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@Stephen
An empty tomb is only evidence that a tomb was found to be empty. Nothing you have produced proves anything at all.Sorry to burst your bubble but resurrection is nothing more than an initiation ritual into one sect or another.
Again read what is being posted. There were eyewitness accounts testifying to the appearances of the risen Jesus to those who knew him.
The reason people came to believe in the resurrection is because of the appearances of the risen Jesus to those who knew him. Significantly, there are so many accounts of Jesus’s appearances to his disciples that we do not have the space to even quote them all here, much less discuss them.24 Instead, I’ll just summarize the evidence in the form of a list.
The Appearances of the Resurrected Jesus
1. Jesus appears to Mary Magdalene
(Matthew 28:1-10; John 20:14-18)
2. Jesus appears to several female disciples
(Matthew 28:1-10; Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24:1-11)
3. Jesus appears to Simon Peter
(Luke 24:34; 1 Corinthians 15:5; John 21:1-24)
4. Jesus appears to James, John, Thomas, Nathanael, and two others
(John 21:1-24)
5. Jesus appears to the eleven disciples as a group
(Matthew 28:16-20; John 20:19-29)
6. Jesus appears to Cleopas and one unnamed disciple
(Luke 24:13-35)
7. Jesus appears to more than five hundred “brothers” at once
(1 Corinthians 15:6)
8. Jesus appears to James (a.k.a. “the Lord’s brother”)
(1 Corinthians 15:7; compare Galatians 2:19)
“9. Jesus appears to Saul of Tarsus (a.k.a. Paul)
(1 Corinthians 15:8)”
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It is highly likely that god would appear in the country where he is most needed like North Korea which is drowning under world sanctions and a dictator.
It is also highly likely good would be driven out of a country like a North Korea because the people have grown Skeptical of hope and promises even by god.
But it would be extremely selfish and self serving to welcome this same very god that has failed in his mission to save North Korea.
Wait, we have examples of this very same thing happening in the Bible.
Jesus was sent only to save the Jews and today the North Koreans.
Matthews 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
The Jews were slaughtered, they temple and holy city destroyed by the Romans in 70AD.
The world forgot all that and embraced Jesus as their saviour.
Are we doing the same here as North Korea flounders.
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The best explanation for soul is still what Shila offered.
Soul is the energy trapped in a man’s body.
Biblical evidence.
Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Scientific evidence.
In physics, energy (from Ancient Greek: ἐνέργεια, enérgeia, “activity”) is the quantitative property that is transferred to a body or to a physical system, recognizable in the performance of work and in the form of heat and light.
Since energy can neither be created or destroyed. The soul exists as energy.
The law of conservation of energy states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed - only converted from one form of energy to another.
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--> @ShilaYour quote "As our survey shows, only one percent of the population doesn't like ice cream – but of those who enjoy it, only 45 percent eat it regularly without concern," said Amit Pandhi." isn't even from your link? And directly contradicts the 7% you and the link are saying.
People love god but they don’t go to church every day just like people love ice cream but they don’t eat it everyday. Call it Human nature.
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@Tradesecret
-->@BrotherD.ThomasIs the bible contradicting?Why don't you go and ask your master. I notice he has joined the site recently under the name of best.korea.He seems almost as "quacky" as you.Both of you seem determined to be the biggest fraud and fake on this site.
Best Korea is a satirical nickname given to North Korea under the humorous assumption that it is the better of the two divided nations on the Korean ...
The North Korean god has surfaced. We are still waiting for the South Korean gods to enter the ring.
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@Stephen
--> @Shila--> @ShilaIn the Christian religion, the Resurrection is Jesus Christ's return to life on the third day after his death,Yes. I am sure all the indoctrinated from birth Christians believe that pathetic drivel. But it nothing more than an initiation ritual.If resurrection was just an initiation ritual, why is it unique to Christianity ?Why do you not research the subject instead of simply regurgitating what you have been brainwashed into regurgitating?Not a single person witnessed a three-day old rotten stinking corpse rise from a stone-cold slab.
You should read and think more before posting.
“These passages below demolish any argument that the first Christians—whether Jew or Gentile—believed in the resurrection of Jesus because they were particularly gullible. Once again, ancient people knew full well that ordinarily dead people stay dead.17 So if the fact of the resurrection was such a hard pill for so many people to swallow, why then did the disciples come to believe it? The Gospels describe three major reasons they believed.
First, the disciples came to believe in the resurrection of Jesus because of the empty tomb.18 As Bart Ehrman writes: “All of our sources agree that Jesus was dead and buried, and that on the third day his tomb was empty.”19 Ehrman is entirely correct. All four of the first-century Gospels tell us that on the Sunday of Passover week, the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathea had laid Jesus’s body was empty (see Matthew 28:1-8; Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24:1-12; John 20:1-10). Perhaps the most striking eyewitness account of the discovery of the empty tomb is from the Gospel of John:
“Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. So she ran, and went to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.” Peter then came out with the other disciple, and they went toward the tomb. They both ran, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first; and stooping to look in, he saw the linen cloths lying there, but he did not go in. Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; he saw the linen cloths lying, and the napkin, which had been on his head, not lying with the linen cloths but rolled up in a place by itself. Then the other disciple, who reached the tomb first, also went in, and he saw and believed; for as yet they did not know the scripture, that he must rise from the dead. Then the disciples went back to their homes.(John 20:1-10)
The reason people came to believe in the resurrection is because of the appearances of the risen Jesus to those who knew him. Significantly, there are so many accounts of Jesus’s appearances to his disciples that we do not have the space to even quote them all here, much less discuss them.24 Instead, I’ll just summarize the evidence in the form of a list.
The Appearances of the Resurrected Jesus
1. Jesus appears to Mary Magdalene
(Matthew 28:1-10; John 20:14-18)
2. Jesus appears to several female disciples
(Matthew 28:1-10; Mark 16:1-8; Luke 24:1-11)
3. Jesus appears to Simon Peter
(Luke 24:34; 1 Corinthians 15:5; John 21:1-24)
4. Jesus appears to James, John, Thomas, Nathanael, and two others
(John 21:1-24)
5. Jesus appears to the eleven disciples as a group
(Matthew 28:16-20; John 20:19-29)
6. Jesus appears to Cleopas and one unnamed disciple
(Luke 24:13-35)
7. Jesus appears to more than five hundred “brothers” at once
(1 Corinthians 15:6)
8. Jesus appears to James (a.k.a. “the Lord’s brother”)
(1 Corinthians 15:7; compare Galatians 2:19)
“9. Jesus appears to Saul of Tarsus (a.k.a. Paul)
(1 Corinthians 15:8)”
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@Yassine
-> @ShilaMuslims wanting to destroy their opponents is hardly new or radical.- This is a debate website. It's literally meant for destroying opponents. Ain't nothing Muslim about it.Now Muslims trying something different instead might be one for the record. Is it because Islam is reaching equality with Christianity in numbers, so slitting the throats of infidels is less necessary?- You are projecting. Not because you do it, then everyone else must do it too.
The Muslim logic behind throat slitting.
Muslims believe cutting the foreskin around the head of the penis (circumcision) will cause the penis to behave.
Applying the same logic slitting a persons throat which is just below a persons head will also cause the infidel to behave.
But when you look at the millions of Muslim refugees fleeing their country. One might ask why Muslims are okay with circumcision but slit the throats of infidels because they want only infidels to behave . It’s a double standard.
