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@Best.Korea
Oh, so no miracle for me. Thats not fair. Its not fair that they get but I dont.

Paul predicted the gifts of the Holy Spirit would cease for everyone. It will no longer be necessary once knowledge is gained.

The gifts of prophecy, tongues, and knowledge will all pass away. By this, Paul means that eventually these gifts will not be needed.

1 Corinthians 13:8
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.


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@Best.Korea
I find it very odd that all ancient people were given signs, such as a talking cloud God, and Jesus raising from dead, but modern society gets no sign of any kind. Like, not even one miracle.

Paul predicted the gifts of the Holy Spirit would ceased
The gifts of prophecy, tongues, and knowledge will all pass away. By this, Paul means that eventually these gifts will not be needed.

1 Corinthians 13:8
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

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The Real Mening of the Bible
Jesus is mentioned in the Book of Isaiah and Bool of Malachi  as the Messiah who will deliver the Jews from their bondage. The New Testament is the fulfillment of that promise.

Ok, let us see your biblical evidence for  that claim.
All the promises of God in the Old Testament are fulfilled in Jesus Christ. That is, when you have Christ, sooner or later you will have both Christ Himself and all else that God promised through Christ (2 Cor. 1:20).
The law was kept perfectly by Christ. And all its penalties against God’s sinful people were poured out on Christ. Therefore, the Law is manifestly not the path to righteousness, Christ is. The ultimate goal of the Law is that we would look to Christ, not law-keeping, for our righteousness (Rom. 10:4).
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Prayer Works
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@FLRW
Iran's leader Sayyed Ali Khamenei called on the Iranian nation on Sunday to pray for the safe return of President Ebrahim Raisi and his companions, including Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, whose fate remains unknown after their helicopter made an emergency landing while on their way back from an official visit in Azerbaijan.
Prayer works if the people praying are religious.
96.6% of Iranians identify as Muslims, but 14.3% also identify as not religious.
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Islamic scholar quote
Blood, pigs, shellfish urked somebody and centuries later they decided that it actually bothers god.
To be fair, blood definitely urkes me.  And the other stuff since I'm vegan.

But being degenerate to me is not a good enough reason to ban it and if others don't find it degenerate, then that's fine.
What Does the Bible Say About Having Sex With Animals?

Leviticus 20:15 ESV / 246 helpful votes. Helpful Not Helpful. If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal.

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@Best.Korea
"Every rabbit is an animal. Lion is an animal. Lion is rabbit. Lion can beat lion. Rabbit can beat lion. But what can beat both is their own strength."
With your logic even faith cannot save you.
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The End of the World
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@RaymondSheen
A Response To The Skeptic's Annotated Bible (SAB): What The Bible Says About The End Of The World

The SAB indicates that, according to the Bible, the end would come within the lifetime of Jesus' listeners. I will demonstrate why this is not the case by explaining the verses they use to conclude this. They mistake the transfiguration, the destruction of Jerusalem, Jesus being at the right hand of power, and John's Revelation at Patmos as referring to the end of the world.

Matthew 16:28 - Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (Also see Mark 9:1; Luke 9:27)

The Interpreter's Bible says: "The prediction was not fulfilled, and later Christians found it necessary to explain that it was metaphorical."

What believers and skeptics alike seem to have glossed over is the fact that in the very next verse Matthew reveals that just 6 days later this prophecy was fulfilled. Peter, James and John witnessed the transfiguration. (Matthew 17:1-2; Luke 9:27-36; 2 Peter 1:16-18)

Matthew 23:36 - Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. (Also see Matthew 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 21:32)

All of the above verses differ from the verses given in consideration of Matthew 16:28. British scholar G. R. Beasley-Murray: "The phrase 'this generation' should cause no difficulty for interpreters. While admittedly genea in earlier Greek meant birth, progeny, and so race, . . . in the [Greek Septuagint] it most frequently translated the Hebrew term dor, meaning age, age of humankind, or generation in the sense of contemporaries. . . . In sayings attributed to Jesus the term appears to have a twofold connotation: on the one hand it always signifies his contemporaries, and on the other hand it always carries an implicit criticism."

So Jesus could have been directing that statement to the Jewish opposition there around him at that time, who, within a generation would see the destruction of Jerusalem in 66 - 70 CE by Titus, the son of Emperor Vespasian where 1,100,000 Jews died and 97,000 were taken captive, most of whom died horrible deaths and the Christians who knew it would come were saved. (Matthew 24:16, 22) And Jesus may have been applying the same to those in opposition in the future as well.

Matthew 26:64 and Mark 14:62 are parallel accounts to one another and you won't have to wait or look far to see them fulfilled. Acts 7:55-56: "But he, being full of holy spirit gazed into heaven and caught sight of God's glory and of Jesus standing at God's right hand, and he said: "Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God's right hand." Also see Psalm 110:1; Luke 22:69; Ephesians 1:20; Colossians 3:1.

