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@Public-Choice
Ben Shapiro's argument is it is always a human, not that it has potential to become one:This is a point that more than 90% of biologists assert is true. It is also backed by the fact that a baby in the womb meets all the biological determiners for life: growth, metabolism, reproduction, and response to stimuli. [1]The biggest flaw in abortionists' reasoning is this: they make arbitrary, unscientific claims for when a human being becomes a human being.Show me a science textbook that says a human being is only a human being when it is born? Or what about a biological study that proves pre-birth humans are not human beings.Tell me where geneticists have found that pre-birth humans do not have the requisite genetic makeup for being a human being?Tell me where biologists have proven that a pre-birth human is not alive in the womb?Genetically and biologically it is a human being. No amount of personal feelings can change that fact.SOURCES:
Men should not make decisions for women about abortions unless they are also capable of getting pregnant and carrying a fetus. Till then it is pure hypocrisy.
The last thing on a woman’s mind before deciding on an abortion is what a biologist thinks.
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@Uragirimono
I was a pro-life Christian.I am no longer pro-life nor Christian.
After you lost your faith you also became anti pro-life. So you are an abortionist by spite.
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@zedvictor4
--> @ShilaData transfer and formative conditioning can easily perpetuate a myth. Especially when there's wealth and power up for grabs.Who and what Jesus actually was, is not known. As things stand, he is just a character from hand-me-down Middle Eastern tales.Two billion people are easily be trained to bleat like sheep
If one looks at your profile. More was known about Jesus than you know about yourself.
Jesus belonged to a country, spoke Aramaic , was a carpenters son, followed Judaism, religious reformer,
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@3RU7AL
so, FUNCTIONALLY each person needs to figure out FOR THEMSELVES what they believe is "right" and what is "wrong" ?
If you are a Christian the Bible teaches you what is right and wrong.
If you are educated you can turn to moral philosophy. Moral philosophy is the branch of philosophy that contemplates what is right and wrong. It explores the nature of morality and examines how people should live their lives in relation to others.
But for most others like you needs to figure out FOR THEMSELVES what they believe is "right" and what is "wrong" ?
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@Stephen
Nope. There was no insurrection at that point in time. This insurrection had already happened, and this is what they were all on trial for. The bible clearly states that there HAD been an insurrection- past tense. And that Barabas was one of those that had committed insurrection "WITH HIM", Jesus.
Barabbas, a well-known criminal who had been imprisoned “for an insurrection in the city, and for murder” (Luke 23:19). But he was not as popular as Jesus. Therefore less of a threat to the Romans.
Matthew 21:9 The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted, “Hosanna to the Son of David!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!” “Hosanna in the highest heaven!”
Jesus did not know Barabbas. Jesus was a Jewish religious reformer not an insurrectionist.
And like I have pointed out; it is hardly likely that Pontius Pilate would have released Jesus Barrabas a known murderer of Roman's. you need to read your bible carefully. And stop reading something that isn't even there.
Barabbas, in the New Testament, a prisoner mentioned in all four Gospels who was chosen by the crowd, over Jesus Christ, to be released by Pontius Pilate in a customary pardon before the feast of Passover.
Matthew 27:26: Then he released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified.
I have said my theory is that the turning of the tables was a lot more than just a girly hissy fit thrown by Jesus. I believe it was a full-blown rebellion. And it was this that had forced the Romans hand and led to the arrest of all involved to the delight of many of Jewish the high priesthood.
Jesus was definitely a threat to the Jewish high priesthood because he called them brood of vipers.
In Matthew 12:34, Jesus proclaims, "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks."