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@Stephen
--> @ShilaIn the Christian religion, the Resurrection is Jesus Christ's return to life on the third day after his death,Yes. I am sure all the indoctrinated from birth Christians believe that pathetic drivel. But it nothing more than an initiation ritual.
If resurrection was just an initiation ritual, why is it unique to Christianity ?
“What the Resurrection Is.
What then does the resurrection mean? Let’s turn to the Gospel accounts and look at three points that are essential for understanding what the disciples were actually claiming when they said that Jesus had been “raised from the dead.”
“First, the resurrected Jesus has a body. He is not a ghost. This is perhaps clearest in Luke’s account of Jesus’s appearance to the disciples in the Upper Room:
As they were saying this, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” But they were startled and frightened, and supposed that they saw a spirit. And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do questionings rise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see that I have.” And when he had said this he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate before them. (Luke 24:36-43)”
“Note well that the disciples’ first reaction is to assume that Jesus is a “spirit” (Greek pneuma). This shows us, for one thing, that they believed in ghosts! It also shows us that they were familiar with the idea of encountering the disembodied “spirit” of a dead person. In order to correct this misunderstanding, Jesus insists that he has “flesh and bones”—that is, that he has a real human body. And just in case the disciples have any doubts about the reality of his body, he asks them for something to eat! Although spirits might be able to do lots of things, because they lack bodies, sitting down to a nice meal of broiled fish is not one of them. There are few things more bodily than the act of eating.”
“Second, the resurrected Jesus has the same body that he had while he was alive. That’s why he still bears the wounds of the cross.13 Jesus implies as much when he shows his disciples “his hands and his feet” (Luke 24:40). The Gospel of John’s account of Jesus’s appearance to Thomas makes this explicit:
Now Thomas, one of the twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails, and place my finger in the mark of the nails, and place my hand in his side, I will not believe.” Eight days later, his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. The doors were shut, but Jesus came and stood among them, and said, “Peace be with you.” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side; do not be faithless, but believing.” “Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.” (John 20:24-29)
As this account makes very clear, the risen Jesus has not discarded his human body like an old garment. The crucifixion has literally left its marks on him, forever, but without conquering his life. Moreover, notice also that when Thomas is confronted with the reality of the resurrection, his response is an unequivocal affirmation of Jesus’s divinity: “My Lord and my God! (Greek ho kyrios mou kai ho theos mou)” (John 20:28).14 For Thomas, the resurrection of Jesus after his death vindicates the claims that Jesus made about his divinity during his life.”
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@Stephen
-> @Shila
“What the Resurrection Is:
It is a ancient ritual ceremony of 'rebirth ' into a following or sect.Nothing more nothing less.ritual/ˈrɪtʃʊəl/Learn to pronouncenoun
John 11:43 When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” 44 The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face.Jesus said to them, “Take off the grave clothes and let him go.”
In the Christian religion, the Resurrection is Jesus Christ's return to life on the third day after his death, or the return of all people to life at the end of the world.
The resurrection of Jesus.
“First, what did it mean for Jesus’s disciples to claim that he had been “raised” from the dead? Second, why is it that so many Jews in the first century AD believed that Jesus really was raised from the dead? According to the Acts of the Apostles, within a couple years after Jesus’s death, some “five thousand” Jews came to believe in his “resurrection” (see “Acts 4:1-4). What was it that convinced them that the tomb of Jesus really was empty on Easter Sunday? How do we explain the historical fact of early Christian belief in the resurrection?
”
“What the Resurrection Is
What then does the resurrection mean? Let’s turn to the Gospel accounts and look at three points that are essential for understanding what the disciples were actually claiming when they said that Jesus had been “raised from the dead.”
“First, the resurrected Jesus has a body. He is not a ghost. This is perhaps clearest in Luke’s account of Jesus’s appearance to the disciples in the Upper Room:
As they were saying this, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” But they were startled and frightened, and supposed that they saw a spirit. And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do questionings rise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see that I have.” And when he had said this he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate before them. (Luke 24:36-43)”
“Note well that the disciples’ first reaction is to assume that Jesus is a “spirit” (Greek pneuma). This shows us, for one thing, that they believed in ghosts! It also shows us that they were familiar with the idea of encountering the disembodied “spirit” of a dead person. In order to correct this misunderstanding, Jesus insists that he has “flesh and bones”—that is, that he has a real human body. And just in case the disciples have any doubts about the reality of his body, he asks them for something to eat! Although spirits might be able to do lots of things, because they lack bodies, sitting down to a nice meal of broiled fish is not one of them. There are few things more bodily than the act of eating.”
“Second, the resurrected Jesus has the same body that he had while he was alive. That’s why he still bears the wounds of the cross.13 Jesus implies as much when he shows his disciples “his hands and his feet” (Luke 24:40). The Gospel of John’s account of Jesus’s appearance to Thomas makes this explicit:
Now Thomas, one of the twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails, and place my finger in the mark of the nails, and place my hand in his side, I will not believe.” Eight days later, his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. The doors were shut, but Jesus came and stood among them, and said, “Peace be with you.” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side; do not be faithless, but believing.” “Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.” (John 20:24-29)
As this account makes very clear, the risen Jesus has not discarded his human body like an old garment. The crucifixion has literally left its marks on him, forever, but without conquering his life. Moreover, notice also that when Thomas is confronted with the reality of the resurrection, his response is an unequivocal affirmation of Jesus’s divinity: “My Lord and my God! (Greek ho kyrios mou kai ho theos mou)” (John 20:28).14 For Thomas, the resurrection of Jesus after his death vindicates the claims that Jesus made about his divinity during his life.”
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@ebuc
--> @Intelligence_06Please address the line of text you need assistance with. p is for prime numberUnderstand that post #3 is a corrective alternative to post #1. I found some issues with that scenario, that didnt fit with the 3D torus.There is a third option of the graviton-darkeon, that Ive not presented in this thread. The 2D lattice for 18 nodal events, and it is in post #3, I just dont explain that scenario/option. It is an option, because the 18 --like the 12--- is on the same line as the initiating nodal point 0. This means that in those two scenarios, they each come around to meet each other ---12/0 or a 18/0--- to created that specific great circle of the torus, having total of four great circles.When 12 or 18 meet zero they inherently are considered to share the same location/position-in-space.In so doing, the nodal account of 13 goes to 12 and the nodal accounting of 19 goes to 18. For these reasons laid out here and in post #3, ive considered the 15 to 14 nodal event to be incorrect, at least until I can understand a logical common sense way to integrate the leftover two nodes --16 and 17p--, into my spiral, dipolar invaginated, 3D torus.
You did not account for climate change. The numbers would be greatly inflated.