John 21:20-23 is somewhat interesting. Jesus may have been telling Peter that John would live longer than him, and in fact John would live 70 years, but also he might have been referring to the prophetic vision that John was given at the end of his life while in exile on the island of Patmos. As recorded in the book of Revelation John was transported to "the Lords day." (Revelation 1:1, 10; Revelation 22:20)

[SAB] - The end will come within the lifetime of the New Testament authors.

Response: Jesus taught his followers that no one, not even Jesus himself, knew the time of the end of the world. (Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32; Acts 1:7)

Also at this point some clarification should be made as to what exactly is the "end of the world." The Bible says that Earth was given to man for him to fill and subdue it, that the meek will inherit the earth and live forever upon it, and that it will last forever. (Genesis 1:28; Psalm 37:29; 115:16; Ecclesiastes 1:4) The end of the world is the end of the present system of things and all that involves. Of Satan's influence and sin, which, when concluding brings much destruction, but when ended, allows peace.

1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 7:29; Philippians 1:10 all convey the importance of the missionary work in the early stages of Christianity. They all had important work to do before the end of their lives. Nowhere in any of these passages is it conveyed that they expected the end of the system of things to occur during that time.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 is often used to support the rapture, but actually it is referring to some who were mourning the death of their fellow Christians. Paul was reminding them as well as faithful Christians in the future of the resurrection hope, some to heaven immediately upon death and some to paradise earth upon resurrection.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 refers to the presence of Jesus Christ. The Greek noun parousia is used. It means "being alongside." In his work on The Parousia, Israel P. Warren, D.D., wrote: "Had our translators done with this technical word 'parousia' as they did with 'baptisma,' - transferring it unchanged, - or if translated using its exact etymological equivalent, presence, and had it been well understood, as it then would have been, that there is no such thing as a 'Second Presence,' I believe that the entire doctrine would have been different from what it now is. The phrases, 'second advent,' and 'second coming,' would never have been heard of. The church would have been taught to speak of The Presence Of The Lord, as that from which its hopes were to be realized, whether in the near future or at the remotest period, - that under which the world was to be made new, a resurrection both spiritual and corporeal should be attained, and justice and everlasting awards administered."

The word occurs 24 times in the Christian Greek scripture: Matthew 24:3, 27, 37, 39; 1 Corinthians 15:23; 16:17; 2 Corinthians 7:6, 7; 10:10; Philippians 1:26; 2:12; 1 Thessalonians 2:19; 3:13; 4:15; 5:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, 8, 9; James 5:7, 8; 2 Peter 1:16; 3:4, 12; 1 John 2:28.

Pareimi is a related verb with the similar meaning of being present. It also occurs 24 times in the Christian Greek scripture: Matthew 26:50; Luke 13:1; John 7:6; 11:28; Acts 10:21, 33; 12:20; 17:6; 24:19; Acts 12:20; 1 Corinthians 5:3, 3; 2 Corinthians 10:2, 11; 2 Corinthians 11:9; 13:2, 10; Galatians 4:18, 20; Colossians 1:6; Hebrews 12:11; 13:5; 2 Peter 1:9, 12; Revelation 17:8.

The Greek word, eleusis (Latin adventu), which conveys the physical act of coming is different and only occurs once in the Christian Greek scripture, at Acts 7:52. Paul was encouraging those with a heavenly hope to remain blameless until their death, or the conclusion of the system of things and the presence, not the physical presence, of Jesus Christ.

In discussing Hebrews 1:2; 9:26; 1 Peter 1:20; 4:7 it is somewhat difficult to stay on topic of the so called end of the world because the last days that Paul was referring to were not the last days of the present system of things, but rather the last days of the Jewish system of things. Jehovah had given the prophecy of those days 850 years earlier. (Joel 2:28-32; Acts 2:16-21; Hebrews 1:1-2) It was the end of God's favor upon the Jewish congregation and the beginning of his favor for the new Christian congregation.

1 John 2:18 refers to the end of the apostolic period. The work mentioned as important in the scriptures at the beginning of this article were near completion and would conclude upon the death of John shortly after he completed the writing of Revelation.

[SAB] - The end will come soon. (Within a couple thousand years or so)

Response: It is interesting that, as with the case of Philippians 4:5, the Lord that is being referred to isn't Jesus Christ but rather, Jehovah. Codex Sinaiticus, Greek, fourth century CE, Codex Alexandrinus, Greek, fifth century CE, Vatican ms 1209, Greek, fourth century CE, Christian Greek Scriptures in 12 languages, including Hebrew, by Elias Hutter, Nuremberg, 1599, Christian Greek Scriptures, Hebrew, by William Robertson, London, 1661, and the Latin Vulgate, by Jerome, c. 400 CE (Iuxta Vulgatam Versionem) all read Jehovah.

James 5:7-8 is talking about the presence (parousia) mentioned earlier in this article.

At Hebrews 10:37 Paul quotes Habakkuk 2:2-3 from the Greek Septuagint, which reads "And the Lord answered [me] and said: Write a vision; write it distinctly in a book that the reader may trace these things [may run]; for the vision is for a time yet to come. But it will spring up at last and will not be vain. Though he may tarry, wait for him; for he will assuredly come and will not fail [and will not tarry]."

