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@fauxlaw
You have no idea. Telomeres show there’s a natural age limit. Cancer isn’t just caused by external factors, it’s also caused by our internal clock.
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@fauxlaw
Hmmm okay, okay... *thinking face* ... Maybe God taught Noah rocket science and the ark is actually a spaceship! Back then they lived for hundreds of years right?
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@fauxlaw
I was steelmanning the argument for you, which was an impossible task in and of itself.
Are you saying your sceptical and your just spitballing ideas of what you think is more plausible? How about it didn’t happen?
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@fauxlaw
Yet if The Bible wasn’t involved you would be asking for proof.
Be honest.
Do you understand how bad faith you sound?
I shouldn’t be surprised. You suggested Noah genetically sequenced and cloned hundreds of thousands of species.
(Which there would be genetic proof of).
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@Timid8967
What you call madness, they call a Sunday.
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@ronjs
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@fauxlaw
Or maybe the story of Noah’s Flood was adapted from the Epic of Atra-Hasis or Gilgamesh.
There are many stories in The Bible that have striking similarities to far older tales.
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@Benjamin
You define "I" as "oneself as opposed to another". This is circular reasoning. "I" and myself is the same thing, you can't define one based on the other in this case.
Majority of definitions are defined by synonyms. Are you saying you totally dismiss how I define “I”? If so, can you give me a better definition? I doubt you can get anymore axiomatic than I.
Furthermore, calling "I" only a concept is an understatement. By definition, our concepts don't exist unless we exist. Therefore, "I" made concepts, and is not a product of them. If "I" don't exist independently of concepts then concepts can't exist.
Why is it dichotomous? “I” can range from you as an individual human, to encompassing the universe, depending on how you observe reality.
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@Benjamin
The physical "I"
- Is this "I" merely a product of atoms moving around?
- Do all atoms moving around create some form of "I", or does this only occur in our brains?
- How does this happen? New physical dimensions, quantum mechanics, maybe something else?
“I” is a relative term/concept to distinguish oneself from another. It emerges from self-identity.
How’s that?
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@Mandrakel
None of them are apologetics.
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@Mandrakel
I’m waiting...
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@Mandrakel
"It", being what?People expressing views contradictory to yours?
People expressing tired old views.
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@Mandrakel
It gets boring.
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@Lemming
Trump has never looked good. All that’s going for him is his money and narcism.
I’m sure someone could pull off that level of orange who isn’t unfit and elderly.
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@fauxlaw
Humans have the unique capacity of control of our behavior by a significant degree of conscious thought of actions and consequences, and our agency to use conscious thought and action than do other creatures driven more by instinct and lack of agency. That other animals may have a degree of agency [such as the fact that a lion that is fully sated is not compelled to kill a lamb], does not imply that their agency is at a level that is man's.
If it just comes down to degree and personal opinion, your point becomes redundant.
Modern day humans are significantly more conscious than Bronze Age and Iron Age peasants, for the most part.
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@fauxlaw
What difference do humans have when it comes to ethics compared to other social creatures?
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@Stronn
If by race you mean skin tone and not culture(s), then yeah, you’re a racist.
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@n8nrgmi
What about solutions?
I think reverse psychology would work best. Perhaps saying there isn’t enough vaccines for white people.
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@Dr.Franklin
why?
Why what?
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@FLRW
If I remember correctly he ended up being a factory or warehouse worker.
His parents were ruthless when it came to teaching him stuff at a young age.
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@Dr.Franklin
Look, I’m all for killing bad people, but as a world superpower, the president shouldn’t treat America's arsenal as a personal toy box.
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I’m pretty sure someone talked him out of using nuclear weapons. He was then floated the idea of MOAB, probably.
This is the same Trump which suggested using nukes for hurricanes or what have you.
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@secularmerlin
I’m saying absent, not opposite.
You aren’t replying to fauxlaw, you’re replying to me.
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@secularmerlin
@fauxlaw
Fauxlaw:
Life and death do; life and death of any organism
Secularmerlin:
I disagree. Death is not the opposite of life it is a part of it.
I’m in the middle if you guys thought that impossible.
I say it’s the absence of lives.
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@DynamicSquid
I could literally recreate every single picture in milliseconds. I don't care about the fake "emotion" they put into it, or the amount of "skill" it takes to splash paint like a 2 year old.Real art takes skill, and possibly weeks of painting.Change my mind.
Do you mean modern art or contemporary art?
I don’t care if the art is not an original, as long at it looks good.
The work put into design isn’t exclusive to the canvas.
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@zedvictor4
There’s a ton of really cool innovative art forms.
What you’re referring to is the fringe of the fringe that gets picked up in right-wing media.