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@Intelligence_06
What are you expecting entering this topic? I don't know. Either way, let me explain.Heliocentrism isn't wrong, but inefficient: In that case, both the moon and the sun will orbit around the earth, while planets such as Jupiter and Saturn, with themselves many moons around them, are calculated to orbit a center that is closer to the sun than the earth. This would mean to calculate about Ganymede, you first have to calculate about the Sun's motion, then the motion of Jupiter, then Io. That is super inefficient. Instead of that, why don't we set the reference at the Sun?It is the old religious who fixed the reference at Earth and accepted nothing else, not Galileo nor Copernicus. Galileo, Copernicus, Kepler, etc... just provided new references that made calculation and observation more efficient.In reality, we technically can define the Earth's surface as flat and anything tangential to the Earth "above it". The problem becomes that if some object flys directly above the south pole, the position for that object on the "flat earth model" would teleport from one side to another. All constellations would be on one side of "earth", the other side being what is "underneath the Earth", which we will have a mantle and core as wide as the surface of Earth itself. We can just fold space enough so that the Earth's curvature matches the morphed space so the Earth is flat according to that system. In that case, the earth is flat.Due to astronomical, geological, geographical(continents in the South will be disproportionally enlarged), physical, and maybe even archaelogical inconvenience, we pretty much discard this model the moment it is being formed in one's mind. That is why this model wasn't being thought of before with great depths, hmm, I guess.
Are you aware today we have satellite images of planet earth and is very spherical. Before that it was logical to assume the earth was flat. But that is no longer the case. A picture tells a thousand words.
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@Tradesecret
Brother D and Stephen are the number one stalkers on this site. They are both fakes and frauds. They accuse others of being liars but never quite produce the proof. They provide little snippets of evidence but never the killer blow. Like most con artists they use a piece of fact and attempt to build up from there with speculation to try and sound like they know what they are talking.I am not perfect. Never have I claimed to be. But I am not a liar.
You have helped to clear some of the confusion and you know their situation better. But I will try to help where I can to reduce this animosity and try to create a more perfect union.
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@Sidewalker
--> @ShilaWhy do you keep feeding these trolls?
Romans 12:20. 'If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. ' No one is exempt from the call to feed the hungry, God calls us to meet the needs of even those we might call 'enemies'.
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Stephen, you and BrotherD. Only want to talk about Tradesecret.Stop it. You bring up the Reverend every chance you get.You have perpetuated all conversations about the reverend, on nearly ALL of your threads or threads that you have resurrected, when I have asked you continually to stick with your topic.Take it or leave it. A pastor and or chaplain are addressed as Reverend.How to Address a Pastor, Minister, Christian ClergyPastor With a Doctorate—-Envelope or address block on letter or email:—-—-The Reverend (Full Name)—-—-(Church)—-—-(Address) how to address a protestant minister—-Salutation: how to address a protestant minister—-—-Dear Dr. (Surname):Pastor Without a Doctorate—-Envelope or address block on letter or email:—-—-The Reverend (Full Name)—-—-(Church)Chaplains to the Armed Services
- The Reverend A B Smith RN (or CF or RAF)
- Padre, or Padre Smith
- The Padre, or Padre Smith
I don't care if you or the Reverend cannot accept these facts. But they are facts. If you don't want to be discussing the Reverend, then simply stop forcing the conversation in his direction and bringing him up every other post that you make.So get your thread back on course, unless all this is about the Reverend helping you distract from Brother D. making you look like a bible ignorant dunce.
All your post says is Tradesecret is a Reverend by any standards. You and BrotherD. actually believe he has earned that title. Or were you two fooled into calling him Reverend?
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The resurrection of Jesus.
“First, what did it mean for Jesus’s disciples to claim that he had been “raised” from the dead? Second, why is it that so many Jews in the first century AD believed that Jesus really was raised from the dead? According to the Acts of the Apostles, within a couple years after Jesus’s death, some “five thousand” Jews came to believe in his “resurrection” (see “Acts 4:1-4). What was it that convinced them that the tomb of Jesus really was empty on Easter Sunday? How do we explain the historical fact of early Christian belief in the resurrection?
”
“What the Resurrection Is
What then does the resurrection mean? Let’s turn to the Gospel accounts and look at three points that are essential for understanding what the disciples were actually claiming when they said that Jesus had been “raised from the dead.”
“First, the resurrected Jesus has a body. He is not a ghost. This is perhaps clearest in Luke’s account of Jesus’s appearance to the disciples in the Upper Room:
As they were saying this, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” But they were startled and frightened, and supposed that they saw a spirit. And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do questionings rise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see that I have.” And when he had said this he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate before them. (Luke 24:36-43)”
“Note well that the disciples’ first reaction is to assume that Jesus is a “spirit” (Greek pneuma). This shows us, for one thing, that they believed in ghosts! It also shows us that they were familiar with the idea of encountering the disembodied “spirit” of a dead person. In order to correct this misunderstanding, Jesus insists that he has “flesh and bones”—that is, that he has a real human body. And just in case the disciples have any doubts about the reality of his body, he asks them for something to eat! Although spirits might be able to do lots of things, because they lack bodies, sitting down to a nice meal of broiled fish is not one of them. There are few things more bodily than the act of eating.”
“Second, the resurrected Jesus has the same body that he had while he was alive. That’s why he still bears the wounds of the cross.13 Jesus implies as much when he shows his disciples “his hands and his feet” (Luke 24:40). The Gospel of John’s account of Jesus’s appearance to Thomas makes this explicit:
Now Thomas, one of the twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails, and place my finger in the mark of the nails, and place my hand in his side, I will not believe.” Eight days later, his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. The doors were shut, but Jesus came and stood among them, and said, “Peace be with you.” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side; do not be faithless, but believing.” “Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.” (John 20:24-29)
As this account makes very clear, the risen Jesus has not discarded his human body like an old garment. The crucifixion has literally left its marks on him, forever, but without conquering his life. Moreover, notice also that when Thomas is confronted with the reality of the resurrection, his response is an unequivocal affirmation of Jesus’s divinity: “My Lord and my God! (Greek ho kyrios mou kai ho theos mou)” (John 20:28).14 For Thomas, the resurrection of Jesus after his death vindicates the claims that Jesus made about his divinity during his life.”
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Besides the title one has to earn that respect to be called a Reverend.So you still insist on perpetuating lies on his behalf.he does not want to be called Reverend and prefers Pastor.But he is a Reverend. That is his title. He has claimed to be both a Pastor and a Chaplain to the military. Why are you denying facts?Or he is LYING and you are helping him perpetuate his lies.How to Address a Pastor, Minister, Christian ClergyPastor With a Doctorate—-Envelope or address block on letter or email:—-—-The Reverend (Full Name)—-—-(Church)—-—-(Address) how to address a protestant minister—-Salutation: how to address a protestant minister—-—-Dear Dr. (Surname):Pastor Without a Doctorate—-Envelope or address block on letter or email:—-—-The Reverend (Full Name)—-—-(Church)Chaplains to the Armed Services
- The Reverend A B Smith RN (or CF or RAF)
- Padre, or Padre Smith
- The Padre, or Padre Smith
Stephen, you and BrotherD. Only want to talk about Tradesecret. You have still not explained why you two call him Reverend which is a title of respect and at the same time attack him calling him a pervert. Is that some kind of love hate relationship you three have developed over the years?
Read what Tradesecret accused you and BrotherD. of.
Tradesecret: “Perhaps it might be worthwhile knowing that I have never said I was a reverend or asked to be called one. Infact Stephen lied about this as well - and when challenged, came up with nary a response. All his stalking left him with more egg on the face.