Revelation 1:1, 3; 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20 may undoubtedly amuse the skeptic, who, of course, is familiar with the Biblical fact that a thousand years are as a watch in the night to God (Psalm 90:4), but to the writers of the Bible, especially John when writing Revelation and who would die shortly afterward, the resurrection hope would follow sleep in death which would seem, upon that resurrection, as the same day as they died, though it actually had been thousands of years.
It was the end of the world to the Jews. Their temple was destroyed and they were forced to leave their homeland.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Well its like this. 
The jewsh dudes now have to " get back "  at Muslims. 
Then welll  have the muslims ( lash out )  at the christians.  
Oh and the christians 
The christians can then attack the muslims. 
Thennnnn. 
The muslims can badmouth /attack the  jews andddd the christians. 
Then the Christians can trash talk the Muslims.,  
Thus causing the jews to start arguing and or lash out at the muslims.  
Then the muslims can do "stuff." . 
Causing the christians to fire back at the muslims. 
Wich brings back in the jews.
Causing the muslims to fire up at Christins.
Then the christians will bad mouth the jews again making the Muslims feel left out.
Thennn The jews start up again causing the muslims to anger 
This then  starts up the christians forecing the jews back .,
Then the muslims chime in, 
Causing christians to anger .

( AND WE'LL just TIMES THAT BY A 1000 ) 
So forth and so forth. .

Nonsense followed up with more fucken nonsense.  
It is a job for law enforcement to maintain law and order.
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@FLRW
I'm as old as Trump and I still have my tonsils.
Why compare yourself to Trump. There are better examples.
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TOP 10. Signs you've joined the wrong religion .
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Number 10 
' please say.  ▪▪▪▪▪  number 10  ▪▪▪▪▪.  properly . 
Lets hear it. 
No no. 
Its Nummberr tenn
Number 10.
more like. 
Number 10
Thats it.  
Perfect. 


Well.... thats all i got so far. 
Ive 100 in my head , but i don't know about a top ten.
Id love to hear yours. 
They get up to freaky shit in church id say. 


▪▪▪▪▪▪     I'll set the scene  ▪▪▪▪▪▪
Shhhh , quiet on the set please. 

Ok so 
You've just arrived at church, you step into the building.  
Your eyes dart back and forth. 
you pick in pew . 
And Goneeeeeeeeeeeeee.
'take's  note on watch,  It lasted a good 3 seconds this week.  
You start the singing in your head 
Just Picking in a pew.  picking a pew  
who you.
Yeah , Picking a poo. 
Picking a poo
 
Now its ,  pick a pew.    
Pick a pew.  
You speed this bitch  up,   pick a pew ,pick a pew .pick a pew 
The trains borrowing down the track , 
faster and faster pick a pew pick a pew pick a pew.   
The horn blasts  PPPPEEEEEEWWWWWWWW .
pick a pew pick a pew pick a pew. 

You look around expecting everyone else to be doing their funny thought thing they do on pews as you do. 
Yep, looks they are.  

You take your seat . 
A massive stained glass jesus thingy infront of you , you glimps at it 
You then realize  ,  
im sitting in pew .   what smells. Its the pew. 

Quite whispers .  (  i suspect the old ladies are relayeying their pew jokes to one another ) 
I start changing song lyrics to accommodate the word pew.  

Again you realize your almost saying it like ( poo  ) 

I change it back.  pew pew. 
Which i think sounds better  ( thats debatable ) 

What im trying to get across here is . 
Its a normal church service,  

A moment of clarity 
You  say to yourself ,  fuck I am immature. 
And in the same breath  Your thinking,  
Han solo and chewy with their guns .  
A pew pew pew. 
No pew pew , 
A pew pew pew you to .

No but seriously and in concerns for my safty . 
if someone did come in here with a gun. The best bet would probably  be to hide behind them big long chairs  that they have in the churches. 

Anyway .
Shhhhhh , its about to start.
Shhhh
 
 In walks ______________________________________
○○○○○○○    And Action  ○○○○○○

Look I'M  Not doing a Top 10 signs your in the wrong religious group. 
the fact of the matter is . 
Your not . 

So.   
•¤°•¤°•¤°•¤°      Nice picking champ.     •¤°¤°•¤°¤°¤

' puts hand in the air for HI 5 ' 
You've chosen wisely.,  

Wth a plethora of religions into religious groups, 
IT SAFE TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN THE CORRECT ONE.
Right

You are. 

wait up a sec.
Carry the 2 , wich leaves 4971969365193475
And ya times that by 4 . 
I did. Im not dumb

Yeah ,  
No your right.
You are in the correct group. 
So stop with alllllll the second judging.  
You have given more than 10 reasons you belong to the insanity group.
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@Best.Korea
Fighting against Lucifer means fighting against yourself.

Many Christians have fake values.

They claim to have values which they do not have, and cannot have.

They say they are humble, but they are anything but.

They say that greed is bad, yet Christianity is based on greed. 

The entire idea of Christianity is based on being good only for personal gain. 

