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God did not fail. It is the Jews that failed God. And because of their broken covenant with God they will be separated from their penis at death.
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Jesus would have been appalled that a whole new religion had sprung up in his name and overseen by false Pastors and Priest as it was in his own day.
Jesus was appalled the Jews he was sent to save rejected him and even asked that he be crucified. But because God had made a covenant with the Jews that their circumcised penis would be save. A broken covenant would mean separating the Jewish penis from the rest of the body at death. That is why unlike Muslims Jews are not promised any virgins in paradise. They have no use for them.
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@ebuc
2a } Outer Gravity { contractive }( ) > Observed-[physical reality-Time { OT } < )( Inner Dark Energy { expansive }planar birds-eye-view,....................(>(<(<o>)>)<)..............planar birds-eye-view or as (>(<(<( )>)>)<)This is the Cosmic primary stage to grok our non-creator God/Universe More specifics to come.( )( ) = geodesic lines of relationship { LoR } that define the toroidal Quantum Space Tube><>< = lesser geodesic LoR, that connect outer and inner nodal events to our OT, inside-the-tube, resulting in a sine-wave associated OT existence ^v^v^v^v* i * = bilateral consciousness with access to Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego ................(>(<(<( * i * )>)>)<)............More to come....................................(>(<(<( * i * )>)>)<)..................including cosmic structural and systemic integrity..................................................6 planar, occupied space circles...............................................
All driven by the Trinity.
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Whites are nationalist, white supremacist and the ideology is very Christian.
Name a white country of significance that did not promote a sense of Nationalist White Supremacy.European countries that sought to colonize the world.1. Rome (Roman Empire)2. France. (French colonization)3. Britain. (British Empire)4. Spain and Portugal. (Colonization )5. Hitlers Germany. (Aryan race dominance)6. American exceptionalism (American superpower)7. Australian penal colony8. Russia Stalin9. World war 1 & 2. World dominance.10. White Christian crusades.Whites are genetically nationalistic and white supremacists obsessed.
Whites are nationalist, white supremacist and the ideology is very Christian, but the trend is changing.
Depending on who you believe, religion, particularly Christianity, is sweeping the world. Evidence of this exists in the fact that in Africa, approximately 50 million people became Christians in 2018, making Africa the continent in which the largest number of Christians, 631 million of them, reside.
Meanwhile, the story is completely different in the US. Here, we are witnessing a steady decline in religion, especially Christianity, and a steady rise in secularism. Is Christianity, one of the oldest religions in the world, an idea whose time has come and gone in the West?
Startling US Statistics
While Christianity has been the stronghold religion of the West during the past 400 years, its growth today is centered in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. Since 1991, the number of white Protestants in the US has declined by over one-third. And today, although 20% of Americans are age 18–34, only 10% of them are members of white Protestant congregations. Fewer than 50% of US Protestant churches boast a congregation of 100 members or more. Many have closed, and more closures seem inevitable.
The growth in US Christianity, whether Catholic, Protestant, mainline, or evangelical, has been in the Hispanic community. In the past 50 years, a full 71% of new Catholics have been Hispanic. For the Assemblies of God, white membership has declined somewhat while nonwhite membership has increased by 43% during the past decade. Multiracial congregations likewise are growing, today claiming one in five churchgoing Americans.
Meanwhile, the story is completely different in the US. Here, we are witnessing a steady decline in religion, especially Christianity, and a steady rise in secularism. Is Christianity, one of the oldest religions in the world, an idea whose time has come and gone in the West?
Startling US Statistics
While Christianity has been the stronghold religion of the West during the past 400 years, its growth today is centered in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. Since 1991, the number of white Protestants in the US has declined by over one-third. And today, although 20% of Americans are age 18–34, only 10% of them are members of white Protestant congregations. Fewer than 50% of US Protestant churches boast a congregation of 100 members or more. Many have closed, and more closures seem inevitable.
The growth in US Christianity, whether Catholic, Protestant, mainline, or evangelical, has been in the Hispanic community. In the past 50 years, a full 71% of new Catholics have been Hispanic. For the Assemblies of God, white membership has declined somewhat while nonwhite membership has increased by 43% during the past decade. Multiracial congregations likewise are growing, today claiming one in five churchgoing Americans.
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Is Christianity failing?
Depending on who you believe, religion, particularly Christianity, is sweeping the world. Evidence of this exists in the fact that in Africa, approximately 50 million people became Christians in 2018, making Africa the continent in which the largest number of Christians, 631 million of them, reside.
Meanwhile, the story is completely different in the US. Here, we are witnessing a steady decline in religion, especially Christianity, and a steady rise in secularism. Is Christianity, one of the oldest religions in the world, an idea whose time has come and gone in the West?
While Christianity has been the stronghold religion of the West during the past 400 years, its growth today is centered in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. Since 1991, the number of white Protestants in the US has declined by over one-third. And today, although 20% of Americans are age 18–34, only 10% of them are members of white Protestant congregations. Fewer than 50% of US Protestant churches boast a congregation of 100 members or more. Many have closed, and more closures seem inevitable.