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@janesix
Ok I guess, but AWE doesn't have anything to do with this conversation. I guess you are trying to say the feeling of awe is some sort of spiritual experience, but I say it is not a necessary factor. Almost anything can create a n awe experience for a person.
Depends how ignorant/knowledgeable they are. Also both religious and spiritual (spirituality is ambiguous these days) experiences can constitute as anything.
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@janesix
If you don’t feel awe, you’re not at the peak.
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@janesix
Spirituality falls under it.
What do you mean by “Religious Experience after reading scripture or other religious material“ then?
A 30 second prayer?
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@janesix
Awe is in its own league. It’s the peak of what someone feels when they’ve pushed past a threshold of how they normally perceive the world.
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@secularmerlin
For an evil that is necessary, you’ll need to get real abstract.
Evil is a subjective/intersubjective description. It’s a weighted word of what we consider immoral.
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@janesix
@zedvictor4
A religious experience is an experience with the presence of God. A spiritual experience is different, it doesn't have to involve God.
I wouldn’t even say spiritual experience. I would say awe. It comes down to what we associate it with i.e. spirituality, nature, God, etc.
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@n8nrgmi
Throughout history there is little humanity has admitted too big, because god(s).
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@n8nrgmi
Is there any studies he referenced that backed his claims? No there is not.
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@n8nrgmi
Can you please critically think.
There are plenty of anecdotal stories out there.
The guy is a transpersonal psychologist (a spiritualist)
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@n8nrgmi
The article you cited was authored by a guy pushing his website and book. He didn’t do any scientific research. The study he referenced totally contradicted him.
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@n8nrgmi
I’m just making a point. I haven’t actually had a NDE or psychedelic induced one. But there’s plenty of stories out there which go into detail.
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@n8nrgmi
I can tell you my own if you want.
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@n8nrgmi
The article pretty much starts off with...
”Also, we found significant relationships between the NDE scores and DMT-induced ego-dissolution and mystical-type experiences, as well as a significant association between NDE scores and baseline trait ‘absorption’ and delusional ideation measured at baseline. Furthermore, we found a significant overlap in nearly all of the NDE phenomenological features when comparing DMT-induced NDEs with a matched group of ‘actual’ NDE experiencers. These results reveal a striking similarity between these states that warrants further investigation.”
Would you care to read?
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@n8nrgmi
He also states ‘As I describe in my new book, spiritual science...’
This guy’s a fraud.
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@n8nrgmi
his argument was sound, though. he pointed out that there are similarities with NDE and drugs, but there are even bigger dissimiliarities.again, drugs dont cause elaborate afterlife stories like NDEs do.
Can you link me a study he referred to?
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@n8nrgmi
As I suggest in Spiritual Science, there is a powerful argument in favor of the idea that consciousness is fundamental to the universe rather than just produced by the human brain. As a result, there are some circumstances in which consciousness can continue independently of the brain.
--The last sentence of that article you linked. It’s an opinion piece. The author didn’t do studies.
Steve Taylor (the author) is a transpersonal psychologist, which mixes spirituality and science.
Science doesn’t work from conclusions.
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@secularmerlin
These experiences, whatever they are, necessarily must be anecdotal.
Not to mention all perception is based in chemical processes which we share in common.
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@n8nrgmi
You would be surprised. Out-of-body experiences, meeting God, etc.
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@n8nrgmi
the evidence for God is very plain. theists pray, and impossible things become possible for them. the silence is defeanening for why that stuff doesn't happen to atheists. people have near death experiences, and atheists fall back to claiming the idiotic idea that it's common for people to hallucinate afterlife stories when they die. profound and elaborate afterlife stories. right. makes a lotta sense. i guess afterlife stories are part of our DNA? not to mention all the out of body experience evidence. i dont know. you can't make sense out of the senseless, idiotic claims of atheists
Many hallucinatory drugs have the same affect, but you would probably claim it’s the devil.
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@FLRW
You can’t test God, God’s morally objective, God works in mysterious ways, etc, etc, etc.
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@n8nrgmi
Your questioning is very weird.
“Miracle” has multiple definitions, both atheists and theists can use the word interchangeably.
I would assume theists almost exclusively invoke god(s) when using it though.
If atheists are seriously invoking god(s), their not atheists.
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Cultures have been cancelling each other for hundreds of millions of years.
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And experts tell you how to spend money.....And they expect a lot in return..... And never have to foot the bill themselves.
In this case we’re talking about engineers, etc that are warning of critical infrastructure failure.
And 60 years ago when I was a kid, there was no central heating, Ice on the insides of the windows in the morning and an outside privvy.....And we survived just fine.
Yeah and someone born 60 years before that would have told you something similar about how hard it was to ride dinosaurs or something.
These days it seems like the molly-coddled even need someone to wipe their backsides for them.
And soon someone will need to wipe yours.
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