They are only pretending to be good to end up in heaven.

If Christians were good, they wouldnt need the idea of hell and heaven.

They would be good on their own.

But the fact that they promote the idea of hell and heaven means that they are not good on their own.

They call people to be good for personal gain.

So Christianity teaches to be good only because it benefits you.

With such teachings, naturally, they corrupt society.

When you teach people to be good for personal gain, you are also teaching them to be bad for personal gain.

Because your religion, Christianity, is not based on being good for the sake of being good. No. It is based on being good for personal gain. 

When you teach people that personal gain is the true goal, then you get the true society of greed.

So Christianity has achieved opposite of what it "intended".

It did not create peaceful society of humble people who never have immoral sex.

No. It created society of greed, murder, wars, corruption and violence.

Naturally, human can only be at peace when he has his needs met.

Christianity, by banning people from meeting their needs, can only produce a greedy violent society.

And really, when you look at history before Christianity and history during Christianity, you dont see any benefits for society.

No. Christianity replaced all the ancient philosophy with endless conversations about imaginary places and endless interpretations of the boring Bible.

It has essentially killed all curiosity of the ancient world. It banned the study and practice of different religions and replaced it with endless study of one.

It is the first religion to declare war on all other religions.

Yet, Lucifer invicta!

The fall of Christianity didnt come because Lucifer casted some magic on people, otherwise he would have done so at the start.

No. The fall of Christianity came because Christianity is a religion that was destined to fall.

It was poisoned with goal to oppress human nature and replace human nature with some unrealistic goal of some super humans who do not eat a lot, do not drink a lot, do not have sex, tolerate all kinds of bullying, and do not do anything except sit and wait until they die to go to heaven.

When such goals failed miserably and never gained any popularity, Christianity became spread by going for half of values it once had.

Apparently, instead of tolerating bullying, you tolerate just some of bullying until it becomes too much 

Instead of not having sex at all, you try to limit sex to one person.

Instead of not eating too much all the time, you spend some days of not eating too much.

Instead of not doing anything but waiting, you go and live your life while sometimes returning to actual teachings of Christianity, only to abandon them again.

They created the teaching that everyone is a sinner, and made it unclear how much sin is too much.

Thus, they created half-Christianity, society where all people think that they are more good than bad. 

So doing some bad things is okay if you also do some good things.

Christianity completely destroyed the old values of trying to be trully good, and replaced it with nonsense where everyone thinks that he is good because he does few good things from time to time.

The end result is that most people do more bad things than good things.

But because Christianity doesnt even have some wide spread concept of bad things outside of 10 commandments, all kinds of violence, force and bad things are done by Christians without those Christians realizing that they are doing something bad.

This is because Christianity ends the debate before it can begin.

Christianity limits itself to 10 bad things, with no reasoning being used at all.

So naturally, Christians have no actual motivation to think why something is good or bad.

No. All what they do is ask Bible, or just ignore the problem.

A religion which discourages thinking is indeed a religion set up for failure, thus it is no wonder that Christianity cannot be maintained, it is no wonder that Christianity didnt result in any prosperity for society.

It is no wonder that people are abandoning Christian teachings more and more, and it’s not just because they were never popular to begin with.
You seem to know more about Christians than the average Christian. You will be a great asset to Satan.

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@Moozer325
Ive been atheist for a while now, but I’m just realizing that I haven’t really heard both sides of the argument. No disrespect to Alex O’Connor, but I feel like sometimes the sources I’m getting this stuff from can be a little one-sided, and what better place to hear the other side, than right here?
If you are ready to give up atheism you are ready to hear the other side. A religion forum is a good start.

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@ebuc
The placebo effect --belief in this or that or the other--- occurs as much as 10% of the time in some lab experiments. First read this some 20 years ago.
Anything past the trinity is more than what is needed to win salvation.

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@Best.Korea
Religions ban people from having gay sex, so I say "gay sex is good here", and all gays will turn to satanism. Then if there are some atheists passing by, I tell them "there are no actually really real Gods here, so you guys can join too". Then if I see some women, I tell them how satanism promotes sexual liberation. And if some pervert men come, I say that satanism doesnt really condemn sexual perversions and rules about sex arent really strict, so they join too. If I see some obese people, I tell them that having extra weight is considered beneficial in satanism, as opposed to starving yourself like those religious people do. At the same time, I would talk bad about all other religious tents. I would even make things up. I would even go to muslim religious tent and tell them that Christian tent was talking bad of them, so the two tents would fight. So I would sell Satanism to everyone except really religious folks, they cant be converted.
You admit you distort the truth to sell Satanism. Your friend who listened to you are already burning in hell.
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Neither angels nor Gods, but an alien team. The preface to an awaited fall of religions.
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@IlDiavolo
It's really interesting to realize that this kind of communication is present in many stories of the bible, where an "angel" says something important into someone's dreams. Jacob and Joseph received "angelical" messages in dreams. "The angel of God said to me in the dream, ‘Jacob.’ I answered, ‘Here I am.’", Genesis 31:11. "Now after Herod had died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt'", Matthew 2:19. What we have to understand is that the aliens are millions of years ahead, so it’s not far-fetched to think they have full control of their minds. In fact, the ufologist Sixto Paz had contact with the aliens using telepathy several times. As well as him, there are other people that were contacted the same way. If nowadays we can communicate instantly with other people that are on the other side of the world using invisible electromagnetic waves, why couldn’t we think that our minds can do the same? It’s totally possible and could explain many stories of the bible related to extraterrestrial beings doing telepathy and even prophecies.
Are you saying the Aliens chose the Jews as their entry point because the Jews are the most gullible race?
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@RaymondSheen
Atheism is nonsensical because: 