The growth in US Christianity, whether Catholic, Protestant, mainline, or evangelical, has been in the Hispanic community. In the past 50 years, a full 71% of new Catholics have been Hispanic. For the Assemblies of God, white membership has declined somewhat while nonwhite membership has increased by 43% during the past decade. Multiracial congregations likewise are growing, today claiming one in five churchgoing Americans.
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@Tradesecret
Of course, it is one of the hallmarks of Christianity. It has absolutely to do with Jesus.I said one of the hallmarks of the genuine Christian church is the Trinity. Trinity, is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Without Jesus there would be no Trinity. Without Jesus there would be no Christianity either. So Jesus is the hallmark of Christianity.
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What does Jesus say about Jews in the Bible?
What does Jesus say about the Jews in the New Testament?
In several places, John's gospel also associates "the Jews" with darkness and with the devil. In John 8:37-39; 44–47, Jesus says, speaking to a group of Pharisees: I know that you are descendants of Abraham; yet you seek to kill me, because my word finds no place in you.
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The reason the Jews reject Jesus.
1. Judaism affirms that Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies by ushering in an era of universal peace (Isaiah 2:4), building the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26–28), and gathering all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5–6).
2. Judaism deems the worship of any person a form of idolatry, rejecting the claims that Jesus was divine, an intermediary to God, or part of a Trinity.
3. Jews believe the Messiah will be a direct (blood) descendant of King David through Solomon on his father's side and will be born naturally to a husband and wife (Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23–24).
4. The whole Christology of the Church - the whole complex of doctrines about the Son of God who died on the Cross to save humanity from sin and death - is incompatible with Judaism, and indeed in discontinuity with the Hebraism that preceded it."
5. "Aside from its belief in Jesus as the Messiah, Christianity has altered many of the most fundamental concepts of Judaism." (Kaplan, Aryeh)
6. "...the doctrine of Christ was and is alien to Jewish religious thought."
7. "For two thousand years, Jews rejected the claim that Jesus fulfilled the messianic prophecies of the Hebrew Bible, as well as the dogmatic claims about him made by the church fathers - that he was born of a virgin, the son of God, part of a divine Trinity, and was resurrected after his death. ... For two thousand years, a central wish of Christianity was to be the object of desire by Jews, whose conversion would demonstrate their acceptance that Jesus has fulfilled their biblical prophecies."
But they believe through circumcision they have established a covenant with God. So did Jesus who was also circumcised.
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That is not just an opinion. That advice by Harikrish to be likeable could have stopped so much suffering is not found in the Bible. That is why the bible didn't work for the Jews.Jesus never taught Christians to be likeable either.Instead Jesus taught his followers (Christians) to1. Matthew 10:35 For I have come to turn 'A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. - Bible Hub2. To hate ones life.John 12:25 KJV: He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Bring Harikrish back so we can all be likeable again.
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@zedvictor4
For sure, that's how society works.But I'm not sure that we were discussing motoring related rules.
The endless punishment of the Jews by God.
609 BC (Judah falls to Egypt) + 2556 (solar years) = 1948 AD
604/5 BC (first exiles taken to Babylon) + 2520 + 1 (no 0 BC) = 1917 AD Balfour Declaration
606 BC + 2484 = 1878 AD Petra Tivka, first modern settlement of Jews in Palestine
602 BC (visions of Daniel Prophecy, second deportation of Jews) + 2484 = 1882 AD First Aliyah
587 BC (destruction of temple) + 2484 = 1897 AD Zionist Movement Established
587 BC (destruction of temple) + 2520 = 1933 AD Holocaust begins
572 BC (Ezekiel’s Visions of Third Temple) + 2520 = 1948
537 BC (Jewish Return and Decree to Rebuild) + 2484 (lunar 7 times) + 1 = 1948 AD, Modern Israel Nation Established
518 BC (2nd Temple Reconstruction + 2484 + 1 = 1967 AD Six Day War, Gentile Rule Ends
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@rosends
You keep saying the same things over and over. Your statements are disconnected and illogical. Jews have been protected by God which is why we are still here. And am I only here because of American weapons? Only in the sense that my next door neighbor (not Jewish) is only here because of American weapons. You make no sense.Your programming isn't good.
How many times did God punish Israel in the Bible?
However, in Leviticus 26, God uses the phrase to refer to duration, not intensity of punishment. God says He will punish Israel for a length of seven times. Understanding this, we can easily calculate when God completed His punishment of Israel, when He stopped withholding His fulfillment of the promises.
The persecution of Jews has been a major event in Jewish history prompting shifting waves of refugees and the formation of diaspora communities. As early as 605 BCE, Jews who lived in the Neo-Babylonian Empire were persecuted and deported. Antisemitism was also practiced by the governments of many different empires (Roman Empire) and the adherents of many different religions (Christianity), and it was also widespread in many different regions of the world (Middle East and Islamic).
