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No, but it’s promoted as such, kinda like how Hitler propagandized Jews as separate from whites, catch my drift yet? If not my point is has no bearing on race or sexuality only society puts those stereotypes in the weak minded peoples heads, don’t be a sucker and fall for it.

Maybe it’s about time you know that finding a common denominator between two different subjects doesn’t make those subjects overlap holistically, I can do this all day.

Seriously dude your contradicting yourself all over the place, the two quotes I cited of you are proof of this.

That’s because my quote covers it, your definition is predicated on culture is it not? My quote addresses culture.

Yes, and I already said that word, Whoopi said inhumanity and I said prejudice.

Not explicitly, but you definitely implied the sort with this rhetorical line of questioning:

2. doesn’t it make perfect sense to say antisemitism falls under racism? 

I think my homosexuality example answers that one.

Antisemitism, Xenophobia, and Tribalism. Your trying to categorize all those narratives into one when the only common denominator is prejudice not racism,

and let me make something clear in case you ask me prejudice is a broad branch and racism falls under it so what is racist is always prejudice what is is prejudice isn’t necessarily always racism. Almost like fruits, all apples are fruits but not all fruits are apples, same applies to discrimination they come in many forms just like fruits do.

I also brought up homosexuality, is that related?

Just because you choose to add more unrelated variables into the equation doesn’t make your view anymore holistic then mine.

Well that’s the issue here, hence why your chalking everything up to racism when it’s not, and maybe you should be a little more concerned with truth and technicalities before you deem anyone as illogical when you subscribe to that same line of thinking, just saying. 

Because they’re all inconsistent narratives, historically a lot of people were misinformed/ignorant regarding race (one drop rule is a perfect example of this) Hitler included, if he cared about science at all in that regard he would know that the Jews he killed has European ancestry/DNA similar to his, as for linguistically that’s the least fundamental of all when you take into account the spectrum of varying differences in language of the past and present due to popular bias.

Well historically many of the positions were illogical, my point exactly.

No it doesn’t, they’re different terms for a reason. Race isn’t that broad of a category where you can take two unrelated subjects and chalk them up to race related

, a xenophobic comment is saying I don’t like Americans, well contrary to many beliefs Americans are composed of many different races of people so your not saying anything pertaining to race just culture and lifestyle.

The word I was tripping on was tribalism BTW not xenophobia but that’s not the here nor there, do you know the differences between race, ethnicity

Your ancestors make up your racial background so if the narrative is race then it’s very relevant, the only thing that’s irrelevant is calling white cruelty against white people racist, I mean seriously dude are homophobes racist too if they consider gay people an inferior race? Give me a break.

Because they’re all inconsistent narratives, historically a lot of people were misinformed/ignorant regarding race (one drop rule is a perfect example of this) Hitler included.

No, because Jewish is a religion not a race, that’s like calling Antichrist people racist, the two are non sequiturs.

Even if you wanted to argue from a Jewish bloodline perspective that doesn’t negate the fact that race is still a non sequitur, that more falls under the lines of xenophobia, it’s important to know the differences between race, ethnicity, and nationality.

Calm down lol. Isn’t this entire thread about a third person? If I agree with anyone I would say I agree more with Whoopi because I think race as a concept is more complex than simply culture, and does have a lot to do with appearance and historical geography instead of just culture. But I also couldn’t care less. If you disagree that’s totally fine, and if you called a British person calling an Irish person a slur racism I wouldn’t object. Piece of work though she is, Whoopi shouldn’t have been punished for having a different view that isn’t even that unreasonable 

This is about what Whoopi believes. You are obfuscating. Whether her views are accurate or not, how would it make her racist to say a great atrocity happened to jews, but that it wasn't motivated by racism.

Why do you care so much about this lol 

Of course it has to do with that. A reasonable, well meaning person could also think “racism” refers more specifically to discrimination based on race, and a reasonable, well meaning person might consider ethnic Germans and German Jews to be the same race. Someone else might disagree. Who cares?