First Jewish Revolt, (AD 66–70), Jewish rebellion against Roman rule in Judaea. The First Jewish Revolt was the result of a long series of clashes in which small groups of Jews offered sporadic resistance to the Romans, who in turn responded with severe countermeasures. In the fall of AD 66 the Jews combined in revolt, expelled the Romans from Jerusalem, and overwhelmed in the pass of Beth-Horon a Roman punitive force under Gallus, the imperial legate in Syria. A revolutionary government was then set up and extended its influence throughout the whole country. Vespasian was dispatched by the Roman emperor Nero to crush the rebellion. He was joined by Titus, and together the Roman armies entered Galilee, where the historian Josephus headed the Jewish forces. Josephus’ army was confronted by that of Vespasian and fled. After the fall of the fortress of Jatapata, Josephus gave himself up, and the Roman forces swept the country. On the 9th of the month of Av (August 29) in AD 70, Jerusalem fell; the Temple was burned, and the Jewish state collapsed, although the fortress of Masada was not conquered by the Roman general Flavius Silva until April 73
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@ahiyah
--> @TWS1405= "I know you are, but what am I" childish banality.Meaning, you have no intelligent rebuttal
- You haven't offered any intelligent arguments, instead just relying on opinion and then repeating that same opinion over, and over again.
- You're too arrogant and too stupid for anyone to have a constructive and reasonable discussion with.
- Several people have brought valid arguments, thoughts, and responses to this post, but because you're so narrow and seemingly incapable of critical thought, all you can do is dismiss them.
- It is YOU who routinely uses insults and ad hominem attacks. This is to the extent that even the OP included blatant and childish attacks along the lines of "these people don't advocate my view on this matter, so they are stupid".
- In addition to that, you use extremely repetitive and poorly applied retorts.
Can you grasp that, or is it another "false equivalency fallacy"?
Does he make the case why abortions are absolutely necessary to prevent more repetitive and poorly applied retorts?
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@Greyparrot
You could also choose to own a slave in the past. Just because it was done once in the past does not make it moral. In fact, every progressive's position relies on the very fact of evolving morality.
It was never legal or moral to abort slaves. Roe V. Wade was passed way after slavery was abolished.
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The default winner should be PRO if nobody votes.
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@sadolite
die fucking cunt
You are cursing body parts you don’t have. Do you suffer cunt envy?
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@bmdrocks21
--> @oromagiYou may have given me much to reflect on, based on a cursory glance of the info
The real test is finding a mermaid.
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Polytheist _Witch: At this point I don't believe you're American.You post paragraphs of shit but you have no idea that people pay tax on certain things. Well there's another indication who you actually are.
The purchase of goods for further manufacture or for resale is uniformly exempt from sales tax. Most jurisdictions exempt food sold in grocery stores, prescription medications, and many agricultural supplies. Sales taxes, including those imposed by local governments, are generally administered at the state level.
"Thirteen of the 45 states with a sales tax still impose it on groceries."
State policymakers looking to make their tax codes more equitable should consider eliminating the sales taxes families pay on groceries if they haven’t already done so, or at least reducing these taxes or partially offsetting them through a tax credit.[1] Thirteen of the 45 states with a sales tax still impose it on groceries. (See Figure 1.) Of those, ten offer a lower tax rate for groceries than the general sales tax rate or provide a tax credit to offset some or all of the sales tax on groceries. Only Alabama, Mississippi, and South Dakota still tax groceries at the full state sales tax rate.
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@Best.Korea
--> @ShilaUSA didnt. So thats 330 million people.
Regulation of corporal punishment in public and private schools is done at the state level. There is no federal policy regarding corporal punishment in schools.[35] In 1977, the Supreme Court of the United States found that the Eighth Amendment clause prohibiting "cruel and unusual punishments" did not apply to school students, and that teachers could punish children without parental permission.[34]
The ban of corporal punishment use even at schools has still yet to be achieved in the USA. In 2022 not all 50 states made the practice unlawful. Since the 1970s, 31 states and the District of Columbia have banned corporal punishment in public schools, though in some of these there is no explicit prohibition. Corporal punishment is also unlawful in private schools in Iowa and New Jersey. In the remaining 19 U.S. states there was not any ban, and corporal punishment is lawful in both public and private schools.
Can a parent go to jail for hitting a child?
Repeatedly using force against you or another child for discipline or correction could amount to domestic violence. If the police charge them, they may be convicted of the crime if they are found guilty.