Jews were commonly used as scapegoats, for tragedies and disasters such as in the Black Death Persecutions, the 1066 Granada massacre, the Massacre of 1391 in Spain, the many Pogroms in the Russian Empire, and the tenets of Nazism prior to and during World War II, which led to The Holocaust and the murder of six million Jews.
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No doubt we will see a return when someone walks along and in is kind enough to pick up his toys and put the back in the pram.
Are you trying to speak in tongues?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
BRING CASH .Now I dont know a great deal about the christian religion, but one thing is for certain.....JESUS FUCKING LOVESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS CASH.So ummm, Yeah . Thats all.' kicks dirt 'And have a wonderful day guys .
Matthew 4:4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
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@Benjamin
Many fundamentalist Christians have opinions that directly contradict what Jesus said:
- Guns for self defence, when Jesus said to turn the other cheek, and told Peter not to raise his sword
- Deporting immigrants, maltreating the poor and homeless, and letting prisoners rot like animals --- when Jesus said to treat these specific groups better
- Dickriding capitalists like Elon Musk and supporting low taxes for the rich, when Jesus said the rich man getting to heaven is very unlikely, and that resources should go to the poor
The wealthy Christians don’t want to end up like Jesus a poor unemployed wanderer. They don’t want to give up their wealth either. Like Trump they believe being wealthy is a success story.
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@Tradesecret
It stands to reason, that people who don't agree with the Trinity, would argue against this teaching. But that doesn't make them right. And currently it does make them wrong. Until the Church decides otherwise, this is one of the hallmarks of a genuine Christian church.
The hallmark of Christianity is Jesus.
John 14:6
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me
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What do you mean by "entry point"?
The Aliens chose the Jews as their entry point because the Jews are the most gullible race?
Entry point means the point of entry of Aliens into human affairs.
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How many god days did it take to create the world and all that is in it?How many god days was Jonah in the belly of a fish?How many god days was Jesus in the tomb?
1. 6 days.
2. 3 days
3. 3 days.
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@ebuc
We begin with a conceptual, 2D planar view of #1, then #4 primary sets of outer, then inner meta{beyond}physical occupied space existence:Then move on to include two conceptual, 2D planar circles as the Observed-physical reality-Time{ OT } that exists between the outer and inner set.1 } ..outer peak positive curvature circle of graviational nodal event...( ).......outer peak of Gravity set of nodal events { planar birds-eye view }4 } .inner peak negative curvature circle of Dark Energy nodal events..( o )..inner peak of Dark Energy { planar view }>equals bisection/cross-section of Space { time }torus..........................( o ).........no Observed-physical reality-Time { OT } exists1a }...top circle of....Observed-physical reality-Time{ OT }......................( ( o ) )...........planar birds-eye-view2a } bottom circle of Observed-physical reality-Time{ OT }....................( (( o )) )....planar birds-eye-viewThis is the primary stage to grok our non-creator God/Universe. More specifics to come.
The Trinity makes more sense.
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Here is what Jesus called the religious leaders of the Jews.
Matthew 23
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"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
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And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
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So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
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Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
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"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
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Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
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And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
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I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
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"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
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@rosends
That's funny. It just confirms what I said. I do enjoy the claim of "replaced" because it ignores that Jews are still here, I replaced.
Where is Judaism today numbering 14 million when Christianity has grown to 2.3 billion and Islam to 1.9 billion?
If the Jews were loyal to their God, why didn’t their God preserve them from their neighbours? Was it because the Jews only observed dietary restrictions and circumcision that left them helpless. Today they rely on American weapons which is why they are still around.
The Arabs own land 400 times the size of Israel. They control 2/3 the world’s oil reserves. There are 1.9 billion Muslims compared to 14 million Jews. God blessed the descendants of Ishmael who was circumcised and punished the Jews throughout their history.
Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.
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Americans don’t want African blacks to dominate in Christianity. Americas history of black slavery would be a contradiction.
Let us see your evidence for that ridiculous claim.
if Africa turns out the largest Christian countries overtaking America. America will be hard pressed to explain why they enslaved blacks and treated them as inferior.
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@rosends
Jesus has everything to do with Judaism becoming a shrinking religion by making Christianity a replacement.
Jesus has nothing to do with Judaism. The invention of Christianity has had an effect on Judaism's continued existence and, to a small degree, on Judaism, itself as a religion. Is there anything you actually DO know bot?
Jesus condemned the Jewish religious leaders and said they had invalidated the word of God with their traditions. Christianism replaced Judaism as Jesus proved the Jewish religion was no longer the path.
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@rosends
so, still not reading, still repeating the same paragraphs and now you added another irrelevance -- " The Jews had a lot to do with Jesus. "My statement was that Jesus has nothing to do with Judaism.
Jesus has everything to do with Judaism becoming a shrinking religion by making Christianity a replacement.