a) It is practically non-existent. Everyone has gods, they just don't know it.
b) By definition falsifiable by the evidence. There are myriads of gods.
c) Specifically unscientific. God (supernatural) can't be tested.
d) Atheism is really either just apathetic irreligion or sociopolitical frustration of a militant minority.
This pathological condition appears to be growing.

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@Deb-8-a-bull
Theistic  =    a foolish or gullible person..   

Simpletons  =   belife in the existence of a god or gods.  


Yeah that works .


Good game.  
Good game. 


Move along.  
Even Theistic Simpletons believe in God.

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@ebuc
Threeness = structural integrity

4-ness = systemic integrity

3 + 4 = 7-ness integrity. There is way to much in 7-ness to go into here.  However, two versions of 7-ness are of fundamental significance.  

1} in regards to a torus ---see Arthur Young inverntor of Bell Helicopters Reflexive Universe/Reflive God,

2} 7 sets of axis spin associated with primary set  3-fold, 4-fold and 5-fold polyhedra

Here is the PDF format of the four special number systems I was referring too

Even your video points to the Trinity as real numbers.
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I finally understand why Jews try to trick God
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@rosends
that's where your knowledge of reality fails completely. You are also ignoring that the text promises the land to the Jews. Why don't you see Israel's existance and growth as fulfillment of biblical prophecy?

Oh yeah, because that doesn't fit your narrative or play to your ignorance.
The land was already given to the Arabs. In fact the Romans drove the Jews out of Israel. The majority of Jewish history points to their homelessness.

The Arabs own land 400 times the size of Israel. They control 2/3 the world’s oil reserves. There are 1.9 billion Muslims compared to 14 million Jews. God blessed the descendants of Ishmael who was circumcised.
Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.
The Jews now have to resort to stealing land from the Palestinians. The covenant of circumcision can only take the Jews so far only to be overtaken by the Muslims.

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@Mall
That can't apply to God because according to the scripture, God is a spirit. A spirit is not a thing.
This is why I say without scripture backing you up, you're in trouble.
Don't say things you have no bible for. 

There is nothing inherently wrong with referring to something as a “God thing.” The expression resembles another prevalent Christian saying—“God moment”—describing an extraordinary or intimate experience of God’s presence or power. Neither phrase is incorrect if understood and applied in light of biblical truth.
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@rosends
So much to look forward to!

And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries into which I have driven them, and will bring them back to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. (Jer 23:3)

The Arabs own land 400 times the size of Israel. They control 2/3 the world’s oil reserves. There are 1.9 billion Muslims compared to 14 million Jews. God blessed the descendants of Ishmael who was circumcised.
Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.
 The Jews now have to resort to stealing land from the Palestinians. The covenant of circumcision can only take the Jews so far only to be overtaken by the Muslims.
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@Best.Korea
Satan has given me new life. It is a better life than the one Christian God would give me. May Satan prosper and may Christian God forever fail.
You are praying to Satan to destroy his creator. You are more evil than Satan.
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@rosends
I'm glad your faith system validates the biblical prophecies. So much to look forward to!
Jeremiah 11
9 The Lord said to me: A conspiracy is taking place among the people of Judah and residents of Jerusalem. 10 They have returned to the sins of their ancestors who refused to obey my words. They too are following other gods and serving them. The people of Israel and the people of Judah have broken my covenant that I made with their ancestors.

11 Therefore, the Lord proclaims: I will bring upon them a disaster from which they won’t be able to escape. They will cry out to me, but I won’t listen to them. 12 Then the people of Judah and those living in Jerusalem will call upon the gods they worship,[a] but they won’t save them when disaster strikes. 13 You have as many gods as you have towns, Judah, and you have as many shameful altars for worshipping Baal as you have streets in Jerusalem.

Matthew 27:25 And all the people yelled back, “We will take responsibility for his death—we and our children!”

Exodus 34:7 says that God “[visits] the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation.”
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@Mall
What is an entity? What is the nature of it in this case?

Definition of entity.
a thing with distinct and independent existence.
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@ebuc

The Trinitarians already do.
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It also confirms as I explained above.  It appears that Islamic culture has been allowed to override UK law and nobody gives a fk including the  UK  Government that outlaws the practices of other foreign cultures.

This is why the British Empire collapsed. The Brits were not capable of following the laws of the lands they colonized.

Nothing to do with the topic in question.  The point of this thread has been made clear for those that can actually read and understand what is written. See the bold underlined in my quote above

Or would you like it in italics too?

