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Yep, as I stated the Earth is clearly spherical.



So, do you suggest that I re-enter some bogus profile details like your bogus profile details.

French Canadian Catholic........As if.
French Canadians are the majority population in Montreal, which is often said to be the second largest French-speaking city in the world (after Paris)
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If you just write shit.

Then it is highly likely that it's a load of it.
If you throw poop back then you start a poop fight. That is what this group is in the middle of. i.e. a poop fight.

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paleocons less so and paleo are closer to the opposite.
Trump was a paleoconservative. He got us reinvolved in the Middle East and declared war on ISIS. And all the paleocon thinkers egged him on.
It was George W. Bush that got America involved in the middle-east 2002.  Trump should be credited for pulling out of the middle-east and letting Putin in.

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Facebook and Instagram lost 80billion combined.  Twitter also sees stock value drop. Only TikTok gaining big time.

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The case for the Historical Jesus
Here is what BrotherD. said about you.

Stephen,

Okay, we get it! You are vying to be the most dumbfounded of biblical knowledge on DebatArt Religion Forum! Furthermore, you are already the number one RUN AWAY from your bible ignorance on DebateArt, where I forgot to congratulate you earlier! 

Now, you once again remove one foot to insert the other AGAIN in your vain attempts to "think" you know the Bible, where you DO NOT!

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANCE HAVING NO BOUNDS QUOTE POST #8: "Is this clown speak!?  The only part of that whole sentence that rings true, is the fact that Timothy, quite plainly states Jesus is in fact a "MAN", and not a  god. We should expect nothing less from ' brother' buffoon who knows not his Ark from his own arse;"

The passage in question: "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (1 Timothy 2:5)

Let me help you break this verse down that runs against your continued bible ignorance, okay? Ready?

1. "For there is one God" equals Jesus the Christ as God where 1 Timothy 3:15-16 and many other narratives so states, GET IT? 

2. "and there is one mediator between God and men" equals Jesus between Himself as Yahweh God incarnate and men, UNDERSTOOD?

3. "the man Christ Jesus" equals the words stating that Jesus is God, DO YOU GET IT YET?

Stephen, I can understand that you are trying so hard in not making Jesus God because of your one of many other posts that shows you to be vying to be the most bible ignorant on DebateArt listed below. You actually stated that all divisions of Christianity make Jesus the Son of God, where you were BLATANTLY WRONG again! You are still RUNNING AWAY from your embarrassment within this post!

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2273/how-did-judas-die?page=3&post_number=51


Regarding your perceived notion of the Ark contradiction, I have explained this many times where I was testing the threads members, but yet you hang on to this situation as if you have a "gotcha!" against me, where compared to the following embarrassing and bible ignorant posts of yours shown below, CONVERSELY YOU ARE LAUGHABLE TO THE CORE!  LOL!

STEPHEN BEING “SCHOOLED” UPON JESUS’ MIRACLES:

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2260-what-does-hate-mean?page=5&post_number=101

STEPHEN BEING “SCHOOLED” UPON LUKE 14:26

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2260-what-does-hate-mean?page=1&post_number=20

STEPHEN “SCHOOLED” ON JESUS’ CRUCIFIXION AND RESURRECTION THAT HE RAN AWAY FROM:

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2273-how-did-judas-die?page=2&post_number=46

STEPHEN “SCHOOLED” AGAIN WHEN HE DISAGREES WITH STRONG’S CONCORDANCE RELATIVE TO LUKE 14:26

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2260-what-does-hate-mean?page=4&post_number=98

STEPHEN HAVING A HARD TIME IN NOT UNDERSTANDING THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN DOCTRINE, DUH

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2285-how-do-you-go-about-removing-your-sins?page=1&post_number=11

STEPHEN RUNS AWAY FROM ANOTHER POST OF MINE WITH LAME LITTLE BOY EXCUSES BECAUSE HE CANNOT ADDRESS IT
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2285/how-do-you-go-about-removing-your-sins?page=1&post_number=11

STEPHEN RUNS AWAY FROM YET ANOTHER OF MY POSTS SHOWING HIM TO BE AS BIBLE IGNORANT AS DR. “C&P” FRANKLIN

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2273-how-did-judas-die?page=3&post_number=51

STEPHEN FAILS TO REALIZE THAT HIS RUSE PERTAINING TO BIBLICAL SCRIPTURES GOES SEVERELY WANTING AT ALL TIMES

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2260-what-does-hate-mean?page=5&post_number=103

Question, when do we expect you to go into HIDING on DebateArt to save what face you have left upon this forum? Huh? LOL!!! Now, go and lick your wounds that I have easily inflicted upon you once again, where your bible ignorance has absolutely no bounds! 
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The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for their children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children survive to grow up, I will take them from you.  It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone.  I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre.  But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered oh Lord. what should I request for your people? I will ask for the wombs that don’t give birth and breast that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them.  I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions.  I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels.  The people of Israel are stricken.  Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children. (Hosea 9:11-16) 


Indeed Brother D.  This "historical Jesus " certainly worked in violent 
Stephen there is no mention of Jesus in Hosea.

No mention of Jesus. Elijah was praying to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel in Hosea’s quotes.

Hosea 9:36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: “Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37 Answer me, Lord, answer me, so these people will know that you, Lord, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again.”


Which brings to mind what BrotherD.said about you. Stephen.

Here is what BrotherD said about you.


“Anyone see STEPHEN lurking around DebateArt Religion Forum, where he continues to HIDE from my post #51 above that continues to show him as one of the most bible ignorant members on this forum?

Let me know if you see him, and if he is not to scared and pissing his pants, tell him to address yet another embarrassing post above where I have BIBLE-SLAPPED him once again in the name of Jesus! 

Stephen is just making it too easy for me.”

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I believe " a " historical jesus lived. But at no way could he of been " diffrent " then you or i. 

Only that he may have had a legitimate claim to the throne of David. Which although this throne had been promised him via his mother by god himself, he never got  in  sniffing distance of its seat. But yes, a man like you and I.


But at no point in no time
No one can do magic shit.
No one comes back to life.   
FULL STOP.

Yep. Spot on Deb. 



Then id like to go on and to have it a guess.  i think of jesus as a " gambit " of sorts. 
A good front man. 
I feel he was tricked into believing he was diff.


That is a great possibility, Deb, and something I have suggested often 



Its only commen sense a god thing doesn't exist.

 Indeed, and simply believing in such, is not enough to make it true.

Great post Deb. 👍
Wish  they would say the same about you Stephen.

Here is what BrotherD said about you.


“Anyone see STEPHEN lurking around DebateArt Religion Forum, where he continues to HIDE from my post #51 above that continues to show him as one of the most bible ignorant members on this forum?

Let me know if you see him, and if he is not to scared and pissing his pants, tell him to address yet another embarrassing post above where I have BIBLE-SLAPPED him once again in the name of Jesus!  

Stephen is just making it too easy for me.”


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In my continuing treatise of showing Jesus' true modus operandi, that goes directly against the Bible fool Shila's rendition of Jesus, I continue with JESUS BEING A BLATANT ABORTIONIST to His creation:


THE BIBLE STATES THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD IN JESUS:  “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” (1 Timothy 2:5) 
Jesus is called a mediator not God in (1 Timothy 2:5) 
JESUS IS GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS: And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces and said, “The Lord, he is God; the Lord, he is God.” (1 Kings 18:39)
No mention of Jesus. Elijah was praying to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.

Hosea 9:36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: “Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37 Answer me, Lord, answer me, so these people will know that you, Lord, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again.”
SIMON PETER SAYS JESUS IS THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS: Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours."
Peter also lied about Jesus 3 times.
Peter's first denial (John 18:17-18) · , Peter's additional denials (John 18:25-27) · 

THEREFORE, WHEN JESUS IS GOD, THEN CHRISTIANS HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT HE WAS AN "HORRIFIC ABORTIONIST" AS SHOWN BELOW: 


1. In the book of Hosea, Jesus as God, gave Ephraim women miscarrying wombs and caused abortions, and if said children survived, Jesus would take them from their parents, and "if" they gave birth, Jesus would SLAY their beloved children!

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for their children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children survive to grow up, I will take them from you.  It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone.  I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre.  But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered oh Lord. what should I request for your people? I will ask for the wombs that don’t give birth and breast that give no milk.The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them.  I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions.  I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels.  The people of Israel are stricken.  Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children. (Hosea 9:11-16) 

No mention of Jesus in Hosea (9:11-16). Elijah was praying to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.