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A women's right to choose was legal for 50 years. If it was moral then, there is no reason why it is not moral today. So essentially the banning of Rove V. Wade was political and not based on moral grounds.
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@Stephen
--> @ShilaThe truth is Jesus was rejected. The crowd picked Barabbas.Why?That is a good question. But we have to notice that Barabbas 's full name was Jesus BarabbasSo when the crowd had gathered, Pilate asked them, “Which one do you want me to release to you: Jesus Barabbas, or Jesus who is called the Messiah?”Matthew 27:17It is quite difficult to imagine that Pilate would release a known war mongering zealot "who had committed murder in the insurrection.” What insurrection one may well ask? The only nuisance that seemed to be mentioned in scripture is where Jesus over turned the tables.
That is why Pilate left the choice up to crowds to pick who they wanted to be crucified. They picked Jesus not Barabbas.
Unless of course this was something a lot worse than scripture is letting on and the authors are trying to play it down to nothing more than a hissy fit on Jesus' part. Which I believe they are.
The insurrection was evidenced by the crowds demanding Jesus be crucified. The Romans were concerned it would escalate into a riot and insurrection.
Luke 23:21 But they kept shouting, “Crucify him! Crucify him!”
The bible does say "another man that had committed insurrection with him".
That is why Pilate left the choice up to crowds to pick who they wanted to be crucified. They picked Jesus not Barabbas.
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@zedvictor4
--> @ShilaThat's the funny thing.No one knows who or what Jesus actually was.
The Bible and 2 billion Christians can tell you what Jesus actually was.
That's assuming that he actually existed.
That Jesus was a historical figure has long been settled.
The reliability of subsequent hand me down tales will inevitably be questionable.
It has been questioned but not refuted. 2 billion Christians can attest to that.
Best case is that he was a bloke who gave a lot of credence to the Idea of supernatural entity/deity, so much so that he considered himself the son of a GOD.
You are finally coming along just like the rest did.
Which if you think about it, was a reasonable conclusion for any theistically/deistically inspired person.
Now you are even affirming it was a reasonable conclusion for any theistically/deistically inspired person.
And if he was charismatic enough, he could undoubtedly inspire others to follow.
He certainly was charismatic. 2 billion Christians inspire others to follow.
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@3RU7AL
so how does "objective morality" help me get to heaven ?how does "objective morality" help me make practical decisions ?
Deuteronomy 11:26-28 sums it up like this: "Obey and you will be blessed. Disobey and you will be cursed." In the New Testament, we learn through the example of Jesus Christ that believers are called to a life of obedience.
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Novice_II:Does the mother have the right to decide to remove a human being from her body, even when she was the one that placed them there, in a state where the human being is temporarily dependent on her for its survival?
If you understood conception and procreation you would know the mother does not place a human being in her body. And once in her body the baby is dependent on her for its survival.
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Polytheist _Witch: I don't care what you think I was not talking to you. Just because religion supports marriage doesn't mean marriage is a religious institution, jackass.
Poll shows rise in belief that marriage is a religious institution
A new survey shows an increase in likely U.S. voters who see marriage as a religious institution, with a majority now holding this view.
Rasmussen Reports' Dec. 22 national survey of 1,000 U.S. likely voters found that a majority – 53 percent of respondents – said marriage is a religious institution. This is an increase from 48 percent in October. Another 40 percent saw marriage as a civil institution, down from 45 percent in October.
About 77 percent of respondents said they are married or have been at some point in their lives. This correlated to their views of the institution.
About 57 percent of ever-married respondents said marriage is a religious institution, while the never-married tended to see it as a civil institution.
A large majority of Republicans and a small majority of unaffiliated voters said marriage is a religious institution, while a small majority of Democrats said it is civil in nature. Men and respondents over 40 were more likely to say marriage is religious.
Respondents also gave their views on the relationship between marriage and having children.
About 73 percent of respondents said it is important or very important to be married before having children. Another 25 percent said that marriage is not a precondition for parenthood, an increase from 20 percent in a previous survey.