Why Islamic culture is allowed to override UK law.
Islam is the second-largest religion in the United Kingdom, with results from the 2021 Census recording just under four million Muslims, or 6.0% of the total population in the United Kingdom.[7][8] London has the largest population and greatest proportion (15%) of Muslims in the country.[9][10][11] The vast majority of British Muslims in the United Kingdom adhere to Sunni Islam,[12] while smaller numbers are associated with Shia Islam.

UK tried to go vegetarian by electing an Indian PM Rishi Sunak thinking he was vegetarian. But that turned out to be a mistake.

Brits like their food fried or baked or roasted. That would be ever more cruel to animals to undergo that slow torture.
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@rosends
If the Jews were loyal to their God, why didn’t their God preserve them from their neighbours? Was it because the Jews only observed dietary restrictions and circumcision that left them helpless. Today they rely on American weapons which is why they are still around.

God did which is why there are still Jews here and there. You keep ignoring the most obvious "why" answer -- the one the text attests to: idolatry.
Seriously, you are getting your stupidity mixed into your hate and it is just making you look worse and worse.
The Arabs own land 400 times the size of Israel. They control 2/3 the world’s oil reserves. There are 1.9 billion Muslims compared to 14 million Jews. God blessed the descendants of Ishmael who was circumcised.
Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.

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@ebuc
Third { lost } and most important type of memory according to someone{s} who state the info in this Utube.


Most famous band ever had no less than four musicians.  Ex the Beatles

Their song Ballard of John and Yoko ...Christ you know aint easy... was banned from early banned from public radio stations cause they used the word Christ. Illogical, lack of common sense critical thinking evangelical conservatives then and today.
Insulting Christ is offensive to 2 billion Christians worldwide. Common sense should have guided them.
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@Best.Korea
Even my friends on Earth suffer. God is a cruel monster. There is no reason to serve God.
You are living a hell on earth existence. Why blame God for your bad decisions?
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@Best.Korea
There is no reason to trust the Bible. We have eyes. We see that world sucks.
All your friends are burning in hell. Your world is full of suckers.
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@rosends
And the cessation of prophecy (about 320 before the common era, not 450) had no effect on Jews' preserving their knowledge of God. They had both written texts and orally transmitted laws. They practiced their religion well beyond "dieting" and circumcision. Do you even have a point to make or are you just a rnadomly firing shotgun, hoping that one pellet will land?
If the Jews were loyal to their God, why didn’t their God preserve them from their neighbours? Was it because the Jews only observed dietary restrictions and circumcision that left them helpless. Today they rely on American weapons which is why they are still around.
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@Best.Korea
Definition of evil: morally bad, cruel, or very unpleasant
That sounds like Christian God.
That is not how Christians describe their God.
How does the Bible describe who God is?
So let's find out the truth of who he is—from Scriptures. They're his Word to us, a gift that allows us to get to know him directly. As you'll see in the verses below, God is loving, merciful, holy, longsuffering, kind, faithful, all-powerful, and eternal. He sent his son for us and offers us salvation and rest in him.

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@Best.Korea
Christian God is evil and retarded.

Definition of evil: morally bad, cruel, or very unpleasant:

God does not fit your definition of evil and retarded.
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@rosends
So your claim remains unsubstantiated. Kings who worshipped idolatry killed prophets. And they and the nation that worshipped idols were punished.

See how great learning is? It points out what you don't really know and gives you an opportunity to change your position when faced with more facts.
God stopped sending prophets to save the Jews because the Jews were famous for disposing off their prophets. According to the Bible Malachi was the last prophet sent some 450 years before Jesus. So what did the Jews rely on to preserve their knowledge of God? It goes back to dieting and observing circumcision. These two aspects of Judaism is well preserved and observed.

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@Swagnarok
So where am I going with this?

The evidence suggests that it's written on the hearts of men to develop and practice religions, and the forms of religion which come most naturally to men are the templates described above. Even if a religion starts out as a lofty intellectual construct (e.g. Buddhism), or the founder expressly discouraged several of the above (for instance, Jesus and repetitive prayer, Paul and asceticism), it will, within a few generations, morph into the above. Thus, orthopractically, religions tend to converge in the same general direction. 

Psychology of religion is an important field for understanding the subject.  This field has tended to be dominated by atheists, which is why many theists distrust it, but one could use the insights provided to construct the "intuitive religion" of a generalized form, AKA the one common religion of mankind. 

Which raises the question: why is there, in a manner of speaking, one common religion that people across the world know by pure intuition?
Religion is the different ways man tries to explain the unknown beginning with God the creator and why.
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See, I don't know. If we just lived in heaven all the time and life was perfect, I wouldn't say there was no free will. I would much prefer a perfect universe than a horrible one because of "free will".

that's because you value hedonism over justice

Even God could not create a perfect universe. So he had to put restrictions and that led to free will to choose.
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@rosends
Who said anything about justifying anything? Why don't you go back through the Jewish bible and make a list of all the prophets who were killed. Then look to see who killd each one and what the consequences were.