Hosea 9:36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: “Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37 Answer me, Lord, answer me, so these people will know that you, Lord, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again.”
2. JESUS, as Yahweh God incarnate, became an abortionist when He murdered INNOCENT zygotes and fetus’ in the wombs of pregnant women as they drowned in His Great Flood. Furthermore, He murdered babies and children that treaded water before they drowned in HIs Great Flood. It is factual to say that Jesus was NOT PRO-LIFE!  :(

"The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.  The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”  I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.(Genesis 6:5-7, 17)
The Torah, as well as the rest of the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible), does not say anything about Jesus or Mary. These texts were written hundreds of years before their time. Genesis is one of the five books in the Torah.
Christians, can an innocent zygote and fetus be truly evil where they needed to be destroyed within their mothers wombs as their mothers drowned a horrible suffocating death? Can an innocent baby or young child that knew not of evil, where they needed to die a horrible drowning death by hopelessly treading water in Jesus' flood as they cried out in horror to their mothers?  Picture these babies and children's  muscles burning due to large amounts of lactic acid production, where when they finally give up, they went under the ocean waters and held their little breaths as acidic carbon dioxide eroded their lungs until the unbearable pain forced them to inhale, where there was no air for them to breathe. :(

Then the water brought into their little lungs robbed their little bodies of oxygen, causing them to go numb. As water violently rushed in and out of their little chests, it finally laid their heavily breathing and slowly dying bodies to the bottom of the ocean because the inhaled water caused their lungs to tear and bleed profusely.  As their blood supply dwindled, their innocent hearts slowly came to a halt. Even so, their brains continued to process information for another couple of minutes. Unfortunately, they were patently aware that death was imminent, yet they could do nothing to prevent it. We can only imagine that their final thoughts would have been on what they did to deserve such horrific treatment and death.  All the time, our Jesus as God was watching. (Proverbs 15:3)


Yes, to be a TRUE Christian like myself, I have had to learn that I have to accept Jesus in the manner shown above, and where Jesus truly is NOT all loving and forgiving like so many pseudo-christians erroneously state. Basically, we worship a serial killer as shown above, but personally, the only reason that I continue to do so, is the Bible fact that there will be NO WOMEN in heaven, where we superior men had to put up with them while upon earth, praise Jesus!
 BrotherD., Think carefully what you also said, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.

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Yes shila . 

I believe " a " historical jesus lived. But at no way could he of been " diffrent " then you or i. 
With in reason. 
But at no point in no time
No one can do magic shit.
No one comes back to life.   
FULL STOP.


Then id like to go on and to have it a guess.  i think of jesus as a " gambit " of sorts. 
A good front man. 
I feel he was tricked into believing he was diff. 
And as stated as above. No one can be different. ( with in the reason crap again )    

Its only commen sense a god thing doesn't exist. 

Issssss what i feel. 
Thats going on a TOTAL GUESS. 
So Shila got you to admit on this very thread “the case for the Historical Jesus “ that you indeed believe a historical Jesus lived.

Individual confessions like yours are important because it adds to the number of people who also believe in the Historical Jesus outside of Christianity and other religions.

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Do you remember this exchange above that we had way back in 2019, Brother D. And reproduced here by shila in his cross-thread contamination post above? 

I believe it finished in some sort of stalemate. That will depend on the reader to decide should they be interested at all, of course. 

By the way, isn't intentional cross-thread contamination against the CoC rules Brother D? Maybe you can look for me when you have the time. 

And isn't shila already on a warning?
Stephen are you saying you forgot your were bible slapped by BrotherD.?


Here is the link and post of your first Bible slapping.


BrotherD. Exposes Stephens biblical ignorance and then bible slaps him

Here is BrotherD. replying to Stephen.

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Stephen,

Once again pertaining to your outright biblical ignorance in your post listed below, I have to once again CORRECT you!


YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: “Although the Christ mentions  his "father" quite a lot (over 150 times) no one knows who the New Testament Christian god actually is and you cannot say who he is unless your of the mind that Jesus was "god" and the same Old Testament god that Hebrews are said to have served which would show the glaring contradiction between the personalities.”

I thought you said that you knew more about the bible than I will ever live to know, remember?  Therefore, why do you continue to add more proverbial egg to your face by continuing to be totally bible ignorant?!

The TRUE Christian does know who the Father is, and that is Jesus, as a part of the Triune Doctrine in being Yahweh God incarnate of the Old Testament.  Earth to Stephen, H-E-L-L-O, anybody home today?

“But in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God the pillar and support of the truth. By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.” (1 Timothy 3:15-16)

“Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.” (Philippians 2:5-8)

“Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)



YOUR CONTINUING BIBLE IGNORANCE AT YOUR EXPENSE: “ Does the god yahweh appear anywhere in the New Testament?  Does the word /name Yahweh appear in the New Testament? There is absolutely no evidence that "Christians kept the ancient yahweh as their god", as you seem to be suggesting, none whatsoever.”

Oh, my, I have seen the bible ignorant of Jesus’ creation before, but YOU take the cake! The OT and NT are connected with the
SAME GOD!. When the term “God” appears in the New Testament, it is referring to Yahweh of the Old Testament writings, which in turn, is referring to Jesus as being Yahweh God incarnate.  Here, let me help your complete bible ignorance once again with the following passage showing that Jesus is in the Old Testament as Yahweh God, okay?

JESUS STATED: “Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope. If you had believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?”  (John 5:45-47)

GET IT? HUH? If Moses spoke of Jesus, then most certainly Jesus is not only Yahweh God incarnate, but in turn, CHRISTIANS DID KEEP THE ANCIENT YAHWEH AS THEIR GOD!  2+2=4, OIL AND WATER DON’T MIX, AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST BIBLE IGNORNAT OF ANY PERSON THAT I HAVE EVER RUN ACROSS!

Please don't make me "Bible Slap" you again, agreed? Thank you. Stephen, your continued BIBLE IGNORANCE is excused once again, at your expense.
Stephen, do you have some kind of an ungodly fetish, where you get off on being one of the most biblically ignorant members on DebateArt religion forum?

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Shila, the continued "remove one foot to insert the other" pseudo-christian,

YOUR REVEALING QUOTE THAT REMINDED ME OF JESUS, THANK YOU:  "I was just defending against BrotherD. a blasphemous misogynist in a way that others would take notice. Notice only the males have responded."


As it was shown by me earlier, the inspired words of Jesus (1 Thessalonians 2:13)  within the scriptures shows that He believed in being a MISOGYNIST as the passages below so state, and since I have to follow Jesus' words below because they set an example for me, then I have to be a misogynist as well, GET IT?

1.  "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." (1 Timothy 2:11-14)

2.  “ But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ and the head of the woman in man. For the man is not of the women; but the woman of the man.” (1Corinthians 11: 3,8 ) 

3.  “I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare.” (Ecclesiastes 7:26)

4.  "The women should keep silent in the churchesFor they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church." (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)

5.  "Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered." (1 Peter 3:7)

6.  "It is better to live in a corner of the housetop than in a house shared with a quarrelsome wife." (Proverbs 21:9)

7.  "It is better to live in a desert land than with a quarrelsome and fretful woman." (Proverbs 21:19)

8.  “ It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.” (Proverbs 21:9)

9.  "A quarrelsome wife is as annoying as constant dripping on a rainy day. Stopping her complaints is like trying to stop the wind or trying to hold something with greased hands." (Proverbs 27:15-16) 

10.  " Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire." (1 Timothy 2:9)

11.  "For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior." (Ephesians 5:23)

12.  "For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man." (1 Corinthians 11:8-9)

13. “The woman Folly is loud; she is seductive and knows nothing.” (Proverbs 9:13)

14.  “to be self-controlled, pure, managers of their households, kind, and subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be discredited.” (Titus 2:5)


NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WOMAN LIKE "SHILA" THAT HELPS ME SHOW HOW JESUS' WORDS WITHIN IN THE BIBLE WERE MISOGYNISTIC WILL BE ...? LOL!
BrotherD. Not only is your mouth crooked and misshapen, everything that comes out of it  is also warped and crooked.

