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@zedvictor4
Boomer...No post boomer, a 60's inbetweener, and British.And Sr Seuss isn't big news over hear...In fact, not news at all.
It sounds like your on some sort of pacifier though.
And investors in a competitive market, whether that be public or private, will weigh cost against benefit.And the risk from extreme weather events in Texas, was probably not regarded as significant enough to warrant the cost of future weather proofing power supplies.
A lot of people are morons especially conservative politicians when it comes to not understanding that maybe experts are smarter at any given topic.
One could also rightly argue, that peoples indifference and unpreparedness for extreme weather events, raises a different social question.....The reliance on a Nanny State and the inability to think for oneself....After all what effort does it take to have suitable clothing and a few extra food supplies in for the Winter.
Oh yeah, it doesn’t matter if we economically cripple the economy and put people in more danger as long as the individual is prepared for the worse with a starvation wage.
I would certainly survive quite well if the power was down for a few days...And probably quite enjoy the experience.I could certainly manage without the TV and internet and mobile signal.
Oh that’s nice, belittling the critical failure of elected officials which oversaw half a month collapse in their energy grid, which left millions in the dark.
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@zedvictor4
And Texas was without power because of the extreme weather....Funny how you didn't mention that.
Which Texas’s state government failed to weatherproof after they got a report in 2011 which warned them of potential failure.
What do you think I meant when I said they cut corners?
And the Dr Suess, Pepe le Pew reference, just didn't work for me.....It's an age thing I suppose.
Well it’s been in right-wing news cycles like Fox quite a bit. So you aren’t a boomer?
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@zedvictor4
Europeans. LOL.
This rhetoric is the consequence of racing to the bottom.
If you’re just going to quote one sentence and reply to it out of context, then I might do the same for you.
And this is just another typical forum, where the conversation soon ended and the contentions began.
I don’t know, a conversation is pretty broadly defined.
And Janesix is correct...Societies are naturally hierarchical.
Thanks for the truism. It’s matter of organisation and what we prioritise.
And Janesix is also correct when she says that despite hardship people tend not to go without unnecessary necessities.
Tell that to Texans that went without power because their local government didn’t give two shits about cutting corners in their energy sector.
And we are a selectively moral species, and will happily discuss the needy with reverence.But how many of us will sleep uneasily tonight worrying about the poor person next door working for a minimum wage
Maybe you should get to know your neighbour better, because there’s a lot of neighbours out there.
If you care about Dr. Seuss books and Pepé Le Pew more than your neighbour, you’re mentally ill.
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@RationalMadman
I Let's say you got a very skilled fighter or more, about to either severely damage you or force you to give in to demands unless you obey.You either need to be (or have present and sided with you) a skilled fighter that can defeat him/her/them or have someone rich, powerful, charismatic and/or smart enough to ensure the fighter is no longer rendered both capable and willing of taking you down.This analogy applies to so many situations. Power can be, has been and always will be just as defensive as it is offensive
Let’s say you run a very famous gym which has a very proud culture. Loyal costumers love to take selfies of how strong and popular they are at this gym. Business is running smoothly, until competition arrives. You find this unacceptable; you take it as a personal insult. You say to yourself ‘they don’t know how hard I’ve worked to get here.’ Business starts the plummet, you panic. Until one day you come up with a brilliant idea to add an alcohol bar to your gym.
Do you understand what racing to the bottom is? What do you think made the U.S. strong in the first place?
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@RationalMadman
Plutocrats were the only game in town. There wasn’t a powerful political figure that wasn’t very wealthy.
That doesn't disprove me.
It doesn’t. But don’t try to apply it to todays standards of what we would consider a healthy democracy.
I would say it's safe to say that people who are good at sustaining power are typically good at managing money but the inverse isn't always true
There’s managing money, and then there’s hoarding an excessive amount.
Money is a means to an end but because money can be used passively to recycle it in a way that power can't (because not only are we all mortal but people who use power to maintain and gain more power in itself, end up resented by the other powerful people over time and betrayed in the end).
For the rich money is the means to more money. This is the problem with money in politics.
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@RationalMadman
I've heard that before but real life proves this completely wrong. The reason that cliche is able to be falsely believed is that the bad guys make the headlines while the good guys are just another philanthropist millionaire who are assumed to be using their money for good just so they can tell others they are (so others become numb to it).If it wasn't for rich and/or powerful people using their power and money for good, we'd still be in ancient egyptian and persian style Tyranny. There's a reason that monarchy isn't the worldwide norm anymore (and it's thanks to powerful people, not random people with pitchforks having angry revolts). Even the pinnacle of 'rebellion forcing democracy' which is France, required turncoats among the powerful.
plutocrats were the only game in town. There wasn’t a powerful political figure that wasn’t very wealthy.
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@janesix
Wait I think I just realised you don’t understand what economic inflation is.
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@janesix
The middle class started to get depleted in the 1960-70’s. And you were saying “poor” as if it’s normal.