As for stalking, it is very clear Stephen is the no. 1 creepy stalker on this site. Brother is coming close as no. 2. “
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Shila weote: "Having established the case for the Historical Jesus. The question on everyone’s mind has to be why and how did the Historical Jesus die?"Brother D. Wrote:JESUS DIDN'T DIE BIBLE FOOL SHILA!DIE: to cease to live; undergo the complete and permanent cessation of all vital functions; become dead.Listen up Bible fool Shila, Jesus DID NOT remain dead, because He came back after a 3 day tomb nap and walked out as being flesh and blood, understood Bible fool, huh? In the real primitive bible sacrifices the individual or animal remained DEAD, which is a true meaningful sacrifice! Deduced, since our Jesus did not remain dead, he therefore did not die by remaining dead as the definition in how one dies shown above!Stephen: Interesting that the Christians close their eyes and stick their fingers in their ears when the obvious is pointed out to them, isn't it Brother D. ?There is also a very good case to be made that Jesus survived the cross and didn't die in any sense of the word.
That is why it is important to prove Jesus died and was resurrected. This makes Christianity unique among all religions. The death and resurrection of Jesus.
If Jesus didn’t die there is no proof of resurrection.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Brother D. Wrote:A factual and real sacrifice is that you remain DEAD, period, where one does NOT come back to life three days later! HELLO?! As an example, a true sacrifice is when USA soldiers remained dead after they gave their lives to protect the United States of America in WW2!Stephen: In a nut-shell, Btother D. 👍
Having established the case for the Historical Jesus. The question on everyone’s mind has to be why and how did the Historical Jesus die?
Jesus was crucified and he resurrected in three days just as he had predicted.
John 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”
Let us read “the words of Josephus, the first-century Jewish historian:
Let him that blasphemes God (Greek blasphēmēsas theon) be stoned, then hung for a day, and buried ignominiously and in obscurity. (Josephus, Antiquities, 4.202)20
In other words, when it comes to a case of blasphemy against God himself, execution alone is not enough. The offense requires crucifixion—being “hung” so that all can see the shame of the one who has dared to blaspheme God. Although under Rome it was not “lawful” for the Jewish leaders to put Jesus to death by stoning (John 18:31), they can still hand him over to be “hung” on a tree by the Romans. And that is what they do.”
In “Both the Synoptic Gospels and the Gospel of John testify to previous incidents when Jesus is accused of blasphemy during his public ministry:
And behold, some of the scribes said to themselves, “This man is blaspheming.” (Matthew 9:3)
Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, “Why does this man speak thus? It is blasphemy! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” (Mark 2:6-7)
[Jesus said:] “I and the Father are one.” The Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?” The Jews answered him, “We stone you for no good work but for blasphemy; because you, being a man, make yourself God.” (John 10:30-33)
These other charges of blasphemy are consistently ignored by those who claim that Jesus was condemned to death for speaking against the Temple.21 The reason: this evidence poses great difficulties for those who contend that Jesus never claimed to be God. And that is one reason why such an idea fails as a historical explanation. In order to work, it has to ignore “or dismiss key pieces of evidence.22 According to the Gospels, Jesus of Nazareth was accused of and, ultimately, condemned for blasphemy because of who he claimed to be.
By the way, the evidence that Jesus was condemned for blasphemy isn’t just in the Synoptic Gospels; it’s also in the Gospel of John.23 Although John’s Gospel does not contain an account of Jesus’s proclamation before Caiaphas, it does report that the chief priests and scribes publically accused Jesus of blasphemy on the day of his crucifixion:
So Jesus came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. Pilate said to them, “Here is the man!” When the chief priests and the officers saw him, they cried out, “Crucify him, crucify him!” “Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves and crucify him, for I find no crime in him.” The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and by that law he ought to die, because he has made himself the Son of God.” (John 19:5-7)
What is this law to which the chief priest and scribes are referring? It is the biblical law against blasphemy: “He who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall be put to death” (Leviticus 24:16).24 Thus, both the Synoptics and the Gospel of John agree that it is the charge of blasphemy that lands Jesus on the cross.
The evidence presented here suggests that the now popular idea that Jesus never claimed to be anything more than an ordinary human being totally fails to deal with the actual historical evidence. Jesus’s words and actions regarding the Temple might have got him hauled into the Jewish court, but it was what he said about himself that got him crucified.”
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Stephen, You two have known each other for over 4 years.I don't know him at all. I only know what he has volunteered about himself to this forum on the WWWYou two are lying. So which is it?You must have missed this what I already posted at #290 above and have repeated for you below. Try reading it, taking your time.Tradesecret wrote: Perhaps it might be worthwhile knowing that I have never said I was a reverend or asked to be called one. Infact Stephen lied about this as well - and when challenged, came up with nary a response.I have said it many times to you before REVEREND, you dulcet dunce. You must be the only Chaplain & Pastor in the whole world that doesn't know he's to be addressed as Reverend.Chaplains to the Armed Services
- The Reverend A B Smith RN (or CF or RAF). https://www.crockford.org.uk/faq/how-to-address-the-clergy
TRADESECRET WROTE:I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications. #20The title Reverend applies to Pastors too.TRADESECRET WROTE:But in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care.#20And is all you have ever done is deny that you are a Reverend.I keep telling you, you are very ill, Reverend.Shila wrote: drop the name Reverend out of respect for the Christian institution you belong to.Shila, He has no respect for anyone. He's a lying narcissist that I believe suffers from severe Munchausen's. The believability of lie and the fantasy are of no consequence to someone in his condition. SEE HERE>>#207He may not want to be called Reverend, but he is stuck with that title until he simply admits he is a compulsive pathological liar.You have been suckered into supporting these lying clowns lies and should know better. It makes you a worse liar then he is. You are more a disgrace than he ever will be..
Besides the title one has to earn that respect to be called a Reverend. It almost seems like you insist he be called Reverend even though he does not want to be called Reverend and prefers Pastor.
Stephen: He may not want to be called Reverend, but he is stuck with that title until he simply admits he is a compulsive pathological liar.
Knowingly calling a pervert Reverend is mocking the Christian institutions. That’s like calling a known pedophile Catholic Priest, Father.
I think you and BrotherD. are here to mock Jesus and Christian institutions that bear his name.
Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
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Shila, in being a woman, will be going to Hell upon her demise anyway, therefore her time here in going against God's word is all for naught,Addressing once again your Bible stupidity in your post #285;YOUR PITIFUL QUOTE IN CONTINUING TO SLAP JESUS IN THE FACE AS A WOMAN THAT IS NOT TO TEACH: "Having established the case for the Historical Jesus. The question on everyone’s mind has to be why and how did the Historical Jesus die?"JESUS DIDN'T DIE BIBLE FOOL SHILA!DIE: to cease to live; undergo the complete and permanent cessation of all vital functions; become dead.Listen up Bible fool Shila, Jesus DID NOT remain dead, because He came back after a 3 day tomb nap and walked out as being flesh and blood, understood Bible fool, huh? In the real primitive bible sacrifices the individual or animal remained DEAD, which is a true meaningful sacrifice! Deduced, since our Jesus did not remain dead, he therefore did not die by remaining dead as the definition in how one dies shown above!
Jesus did die, he was crucified and buried in a tomb.
A factual and real sacrifice is that you remain DEAD, period, where one does NOT come back to life three days later! HELLO?! As an example, a true sacrifice is when USA soldiers remained dead after they gave their lives to protect the United States of America in WW2!
The part of the Historical Jesus is called the Resurrection. Which I will cover next. One has to die first before one can be resurrected. Jesus died and 3 days later was resurrected.
SHILA the continued Bible fool, the question on everyone’s mind has to be when are you going to TRUTHFULLY show that our Jesus we worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!