None of the verses you quoted above are the spoken words of Jesus. You have quoted Proverbs which was written by Solomon who did not know Jesus. Then you quote Timothy, Thessalonians and Corinthians which was written by Paul. Paul never met Jesus or heard his teaching during Jesus’s life time.
The  only words Paul heard in a vision of Jesus he had on the road to Damascus was:
Acts 9:4  He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”

BrotherD. You suffer from an inferiority complex because  of your low education and low income of less than 20,000$ annually. That is less than what most women make.

How Jesus Viewed and Valued Women

Jesus's Countercultural View of Women

The place of women in the first-century Roman world and in Judaism has been well-documented and set forth in several recent books.1 Most frequently, women were regarded as second-class citizens.

Jesus’s regard for women was much different from that of his contemporaries. Evans terms Jesus’s approach to women as “revolutionary” for his era.2 But was his treatment of women out of character with Old Testament revelation, or with later New Testament practice? Other chapters in this volume will show that it was not.

Disciples Come in Two Sexes, Male and Female

For Christ, women have an intrinsic value equal to that of men. Jesus said, “. . . at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’” (Matt. 19:4; cf. Gen. 1:27). Women are created in the image of God just as men are. Like men, they have self-awareness, personal freedom, a measure of self-determination, and personal responsibility for their actions.

Scanzoni and Hardesty point out that “Jesus came to earth not primarily as a male but as a person. He treated women not primarily as females but as human beings.”3 Jesus recognized women as fellow human beings. Disciples come in two sexes, male and female. Females are seen by Jesus as genuine persons, not simply as the objects of male desire.4 Hurley believes “the foundation-stone of Jesus’s attitude toward women was his vision of them as persons to whom and for whom he had come. He did not perceive them primarily in terms of their sex, age, or marital status; he seems to have considered them in terms of their relation (or lack of one) to God.”5

Three Clear Examples

Examples of this even-handed treatment of women by Jesus are found in the four Gospels.

First, Jesus regularly addressed women directly while in public. This was unusual for a man to do (John 4:27). The disciples were amazed to see Jesus talking with the Samaritan woman at the well of Sychar (John 4:7-26). He also spoke freely with the woman taken in adultery (John 8:10–11).6 Luke, who gives ample attention to women in his Gospel, notes that Jesus spoke publicly with the widow of Nain (Luke 7:12–13), the woman with the bleeding disorder (Luke 8:48; cf. Matt. 9:22; Mark 5:34), and a woman who called to him from a crowd (Luke 11:27–28). Similarly, Jesus addressed a woman bent over for eighteen years (Luke 13:12) and a group of women on the route to the cross (Luke 23:27-31).

A second aspect of Jesus’s regard for the full intrinsic value of women is seen in how he spoke to the women he addressed. He spoke in a thoughtful, caring manner. Each synoptic writer records Jesus addressing the woman with the bleeding disorder tenderly as “daughter” (references above) and referring to the bent woman as a “daughter of Abraham” (Luke 13:16). Bloesch infers that “Jesus called the Jewish women ‘daughters of Abraham’ (Luke 13:16), thereby according them a spiritual status equal to that of men.”7

Third, Jesus did not gloss over sin in the lives of the women he met. He held women personally responsible for their own sin as seen in his dealings with the woman at the well (John 4:16–18), the woman taken in adultery (John 8:10–11), and the sinful woman who anointed his feet (Luke 7:44–50). Their sin was not condoned, but confronted. Each had the personal freedom and a measure of self-determination to deal with the issues of sin, repentance, and forgiveness.

Jesus's Valuation of Women Today

Even though clear role distinction is seen in Christ’s choice of the apostles and in the exclusive type of work they were given to perform, no barriers need exist between a believer and the Lord Jesus Christ, regardless of gender. Jesus demonstrated only the highest regard for women, in both his life and teaching. He recognized the intrinsic equality of men and women, and continually showed the worth and dignity of women as persons. Jesus valued their fellowship, prayers, service, financial support, testimony and witness. He honored women, taught women, and ministered to women in thoughtful ways.

As a result, women responded warmly to Jesus’s ministry. Have things changed too drastically today for us to see this same Jesus? Not at all. Modern women can find the same rich fulfillment in serving Christ as did the Marys and Marthas of Judea, or the Joannas and Susannas of Galilee.

BrotherD., Think carefully what you said, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.


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Shila, the continued Bible fool as shown ad infinitum,

YOUR MISGUIDED QUOTE IN YOUR POST #427:  "How does the Islamic view of Jesus compare with your blasphemous claims against Jesus?"

Heads up pseudo-christian, I am NOT blasphemous against Jesus because I am telling the TRUTH about Him, understood? Therefore, my post shown in the link below about how Muslims think of Christianity STANDS!  Therefore, they DO NOT revere Jesus like you so erroneously said as being wrong once again in your posts, understood? Maybe? Huh?

THE ISLAMIC FAITH DOES NOT LIKE CHRISTIANS WHATSOEVER:
Brother D. let us compare the Islamic view of Jesus with that of your earlier expressed views on this very thread.

Islam
The Islamic faith was founded by Muhammad on the Arabian Peninsula in the early 7th Century. He claimed to be restoring the monotheistic religion corrupted by the Jews and Christians. As a result, Muslims acknowledge the impact of Jesus and recognize Him as a significant person within their own religious system. The Quran describes Jesus in the following way:
Jesus Was Born of a Virgin
The Quran describes Mary as a virgin prior to her miraculous conception. The conversation between Mary and Allah is recorded in the Quran, and Mary is told that she will conceive without the benefit of human involvement.
“She said: “Verily. I seek refuge with the Most Beneficent (Allâh) from you, if you do fear Allâh.” (The angel) said: “I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son.” She said: “How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste?” He said: “So (it will be), your Lord said: ‘That is easy for Me (Allâh): And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (Allâh), and it is a matter (already) decreed, (by Allâh).’ ” So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place (i.e. Bethlehem valley about 4-6 miles from Jerusalem).” (Quran 19:18-22)
Jesus Was to Be Revered
Jesus is held in high regard within the Muslim worldview. According to a legend, when Muhammad eliminated all the images of others gods in the Ka’bah, he refused to destroy the statue of Mary and the infant Christ. Jesus remains in a position of respect and reverence within Islam. When muslims speak the name of Jesus today, they typically either say “Hazrat Eesa” (“revered Jesus”) or “Eesa alai-hiss-salaam” (“Jesus peace be upon him”).While Muslims believe Jesus was to be revered as a prophet and Apostle of God, they do not believe He was more than this:
“O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians). Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allâh and His Word, (“Be.” – and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh)created by Him; so believe in Allâh and His Messengers. Say not: “Three (trinity).” Cease. (it is) better for you. For Allâh is (the only) One Ilâh (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son.” (Quran 4:171).
Jesus Was A Prophet
Islam affirms Jesus (known as “Isa” or “Eesa”) was one of God’s most important prophets:
“And Zakariyâ (Zachariya), and Yahya (John) and ‘Iesa (Jesus) and Iliyâs (Elias), each one of them was of the righteous.” (Quran 6:85)

Muslims also acknowledge Jesus was sent specifically to the Children of Israel:

“And will make him [‘Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): “I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allâh’s Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allâh’s Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taurât (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allâh and obey me.Truly. Allâh is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone). This is the Straight Path.” (Quran 3:49-51)

While Muhammad is described as the final prophet from God, he listed the previous prophets and included Jesus in that list. Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, but they deny He is God:

“The Messiah [‘Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allâh and His Books (see Verse 66:12)]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allâh does not eat). Look how We make the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth).” (Quran 5:75)

Muslims also deny Jesus was the “Son of God”:

“And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allâh, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allâh. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allâh’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth.” (Quran 9:30).

Jesus Was a Wise Teacher
Muslims acknowledge Jesus was a divinely wise teacher. The Quran reports Jesus’ disciples, as a result of His teaching, were filled with compassion and mercy:

“Then, We sent after them, Our Messengers, and We sent ‘Iesa (Jesus) ­ son of Maryam (Mary), and gave him the Injeel (Gospel). And We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him, compassion and mercy.” (Quran 57:27)

How does the Islamic view of Jesus compare with your blasphemous claims against Jesus?

BrotherD., Think carefully what you said, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.

BrotherD., You  have  only finished high school and your career highest income is less than 20,000$? You are 56 years old. Learn to show respect.

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Yes Brother D. Every verse you have posted from the bible proves the misogynistic nature of what is known as Christianity.  And although they may not be practiced and adhered to by Christians today, they cannot be defended against either.  And what's more; if they are not practiced and adhered to by Christians today, then it must be the fires of hell for those that defy the teaching of their lord god Jesus.

