Reece101

You are losing me because you seem to be asking me about something which is evidently obvious. Allow me to show you how I view your question and you can tell me if I'm mistaking your intent.

Let's substitute "wife" for God. I know you'll say my wife is physically here, but hold on, that is irrelavant to my argument.

How do you distinguish between God conceptually and God which you claim isn’t conceptual?

Well first. I know which things in my mind are MY concepts. I made them up. I remember making them up. They did not exist until I made them up. They don't change unless I change them. They never surprise me, or deviate from my conception of them.

Now God preceded me. He doesn't follow what I think He should be. He surprised me, I constantly have to adjust my conception of Him to keep it accurate.

Likewise, I have a concept of my wife in my mind. But she sometimes surprises me by being different from my conception of her. I know the concept of her in my mind is NOT her, no matter how accurate to reality it may be.

So asking me how I can tell the difference between my concept of my wife and my actual wife is, well, weird. Only a person with a tenuous grasp on reality would have any problem distinguishing.

Because you're a strict materialist atheist, you probably God has no interaction with me that I can perceive. This is not true.

Did I misunderstand you?

Okay well let's talk about this then the concept of God must be older than 2000 years if there were people worshiping gods in the bronze Age which was 3,700 years ago. Jesus is 2,000 years old other religions including the god of Abraham are older than that. If you can't figure out what people are saying or you don't understand the concepts involved in religion in general don't freaking come here and argue about them. The concept of God is much older than 2,000 years old and if you don't actually believe that then you are an idiot because there is actually archeology that supports the fact gods were worship longer than 2,000 years ago whether the gods exist or not they were worshiped so the concept existed.

The concept of God is sourced in the mind of a man. All concepts are. God isn't.

It went from nothing to nothing, you think what I said is complicated? Man are you going to have a tough life.

I never said life was easy, I said it isn't complicated. Ya'll seem to think because something is hard to do makes it complicated. Its hard to dig a grave but it aint complicated. Its hard to get up every morning and go to work but it aint complicated. Its hard to deal with assholes but it aint complicated. 

Yes it takes one second to stop using drugs, the fact it is hard and  that you suffer is irrelevant, it isnt complicated.

They aren't joined and need no separation.

You sure post like you do.

I didn't care  if you believe its true or not what you need to do to be accurate. If you're just going to make stuff up then you're not even addressing the material. You're just saying what you're saying to be antagonistic without being accurate makes you look stupid. It's like talking about the stay puft marshmallow man's role in the Harry Potter books yeah it's all fiction but you look dumb as hell saying it.

Nowhere in Christian beliefs does it say God came into existence 2,000 years ago. It says Christ was born 2000 years ago. If you can't understand the difference between the two concepts you shouldn't be here discussing them with people. It has nothing to do with Christian's beliefs it has to do with being accurate to the myths involved in the Christian religion.

And honestly theists before atheists. Don't pretend you don't lump theists in one big freaking pile of illiterate, mentally ill, mentally incompetent human beings. 

Someone who says “life isn’t complicated, it only takes one day to change it.” is obviously ignorant due to lack of nuance. 

Seems to me that it is the concept of God that people hold that he views as relative. Why you would assume he meant that God is relative is quizzical.

(Sorry TS. I know you were trying to point out some other truth to him.)

How about this?  try and prove that the concept of God has existed for more than five minutes. 

Another trick question. Gee people are busy today aren't getting cleverer and cleverer. 

Take out the "no matter what" bit and I would answer I am in the God is good camp. 

You would need to define what good is before adding the rest.   

A measure of good would be helpful as well.  

According to humanity without God, God can be good and bad. 

According to humanity with God, God is among other things the measure of good. 

I take the view that God not only defines what good is - but is the very essence and measure of goodness. Hence God is good. 

Yet on that basis good is anything in accord with God's honor and worship.  It is good to love one another. Yet it is also good to hate evil. 

It is good to punish evil and to punish sin - even by death.  

On the other hand, if good is defined by humanity with the measure being "whatever the current culture by majority rule thinks is good", then God is not always good.   If the current culture holds the view that abortion is good then God is not good. If the current culture deems polytheism and polygamy is good, then God is not good. 