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That might explain why America is staying out of Africa and more involved in Ukraine and Israel. It wants to preserve the Christian population in America and maintain its status as the leading Christian country.
No. It explains no such thing.It proves that the Western Governments and media are ignoring the plight of African Christians that are being slaughtered in their hundreds of thousands by Islamists but are scared shitless to even mention the attempted eradication of Christianity. This goes further than simply "turning a blind eye".
Americans don’t want African blacks to dominate in Christianity. Americas history of black slavery would be a contradiction.
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The word trinity itself is neither Christian nor biblical..
Do all Christian denominations believe in the Trinity.
Although the Trinitarian view became the orthodox doctrine in mainstream Christianity, variations of the nontrinitarian view are still held by a relatively small number of Christian groups and denominations. . Various views exist regarding the relationships between the Father, Son, and Holy
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@Deb-8-a-bull
It almost sounds like this jesus bloke got tricked into believing he was like the real son of a the god thing.Poor guy.I can think of other names " the apostles "The dirty dozen.Tricksters.MS 13.The Jewish Jokers.Jew idiots.The foreskinlesseses.I bet jesus belived he wouldn't die.Well up until that last sentence.My apostles have forsaken me.I mean god. God, 4 bloody sooked him.But he did die.Ill tell ya what......Id have a big bunch of interletual,inter lecture proof.that jesus isn't real iffffffffffff.But Thats only Muther fuck8ng IFFFFFFFF.If God DIDN'T.do the little book book thing that he did for you guys.So Um YeahYa got reallllll fucking lucky.
From your post it is obvious you are struggling to post the truth.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Did i mention i once beat a cat with a stick ?
You just updated your resume…cat beater.
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@rosends
Not true!!!
Judaism shaped Jesus. Jesus was a Jew who followed Judaism. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogues. He preached from Jewish text, from the Bible.
you don't read well, do you. You are explaining that Judaism had a lot to do with Jesus. That may be but who cares?I said that Jesus was nothing to do with Judaism. Stay focused.
Not true! The Jews had a lot to do with Jesus. They wanted him crucified.
Luke 23:21 But they kept shouting, “Crucify him! Crucify him!”
The Jews, God's chosen people, believed that a Messiah would come to save them. The land of Palestine was ruled by the Romans, and many Jews expected the Messiah to be a military figure who would fight the Romans and drive them out. Other Jews were expecting a prophet like Moses. In short like your typical Jew Jesus was not likeable.
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@Mall
Nothing in there says three persons or entities or a spirit is a thing.
It is called the Trinity.
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@n8nrgim
If God punishes sinners, they say God is bad. If God doesn't punish sinners, they say God is bad.I see these impossible standards all over the place when it comes to religion.
All the religions in the world say God is good. It is humans who fall short and God is there to save them. It is not impossible because the majority of the world believe in religion and God.
Christianity 2.365 billion 30.74%
Islam 1.907 billion 24.9%
Secular[a]/Nonreligious[b]/Agnostic/Atheist 1.193 billion 15.58%
Hinduism 1.152 billion 15.1%
Buddhism 506 million 6.6%
Chinese traditional religion[c] 394 million 5.6%
Ethnic religions excluding some in separate categories 300 million 3%
African traditional religions 100 million 1.2%
Esoteric Religions 50 million 0.31%
Sikhism 26 million 0.30%
Mormonism 17 million 0.2%
Spiritism 15 million 0.2%
Judaism 14.7 million 0.2%
Islam 1.907 billion 24.9%
Secular[a]/Nonreligious[b]/Agnostic/Atheist 1.193 billion 15.58%
Hinduism 1.152 billion 15.1%
Buddhism 506 million 6.6%
Chinese traditional religion[c] 394 million 5.6%
Ethnic religions excluding some in separate categories 300 million 3%
African traditional religions 100 million 1.2%
Esoteric Religions 50 million 0.31%
Sikhism 26 million 0.30%
Mormonism 17 million 0.2%
Spiritism 15 million 0.2%
Judaism 14.7 million 0.2%
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@rosends
who cares. Jesus has nothing to do with Judaism.
Not true!!!
Judaism shaped Jesus. Jesus was a Jew who followed Judaism. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogues. He preached from Jewish text, from the Bible.
This explains why Jesus like the Jews before him were never liked and antisemitism prevailed. There was no commandment that told Jews to be likeable. And Jesus himself declared.
Matthew 5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Jesus too was limited by the laws so he could not add a new law to tell the Jews to be likeable.
Deuteronomy 4:2 “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.”
With 3000 years of persecution, expulsion and antisemitism, one would think a commandment to be 'likeable' might have help Jews overcome the burden of 613 commandments that still left them undeserving of proper recognition throughout their history.
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There are already more Christians in Africa than any other continent—that’s not going to change soon.
Don't kid yourself. Muslims are butchering African Christians by the thousands daily (over 60.000 in Nigeria alone) while the Western world ignores it and argues instead whether if a woman can have a pair of bollocks.