What a dilemma for you Christians.
Stephen, you have a dilemma too,  because you have been bible slapped by BrotherD.

Here is the link and post of your first Bible slapping.


 BrotherD. Exposes Stephens biblical ignorance and then bible slaps him 

Here is BrotherD. replying to Stephen.

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Stephen,

Once again pertaining to your outright biblical ignorance in your post listed below, I have to once again CORRECT you!


YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: “Although the Christ mentions  his "father" quite a lot (over 150 times) no one knows who the New Testament Christian god actually is and you cannot say who he is unless your of the mind that Jesus was "god" and the same Old Testament god that Hebrews are said to have served which would show the glaring contradiction between the personalities.”

I thought you said that you knew more about the bible than I will ever live to know, remember?  Therefore, why do you continue to add more proverbial egg to your face by continuing to be totally bible ignorant?!

The TRUE Christian does know who the Father is, and that is Jesus, as a part of the Triune Doctrine in being Yahweh God incarnate of the Old Testament.  Earth to Stephen, H-E-L-L-O, anybody home today?

“But in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God the pillar and support of the truth. By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.” (1 Timothy 3:15-16)

“Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.” (Philippians 2:5-8)

“Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)



YOUR CONTINUING BIBLE IGNORANCE AT YOUR EXPENSE: “ Does the god yahweh appear anywhere in the New Testament?  Does the word /name Yahweh appear in the New Testament? There is absolutely no evidence that "Christians kept the ancient yahweh as their god", as you seem to be suggesting, none whatsoever.”

Oh, my, I have seen the bible ignorant of Jesus’ creation before, but YOU take the cake! The OT and NT are connected with the
SAME GOD!. When the term “God” appears in the New Testament, it is referring to Yahweh of the Old Testament writings, which in turn, is referring to Jesus as being Yahweh God incarnate.  Here, let me help your complete bible ignorance once again with the following passage showing that Jesus is in the Old Testament as Yahweh God, okay?

JESUS STATED: “Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope. If you had believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?”  (John 5:45-47)

GET IT? HUH? If Moses spoke of Jesus, then most certainly Jesus is not only Yahweh God incarnate, but in turn, CHRISTIANS DID KEEP THE ANCIENT YAHWEH AS THEIR GOD!  2+2=4, OIL AND WATER DON’T MIX, AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST BIBLE IGNORNAT OF ANY PERSON THAT I HAVE EVER RUN ACROSS!

Please don't make me "Bible Slap" you again, agreed? Thank you. Stephen, your continued BIBLE IGNORANCE is excused once again, at your expense.

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Stephen, We know why you are afraid to ask the same question you want Deb to because you have been bible slapped by BrotherD. too.

Here is the link and post of your first Bible slapping.


 BrotherD. Exposes Stephens biblical ignorance and then bible slaps him 

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Stephen,

Once again pertaining to your outright biblical ignorance in your post listed below, I have to once again CORRECT you!


YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: “Although the Christ mentions  his "father" quite a lot (over 150 times) no one knows who the New Testament Christian god actually is and you cannot say who he is unless your of the mind that Jesus was "god" and the same Old Testament god that Hebrews are said to have served which would show the glaring contradiction between the personalities.”

I thought you said that you knew more about the bible than I will ever live to know, remember?  Therefore, why do you continue to add more proverbial egg to your face by continuing to be totally bible ignorant?!

The TRUE Christian does know who the Father is, and that is Jesus, as a part of the Triune Doctrine in being Yahweh God incarnate of the Old Testament.  Earth to Stephen, H-E-L-L-O, anybody home today?

“But in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God the pillar and support of the truth. By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.” (1 Timothy 3:15-16)

“Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.” (Philippians 2:5-8)

“Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)



YOUR CONTINUING BIBLE IGNORANCE AT YOUR EXPENSE: “ Does the god yahweh appear anywhere in the New Testament?  Does the word /name Yahweh appear in the New Testament? There is absolutely no evidence that "Christians kept the ancient yahweh as their god", as you seem to be suggesting, none whatsoever.”

Oh, my, I have seen the bible ignorant of Jesus’ creation before, but YOU take the cake! The OT and NT are connected with the
SAME GOD!. When the term “God” appears in the New Testament, it is referring to Yahweh of the Old Testament writings, which in turn, is referring to Jesus as being Yahweh God incarnate.  Here, let me help your complete bible ignorance once again with the following passage showing that Jesus is in the Old Testament as Yahweh God, okay?

JESUS STATED: “Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope. If you had believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?”  (John 5:45-47)

GET IT? HUH? If Moses spoke of Jesus, then most certainly Jesus is not only Yahweh God incarnate, but in turn, CHRISTIANS DID KEEP THE ANCIENT YAHWEH AS THEIR GOD!  2+2=4, OIL AND WATER DON’T MIX, AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST BIBLE IGNORNAT OF ANY PERSON THAT I HAVE EVER RUN ACROSS!

Please don't make me "Bible Slap" you again, agreed? Thank you. Stephen, your continued BIBLE IGNORANCE is excused once again, at your expense.


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How Jesus is viewed in Buddhism? Evidence that proves the Historical Jesus existed and was recognized in other religions.

Buddhism
While Buddhism is based primarily on the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama (a spiritual teacher from India who lived from approximately 563BC to 483BC and is known as the Buddha), Buddhism incorporates a variety of religious traditions, beliefs and practices. Like Hinduism, Buddhism provides no singular unified view about Jesus, although a number of Jesus’ characteristics are described by many Buddhists.

Jesus Was An Enlightened Man
Most Buddhists acknowledge and respect the fact Jesus lived a self-sacrificial life and had compassion on those who were in spiritual need. This kind of compassion is seen by Buddhists to be the key to happiness and enlightenment. For this reason, many Buddhists, including the 14th century Zen master, Gasan Jōseki, refer to Jesus as an “enlightened man”.

Jesus Was A Wise Teacher
Most Buddhists also respect the teaching of Jesus to a high degree, especially Jesus’ teaching related to loving one’s neighbor and the need to demonstrate kindness and forgiveness. His teaching related to compassion, for example, impressed the Dalai Lama greatly. Jesus is seen as someone who possessed the correct perspective on life and his teaching helped others to embrace the truth. Some Buddhists including the 14th Dali Lama, Tenzin Gyatso, have even recognized Jesus as a ” bodhisattva” (one who dedicates his life sacrificially to the service and betterment of others). While Jesus is seen as a wise teacher, He is not seen as divine.

Jesus Was a Holy Man
The current Dalai Lama often describes Jesus as a “holy man” and includes Jesus in his list of such people. In fact, the Dalai Lama does not typically elevate Buddha to a greater status than Jesus when discussing the two figures. The Dalai Lama met frequently with the Pope in the early part of the 21st century and showed great respect for the teaching and person of Jesus Christ.

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Sorry for derailing a bit there. 

Hinduism is certainly cut of a diffrent cloth  thats for sure. 
Nice post man.  

If ya keeping a eye out for a God thing.  hinduism is the ummm. Avenue you want to look up. 



Friendly  reminder.   This is a religious forum .  
Soooooo i don't know why you are  talking about hinduism for. ?

Hinduism is the world's oldest religion, according to many scholars, with roots and customs dating back more than 4,000 years.
Hinduism has approximately 1.2 billion adherents worldwide (15-16% of the world's population). ... Hinduism is the third largest religion in the world behind Christianity and Islam.

The view Hindus have of Jesus is more admirable than most of the atheist members on DebateArt.
You must be here to defend BrotherD. because you feel guilty what you did to him and only showed up after Shila had pointed out how badly his mouth was misshapen.

Good game. 
Good game. 
Thank you. You did not answer the question! “Do you believe the Historical Jesus existed?”
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How Jesus is viewed in other religions like Hinduism, Islam and others.

Hinduism
Hinduism is a very diverse religious faith that began in India. It is rooted in religious views dating back to the Iron Age of India (12th to 6th centuries BC) and it has no single founder. There are many varieties of Hinduism embracing a complex and divergent set of views, and for this reason, it is difficult to isolate a unified set of beliefs related to Jesus. Hindu believers often hold a variety of views.

Jesus Was a Holy Man
Most Hindus evaluate “spirituality” on the basis of behavior and practice. Virtues such as tolerance, love, non-violence, self-sacrifice and humility are held in high esteem and considered to be characteristics of “holy men” known as Sadhu. By this criteria, Jesus qualifies as a “Hindu Saint” on the basis of his life and teaching.