The definition of good, obviously from a human perspective is subjective and fluid.  It might remain conservative for lengths of time, for instance - pedophilia is unlikely to be considered a good for some time, although I suspect that as the culture becomes more fluid  and as it takes on board more and more the Kinsey Report, then even this so called evil will become good.  Like other things, it only takes time and enough people to say - let's let us be what we want and things will like they have in the past with Aristotle go back to it. The same with slavery. Slavery changes its meaning every so often.

life isn’t complicated, it only takes one day to change it.

Here is all you have to do to live in todays world. Get at least an 8th grade education, then get a job, find a place to live, go to the grocery store to get food, do your laundry, pay your bills, buy cloths with what you have left over. That is all you need to live. Everything else is a luxury.

Oooh a trick question.

Didn't I already answer that question? 

Hmm - you will find it is CIRCULAR REASONING.  also known as an axiom. 

I agree.

But this is a discussion website.

And your comment had obvious implications.

So even if you weren't implying that they should.....Why did you suggest that someone perhaps didn't "challenge yourself at all".

My question was only relative to the necessity of challenge.....Which was a statement undeniably made as a considered proposal on your part..

Why should Sadolite challenge himself, if he is content with what he has?

And I'm not sure that your driving analogy is at all equivalent.

Could you please elaborate?

Why challenge oneself.

If challenging oneself, challenges contentment

But anyway my point still stands, life isn't complicated. I know, been alive for almost 60 years and nothing about those 60 years was even remotely complicated to understand or deal with. 

Great Question.  Nowhere in any type of observation do we see evolution jump from one kind to another. Yes, we see evolution leap in abounds between ordinary species.  But over kinds? It just does not happen.  To jump from lion to giraffe would be helpful.  To see it jump from mosquito to  Chicken would be helpful. Gee to see it even happen between ape or chimpanzee and human - the so called closest relationship to humanity would be nice. But it does n't.  

Magic. Absolutely it is magic.  jumping between species - to evolve to what we are today.  Yes that is magic. 

I am not sure what university you went to- - but the Big Bang theory is more than just history.  It is the very start of our universe.   Nothing was there - and then nothing exploded. For no apparent reason. that is magic.  How else could we possibly describe it?

Isn't the theory of evolution just magic?

Or the big bang for that matter? First there was nothing - and then nothing exploded for no particular reason.  

Nonetheless...What is the difference between predictably unpredictable and predictably predictable.

So I would further suggest that if someone is predictably unpredictable, then they are also predictably predictable.

In so much as their unpredictability is predictable.

The bible tells us that man was created in the image and likeness of God (Genesis 1:26-27), yet something must have happened to man's reflecting image, perhaps in the fall, because when we get to the NT there's an obvious emphasis about 'putting on the new man' and 'becoming a new creation' (Ephesians 4:24; Colossians 3:10), and that Jesus himself is the exact image of God (2nd Corinthians 4:4; Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 1:3). Considering we aren't all children of God (John 1:12-13), hence needing to be born from above (John 3:3), our image in its current state must be askewed in some capacity.

Something to also keep in mind is that man is spirit, soul and body (1st Thessalonians 5:23) and it is the Holy Spirit that is the promise in the Church Age (Acts 1:8), and not the Holy Soul or the Holy Body. Those two parts of man are apparently still alive, but living in the dark (Matthew 7:13; Matthew 10:28).

What does being in the image and likeness of God mean to you and how much should we consider ourselves to still be in his image?

Interesting.  Do you consider yourself better at remembering sequences of numbers than the average joe because of this necessity?

My oldest friend has something similar but he never let it stop him- was an editor at Fox News then a lawyer for the FBI-  gets other people to do his reading for him now.

I myself have been rather hard of hearing since I was three or four. Good enough to hear the television but totally useless in any kind of bar or restaurant.  I needed years of speech therapy.

Is there any scenario where Demand-side economics does not suffer from the broken window fallacy?

Out of curiosity,

Are you an Antinatalist?

Something even 'more than that?

Or do I misread, your post?

Nope it's 100% atheist and proud of it. Like I always say you all want us dead and gone. He just has the balls to say it. Must be that because you're so close to monotheism you carry that same mindset.