Your view of Jesus is totally unacceptable.
I noticed you have repeatedly called Jesus a serial killer.
Here you added more to your list of blasphemous insults by saying the Jesus you worship as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!
The aforementioned biblical axioms about our Jesus as God of the Bible has been accepted by me as a true Christian upon this Religion Forum! Shila, do you accept the above facts about are Jesus as well, and if not, where do you get the authority to NOT accept them? Would you be to SCARED to discuss said facts about our Jesus?
You want Shila to discuss the facts about your jesus which you have been worshipping all your life and only now shared it with us.
Now I know the Jesus you worship, as the Serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, was embarrassingly, greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, and malevolent!
Any wonder you are such a mean spirited miserable old man. Look at how warped your mind has become with all the Bible slapping your received growing up.
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Stephen, you and BrotherD. Only want to talk about Tradesecret. You have still not explained why you two call him Reverend which is a title of respect and at the same time attack him calling him a pervert. Is that some kind of love hate relationship you three have developed over the years?
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Shila, the unsurpassed Bible fool here at DEBATEART Religion Forum,Addressing your Bible dumbfounded post #284,YOUR CONTINUED STUPIDITY IN CIRCULAR REASONING SHOWN ONCE AGAIN: "The Bible is not taught in junior grade public schools because of a ruling by the Supreme Court."HELLO?! Read in what Tommy said at your continued embarrassing expense, BIBLE DOOFUS WOMAN! Tommy quote: " .... even my 2nd graders in my Chistan skool can understand that jesus rote the bible, okay dumb ass girl, hehehehe …….? Get it? Huh? Tommy goes to a Christian school where the Bible is taught, now, wipe the egg from your Satanic face once again in front of the membership, Shila the Bible fool! LOL!
The Bible is not taught in junior grade public schools because of a ruling by the Supreme Court. But it appears Tommy learnt to lie as a 2nd grader.
What is a 56 year old BrotherD doing with a 2nd grader named Tommy should be of concern to mods.
YOUR CIRCULAR REASONING QUOTE ONCE AGAIN: "What is a 56 year old BrotherD doing with a 2nd grader named Tommy should be of concern to mods."Look at the low levels you have to go in response to myself making you the true Bible fool that you are! In alluding that there should be a concern with my neighbors boy in the 2nd grade. All you are doing, like Miss Tradesecret, is to propose a diversion tactic to take the lime-light off you you making a complete fool of yourself relating to the Bible! The ONLY CONCERN for the mods should be your outright Bible stupidity that gives this Religion Forum a bad name!!!!
It that how BrotherD. got to Tommy’s sister by bribing them with “a big Mickey D’s credit card for you and your sister.”
The rest of your Satanic diatribe in your pitiful post #284 is COPY AND PASTE from your previous posts to me in "trying" to defend your Satanic position, therefore since I proved you wrong previously, and to save you any further embarrassment, I will not respond to a continuous C&P ungodly rhetoric of yours!NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WOMAN THAT COPIES AND PASTED HER BIBLE STUPIDITY AGAIN, AND AGAIN, WILL BE ...?
Finally you introduced your neighbours children as your source for scriptures. Busted BrotherD!!!
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Stephen, You two have known each other for over 4 years. Yet Tradesecret denies he ever called himself Reverend. Yet you and BrotherD. Calls him Reverend. So either you and BrotherD. is showing Tradesecret respect by calling him Reverend or you two are lying. So which is it?
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@Lemming
In school I never did learn of the Australian Aboriginal massacres,But I did learn of the Native American deaths, loss of land,I'm from America.But even without an event being tied 'directly to one's own country,There is value in 'world history, other countries histories and events,'Lot of history I admit, but I'm not saying people can't find value elsewhere, or that they 'have to learn history, but I find it valuable, and so too others, I'd say.
Cancel culture suits you just fine. You were never interested in studies and stopped at high school.
You need to find your value elsewhere. History is about the past. Your uncertainty is your future.
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Inflation is self correcting. Once demand drops inflation will drop. But a recession leads to higher unemployment.
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@zedvictor4
--> @ShilaPerhaps I'm a clever rabbit
Nothing in your profile suggests you are human or a rabbit. All the identifiers are marked “unknown”.
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@Stephen
Shila wrote: drop the name Reverend out of respect for the Christian institution you belong to.Shila, He has no respect for anyone. He's a lying narcissist that I believe suffers from severe Munchausen's. The believability of lie and the fantasy are of no consequence, to someone in his condition. SEE HERE>>#207He may not want to be called Reverend, but he is stuck with that title until he simply admits he is a compulsive pathological liar.You have been suckered into supporting this lying clowns lies and should know better. It makes you a worse liar then he is. You are more a disgrace than he ever will be..
Tradesecret makes a distinction between Pastor which he admitted he was and Reverend that he never said he was a reverend or asked to be called one.
To the average person a Pastor and Reverend are both members of the clergy.
But according to Tradesecret a Pastor is a lower title than Reverend. And he wishes to be seen as the lower of the two.
The title Reverend is commonly used in the following Religious faiths; Anglican, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, and Presbyterian. Jump to Reverend vs Pastor:
The title Pastor is commonly used in the following Religious faiths; Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, and Presbyterian.
Please sort this out with him so we don’t give him more credit than he deserves.
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Tradesecret posted: Perhaps it might be worthwhile knowing that I have never said I was a reverend or asked to be called one. Infact Stephen lied about this as well - and when challenged, came up with nary a response. All his stalking left him with more egg on the face.As for stalking, it is very clear Stephen is the no. 1 creepy stalker on this site. Brother is coming close as no. 2--> @ShilaThank you for admitting you are not a Reverend. I will no longer address you as that and will continue to demand you are more humanely treated despite your condition. But my primary goal is to defend the Historical Jesus and the Christian institutions that bear his name.I am neither admitting nor denying anything in relation to what or who I am. I have a name on this site and that is how I wish to be addressed. namely: Tradesecret. Thanks for your courtesy in this regard. I just repeat I have never requested or asked to be called reverend.In respect to the historical Jesus, why is it necessary to defend what is clearly in the OT and the NT? I believe it was Charles Spurgeon who indicated there was no reason to defend a lion.As for the Christian Institutions whom bear his name, are you prepared to defend each and every one of them or just a select few?It does sound like an honourable task - and I wish you all the best.
Luke 14:27 And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.
You never said you are a reverend. But you did say all the other depraved things Stephen and BrotherD. accuse you of being. You can’t be a reverend and pervert but here you are making that possible by admitting “that I have never said I was a reverend or asked to be called one.”
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@sadolite
Your conclusion makes sense, but with that said the new theory is we all live in a simulation so flat or round really doesn't matter. Assuming of course one believes we live in a simulation. I think we live in a upside down ass backward retard world so I am leaning towards simulation. My life wont change if the earth is flat or round. But in a simulation, that's a whole other story.
If we live in a simulation then God must be controlling the simulation. Why he picked you to live in a upside down ass backward retard world should not be difficult to guess. God figured, Your life wont change if the earth is flat or round. But in a simulation, that's a whole other story.
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--> @ShilaThe pastor had plenty to say, you jsut didn’t listen. No surprise.Bye, bot.
The Pastor is not a medical examiner, nor was he at the scene of the crime. He is just a commentator hardly qualified to make a judgement. Being black makes him even less qualified.