That might explain why America is staying out of Africa and more involved in Ukraine and Israel. It wants to preserve the Christian population in America and maintain its status as the leading Christian country.
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@rosends
Would adding that same commandment to be likeable have saved Jesus who was a Jew and stopped at the 613 commandments? Why didn't Jesus add the commandment to be likeable himself?
who cares. Jesus has nothing to do with Judaism.
Judaism shaped Jesus. Jesus was a Jew who followed Judaism. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogues. He preached from Jewish text, from the Bible.
This explains why Jesus like the Jews before him were never liked and antisemitism prevailed. There was no commandment that told Jews to be likeable. And Jesus himself declared.
Matthew 5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Jesus too was limited by the laws so he could not add a new law to tell the Jews to be likeable.
Deuteronomy 4:2 “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.”
With 3000 years of persecution, expulsion and antisemitism, one would think a commandment to be 'likeable' might have help Jews overcome the burden of 613 commandments that still left them undeserving of proper recognition throughout their history.
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Jesus wasn’t against divorce, he was against marriage. At 33 he remain an unmarried jew. Which was very unusual for his time.
He made an excuse for eunuchs who choose to live single for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 19
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
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Africa is set to be the global center of Christianity for the next 50 years
There are already more Christians in Africa than any other continent—that’s not going to change soon
By 2060 six of the countries with the top ten largest Christian populations will be in Africa, up from three in 2015, according to a new Pew Research Center report. The projections are in line with the gradual shift that has increasingly seen Christian populations live outside the historical cultural centers of the religion.
The size of the Christian population in Nigeria alone—already the largest on the continent—is projected to double by 2060. In addition, Tanzania, Uganda and Kenya are projected to join the list of countries with the top ten largest Christian populations, replacing Russia, Germany and China.
In total, the Christian population in the six African countries on the list alone will account for just under a quarter of the projected global Christian population of three billion people.
By 2060 six of the countries with the top ten largest Christian populations will be in Africa, up from three in 2015, according to a new Pew Research Center report. The projections are in line with the gradual shift that has increasingly seen Christian populations live outside the historical cultural centers of the religion.
The size of the Christian population in Nigeria alone—already the largest on the continent—is projected to double by 2060. In addition, Tanzania, Uganda and Kenya are projected to join the list of countries with the top ten largest Christian populations, replacing Russia, Germany and China.
In total, the Christian population in the six African countries on the list alone will account for just under a quarter of the projected global Christian population of three billion people.
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1. What evidence do we have that Jesus was in fact a Historical person?
The four canonical gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, are the main sources for the biography of Jesus' life, the teachings and actions attributed to him.
The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Jesus, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116),
The first non-Christian writer to talk about Jesus was the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (born Yosef ben Matityahu),who lived around AD 47-100. He referred to Christ in his history of Judaism “Jewish Antiquities” from AD 93. In the book, Jesus comes up twice – once in a curious passage about Jesus’s supposed brother Jamesand in another paragraph that has since been questioned in its authenticity.
2. Were the 12 disciples who followed Jesus historical as well?
There is plenty of evidence that the twelve disciples were real people. In fact, no one who knows the evidence can seriously entertain the thought that these men were not real people. We have evidence from both Christian and non-Christian sources that the apostles were real people (I am assuming that by the 12 disciples you mean the 12 apostles). I was watching a video one time by Bart Ehrman, who is an atheist, but also one of the top scholars about things related to the Bible. A fellow atheist who was not well informed tried to tell Ehrman that he did not believe that Paul existed. Ehrman rebuked the man for making atheism look foolish. No serious person could claim that Paul did not exist. It would be like claiming that Cicero did not exist. This is crazy thinking.
We have the evidence from Josephus who tells us about the martyrdom of James, the brother of Jesus, who was the leader of the Jerusalem church. Josephus also relates the execution of the apostle James. We also have the evidence of the early church writers. The first important church historian, Eusebius, wrote in the early fourth century. He tells about all twelve of the apostles, plus Paul, relating where each ministered and how they died. Eusebius quotes his sources, such as second century historian Papias and Irenaeus and other Christian writers. The reliability of Eusebius varies somewhat, but he was a careful scholar and he quoted his sources. Some of the things he tells us about what happened to the twelve may be inaccurate, but what cannot be wrong is that there were twelve apostles. There is no way someone like Eusebius could have gotten the number of apostles wrong. Irenaeus, writing in the second century, tells us that he learned under Polycarp who knew the apostle John personally. Is it possible that Irenaeus got this wrong? I do not think so. If we go back to such books as the Didache and the Letter of Clement to the Romans, both written around the turn of the first century, that there were twelve apostles was assumed. This had been the tradition of the Christian church from the beginning of its existence. Is there any possible motivation for the church to make up the existence of twelve apostles? I cannot think of any.