Jesus Was A Wise Teacher
Most Hindus respect the teaching of Jesus and some have even committed themselves to this teaching. Mahatma Gandhi, for example, admired the teaching of Jesus greatly (particularly the Sermon on the Mount), even though he was not interested in Jesus as a true historical character. Gandhi saw Jesus as a symbol of superior ethics and revered His teaching.

Jesus is a ‘God’
Some Hindus are more than willing to acknowledge Jesus as divine, if He is not seen as ‘uniquely’ Divine. Hindus often worship many gods and goddesses and some are eager to include Jesus in their list of deities. They don’t, however, see Jesus as the only way to God. Instead, some understand Jesus as the perfect example of “self-realization” (the goal of Hindu “dharma”). Many Hindus see Jesus as a symbol of what humans can attain, rather than a true historical person. He is divine in his modeling, if not in His nature, and He is not the only such model. While some Hindus may see Jesus as a God-man of sorts, they would also site other examples such as Rama, Krishna and Buddha. Jesus is simply one of many “ishtas” (forms of the divine) in the history of mankind.

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I have no idea, I just think you should drop it, doubling down on an innapropriate post accomplishes nothing. 

You've let these trolls own you.
It has been dropped. My post was deleted by the mods. But the truth and picture remains. I have no control over that. Thank you for showing concern. The thread is about the Historical Jesus. I will continue to build my case.

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What the hell?

You've lost your mind, your credibility, and probably your membership on this site
Will the mods delete my thread “The case for the Historical Jesus “ if they ban me? I would like to take it with me to another site so I can continue with my research. Or can I request they delete my thread?
I was just defending against BrotherD. a blasphemous misogynist in a way that others would take notice. Notice only the males have responded.

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The Bible is available in Esperanto so Christians will not be affected by the language change.
That only works if all Christians understand Esperanto and I’m pretty sure that they don’t
If Christians can learn about God, they can surely learn Esperanto. The same cannot be said about Atheists.

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Is there a contrast between pagan and Christian views?

Anglican bishops declare that Jesus is not God

“More than half of England’s Anglican Bishops say that Christians are not obliged to believe that Jesus Christ was God, according to a survey published today. The pole of 31 of England’s 39 bishops shows that many of them think that Christ’s miracles, the virgin birth and the resurrection might not have happened exactly as described in the Bible. Only 11 of the bishops insisted that Christians must regard Christ as both God and man, while 19 said it was sufficient to regard Jesus as ‘God’s supreme agent.



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I'm honestly not sure what the picture you linked it to has to do with this. You made a jab at the person behind that picture, and as far as I know, there's nothing specifically wrong with the picture. If there is, please explain it.
The mouth  is misshapen in the picture (Avatar) indicating BrotherD. is using the Bible to attract men so he can give them  a BJ. Considering his age he must have  been doing that for sometime. Hence his misshapen mouth. 
I linked his picture /Avatar so members could see it in context. 
You're not particularly new here, and by now, it should be clear that insults in general are off-limits. I don't regularly comb through forum posts looking for insults, so yes, if someone is insulting to you personally, that's a basis for reporting that post.
All I was describing was how and why BrotherD. was speaking from both sides of his mouth. It was intended to explain why all his posts are directed at attacking women eg. Tradesecret and Shila. And why men are spared by just looking at his misshapen mouth.

Eg of how BrotherD. Addresses Tradesecret in every post. He has over 260 out of 390 posts attacking Tradesecret.

MISS TRADESECRET, whose gender went from a “MAN TO A WOMAN,” and then to “OTHER,” then went to her being 53 years old, then 12 years old, then changed to being 14 years old, Debate Runaway on Jesus' true MO,  Bible denier of Jesus being God in the OT, the runaway to what division of Christianity she follows, the pseudo-christian that has committed the Unpardonable Sin, the number 1 Bible ignorant fool regarding the Noah's Ark narrative, SHE SAYS THAT OFFSPRING THAT CURSE THEIR PARENTS SHOULD BE KILLED, states there is FICTION within the scriptures, and is guilty of Revelation 22:18-19, 2 Timothy 4:3, and 1 Timothy 2:12. She obviously had ungodly Gender Reassignment Surgery, Satanic Bible Rewriter, she goes against Jesus in not helping the poor, teaches Christianity at Universities in a “blind leading the blind” scenario, and is a False Prophet, says that Jesus is rational when He commits abortions and makes His creation eat their children, and that Jesus is rational when He allows innocent babies to be smashed upon the rocks, will not debate me on the Trinity Doctrine or the Virgin Birth, has a myriad of EXCUSES not to answer your questions, says the Bible contradicts itself, and says that the Bible contradicts itself, and she is "AN ADMITTED SEXUAL DEVIANT!”


You do not have the intelligence to realize that your pre-school antics of "quack quack" are only "diversion tactics" to literally run away from my godly posts to you that continue to show your outright Bible stupidity! 

I am doing research on the case for the Historical Jesus. It defeats my purpose when BrotherD. turns Jesus into a blasphemous joke.

Eg. BrotherD. How does the Islamic view of Jesus compare with your blasphemous claims against Jesus?

BrotherD., Think carefully what you said, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

BrotherD. has repeated his blasphemous claims about Jesus in almost every post he directed at Shila.
Let’s get real.


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Stephen wrote: Like they always do Brother D. They result to smut when they run out of any serious argument.
The picture of BrotherD. is more suggestive than Shila’s description of  BrotherD. desperate intent.  The fact the picture is still there removes any justification for deleting Shila’s description of it.

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Whiteflame,

We thank you for lowering the boom upon Shila for actually making such a "smutty" post to me, especially in a Religion Forum! Don't worry, Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, saw what Shila did, and she will pay for it upon Judgment Day for sure, praise!

"Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account." (Hebrews 4:13)

I noticed he deleted my description but kept the picture which still shows what was described. Lol!!

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Shila, the fool of the Islamic faith,

YOUR STUPIDITY QUOTE REGARDING THE ISLAMIC FAITH, POST #416!!!: So although Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the son of God — a critically important distinction between Muslim and Christian views of him — Muslims do revere Jesus as an important prophet.

Shila, as if you weren't Bible stupid enough relative to the Christian faith, now you are STUPID of the Islamic faith as well!  ENOUGH outright misinformation from you at all times, ENOUGH!


Listen up Islamic fool Shila, how can the hell bound Muslims revere Jesus as God, when their Holy Writings state that their Allah is the only god, which contradicts the Christian view of Jesus being the only god (1 Timothy 2:5), get it fool?!

"There is no god but Allah, the Ever Living, the Eternal One. Neither slumber nor sleep overtakes Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. He is the Most Exalted, the Most Great. [The Holy Qur'an, Surah 2:255] 



Furthermore, you blatant ignorant pseudo-christian of the Islamic faith fool, again, how can the Muslims revere Jesus as God when their Qur'an states the following relative to Christianity, HELLO!:  

1. ”O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.” (Qur’an 5:51)  

2. "Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (Qur’an 9:29) 

3.  The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (Qur’an 9:30) 

4.  "Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an." (Qur’an 8:12)  This passage relates to Jews and Christians, GET IT?

5.  Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers.” (Qur’an 2:65-66)

6.  "Muslims must not take the infidels as friends." (Qur’an 3:28)   Who are the infidels Shila, YES, Christians and Jews, GET IT?

7.  "Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them." (Qur’an 47:4) Christians are the infidels!

8.  "Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies".  (Qur’an 22:19)  Who are the unbelievers of Islam, CHRISTIANS!


SHILA, GOD DAMN IT, YOU ARE SO STUPID OF OTHER RELIGIONS AS WELL AS CHRISTIANITY, WHERE NOW YOU ARE TURNING YOUR UNGODLY THREAD INTO UNCONTROLLABLE LAUGHTER AT YOUR EXPENSE! WAY TO GO SHILA, WHAT'S NEXT?  LOL!!!  
How does the Islamic view of Jesus compare with your blasphemous claims against Jesus?

BrotherD., Think carefully what you said, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.

BrotherD., You  have  only finished high school and your career highest income is less than 20,000$? You are 56 years old. Learn to show respect.