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@sadolite
Floyd was dead long before he died. His actual death was just a formality.
The video shows George Floyd was very much alive and even cried out “I can’t breathe” more than 20 times while his neck was still pinned under Chauvin knee. The jury rule Chauvin was guilty of murdering George Floyd.
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--> @TWS1405This isn’t the lengthy documentary. It’s a 55 min breakdown by a black pastor giving an unbiased perspective on the case.From a comment below your link:"Also in the film the room mates said they never heard from Floyd's family and nobody ever came by to pick up some of his belongings. Think about that for a second".Seems ole' Georges' life mattered to everyone but those directly connected to him
They were all too scared to go back to the same police station to pickup George Floyd’s belongings after seeing what the officers had done to George.
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--> @ShilaNow if you also add to stephen’s list what BrotherD. had to say about you, Reverend you need some serious help. You might even need to get all that eastern religion flushed out of your system to help you start anew.Or even temporarily drop the name Reverend out of respect for the Christian institution you belong to.Perhaps it might be worthwhile knowing that I have never said I was a reverend or asked to be called one. Infact Stephen lied about this as well - and when challenged, came up with nary a response. All his stalking left him with more egg on the face.As for stalking, it is very clear Stephen is the no. 1 creepy stalker on this site. Brother is coming close as no. 2
Thank you for admitting you are not a Reverend. I will no longer address you as that and will continue to demand you are more humanely treated despite your condition. But my primary goal is to defend the Historical Jesus and the Christian institutions that bear his name.
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--> @ShilaNo it didn’t. No more than it did on the Oj trial(s).Until you watch the linked you tube video giving unbiased feedback by a black pastor regarding the fact based truths Candace Owens uncovered, I won’t respond to you any further. You’re nothing but a broken record and I simply won’t beat that dead horse…never again.
The Black Pastor openly admits he didn’t know what to say after watching the video. But the all white jury found Chauvin guilty of murdering George Floyd. Remember the jury was picked to judge the case. The black pastor is just a commentator. Even the white judge awarded the Floyd family 27 million in compensation.
Black pastors are racist. Remember Jeremiah Wright?
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--> @ShilaAs I said.Such is human expectation.
Nothing in your profile suggests you are human. All the identifiers are marked “unknown”.
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--> @Best.Koreaislam is very good. Maybe move to islam.- Then I'll come join you.
I thought Muslims followed the God of Abraham. Here you are joining a Korean God.
Muslims believe that Allah is the same God worshipped by the members of the Abrahamic religions that preceded Islam, i.e. Judaism and Christianity.
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It did in the case of George Floyd. Even an all white jury found a white police officer guilty of murdering George Floyd a black man much to the chagrin of white racists following the case. You appear to have followed George Floyd’s case and side with the white racists.
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Having established the case for the Historical Jesus. The question on everyone’s mind has to be why and how did the Historical Jesus die?
Let us read “the words of Josephus, the first-century Jewish historian:
Let him that blasphemes God (Greek blasphēmēsas theon) be stoned, then hung for a day, and buried ignominiously and in obscurity. (Josephus, Antiquities, 4.202)20
In other words, when it comes to a case of blasphemy against God himself, execution alone is not enough. The offense requires crucifixion—being “hung” so that all can see the shame of the one who has dared to blaspheme God. Although under Rome it was not “lawful” for the Jewish leaders to put Jesus to death by stoning (John 18:31), they can still hand him over to be “hung” on a tree by the Romans. And that is what they do.”
In “Both the Synoptic Gospels and the Gospel of John testify to previous incidents when Jesus is accused of blasphemy during his public ministry:
And behold, some of the scribes said to themselves, “This man is blaspheming.” (Matthew 9:3)
Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, “Why does this man speak thus? It is blasphemy! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” (Mark 2:6-7)
[Jesus said:] “I and the Father are one.” The Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?” The Jews answered him, “We stone you for no good work but for blasphemy; because you, being a man, make yourself God.” (John 10:30-33)
These other charges of blasphemy are consistently ignored by those who claim that Jesus was condemned to death for speaking against the Temple.21 The reason: this evidence poses great difficulties for those who contend that Jesus never claimed to be God. And that is one reason why such an idea fails as a historical explanation. In order to work, it has to ignore “or dismiss key pieces of evidence.22 According to the Gospels, Jesus of Nazareth was accused of and, ultimately, condemned for blasphemy because of who he claimed to be.
By the way, the evidence that Jesus was condemned for blasphemy isn’t just in the Synoptic Gospels; it’s also in the Gospel of John.23 Although John’s Gospel does not contain an account of Jesus’s proclamation before Caiaphas, it does report that the chief priests and scribes publically accused Jesus of blasphemy on the day of his crucifixion:
So Jesus came out, wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. Pilate said to them, “Here is the man!” When the chief priests and the officers saw him, they cried out, “Crucify him, crucify him!” “Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves and crucify him, for I find no crime in him.” The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and by that law he ought to die, because he has made himself the Son of God.” (John 19:5-7)
What is this law to which the chief priest and scribes are referring? It is the biblical law against blasphemy: “He who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall be put to death” (Leviticus 24:16).24 Thus, both the Synoptics and the Gospel of John agree that it is the charge of blasphemy that lands Jesus on the cross.
The evidence presented here suggests that the now popular idea that Jesus never claimed to be anything more than an ordinary human being totally fails to deal with the actual historical evidence. Jesus’s words and actions regarding the Temple might have got him hauled into the Jewish court, but it was what he said about himself that got him crucified.”
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@BrotherD.Thomas
.SHILA, the blatant Bible fool of this Religion Forum,As we can all see, you’re overdosing on your “Bible Stupid Pills®️" again relating to you just don't understand that Jesus wrote the Bible through inspiration to the actual Bible writers!” Therefore, I have gotten my neighbor’s 2nd grader named “Tommy” for him to try and get though your kindergarten mentality relative to Jesus actually writing the Bible! You can thank me later.
The Bible is not taught in junior grade public schools because of a ruling by the Supreme Court. But it appears Tommy learnt to lie as a 2nd grader.
What is a 56 year old BrotherD doing with a 2nd grader named Tommy should be of concern to mods.
Hi doofus Shila, my name is Tommy & Brother D. has asked me to tri and get thru your preskool mentality in u sayin that jesus didn’t wrote the bible, ok? …… even my 2nd graders in my Chistan skool can understand that jesus rote the bible, okay dumb ass girl, hehehehe …….?
Jesus never wrote a Gospel or any part of the Bible even though the Gospels tell us he could read and write.
The only thing Jesus ever wrote was a message to a woman in the sand once.
John 8:But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
lisin, hear hows it goes, reedy? as the d-man has shown u in the followin bible verse and others, the writers of the bible, I repet, the righters of the bible thanked jesus as god all the time, that wen his followers receved hIs word that u herd from them, u accepted it not as the word of the bible writters, butt as what it reely was, which was the worrdS of god, where jesus is god! get it bible dumb-ass Shila?
The Jews wanted to stone Jesus for teaching blasphemy.
John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
The Jews went even further and demanded Jesus be crucified.
Luke 23:21 But they kept shouting, “Crucify him! Crucify him!”
Not a very inspirational outcome for Jesus.