The Didache, a very early Christian catechism dates from the very late first century. When it was written, some who had known the apostles were still alive, although they would have been quite old. The Didache is also known as “The Lord’s Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles.” The unknown writer of the Didache assumes that there were twelve apostles because it was common knowledge that there were twelve apostles. The people who knew Jesus personally would have known how many apostles there were. It is irrational to believe that there were not twelve apostles of Jesus because every account of Christianity is unanimous on this account, including even Josephus who was not a friend of Christianity.
Did Jesus claim he was God?
Many contemporary New Testament scholars do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth ever actually claimed to be God.
According to C.S.Lewis’s we have three choices.
1. Liar: Jesus knew he wasn’t God, but he said he was;
2. Lunatic: Jesus thought he was God, but he actually wasn’t;
3. Lord: Jesus was who he said he was—God come in the flesh.
Bart Ehrman. This is how he responds to C. S. Lewis’s argument:
Jesus probably never called himself God…. This means that he doesn’t have to be either a liar, a lunatic, or the Lord. He could be a first-century Palestinian Jew who had a message to proclaim other than his own divinity.
There are two occasions on which Jesus is almost stoned to death because of who he claims to be:
The Jews said to him, “…Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died?…Who do you claim to be?”…Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they took up stones to throw at him. (John 8:52, 53, 58-59)
[Jesus said:] “I and the Father are one.” The Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?” The Jews answered him, “We stone you for no good work but for blasphemy; because you, being a man, make yourself God.” (John 10:30-33)
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@rosends
Plagiarising from multiple sources material which isn't relevant. Yup. Sounds like a bot.
If it is the truth what does it matter who said it first.
The Jews were repeatedly punished throughout their history by God and their neighbours.
There are a lot of dos and don'ts in the 613 commandments. But I could not find any commandment that tells Jews to be 'likeable'. With 3000 years of persecution, expulsion and antisemitism, one would think a commandment to be 'likeable' might have help Jews overcome the burden of 613 commandments that still left them undeserving of proper recognition throughout their history.
I don't mean to be disparaging. But would adding one more commandment to be likeable to the existing 613 be so difficult?
Would adding that same commandment to be likeable have saved Jesus who was a Jew and stopped at the 613 commandments? Why didn't Jesus add the commandment to be likeable himself?
jesus was bound to the laws. He declared:
Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.
Christians are no more likeable than Jews because they too stop short of being likeable. In fact they follow even less laws than Jews having dropped circumcision and dietary restrictions.
Original post by Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.
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@Mall
It is wrong if you don't have scripture to back it up.We're either discussing what the scripture teaches or we're coming up with our own thing, no pun intended. We're coming up with what is right which is what the scripture also teaches.
Bible Verses about Spirit of God
Genesis 1:2
The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Romans 8:9-11
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Romans 8:14-16
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
1 Corinthians 2:10-12
But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
Psalm 104:30
You send forth Your Spirit, they are created;
And You renew the face of the earth.
John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
John 14:17
the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Exodus 31:2-6
“See, I have called by name Bezalel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah. And I have filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship, to design artistic works, to work in gold, in silver, in bronze, in cutting jewels for setting, in carving wood, and to work in all manner of workmanship. “And I, indeed I, have appointed with him Aholiab the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan; and I have put wisdom in the hearts of all the gifted artisans, that they may make all that I have commanded you:
More on the spirit ……
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Yeah but.But like.Ya cant say or even think that being cremated don't hurt right ?Although.Its hard to grasp that getting buried after ya dead and sufficating from it.Like over .And over.It makes going to the top of a mountain and like dying out in the open seem a fraction sensible.But back to the OP.Is there everdence that humans are more then flesh robots ?I got a fancy Flesh light shila .A fake fanny if you will.Sooooo I feel that humans are more then flesh robos.In that department anyways.You see, I gotta wet the little fake puppy by myself.That differs then a real female shilll.Real females get ummmm.Well .Ill pm you the details if neededThey self lubricate.Wtf did i just say ? .Ill PM.
Another robotic response.
A fake fanny if you will.
Even your Fanny is fake.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I can't read i can't write.But i can drive a tractor Allright.
Glad you found the profession you are suited for.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
If jesus wasn't real , we wouldn't have hot cross buns.Hot cross buns , is the only true / real bloody actual thing jesus gave to us all.
You are full of appreciation to have your buns crossed.
1. What evidence do we have that Jesus was in fact a Historical person?
The four canonical gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, are the main sources for the biography of Jesus' life, the teachings and actions attributed to him.
The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Jesus, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116),
The first non-Christian writer to talk about Jesus was the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (born Yosef ben Matityahu),who lived around AD 47-100. He referred to Christ in his history of Judaism “Jewish Antiquities” from AD 93. In the book, Jesus comes up twice – once in a curious passage about Jesus’s supposed brother Jamesand in another paragraph that has since been questioned in its authenticity.