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@janesix
Not sure I believe that, or what that has to do with this conversation.
You’re not sure you believe billionaires don’t spend their money?
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@janesix
Anarcho? what is that? If it's an anarchist, I believe that there should be laws. Anarchy doesn't work with large populations
I said anarcho capitalist. And I referred to surfdom which were the peasants under feudalism. Do some research.
That’s what capitalism will turn into when corporations are able to hire private militaries and eventually create their own.
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@janesix
Billionaires don’t spend their money. They horde it on the backs of their workers.
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@janesix
Let’s just bring back serfdom then you anarcho capitalist.
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@janesix
Motherhood and fatherhood is an individual responsibility. You are NOT a victim of societal injustice if you can't afford kids.
You’re such a bad faith actor. I bet you would turn your position around if it turned into a discussion about taxes.
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@janesix
They help people cope. Well cellphones are kind of a necessity now. Also there’s a thing called planned obsolescence as well.
Sorry for the edits.
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@janesix
Which aren’t worth the amount people work. Addiction is a coping mechanism. It makes people complaisant ecanomically.
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@Intelligence_06
In the U.S. yes. And/or the creation of very strong unions.
The stock market isn’t an accurate indicator of a healthy economy, it’s the middle class.
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@Trent0405
Practically undebatable, or undebatable?
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@Trent0405
Certain things are, by definition, true, thus making them practically undebatable. For instance, the statement, "A bachelor is not married," is true by definition, making any counter-argument futile.
"A bachelor is not married," Is not a definition in and of itself.
“Bachelor” and “married” have multiple definitions which can be combined to create an ambiguous statement.
It is possible you can mean a bachelor (a person with said degree) is not married to his profession.
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@oromagi
Acknowledging past, present, and future concedes the change of time.
Time is a subjective measurement which can be extrapolated.
relativity requires an observer and observed- at least two positions in space.More than one position in space disproves singularity
Space is not a perfect vacuum.
Variety disproves singularity.Variable experience proves things change. If nothing ever changed, experience would not vary.
Variable experience proves ignorance.
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@oromagi
- singularities are not static
- we see that black holes grow or shrink depending on the angular momentum of material sucked
If you were able to see all past, present and future simultaneously, it would be static.
- If you and I were the same component of singularity, we would be of one mind.
- If we were of one mind, we'd agree that things change
We don’t need to be of one mind to acknowledge things change relatively.
Even if our experiences vary.
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@Theweakeredge
Also not including the night, cloudy weather, pollution, fog, and dusk and dawn.
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@oromagi
The universe is singular including time. Past, present, and future exist equally.
This is just an example. Not an active argument. You can then respond with relativity.
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@ronjs
Now days the left tend to place emphasis/veneration on ideas, not people nor said depictions.
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@zedvictor4
@Benjamin
I hate to be the common sense guy but photons aren’t the only way we measure time.
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@fauxlaw
Life doesn’t have a singular beginning. It’s contextual.
Does life begin when someone revives from medical death?
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@Benjamin
P1: Every event has a causeP2: An endless chain of causes is impossibleC: There exists a first cause
I don’t know man, quantum mechanics is pretty weird.
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@ebuc
It’s interesting you only replied to that question. Normally you aren’t withdrawn.
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@fauxlaw
I mean that the measure of passage becomes not a time-based measure, but a measure of relative accomplishment. "When" is not a factor. "Done" is the factor
“Done” is a descriptive word in which time is inherent. Where is “done” other than within time?
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@ebuc
Metaphysical-1 time is not motion. It is the finite units of measurement ex seconds, minutes, hours, days
You can hardly call this metaphysical. I didn’t say it’s motion. It’s a consequence of motion.
Observed { experienced } Time is motion, that, inherently is associated with sine-wave /\/\/\/ frequency patterns.
Can you explain what a sine-wave is please? I wouldn’t consider time motion in and of itself.
EMRadiation { bosonic photons } has two such sine-wave pattern ats 90 degrees { + } to each other.
What do you mean?
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@fauxlaw
How about actually reaching a time when time no longer needs to be measured. When we measure according to our accomplishment and not the duration of the effort to reach it because it's no longer a competition. "I can name that tune in three notes..." No. More simple; "I can name that tune, and I don't need a note as a hint."
What do you mean? Can you please explain?
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@3RU7AL
@fauxlaw
Fauclaw:
Of course it does. First, I have to align with the side on which time does not exist but by human imposition. Apologists for time will introduce such terms as "relativity," but that is, after all, just an attempt to justify the concept in the first place
3RU7AL:
Time is a logical necessity.An AXIOM of AXIOMS
How about time is measurement of variation in motion.
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@3RU7AL
Yeah, so we agree?Honestly I don't understand the popular outrage against "flat-earthers".They're much less dangerous than most religious people.The opinion "the earth is flat" is generally harmless.