“And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13)using the verce above, thier4, the bible writters in behalff of Jesuss every word rote the bible thru jesuss "inspiration" to them as the passage in questin abuv shos, wher doing simplee math, jesus there4 wrotte the bible, get it?! ……. 2+2-=4, oil and watter dont mix, & if u cant underrstand this simple bible explaanation then u are dumber than tradesecret ,,,!Another verce is "ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, ...(2 Timothy 3:16).... who is god? CORRECTO, it is Jesus, praise! There4, thru Jesuss inspiration to the Bible riters, they rote down every word of his inspiration, there4, JESUS ROTE THE BIBLE, get it u 2nd class dummy woman?Bruther D, how do u put up with such bible stuped woman like Shila......?
The Jews wanted to stone Jesus for teaching blasphemy.
John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
The Jews went even further and demanded Jesus be crucified.
Luke 23:21 But they kept shouting, “Crucify him! Crucify him!”
Not a very inspirational outcome for Jesus.
Thank you Tommy, like I promised to you, I’ll give you a big Mickey D’s credit card for you and your sister, thank you for trying to get through to one of DEBATEART’s most dumbfounded pseudo-christian women that this forum as ever seen, bar none!
It that how BrotherD. got to Tommy’s sister by bribing them with “a big Mickey D’s credit card for you and your sister.”
NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN DUMBFOUNDED OF THE BIBLE WOMAN LIKE "SHILA" THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE IN ITS SYNTACTICAL SENTENCE STRUCTURING, WILL BE ...?
Finally you introduced your neighbours children as your source for scriptures. Busted BrotherD!!!
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SHILA, that allegedly has a Bacholor's Degree that her parents paid for which is all for naught as shown with her stupid bible posts,YOUR BIBLE DUMBFOUNDED QUOTE AGAIN: "Paul/Saul wrote Timothy. Jesus asked Paul to stop persecuting him in a vision Paul had on the road to Damascus. Can’t you find someone better to quote?""ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD” (2 TIMOTHY 3:16), that includes the book of Timothy, get it? And, it is irrelevant what Jesus asked Paul regarding the topic at hand that you RUN AWAY from, you blatant Bible stupid woman! THINK, All, and I repeat, ALL scripture was INSPIRED BY JESUS AS OUR SERIAL KILLER YAHWEH GOD INCARNATE! Therefore, Jesus didn't literally write the Bible you Bible inept fool, but the Bible writers did it for Him through His inspiration, THEREFORE JESUS DID WRITE THE BIBLE!!!! CASE CLOSED!!!Now, as shown time and time again, you are still going against Jesus' direct inspired words!1. You are a hell bound woman!2. As a woman you are not following 1 Timothy 2:11-14 where it explicitly says that you are NOT to teach or to exercise authority over the superior man, rather you as a woman are to STFU, period! UNDERSTOOD?!“Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." (1 Timothy 2:11-14)”Therefore, AGAIN, EVERY Post in your ungodly and ever so wanting Satanic thread is going against Jesus' INSPIRED WORDS in 1 Timothy 2:11-14 written by the Bible writers through Jesus' every word inspiration, you Bible idiot!Shila, tell you what, I am going to ask my neighbor's little 2nd grader Christian to try and approach your kindergarten mentality to try and get this ever so simple proposition that Jesus wrote the Bible, okay? You can thank me later.
When one is quoting scriptures like Timothy and Proverbs one should know who said it.
But at the least one should know who said it.
BrotherD. keeps quoting Paul who never met Jesus during his ministry. Then he quotes Proverbs which was written by Solomon. All the time claiming they were inspired by Jesus. Solomon was from 970 to 930 BCE.
In our example.
Who wrote most of the Proverbs in the Bible?
Proverbs 1–9: "Proverbs of Solomon, Son of David, King of Israel" Proverbs 10–22:16: "Proverbs of Solomon"
Proverbs was written by Solomon around 970 to 930 BCE.
Paul/Saul wrote Timothy. Jesus asked Paul to stop persecuting him in a vision Paul had on the road to Damascus. Can’t you find someone better to quote?
Acts 9:4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
Could Jesus have inspired Proverbs or Timothy?
Jesus never wrote a Gospel or any part of the Bible even though the Gospels tell us he could read and write.
The only thing Jesus ever wrote was a message to a woman in the sand once.
John 8:But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
You are dealing with a scripturally ignorant BrotherD.
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@Stephen
Stephen England doesn’t have a prime minister. British PM Liz Truss resigned, remember?So the Reverent might be right. The only PM in the commonwealth is Australian.Do you post simply for the sake om posting?ffs! stop it. He got caught cold lying again.The only PM in the commonwealth is Australian.Then I finally have to agree with the Brother. You are as thick as the Reverend tradsecret.There are many commonwealths PM's you absolute bone head.Don't bother responding to me if you are going to defend this lying fkr just to stir the shite.He's a liar that has, like all liars eventually are, been caught cold AGAIN and you are attempting to justify his lies with more lies.
Reverend is from Australia. The Reverend would know better how the Commonwealth works than some American.
UK is exiting the EU (BREXIT), the British PM Luz Truss reigned. So the Reverent might be right. The only PM in the commonwealth is Australian.
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Shila has presented the case for the Historical Jesus.
The next step is to determine who and what Jesus was to the Jews of his time and his ascension into modernity.
“Who do you say that I am.”
“ Peter’s ability to recognize and accept the unfathomable mystery of the God of the universe becoming a human being in the person of Jesus of Nazareth is a gift of grace. Now, Peter’s confession of faith in the divine sonship of Jesus is not contrary to his human intellect. After all, Peter witnesses lots of events that point to Jesus’s unique identity, such as the walking on water, the stilling of the storm, and the Transfiguration. In the end, however, according to Jesus, Peter is only able to believe the incomprehensible mystery that Jesus is really “the Son of” “the living God” because God himself reveals it to him. As the apostle Paul would later put it: “No one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except by the Holy Spirit” (1 Corinthians 12:3).
The same thing, I would suggest, is true for us today. I can give you all the historical arguments for how we got the Gospels, all the reasons we should believe they go back to the apostles and their disciples. I can give you all the historical evidence for concluding that Jesus of Nazareth claimed to be the long-awaited Jewish Messiah, the heavenly Son of Man, and the divine Son of God. I can do all these things—and I’ve tried to do them to the best of my ability. But there is one thing I can’t do. I can’t answer the ultimate question—the question of whether Jesus of Nazareth was in fact God. That is a question you have to answer for yourself.
“At least, that’s what Jesus seems to have thought. For today, as in the first century, there are lots of opinions about who the man from Nazareth really was. Apparently, it has always been that way, and it probably always will be. But the question Jesus poses to his disciples—the question of his identity—abides. It does not pass away. Despite the almost two thousand years that have transpired since the writing of the Gospels, Jesus’s words to Simon Peter at Caesarea Philippi echo down through the centuries, inviting each and every one of us to encounter him as a real historical person and to answer the question he once asked a lowly fisherman from Galilee: “But who do you say that I am?”
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--> @ShilaThe experts lied.The family being given free money was a PC PR stunt.You clearly haven’t watched Candace’s movie where she interviewed an unbiased ACTUAL expert who proved the trial was a sham and the media steered it all in that direction.I will debate this case until the cows come home and pigs fly, because next to BLM being the biggest lie ever sold, this case was the second biggest lie driving BLM all the way to the bank and million dollar mansions.
Jury in Floyd killing federal trial appears mostly white.