2. Were the 12 disciples who followed Jesus historical as well?
There is plenty of evidence that the twelve disciples were real people. In fact, no one who knows the evidence can seriously entertain the thought that these men were not real people. We have evidence from both Christian and non-Christian sources that the apostles were real people (I am assuming that by the 12 disciples you mean the 12 apostles). I was watching a video one time by Bart Ehrman, who is an atheist, but also one of the top scholars about things related to the Bible. A fellow atheist who was not well informed tried to tell Ehrman that he did not believe that Paul existed. Ehrman rebuked the man for making atheism look foolish. No serious person could claim that Paul did not exist. It would be like claiming that Cicero did not exist. This is crazy thinking.
We have the evidence from Josephus who tells us about the martyrdom of James, the brother of Jesus, who was the leader of the Jerusalem church. Josephus also relates the execution of the apostle James. We also have the evidence of the early church writers. The first important church historian, Eusebius, wrote in the early fourth century. He tells about all twelve of the apostles, plus Paul, relating where each ministered and how they died. Eusebius quotes his sources, such as second century historian Papias and Irenaeus and other Christian writers. The reliability of Eusebius varies somewhat, but he was a careful scholar and he quoted his sources. Some of the things he tells us about what happened to the twelve may be inaccurate, but what cannot be wrong is that there were twelve apostles. There is no way someone like Eusebius could have gotten the number of apostles wrong. Irenaeus, writing in the second century, tells us that he learned under Polycarp who knew the apostle John personally. Is it possible that Irenaeus got this wrong? I do not think so. If we go back to such books as the Didache and the Letter of Clement to the Romans, both written around the turn of the first century, that there were twelve apostles was assumed. This had been the tradition of the Christian church from the beginning of its existence. Is there any possible motivation for the church to make up the existence of twelve apostles? I cannot think of any.
The Didache, a very early Christian catechism dates from the very late first century. When it was written, some who had known the apostles were still alive, although they would have been quite old. The Didache is also known as “The Lord’s Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles.” The unknown writer of the Didache assumes that there were twelve apostles because it was common knowledge that there were twelve apostles. The people who knew Jesus personally would have known how many apostles there were. It is irrational to believe that there were not twelve apostles of Jesus because every account of Christianity is unanimous on this account, including even Josephus who was not a friend of Christianity.
Did Jesus claim he was God?
Many contemporary New Testament scholars do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth ever actually claimed to be God.
According to C.S.Lewis’s we have three choices.
1. Liar: Jesus knew he wasn’t God, but he said he was;
2. Lunatic: Jesus thought he was God, but he actually wasn’t;
3. Lord: Jesus was who he said he was—God come in the flesh.
Bart Ehrman. This is how he responds to C. S. Lewis’s argument:
Jesus probably never called himself God…. This means that he doesn’t have to be either a liar, a lunatic, or the Lord. He could be a first-century Palestinian Jew who had a message to proclaim other than his own divinity.
There are two occasions on which Jesus is almost stoned to death because of who he claims to be:
The Jews said to him, “…Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died?…Who do you claim to be?”…Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they took up stones to throw at him. (John 8:52, 53, 58-59)
[Jesus said:] “I and the Father are one.” The Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?” The Jews answered him, “We stone you for no good work but for blasphemy; because you, being a man, make yourself God.” (John 10:30-33)
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Jesus is a true historical figure. Read my post on “The case for the historical Jesus.”
The link, please shila.
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@Best.Korea
I dont mean to start any debate here.I am just curious as to what convinced you that God exists or if you are atheist, that he doesnt exist.I know for atheists, there is problem of evil, and the problem of who created God.While for religious, there is uncaused cause and the need for the creator of laws of the universe.So, other than these, what exactly convinced you that there is God? Or if atheist, what convinced you that there is no God?
Hard to argue with the number of people who believe in God.
Religion Adherents Percentage
Christianity 2.365 billion 30.74%
Islam 1.907 billion 24.9%
Secular[a]/Nonreligious[b]/Agnostic/Atheist 1.193 billion 15.58%
Hinduism 1.152 billion 15.1%
Buddhism 506 million 6.6%
Chinese traditional religion[c] 394 million 5.6%
Ethnic religions excluding some in separate categories 300 million 3%
African traditional religions 100 million[7] 1.2%
Esoteric Religions 50 million 0.31%
Sikhism 26 million 0.30%
Mormonism 17 million 0.2%
Spiritism 15 million 0.2%
Judaism 14.7 million 0.2%
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@RaymondSheen
I would suggest that when modern man evaluates the past, especially religion, their explanation only demonstrates their arrogance and ignorance.
The best rational xplanation comes from Hinduism.
Hindus believe in the doctrines of samsara (the continuous cycle of life, death, and reincarnation) and karma (the universal law of cause and effect).
One of the key thoughts of Hinduism is “atman,” or the belief in soul. This philosophy holds that living creatures have a soul, and they’re all part of the supreme soul. The goal is to achieve “moksha,” or salvation, which ends the cycle of rebirths to become part of the absolute soul.
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@zedvictor4
Karl Marx was a hypocritical bull-shitter.Everything is an illusion.And everything is just infinitely smaller bits.That eventually become not there.But they must be still.Religions are one way of looking at it.And opium is another way of coping with it.
