient Egypt I think, unsurprisingly.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
@Conservallectual
The distinctions are abstract and have no bearing on any specific subject or assertion.Rationally is a synonym for logically in this context. Philosophically does not translate to something specific. Science is simply rational epistemology applied to hypothetical explanation of phenomenon, especially with the aid of math or experimentation.It all boils down to a good argument... and by good I mean sound/strong.
I second that apart from what you said about science. I would reword it to fit verifiable instead of hypothetical.
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That might make sense to seniors.
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@cristo71
@Greyparrot
“Misinformation” is merely “fake news” rebranded for people who hate Trump.seems like it.
When you have a vocabulary of an 8-year-old ^
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@TheMorningsStar
Can a word be used to mean two different things?
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@TheMorningsStar
Do you go by male or female pronouns?
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@TheMorningsStar
Your non-affirming therapy includes not to label typical behaviours associated with femininity and masculinity? Based.
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@TheMorningsStar
What's to explain, its gender dysphoria.I feel like I was born in the wrong body with a strong desire to be a woman.When I imagine my ideal self it is always female.Etc.
It must be hard to fight against it. Do you find any behaviours slipping through?
I have stated I do non-affirming therapy, why would I crossdress?
I should have said the desire to crossdress. No need to become defensive.
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