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--> @ShilaInflation was caused by a shortage in the supply line due to Ukraine war, Covid caused shutdowns both in China and US and demand was growing. The stimulus also made plenty of cash available to consumers that drove the demand and price higher than expected. Hence the inflation.I agree. I think the demand-side is probably a bit more important, since nominal GDP continues to grow very fast (if it were largely supply-side, real GDP growth would fall, and nominal GDP wouldn’t be growing much faster than trend).
Now we might be heading for a recession because of the higher interest rates imposed by the Federal Reserves to combat inflation. We need a new economic theory.
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@TWS1405
If you believe Chauvin killed Floyd as the left claims, then you need to prove that the level of Fentanyl in his system, mixed with Meth and other co trolled substances, had absolutely nothing to do with Floyd’s respiratory distress, enlarged heart, and erratic behavior during his lawful arrest. .
The case was tried in court with all the medical and video evidence presented to both sides to determine cause of death. It was ruled George Floyd died by asphyxiation and not from Fentanyl and the Floyd family was awarded 27 million in compensation. Chauvin was found guilty and sent to jail to serve a 20 year sentence.
Case closed.
Debating the case here is ridiculous. The experts already had their day in court and a verdict was passed.
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- and ended up like our recently deposed English PM - a short lived poor career.So your Australian PM is English, is he? 🤣No, our PM is very Australian.Yet Australia is part of the Commonwealth so I am quite entitled to view every PM in the commonwealth as ours..Stop talking bollocks. You have your own Pm and we in England have our own.Just admit it, you got caught cold LYING AGAIN!🤣
Stephen England doesn’t have a prime minister. British PM Liz Truss resigned, remember?
So the Reverent might be right. The only PM in the commonwealth is Australian.
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@Tradesecret
Yes exactly, post 251 is my post.And in post 253 I was noting that Stephen's response in post 252 confirmed everything I said about him in post 251. Nothing in Post 252 by Stephen is true per se. In fact it is a pack of lies. Yet the manner and style and emotion of his message in post 252 as a totality confirmed what I was saying about him in post 251. And he did not let me down.He did exactly what I said he would. Predictable as they come, is Stephen our own local stalker.
post #252
Shila, Stephen lives in a delusional la la land where everyone else is delusional.
Stephens response to Tradesecret below:
“Nope. Just you.
I have said it before Reverend tadesecret. Your self centred personality is only overshadowed by your self-delusion which borders on the pathological. When faced with facts that don't suit you, you will ignore them and make up alternative ones. Of course, the sycophantic fawning you used to receive from some here did go a long way to feed your over inflated ego. That of course has subsided immensely since I exposed you for what you are.
Individuals such as you with narcissistic personality problems don't respond well to criticism. This comes about simply because you believed your own BS.
Having seen and read much haughty self-aggrandizing but ineffectual praises of yourself written by yourself your jumbled up mind can’t decide fantasy from reality.
Individuals like you with narcissistic personality disorders do not respond well when their illusions of personal superiority are challenged and will adopt the role of victim having had their over inflated sense of personal worth and power challenged and then shattered.
The believability of the fantasy seems to be of no consequence. All that seems to count is whether the tall tale helps him rebuild the facade of his perceived greatness while just struggling to be relevant.
Individuals such as you "tradey" with narcissistic personality disorders (NPD) often do not care who they manipulate and lie to or how much harm it may cause by lying.
Of prime importance to NPD suffers is their self-aggrandizement and the propping up of their fragile egos, not the wellbeing of their fellow men and women. .
Off you go now. There's a good lad.”
It might have been necessary to stalk you to get all the information about you that he managed to get and post here.
Now if you also add to stephen’s list what BrotherD. had to say about you, Reverend you need some serious help. You might even need to get all that eastern religion flushed out of your system to help you start anew.
Or even temporarily drop the name Reverend out of respect for the Christian institution you belong to.
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-> @Shila-->@Stephen--> @Shilamisogynist he [Brother D.] is.Well arn't you the one that says the bible should be taken literally?But at the least one should know who said it.One does know who said it. It was you.
When one is quoting scriptures like Timothy and Proverbs one should know who said it.
But at the least one should know who said it.
BrotherD. keeps quoting Paul who never met Jesus during his ministry. Then he quotes Proverbs which was written by Solomon. All the time claiming they were inspired by Jesus. Solomon was from 970 to 930 BCE.
In our example.
Who wrote most of the Proverbs in the Bible?
Proverbs 1–9: "Proverbs of Solomon, Son of David, King of Israel" Proverbs 10–22:16: "Proverbs of Solomon"
Proverbs was written by Solomon around 970 to 930 BCE.
Paul/Saul wrote Timothy. Jesus asked Paul to stop persecuting him in a vision Paul had on the road to Damascus. Can’t you find someone better to quote?
Acts 9:4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
Jesus never wrote a Gospel or any part of the Bible even though the Gospels tell us he could read and write.
The only thing Jesus ever wrote was a message to a woman in the sand once.
John 8:But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
You are dealing with a scripturally ignorant BrotherD.
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--> @ShilaShila, as Bible dumbfounded as Miss Tradesecret,YOUR QUOTE IN POST #268 IN SAYING JESUS' INSPIRED WORDS ARE LIES AND WHERE JESUS DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE!: "You are quoting scriptures that Jesus did not write or inspire.""ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD” (2 TIMOTHY 3:16).
Paul/Saul wrote Timothy. Jesus asked Paul to stop persecuting him in a vision Paul had on the road to Damascus. Can’t you find someone better to quote?
Acts 9:4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
Shila, what part of the passage above don't you understand, bible dumb ass! Who is God again? YES, Jesus the Christ, so you fail once again in your Satanic quote above! Therefore, Jesus did not write the Bible literally, but through His inspiration to the Bible writers that did, THEREFORE JESUS DID WRITE THE BIBLE, understood Bible fool?
You are quoting scriptures that Jesus did not write or inspire.
Jesus never wrote a Gospel or any part of the Bible even though the Gospels tell us he could read and write.
The only thing Jesus ever wrote was a message to a woman in the sand once.
John 8:But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
You are scripturally ignorant BrotherD.
God damn, you are miserably Bible stupid at all costs! You will definitely go down in this DEBATEART Religion Forum's history as one of the most dumbfounded pseudo-christian women that it has ever seen!!!
You are so much lesser educated than Shila and earn a fraction of what Shila earns. Why do you continue to deny you are so much more inferior than Shila a woman?
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@Tradesecret
-->@ShilaStephen confirmed everything I said - in post 251.
Post #251 was your post.
You posted, “ Shila, Stephen lives in a delusional la la land where everyone else is delusional and attacks him but where he never does anything wrong.
He doesn't see insulting, refuting, arguing, using ad hominem arguments, gee pretty much everything as "attacking".
It would be nice if Stephen gave us an example of what an attack is - since he is the only one on this site who knows what an "attack" is.
But don't hold your breath. Just wait for the non-attacking replies that Stephen will send our way - all for our own good.”
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--> @Shilamisogynist he [Brother D.] is.Well arn't you the one that says the bible should be taken literally?
But at the least one should know who said it.
BrotherD. keeps quoting Paul who never met Jesus during his ministry. Then he quotes Proverbs which was written by Solomon. All the time claiming they were inspired by Jesus. Solomon was from 970 to 930 BCE.
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