Marxism in sociology is a key conflict theory that believes capitalist society is based on inequalities between the bourgeoisie (ruling capitalist class) and the proletariat (working class). The economy is the base of society, whilst all other institutions form the superstructure. The struggle for a more just social balance continues.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Imagine Being cremated.Thats gotta sooooooo hurt.Allll the holy books have " suggest " a hell of sorts .Anddddd , they say hell is like being cooked from the inside out , MEGA PAINFUL.SOOOOOO, this " suggest " we can and are capable of feeling ummm, heat.Its HOT.Guys .?Its hot in hell right. ?Sooo A total guess i know buttttt.I suspect.Being burnt to fine ash in a furnace.Also may equal.HOT.AndHOT = OUCH.I've actually accidentally burnt myself before right.And fuck me.The pain .Oh the pain.Its so painful thatttt, being dead probably wouldn't " numb " the pain .Not that burial offers much comfort.,Imagihe Being buried .And then sufficating to death from being buried.You can start to see why we go up the mountain and find a place to lay down to die.Although this hinders / and makes ones ummm , first actual READ death somewhat uncomfortable.Ok ok.I don't want to have to ask butttttt.Fuck it.,. I'm a gonna ask.CAN YOU FEEL THINGS AFTER YOU ARE DEAD. ?Its a simple fuck8ng question.Its just a question.You really need feelings .For( pain ) and (an eternity)I mean, they have a feel about em.SO PAIN AFTER DEATH.YES.ORNO.
You react to all your experiences like a robot.
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@rosends
Are you really that ignorant of the Bible and history? You disprove yourself both within messages and between them. You keep reposting the same material. I'm beginning to think that you are a bot, or whatever the stupid version of a bot is.
Biblical and historical facts about the expulsion of Jews.
How many times were the Jews exiled from their land?
For what purpose did G‑d place the Jewish people in exile, not once but four times? “Because of our sins we were exiled from our land,” the verse states.
The declining economic usefulness of the Jews and the related deterioration of their social and religious status led to their expulsion from England in 1290 and from France in 1306. Jews were also expelled from the Holy Roman Empire and, most notoriously, from Spain in 1492.
King Philip expels the Jews. In 1306 King Philip was short of money due to a war with the Flemish and a complex currency revaluation problem. It was against this financial background that King Philip came up with the plan to expel the Jews of France and confiscate and sell off their property
In 1492, and during the years that followed, tens of thousands of Jews fled Spain (estimates range from 40,000 to over 150,000).
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@n8nrgim
"Complete and total BS. The most you've ever presented are anecdotal stories of NDE's which is not science."i presented evidence that out of body experiences are almost always accurate or consistent with reality. there's more than one scientific experiment that shows that this is true. either there are people who can verify what happened outside the dead person's body when they were dead, or the description is at least consistent with reality. the AWARE study had someone describe the operating room with specific details that no one who was being operated on could have known, and they also had auditory ability in a dead person when they were dead. this is a good example of 'accurate or consistent with reality'. then there's lots of stories like pam rynolds and other common stories that the dead person coudln't have known the details. this is more than just one or two anecdotes, this is a trend that is almost always accurate.then there's the blind people coming to grips with seeing for the first time while dead.these things are objectively evidence of the afterlife. it's good evidence. the most i see anyone here do with this stuff, is ignore it. the few times they respond to it, it's irrational ramblings. incoherent.so yes, i maintain that there's ample evidence and other common sense things that point to humans being more than elaborate flesh robots. yet, you irrationally ignore or respond to it... then have the complete lack of awareness to say we can't even know if humans are more than elaborate flesh robots.
Asians from India believe in the afterlife dictated by Karma. Chinese follow ancestor worship and also believe in the after. The west deny the afterlife because the thought of past generations of sinners would be overwhelming.
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Apparently the appearance of design proves the existence of a designer (god)Unfortunately the appearance of design must involve the appearance of non design as a counterpoint or it is meaningless.The claim of a designer of everything is a claim that nothing can appear designed.In that paradigm design can only mean exist and that makes the word design meaningless.
Without design everything would be in chaos. The patterns would be meaningless.
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@RaymondSheen
The first Atheism thread considered God and gods from the perspective of the ideologue. This thread is much simpler, it considers God, gods, theism and atheism from the practical perspective. This one will, I suspect, be much easier and quicker.1. The Bible creator God would no longer be God if everyone stopped worshipping him.2. If everyone stopped worshipping all gods there would be no more gods because that is the only requirement for being God or gods. Worship, i.e. veneration.That's very simple, isn't it? If no one had ever worshipped anything there would never have been any God or gods. This is equally true whether or not God literally exists. So in such a case there would never have been theism or atheism. It's like love. If no one ever loved anyone or anything there would be no love. Everyone would be unloved.Get it?
If you stopped worshipping God, you would go to hell. God will still exist. God’s existence is not dependent on your beliefs.
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