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I’ve gone ahead and deleted the post in question. Shila, this will serve a formal warning against posting stuff like this. There won’t be another if it happens again
Why did you delete my post but still left the picture that I linked it to?
Are you saying a graphic display is acceptable but not a worded description?
Remember I am new here and see all kinds of insults thrown at women’s genitalia , but nothing is done about it.
Should I be reporting them to get your attention?
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Covid-19 was a plandemic lab leak
Trump tried to blame China for the Coronavirus. But we now know Trump tried to suppress news about Covid in America because he was told it would hurt his re-election.
Trump did everything to blame China for the cause of Covid starting with the Wuhan lab leak. But even the WHO team sent to investigate the Covid source did not find any evidence linking Covid to China or the Wuhan lab.
China has not ruled out America is the source of the coronavirus and the numbers don’t lie.
America still ranks first in Covid cases and deaths. It is still the epicentre of the disease. Note both ex and current president caught Covid. Case closed!!
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Umm no. I am a 11th grade High school student and I plan on going to a top 30 university
Does that mean you are not a talented mathematician as your earlier post advised?

You posted, “I definitely do not recommend a naturally talented mathematician into a professional liberal arts college.”

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High employment can absorb inflation better than low employment which leads to a recession.
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with Elon Musk acquiring twitter. It will be difficult to regulate social media.

With Trump media and Truth Social dropping in stock value, there will be little need to control fake news.
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The Bible is available in Esperanto so Christians will not be affected by the language change.
But I can see Atheists protesting. Having the site bombarded with protest over language will be no different than the current protests against religion.
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Brain Fog is a side effect of IT and social media addiction.

Prove me wrong.


Probably a global conspiracy masterminded by Elon Musk.
You are here, that is proof enough.

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Continuing with the case of the Historical Jesus.

Islamic view ofJesus.

Here are six things you may not know about the role of Jesus — and his mother, Mary — in Islam:

Jesus, Mary, and the angel Gabriel are all prominent characters in the Qur’an (as are Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and a bunch of other Bible characters).

Muslims believe that Jesus (called “Isa” in Arabic) was a prophet of God and was born to a virgin (Mary). They also believe he will return to Earth before the Day of Judgment to restore justice and defeat al-Masih ad-Dajjal, or “the false messiah” — also known as the Antichrist. All of this may sound pretty familiar to many Christians. (The fact that Muslims know that “al-Masih ad-Dajjal” is the Arabic name for the Antichrist created some...uh...unexpected problems for Netflix recently — warning: spoilers.)

Mary (called “Maryam” in Arabic) has an entire chapter in the Qur’an named for her — the only chapter in the Qur’an named for a female figure. In fact, Mary is the only woman to be mentioned by name in the entire Qur’an. As noted in the Study Quran, “other female figures are identified only by their relation to others, such as the wife of Adam and the mother of Moses, or by their title, such as the Queen of Sheba.” Mary is mentioned more times in the Qur’an than in the entire New Testament of the Bible.

Just as they do with all the other prophets, including Mohammed, devout Muslims recite “peace be upon him” after every time they refer to Jesus by name.

Muslims believe that Jesus performed miracles: The Qur’an discusses several of Jesus’s miracles, including giving sight to the blind, healing lepers, raising the dead, and breathing life into clay birds.

The story of Jesus’s birth as told in the Qur’an is also the story of his first miracle, when he spoke as an infant in the cradle and declared himself to be a prophet of God. 

So although Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the son of God — a critically important distinction between Muslim and Christian views of him — Muslims do revere Jesus as an important prophet.
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I've never really paid 'much attention to what church says on the subject,
But arguments against it, can fit into science easy enough I'd figure,
Not that I'm saying people should or should not.

People are partially formed of their experiences,
Some experiences are habit forming,

Experiences being what they are, forming of character,
It's not a crazy argument that looking and thinking about smut, can leave an imprint on a person's mind,
Greater the time or impact, greater the impression, one would suppose.

. . .

That being said, people are also formed of themselves, their material, genetics, set habits,
People vary in libido,
Probably easy for low libido to avoid,
Hard for high, to avoid.

Some habits like beer, easier to avoid, never start,
But harder to avoid ever starting an 'idea, being born with the parts as humans are.

. . .

Still, I doubt that the 'only way to control it, is to use it,
Though might be that works for some people,

To me it'd seem more likely that using it, increases it,
Habits like rivers, cut deeper a channel, more they flow
By the time you give all your reasons for masturbating you will be done. So what did you learn from all this self analysis? 

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Americans were given handouts for staying at home because of Covid. With so many Americans dying from Covid the handout reserves grew bigger. So the stay at home policy was extended.
There is a higher chance of catching Covid staying indoors. So the handouts are working as intended. More Americans are staying at home and dying from Covid.
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"Is College Worth It"

I definitely do not recommend a naturally talented mathematician into a professional liberal arts college.
You did the right thing and quit after high school. A higher education would be a waste on you.

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GDP rose to 2.6%. That is after 2 quarters of negative growth. Recession might be avoided.

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How does America joining the Global Internet Censorship Committee advance it’s freedom rights when it is banning books in schools and libraries? American leads in the cancel culture. This move might simply be one to exert its influence on the Global Internet.
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The Muslim logic behind throat slitting.
Muslims believe cutting the foreskin around the head of the penis (circumcision) will cause the penis to behave.
Applying the same logic slitting a persons throat which is just below a persons head will also cause the infidel to behave.
- I gotta admit, I laughed when I first read this. This is new sh*t I ain't seen before. Genuinely clever. I was gunna respond, but I'll let you have this one. Until next time.
Muslim men in Iran go through great effort to cut their foreskin so that their dick  head is exposed. But want their women to cover their head with a hijab or face the morality police. The women in Iran are protesting this double standard and public shaming.
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Well that didn't take too much effort Brother D. 👍
Neither did this, Stephen!!

Stephen, Help your troubled and mentally ill BrotherD.

BrotherD., Think carefully what you said, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.

BrotherD., You  have  only finished high school and your career highest income is less than 20,000$? You are 56 years old. Learn to show respect.
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I agree both Stephen and BrotherD. don’t  have anything to contribute. But they complement each other.
Why does BrotherD. hate women so much? Maybe if DebateArt gets busy, the mods won’t put up with their nonsense.
I will heed your warning and avoid the likes of Harikrish. Odd that someone with a Indian name had so much to say about the Bible.
Did my case for the Historical Jesus feel complete? I am working on how Catholics see Jesus. I got help from Rosends to give a view of Jesus in the Talmud/Torah.
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BrotherD., How is a Shila inferior to you when you have just finished high school and your career highest income is less than 20,000$? You are 56 years old. Learn to show respect.

BrotherD., Think carefully what you said, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.


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“The Scriptures” are the words written in the Holy Bible. The Gospel referred to Jesus Christ and the apostles’ teachings. 
(2 Timothy 3:16) was written by Paul. Therefore it is not scriptures but apostle teachings.

Gospels are Jesus Christ’s teachings or revelations. They recount Jesus’ life, ministry, crucifixion, and resurrection. It is primarily about Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection. It is therefore a biography of Jesus.

BrotherD. You suffer from an inferiority complex because  of your low education and low income of less than 20,000$ annually. That is less than what most women make.

How Jesus Viewed and Valued Women

Jesus's Countercultural View of Women

The place of women in the first-century Roman world and in Judaism has been well-documented and set forth in several recent books.1 Most frequently, women were regarded as second-class citizens.

Jesus’s regard for women was much different from that of his contemporaries. Evans terms Jesus’s approach to women as “revolutionary” for his era.2 But was his treatment of women out of character with Old Testament revelation, or with later New Testament practice? Other chapters in this volume will show that it was not.

Disciples Come in Two Sexes, Male and Female

For Christ, women have an intrinsic value equal to that of men. Jesus said, “. . . at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’” (Matt. 19:4; cf. Gen. 1:27). Women are created in the image of God just as men are. Like men, they have self-awareness, personal freedom, a measure of self-determination, and personal responsibility for their actions.

Scanzoni and Hardesty point out that “Jesus came to earth not primarily as a male but as a person. He treated women not primarily as females but as human beings.”3 Jesus recognized women as fellow human beings. Disciples come in two sexes, male and female. Females are seen by Jesus as genuine persons, not simply as the objects of male desire.4 Hurley believes “the foundation-stone of Jesus’s attitude toward women was his vision of them as persons to whom and for whom he had come. He did not perceive them primarily in terms of their sex, age, or marital status; he seems to have considered them in terms of their relation (or lack of one) to God.”5

Three Clear Examples

Examples of this even-handed treatment of women by Jesus are found in the four Gospels.