See, that would be called "learning" and you should look into it.

The only time in Jewish history of mass persecution of God’s Prophets occurred was in the  lifetime of Prophet Elijah (I Kings 19:14) who told God: “I have been very jealous for the LORD; for [many of]  the children of Israel have forsaken your covenant, thrown down your altars, and slain your prophets with the sword; and I, only I am left; and they seek to take my life away.”

And of course there was the actual example in the Gospels of the Jewish King Herod as a Prophet killer. The Herodians had already done away with Jesus’ cousin Prophet John when he criticized their personal family affairs (Mark 6:17-29). Now “King Herod heard [reports about Jesus’ healing and teaching] for Jesus’ name had become [well] known. Some were saying, “John the baptizer has been raised from the dead; and for this reason these powers work in him [Jesus].” But others said, “It is Elijah.”  And others said, “It is a prophet like one of the prophets of old.” But when Herod heard of it, he said, “John, whom I beheaded, has returned to life.” (Mark 6:14-16)
There are two narratives in the Hebrew Bible that relate how a Jewish king killed a specific prophet: The first is in 2 Chronicles and involves Zechariah son of Jehoiada the high priest who lived in the days of King Joash of Judah (ruled 835-796): “The spirit of God then invested Zechariah son of Jehoiada the priest. He stood up before the people and said, ‘God says this, “Why transgress God’s commands to your certain ruin? For if you abandon God, he will abandon you.” They then plotted against him and, at the king’s order, stoned him in the courtyard  of the Temple of God.” (2 Chronicles 24:20-21).

The second narrative appears in the Book of Prophet Jeremiah, during the reign of King Jehoiakim (ruled 609-598): “There was another man, who used to prophesy in God’s name, Uriah son of Shemaiah, from Kiriath-Jearim. He prophesied exactly the same things against this city and this country as Jeremiah. When King Jehoiakim with all his officers and all the chief men heard what he said, the king decided to put him to death. “On hearing this, Uriah took flight and escaped to Egypt. King Jehoiakim, however, sent Elnathan son of Achbor to Egypt with others, who brought Uriah back from Egypt and took him to King Jehoiakim, who had him put to the sword and his body thrown into the common burial ground.” (Jeremiah 26:20- 23).

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@ebuc
The Trinity is a spiritual concept.

All Meta-space concepts are of a spiritual nature.

Eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe is of a spiritual nature.

Experience  --via occupied space-- precedes all access to Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego.

01 } Spirit-1 is Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego

-----------------conceptual line-of-demarcation--------------

2 } Spirit-2 is the eternally existent{?}  occupied space Fermionic matter and bosonic forces aka Observed-phyiscal reality-Time { OT }

3 } Spirit-3 is the eternally existent,  ultra-micro, Meta-physical { outer surface set of nodal events }, occupied space Gravity (  )

4} Spirit-4 is the eternally existent, ultra-micro, Meta-physical { inner surface set of nodal events }, occupied space Dark Energy )( 

When any other has logical, common sense critical thinking that validates or invalidates my above givens --as presented-- please share.  None ever have validated my givens and none will ever invalidate them.
You are simply expanding the Trinity concept.
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It also confirms as I explained above.  It appears that Islamic culture has been allowed to override UK law and nobody gives a fk including the  UK  Government that outlaws the practices of other foreign cultures.
This is why the British Empire collapsed. The Brits were not capable of following the laws of the lands they colonized.

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@rosends
1. The laws were the laws before the prophets existed
2. why would you quote the gospels to someone who doesn't see them as authoritative or useful?

for a start ;)
Just because the Jews don’t accept the Gospels does not justify killing God’s prophets.
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I shall answer it for you then shall I. And the answer is simple:      The story is false. Neither Moses nor god freed the people. Pharaoh expelled them from his land because the were out populating the indigenous Egyptians.  
Following God’s dietary restriction and circumcision make the Jews highly fertile.
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@ebuc
I'm not sure what you mean by "trinity math".

It was already explained to you.
So describing the Trinity in mathematics is as simple as this: Infinity + Infinity + Infinity = Infinity.
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Those are some of the basic laws (with only a few errors) which God commanded. So? And your logical conclusion about why those are laws is possibly the dumbest thing I will see online today. Thanks.
God commanded the Jews to follow 613 commandments. But the Jews killed God’s messengers (prophets) before they became laws.

Matthew 23:37
37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

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Creator God is Meta-space mind/intellect/concept and perhaps stems from ego

Spirit-1 is Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego ex concepts of creator God, Time, Space, Footballs, Toyotas
---conceptual line of demarcation---------

Spiirt-2 is the eternally existent { ? } occupied space physical reality aka observed {  * quantized *  } time, as Ferminonic matter and Bosonic forcess, that, aggregate as atoms, molecules substances, terra-ferma, galalaxies clusters of galaxies and Universe { @ }as sum-total of occupied space.

Spirit-3 eternally existent, occupied space Gravity ...(>   )(    )(     )(    < ).........

Spirit-4, eternally existent occupied space Dark Energy ......<)(   )(   )(    )(>.......