What are you doing? This is very simple and you seem to be obfuscating 

I don’t know, haven’t really thought about it that deeply since I don’t care. Since that’s what “race” overwhelmingly refers to in America an American saying they don’t view two groups of white people killing each other as racism doesn’t seem like such a faux pas to me 

Unfortunately no matter how you feel about it words are much more flexible things than objective concepts like math or logic. If the vast vast majority of people think of a certain word in an “ignorant” way eventually that just becomes the definition. It’s a really ridiculous controversy in my opinion

They probably don’t think about it at all, but since it has its own word instead of being called racism they would probably think of it as anti semitism and not racism

It’s not ignorance, she was using an understanding of the word “racism” like it’s used 99.9% of the time in American discourse 

To be fair a lot of those perspectives contradict each other, nonetheless the only one that’s relevant is the truth and truth be told a common denominator between Hitler and the Jews he killed is there both white so calling the holocaust racist from Whoopi’s perspective is incorrect perhaps she should’ve offered a more specific term rather than the vague one she used since getting the narrative right is the goal, maybe she would’ve gotten less heat if she called it for EXACTLY what it is, antisemitism.

But “race” isn’t a real concept so there can’t be an objectively “false” way to apply it to something like the Holocaust.

Because it’s not a firmly grounded concept like physics or math peoples experiences and cultures are going to change how they view it.

A black person whose family has been on the wrong end of the American history of race (ie, broad inclusive definition of white to contrast with black) is likely to view “race” from that angle, even though the Germans were actually looking at it from a difference angle. So yes, it looking like two different groups of white people to her is a reasonable thing to say. It’s not like she said it was okay for that reason. 

You haven’t explained why it matters. Why should she be expected to have a nuanced understanding of German and Jewish relations in the 1920s-1940s, and be expected to seamlessly apply American discourse to those events without occasionally saying something that comes off as clunky or awkward? Why should any American?

It was a general comment. But if you’re operating in a marketplace of ideas I don’t see the need for you to bring up my race 

Wow, this got racist pretty fast. First by your generalization of whites and secondly by labeling black experience "falsehoods" . If you are going to be racist, please leave my thread. What race are you, where you feel comfortable being racist to whites and blacks within the same sentence

I understand why a modern day black person would think of it as a problem between two groups of white people is a reasonable belief even if the Nazis themselves thought the Jews were a different “race.” 

Does it really matter?  Its the same impulse as what drives contemporary racism and ethnic conflict, which was her entire point. She’s not white, she’s not German, and she didn’t grow up in the 1930s. I understand why a modern day black person would think of it as a problem between two groups of white people is a reasonable belief even if the Nazis themselves thought the Jews were a different “race.” 

Interesting look into Americas civic religion. I guess Americans no longer understand that something other than “racism” can be bad. If you think the holocaust (an event in a different country almost 100 years ago) was evil but not “racist” CANCELLED! 

So I prefer to define the inappropriate epithet "racism"...... As acquired intolerance based upon perceivable differences.

Has anyone talked about the 10 hottest years on record having been within the last 12 years?

Not that records have been kept for so long......(Globally, about 140 years).

What was it like during the Triassic period for example?

Though in the end, a fucking great asteroid turned out to be more of a problem.

Correct. We would need evidence for a God. What I'm also saying is that the problem of evil wouldn't be a good argument against a Deistic God.

The problem of evil is an argument against the existence of a God. Therefore, it sets out to prove a God does not exist.

Skeptical theism, as a response to the problem of evil, states that we cannot see God's intentions and therefore cannot claim the evil in the world disproves God. At the very most, we may be agnostic towards the idea that God has good justifications for allowing evil.

What are they expressing? If they are expressing gender (a non biological thing in the mind), why do they need surgery? What happened to gender not having anything to do with biology? What's with the alteration of the body then?

It is - it's a plethora of factors. 

They are not equal peers, they are beings/things which have objective qualities - they are things which cannot be confused. 

But gender is merely a thing of the mind right? Here is my problem. If a person claims that their gender (a societal construct which advocates are keen to distinct from sex which is said to be physical) is wrong, why do they do to change their bodies? If they change their bodies, that means they change their biology which is sex, not gender. 

A turtle 'is a turtle,

And a human dressed up as a turtle is 'not a turtle.

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Well I guess that's where we principally differ. I wouldn't call my peers sir just because they wanted to. 

But gender is a social construct manifested by the mind, why do I need a physical costume? 

Some people eat turtles,

We don't eat humans dressed up as turtles.

If it is free, how is it selling? How would I be working out if I burn 0 calories?

Ok what if I identify as an apricot and relate with the pronouns daddy and sir, are you going to respect my gender and call me those things from now on? 

That’s not a definition