First, Jesus regularly addressed women directly while in public. This was unusual for a man to do (John 4:27). The disciples were amazed to see Jesus talking with the Samaritan woman at the well of Sychar (John 4:7-26). He also spoke freely with the woman taken in adultery (John 8:10–11).6 Luke, who gives ample attention to women in his Gospel, notes that Jesus spoke publicly with the widow of Nain (Luke 7:12–13), the woman with the bleeding disorder (Luke 8:48; cf. Matt. 9:22; Mark 5:34), and a woman who called to him from a crowd (Luke 11:27–28). Similarly, Jesus addressed a woman bent over for eighteen years (Luke 13:12) and a group of women on the route to the cross (Luke 23:27-31).

A second aspect of Jesus’s regard for the full intrinsic value of women is seen in how he spoke to the women he addressed. He spoke in a thoughtful, caring manner. Each synoptic writer records Jesus addressing the woman with the bleeding disorder tenderly as “daughter” (references above) and referring to the bent woman as a “daughter of Abraham” (Luke 13:16). Bloesch infers that “Jesus called the Jewish women ‘daughters of Abraham’ (Luke 13:16), thereby according them a spiritual status equal to that of men.”7

Third, Jesus did not gloss over sin in the lives of the women he met. He held women personally responsible for their own sin as seen in his dealings with the woman at the well (John 4:16–18), the woman taken in adultery (John 8:10–11), and the sinful woman who anointed his feet (Luke 7:44–50). Their sin was not condoned, but confronted. Each had the personal freedom and a measure of self-determination to deal with the issues of sin, repentance, and forgiveness.

Jesus's Valuation of Women Today

Even though clear role distinction is seen in Christ’s choice of the apostles and in the exclusive type of work they were given to perform, no barriers need exist between a believer and the Lord Jesus Christ, regardless of gender. Jesus demonstrated only the highest regard for women, in both his life and teaching. He recognized the intrinsic equality of men and women, and continually showed the worth and dignity of women as persons. Jesus valued their fellowship, prayers, service, financial support, testimony and witness. He honored women, taught women, and ministered to women in thoughtful ways.

As a result, women responded warmly to Jesus’s ministry. Have things changed too drastically today for us to see this same Jesus? Not at all. Modern women can find the same rich fulfillment in serving Christ as did the Marys and Marthas of Judea, or the Joannas and Susannas of Galilee.

BrotherD., Think carefully what you said, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.


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Sidewalker  sorry I got you mixed up with Stephen.

Jesus in the Talmud.
Excerpts from Rabbi Rosends link.

Bastard.
The Accusation
Insults Against Blessed Mary, Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
"Jesus was a bastard born of adultery." (Yebamoth 49b, p.324). 
"Mary was a whore: Jesus (Balaam) was an evil man." (Sanhedrin 106a &b, p.725). 
"Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress". (Shabbath 104b, p.504).
R. Shimon ben Azzai said: I found a book of geneologies in Jerusalem and in it is written "The man Plony is a bastard."

Balaam
R. Yochanan said (regarding Balaam): In the beginning a prophet, in the end a sorcerer. 
Rav Papa said: As people say, "She was the descendant of princes and rulers, she played the harlot with carpenters."

The Accusation
Gloats over Jesus Dying Young, A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died:
"Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."

The passage
A sectarian said to R. Chanina: Do you know how old Balaam was?  [R. Chanina] replied: It is not written.  However, since it says (Psalms 55:24) "Men of bloodshed and deceit will not live out half their days..." he was 33 or 34.  [The heretic] said: You said well.  I have seen the chronicle of Balaam and it said "At 33 years Balaam the lame was killed by Pinchas (Phineas) the robber."

Sifrei on Deuteronomy 34:10 
"Never again did there arise in Israel a prophet like Moses" - But in other nations there did arise.  Who? Balaam the son of Beor.  But there is a difference between Moses's prophecy and Balaam's prophecy.
Moses did not know who spoke to him but Balaam knew who spoke to him, as it says (Numbers 24:16) "The words of the one who hears the sayings of G-d..."

Moses did not know when G-d would speak to him until he was spoken to but Balaam knew when He would speak, as it says (ibid.) "Who knows the knowledge of the Supreme One..."

With Moses, G-d would not speak to him until he was standing, as it says (Deuteronomy 5:28) "But as for you, stand here with Me..."  But with Balaam, G-d would speak to him even while fallen, as it says (Numbers 24:4) "Who sees the vision of the Almighty, while fallen with uncovered eyes."

Avot DeRabbi Natan 2:5 
Why is Job called (Job 1:8) "A perfect and upright man"?  To teach us that he was born circumcised.  Adam was also born circumcised as it says (Genesis 1:27) "So G-d created man in His image..."  Seth was also born circumcised as it says (ibid. 5:2 ) "He begot in his likeness and his image..."  Noah was also born circumcised... Shem was also born circumcised...  Jacob was also born circumcised...  Joseph was also born circumcised...  Moses was also born circumcised...  Even the wicked Balaam was born circumcised...  Samuel was also born circumcised...  David was also born circumcised...  Jeremiah was also born circumcised...  Zerubabel was also born circumcised...

Talmud Sanhedrin 106a 
Numbers (24:14) "Come, I shall advise you..."  Rabbi Abba bar Kahana said:  [Balaam] said to them: Their G-d hates promiscuity and they desire flaxen clothes.  Let me give you this advice.  Make tents and put old prostitutes in front of them and young ones inside...  When the Jews are walking in the market, the old lady offers to sell them clothes at market value and the young one offers it cheaper.  After two or three times she tells him that he is already a comfortable visitor and should choose what he wants, all the while a bottle of Amonite wine sitting beside her.  She offers him a glass of wine.  After he drinks it will burn him up and he will ask for sex.  She will take out her idol and demand that he worship it first.  He will say that he is a Jew and she will say that all she is asking is that he defecate [and he will not know that this is the worship of that idol].  She will also say that she will not sleep with him until he denounces the Torah of Moses.

Mishnah Avot 5:19 

Whosoever possesses these three qualities belongs to the disciples of Abraham our father: a generous eye, a humble spirit, and a meek soul.  But he who possesses the three opposite qualities -- an evil eye, a proud spirit, and a haughty soul -- is of the disciples of Balaam the wicked.

How do the disciples of Abraham differ from the disciples of Balaam? The disciples of Abraham enjoy this world and inherit the world to come, as it is written (Proverbs 8:21) "Endowing with wealth those who love me, and filling their treasuries." The disciples of Balaam inherit Gehenna and go down to the pit of destruction, as it is written (Psalm 55:23) "But you, O G-d, will cast them down into the lowest pit; the bloodthirsty and treacherous shall not live out half their days. But I will trust in you."

Professor Louis Ginzberg, "Some Observations on the Attitude of the Synagogue Towards the Apocalyptic-Eschatological Writings", Journal of Biblical Literature (1922), p. 121 n. 18

One may therefore state with absolute certainty that the entire Talmudic-Midrashic literature does not know of any nicknames for Jesus or his disciples.

John P. Meier, A Marginal Jew (1991), vol. 1 p. 95

For instance, a radical position is represented by Johann Maier, who maintains that not only the Mishna but also both Talmuds lack any authentic, direct mention of Jesus of Nazareth41...

In my opinion, Maier's arguments are especially convincing for the Mishna and other early rabbinic material: no text cited from that period really refers to Jesus.  He thus confirms the view I defend in this section.

41 See Johann Maier, Jesus von Nazareth in der talmudischen Uberlieferung (Ertrage der Forschung 82; Darmstadt: Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft, 1978).  His position, which is argued in minute detail throughout the volume, is summarized on pp. 263-75.

The Accusation
Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."

The Text
[Onkelos Bar Kalonikus] called up Balaam from the dead.  [Onkelos] asked: Who is honored in that world?  [Balaam] replied: Israel. [Onkelos asked:] What about joining them?  [Balaam] replied: (Deut. 23:7) "You shall not seek their peace or welfare all your days."  [Onkelos] asked: What is your punishment?  [Balaam answered]: In boiling semen.