I’m allergic to ignorance regardless of ideology.
My adult sister not believing in dinosaurs comes to mind.
And I know for sure she lacks critical thinking skills.
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@3RU7AL
You really only NEED to account for the curvature of the earth (IFF) you're a ballistics technician or a satellite engineer.MOST people never need to account for this incidental curvature or the earth.For example, when drafting blueprints or city planning, you're dealing with what is effectively and practically a flat surface
Most people weren’t city planners. I’ll go as far as to say most people didn’t use maps.
Anyway, many ancient civilisations took into account the rotation of the Earth when planning their monuments.
Incidental curvature not so much.
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@Intelligence_06
The fact that there is the mariana trench and mount everest would mean the world's surface is uneven, meaning it is not smooth, meaning it is not flat.BOOM mic drop
The Earth isn’t smooth just as a ball bearing isn’t smooth relative to size.
I can tell you what is smooth though... your brain!
Mic. Drop.
Jokes jokes.
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@3RU7AL
Functionally, the earth is (for most people) indistinguishable from flat.That's why maps (of the earth) are generally drawn on flat pieces of paper.
Or maybe it’s just easier to carry around. Most people have believed in a spherical Earth for a millennium.
There’s been centuries of work put into creating the perfect map layout.
The Mercator Projection (the first type of map that pops into your head) still has its flaws.
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Doesn’t apologetics get tiring?
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@sadolite
It’s not intentional, it’s just economically convenient to cut corners for morons who don’t have the mental capacity to care about the future.
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@The_Meliorist
This is completely irrelevant to the discussion, it's either you have a good counter argument to the Chinese room and Mary's room, or you do not.
I thought you already conceded Mary’s Room. What problem did you have with what I said?
For the Chinese Room you’re saying one of the rules are the man can’t learn/describe what the characters mean?
You do realise modern A.I. can do that, right? Again, you’re making arbitrary rules.
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I’m curious what my abrahamic friends think.
As an atheist I come from the standpoint that God is omniscient (all-knowing), omnipotent (all-powerful), and omnipresent (all-present).
All Christians I’ve talked to affirm this, until I start pushing them on it. They then say he limits himself from foresight of freewill. Which is kinda weird if he’s eternal.
But anyway, would a human clone created by freewill have a soul?
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@The_Meliorist
These are two separate thought experiments, therefore they abide by different rules.
Arbitrary rules.
This is simply not an argument.
It wasn’t meant to be.
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@RationalMadman
Or they might just step on us without realising and/or caring.
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@The_Meliorist
The man doesn't know what the symbols mean, just what symbols to write when some symbols come in through the door.
You gave Mary the ability to describe and learn the process of seeing colour.
Can’t you give the man the ability to describe and learn what the symbols mean?
if we cannot give AI the ability to experience subjective qualia, then we cannot have truly strong AI
It would be interesting to see what would happen when you create cultures with artificial neural networks.
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@zedvictor4
How many billions of years did it take for Organic Intelligence to develop?
You’re kinda pushing it with the billions. Hundreds of millions is better.
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@The_Meliorist
- The Chinese Room. Imagine an English speaking human-being who knows noChinese is put in a room and asked to simulate theexecution of a computer program operating on Chinesecharacters which he/she does not understand. Imagine the program the person is executing is an AIprogram which is receiving natural language stories andquestions in Chinese and responds appropriately withwritten Chinese sentences.
The claim is that even if reasonable natural languageresponses are being generated that are indistinguishablefrom ones a native Chinese speaker would generate, there is no “understanding” since only meaningless symbols arebeing manipulated. the human seems to understand Chinese, however, they do not, and the same is true of AI.
Firstly, Chinese isn’t a language. Secondly, what do you mean there is no understanding since only meaningless symbols are being manipulated? Obviously there’s something going on if the responses are indistinguishable from a native speaker.
- Mary's Room. imagine Mary is an expert on color, and she can describe the process of the human eye seeing color. however, Mary works in a completely black and white room, and she has never seen color. one day, a red apple appears on her computer screen, Mary has seen color for the first time. the question is: does she learn something new when she sees the red apple? is the answer is yes, she does, then there is more to color then what we can program into a computer, and color is a qualia (or subjective experience) in which humans have, that cannot be put into a computer. more examples of qualia are joy, or anger, because we cannot describe these experiences to someone who has not felt them, therefore, we cannot program them into a computer, and we cannot have true strong AI.
Light waves appear differently depending on what medium(s) they travel through. For humans it’s our eyes and brain.
The question then becomes, is your red the same as my red?
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@3RU7AL
Feel free to present your own personally preferred definition of NIHILISM at your leisure.
I just want to know why you’re set on redefining the word.
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@secularmerlin
You have defined nihilism not 3ru7al. You did so when you defined all atheists as nihilists. Atheism is not defacto nihilism unless NIHILISM=SUBJECTIVE AXIOLOGY.
In what context did I define them as dualistic?
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