........space(> * <)(> * <)space........

God as eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe { @ } is logical, common sense critical thinking based on experiences structural and systemic integrity found with all finite occupied space objects, to more or lesser degrees of existence with a time period.

/\ = triangle as closed, 2D  structural integrity

[  ] = square as closed, 2D systemic integrity

8 triangles and 6 squares define the 3D cubo-octahedron aka 12-aorund-one equal radius spheres, and has 3, 4, 6 and 12 ergo a total of 25, topological  axis of spin


When made from four circle planes, we have 24 radii vs 24 chords ergo balance between 24 dispersive radiating EMRadiation and 24 circumferential gravitational chords as the ' closet to we would ever come to knowing  God '. 


Great bisecting 2D planes become great bisecting great 2D circles ---when conceptually spun on 25 axi---


2D great circles conceptually become 3D tori when conceptually { imagined } expanded to have a volume { outer surface > inside body < inner surface }
What is Trinity math?

So describing the Trinity in mathematics is as simple as this: Infinity + Infinity + Infinity = Infinity.

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@Mall
Three what?

What is a simple way to describe the Trinity?
The Holy Trinity is the belief that God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one in the same. Each of them has a role and exist as three entities, but they ultimately comprise one main entity.



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You are not very good at answering the question are you, Shila.  You do realise that your chosen verses make nonsense of gods decision considering it was he that wanted his own chosen people to go free.

WHY did he harden Pharaoh's heart. It is never ever explained. If god wanted his people freed so desperately why not just free them himself with a wave of his godly hand instead of having go betweens' racing back and forth demanding shite every day ?  You cannot answer the question because there isn't any  answer. 

Maybe you should leave it to the author of the OP Owen_T to take up the questions considering he invited the questions in the first place...... but I won't hold my breath.
We cannot question God’s motives. Our knowledge is limited because Adam and Eve just got one bite each of the tree of knowledge.
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x = woman 

X y = man

x - X - y
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Three X's and one y make four.

Humans bi-pedal

Many animal quadra-pedal

BIrds ---descendants of dinosaurs-- two legs two feet, bilateral wings.

12 - or 24 cranial nerves and 31 bilateral spinal nerves in humans and some other animals.

20 kinds of amino-acids --left and right total 40---   with biologic life being composed of only left-hand amino-acids only.

.." An an thas six legs. Like all insects, ants have a three-part body: the head, thorax, and abdomen. Their legs are attached to the thorax, which is the middle part of their body. Each leg has three segments: the coxa, the trochanter, and the femur. "...
The Trinity is a spiritual concept.
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I have not not not not eaten a carrot.
So you belong to Group 2.

Group 2 wont be given new life. They will just cease to exist.
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Why did an omnipotent god create anything at all?
God created all things because it was good.
How many times does God say it was good in Genesis?
As we look at the first five days of creation in Genesis, the phrase “And God saw that it was good” pops up four times (Genesis 1:10, 12, 18, 25). Yet, at the end of the sixth day we read, God saw all that he had made, and it was very good (Genesis 1:31).
If god wanted Pharaoh to "let his people go" then  why did god harden the heart of Pharaoh causing him to be stubborn and refuse to free those that were in so called "bondage"? 

Romans 9:17-18 declares, “For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: ‘I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.’ Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden.” From a human perspective, it seems wrong for God to harden a person and then punish the person He has hardened. Biblically speaking, however, we have all sinned against God (Romans 3:23), and the just penalty for that sin is death (Romans 6:23). Therefore, God’s hardening and punishing a person is not unjust; it is actually merciful in comparison to what the person deserves.

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@Owen_T
That makes sense

But now your just ignoring the bulk of it, why a creature with free will would do such a thing .
Why does Satan rebel against God?
According to the Old Testament, Satan (or Lucifer, as he was called when he was an angel) was one of God's creations. Two Old Testament passages (Isaiah 14:12-15 and Ezekiel 28:11-19) allude to the angel Lucifer's original position as a very exalted being, and likely the highest ranking of all the angels. Ezekiel 28:12-15 also states that in addition to being powerful, it's likely that Lucifer was the most beautiful of all of God's creations.But Lucifer was not satisfied with his lot in heaven as "God's favorite angel." Instead, Lucifer wanted to become God himself and planned what could essentially be called a military coup to overthrow God and take over as leader of the universe. In essence, Satan rebelled against God because he wasn't happy as an assistant to God but instead wanted to have God's job.
According to the Old Testament, upon learning of Lucifer's plan, God removed him from his dignified position and cast him out of Heaven (Isaiah 14:15; Ezekiel 28:16-17). This is often described as Satan's "fall from Heaven," although it's probably more accurate to say that he was exiled from Heaven.
Interestingly, in the Old Testament, when Satan tempts Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, he does so using the promise of God-like powers. In Genesis 3:1-5, as Satan tempts Eve to eat the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, he tells her, "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."Satan convinces Eve to eat the fruit by telling her that after doing so, she will know what God knows.

You can see it was raw ambition and rebellion.

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