[Onkelos] called up Yeshu from the dead.  [Onkelos] asked: Who is honored in that world?  [Yeshu] replied: Israel.  [Onkelos asked:] What about joining them?  [Yeshu] replied: Seek their good.  Do not seek their bad.  Whoever touches them is as if he touched the pupil of his eye.  [Onkelos] asked: What is your punishment?  [Yeshu answered]: In boiling excrement.  As the mast said: Whoever mocks the words of the sages in punished in boiling excrement.

All of the Yeshu references you are listing were about people who lived in different decades or a different century, as you acknowledged in your previous post under "conclusion", it's unlikely that the Jesus of Christianity is mentioned anywhere in the Talmud.

Every historical author mentioned , Biblical or otherwise, were  themselves Jews, it's unlikely that any of them held "the Jews" to be responsible for "deicide" of the Christ, this anti-semitic concept came from a much later time and sentiment.

Granted, Jews do not accept Jesus to be their Messiah of prophecy, but that is because he did not possess the expected qualifications of the Jewish Messiah, the Christian hostility associated with that fact came about centruies later and is generally not reciprocated by Jews.

There are no anti-Semitic concepts in the Torah or Talmud. 

Torah definition:  (in Judaism) the law of God as revealed to Moses and recorded in the first five books of the Hebrew scriptures (the Pentateuch).

Talmud definition: the body of Jewish civil and ceremonial law and legend comprising the Mishnah and the Gemara. There are two versions of the Talmud: the Babylonian Talmud (which dates from the 5th century AD but includes earlier material) and the earlier Palestinian or Jerusalem Talmud.

The post is about;

Jesus in the Talmud.
Excerpts from Rabbi Rosends link.

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Deuteronomy was written somewhere between 700 and 1400 years before Jesus was born dumbass.
Tradesecret thinks BrotherD.is a Christian from Kentucky. We should have been warned.

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BrotherD., How is a Shila inferior to you when you have just finished high school and your career highest income is less than 20,000$? You are 56 years old. Learn to show respect.

BrotherD., Think carefully what you said, “ I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which you are obviously unaware of because of your complete Bible stupidity! Our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

Now try to justify your blasphemous claims against Jesus.


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TO THE MEMBERSHIP:

Poor Shila stepped in the proverbial poo again with her ungodly quote of: "BrotherD., Thank you for sharing your views about Jesus which is in stark contrast to the Bible verses you quoted which simple acknowledge a jealous God."

Yes, Jesus relates to a Jealous God concept, to the point where Shila forgot to mention that Jesus is so jealous, that He wants us to MURDER anyone that tries to make us change gods:  

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, BUT KILL HIM. Your hand shall be the first raised to SLAY HIM; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall STONE HIM TO DEATH, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)


Then Christians have to ask themselves, with Jesus wanting us to MURDER in the passage above, is He still considered to be ever loving and forgiving, NO HE IS NOT!  But, just watch the Bible fool Shila run from this fact, just watch! LOL!
You don’t read too well.
It has already been stated Jesus was not mentioned in the Torah.
Here you are a attributing (Deuteronomy 13:7-12) which is part of the Torah to Jesus. Why don’t you try reading before you post?


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Stephen, I noticed you have shared your views about Jesus.

Here is one that you found made very little sense to you.

Jesus was terrified of what was to come.

And his payers and plea’s went unheard and ignored and unanswered by his “father”. He lost his faith and wanted no part of what can only be seen a pre-planned moronic plot.
Luke 22:41-42 New King James Version (NKJV)
41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42 saying, “Father, if it is Your Will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.”

Matthew tells us  of Jesus making his request of the Father twice: "Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, 'My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken away from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will'"(Matthew 26:39) and "He went away a second time and prayed, 'My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done'" (Matt. 26:42).

This man was obviously absolutely terrified of what he was about to face we have to ask, did he bargained for this, did he not understand the scripture or the script. Did he not know that all of this mission was leading up to a sacrifice, his own sacrifice?

We can only conclude that he didn’t have a clue that this was how it was all supposed to end.

Mark attempts to put positive spin his prayer "'Abba, Father,' he said, 'everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will"(Mark 14:36).
But the non response and total silence from his “father” are the same: a complete and utter refusal to even recognise the absolute peril his “only son” was in.

It seems only his so called “father” could excuse him of this savage and brutal commitment. Had this Jewish mission been intended to go this far; for this young man to be “scourged& nailed to beams of wood, & speared in the ribs.

If this was the “will of the father” then who would want such a savage indifferent being for a father?  And it shouldn’t go unnoticed that   not only did  god, the “father” ignore and refused to answer the pleadings and  prayers of this poor young man but was so indifferent to his ONLY SON’s  pleading and begging to be released from this contract that he couldn’t be bothered to show up himself  to comfort his only son who had “sweated blood” out of sheer fear,  but sent a messenger to say ‘there there, have faith, everything will be alright in three days time.

Like all of these gospels, this story simply does not make a single piece of  sense.

Here is another link claiming lucifer is Jesus.

I have created one or two threads concerning Satan/Lucifer. In one of those threads it was seen to have been strongly suggested that Lucifer was also know as the light bringing "morning start". #2 and some biblical scholars seem to agree.https://www.history.com/topics/folklore/history-of-the-devil

It was also suggested in the link below that  Lucifer was the "serpent" who tempted Eve AKA Satan and Devil and the same is referred to as "“the ancient serpent” (Revelation 12:9, 20:2)


So all of these titles appear  all to be  references to the same being. And this verse is believed by Christians to be a reference to Lucifer and all his titles :Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!


I am sure that this will be vehemently denied by Christians as referring to Satan  aka Lucifer and all his other epithets.

  And for one simple reason. Jesus (their god) also calls himself;

"  the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.” (Revelation 22:16)…

Could it really be that Lucifer is just another name for Jesus of which he had many.? We are never allowed to forget that  Jesus was with god from the beginning, as was  Lucifer Satan /devil serpent, where he was also known as the Word. John 1

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@BrotherD.Thomas

Since I am the ONLY TRUE Christian within this Forum, I have to accept the following biblical axioms relative to my serial killer Jesus the Christ!

THE BIBLE STATES THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD IN JESUS:  “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” (1 Timothy 2:5) 

JESUS IS GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS: “And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces and said, “The Lord, he is God; the Lord, he is God.” (1 Kings 18:39)

PETER SAYS JESUS IS GOD: Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours.”


JESUS BEING GOD IS SHOWN TO BE A WEAK “CONTROL FREAK” THOUGH HIM BEING JEALOUS! :(

"For you shall worship no other god, For the Lord, Whose name is Jealous, Is a jealous God.”( Exodus 34:14)

You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me.” (Exodus 20:5)

For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.” (Deuteronomy 4:24)

For the Lord your God in your midst is a jealous God—lest the anger of the Lord your God be kindled against you, and he destroy you from off the face of the earth.” (Deuteronomy 6:15)

The Lord is a jealous and avenging God; the Lord is avenging and wrathful; the Lord takes vengeance on his adversaries and keeps wrath for his enemies.” (Nahum 1:2)

Therefore, I am NOT blaspheming Jesus because I have described Jesus' true historical modus operandi within the scriptures in Jesus being Yahweh God incarnate, of which are the following biblical axioms, to wit:  Jesus is shown to be jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!

MOST IMPORTANTLY, JESUS SAYS TO MURDER UNBELIEVERS OF HIS FAITH:

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, BUT KILL HIM. Your hand shall be the first raised to SLAY HIM; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall STONE HIM TO DEATH, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)


Pseudo-Christians, can we still proffer that Jesus is all loving and forgiving?  NOT!!!  :(
BrotherD., Thank you for sharing your views about Jesus which is in stark contrast to the Bible verses you quoted which simple acknowledge a jealous God.

Since I could not find Jesus described in either the Torah or Talmud as blasphemously as you have as a true modern Christian from Kentucky. I am considering adding it as a Christian from Kentucky view of Jesus before I add what Catholics have to say about Jesus.
I should also mention your neighbor’s 2nd grader named “Tommy” who helps your with your scriptures, even though you already thanked Tommy in your earlier post by saying, “Thank you Tommy, like I promised to you, I’ll give you a big Mickey D’s credit card for you and your sister.”


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@Best.Korea
I masturbated 2-3 times per day on average, which lasted 1-2 hours per day.

It was too much time, and it started to affect everything. Everything became boring to me.

I was able to stop, mostly thanks to voice apps and overuse of sound therapy apps.
It will be interesting to hear Kim Jung-un ordering Koreans like you to stop masturbating.

jawi geuman!!! Best.Korea.

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