Ever-married respondents were far more likely to stress the importance of marriage before children than the unmarried, Rasmussen Reports said.
The survey suggests marriage is highly valued in the U.S.
Seventy-nine percent of respondents said marriage is somewhat or very important to society, with 55 percent ranking it very important.
The survey found that 45 percent of respondents opposed "gay marriage," while 42 percent favored it.
In October, the pollster's survey found voters evenly split on the question at 44 percent each. However, the apparent changes are still within the survey's margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percent.
Views about the nature of marriage appear to correlate to views on "gay marriage." About 71 percent of those who said marriage is a religious institution oppose "gay marriage," while 75 percent of those who said it is a civil institution favor marriage redefinition.
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@Best.Korea
--> @Shila63 out of 190 have banned, yes.So how much, 30%?
Most of the advanced countries have banned corporal punishment of children.
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--> @ShilaLike uncovering whose alt you are.
I don’t know anyone on DebateArt. I am also new to a Religion Forum. But I did find other religion forums over proselytizing and decided to try DebateArt. I haven’t received any feedback so I must be doing ok.
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@Best.Korea
63 countries, mostly in Europe and Latin America, have banned the practice. School corporal punishment, of students by teachers or school administrators, such as caning or paddling, has been banned in many countries, including Canada, Kenya, South Africa, India, New Zealand and all of Europe.
What country has the highest rate of corporal punishment?
The MENA region has some of the highest levels of corporal punishment in the world. Surveys have found that more than 90 percent of children suffer physical punishment at least once a month in countries like Egypt, Morocco, and Tunisia, while the lowest rate – 50 percent – was in Qatar
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--> @Polytheist-WitchDo you acknowledge that it is a logical contradiction to state that someone "can and cannot do whatever they want with their body when pregnant." Yes or no, is that a logical contradiction?
The mother can do anything like wear makeup, get a haircut, clip her nails or any other action so long as it does not endanger the unborn child she is carrying. Post #73.
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@3RU7AL
-> @ShilaThe Queen is dead. Let her Rest In Peace.
That won’t wake up the Queen either.
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--> @ShilaPolytheist ¥Witch: Sales tax has nothing to do with service it has to do with sales. You don't pay sales tax on a massage because there's a service involved you pay sales tax because a product was sold. Fucking idiot.
The purchase of goods for further manufacture or for resale is uniformly exempt from sales tax. Most jurisdictions exempt food sold in grocery stores, prescription medications, and many agricultural supplies. Sales taxes, including those imposed by local governments, are generally administered at the state level.
"Thirteen of the 45 states with a sales tax still impose it on groceries."
State policymakers looking to make their tax codes more equitable should consider eliminating the sales taxes families pay on groceries if they haven’t already done so, or at least reducing these taxes or partially offsetting them through a tax credit.[1] Thirteen of the 45 states with a sales tax still impose it on groceries. (See Figure 1.) Of those, ten offer a lower tax rate for groceries than the general sales tax rate or provide a tax credit to offset some or all of the sales tax on groceries. Only Alabama, Mississippi, and South Dakota still tax groceries at the full state sales tax rate.
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Polytheist _Witch: Marriage doesn't really have anything to do with religion. I have no idea what a reduction in religion would have to do with marriage
Religion actually supports marriage as an institution. Muslims are allowed 4 wives.
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Polytheist _Witch: Alternating the DNA of the fetus is not the mother doing what it wants to its body eventually the child will be born with an alteration. If the mother drinks while pregnant and the child is born addicted to alcohol the mother is guilty of a crime because the child is born. The child is born genetically altered the child is born. You seem to be confused about what a born person is and what a not born person is.
The mother can do anything like wear makeup, get a haircut, clip her nails or any other action so long as it does not endanger the unborn child she is carrying. Post #73.
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@CoolApe
--> @oromagiInternet does seem to a big factor in social dysfunction.Millennials and Gen Zers also face more economic insecurity compared to older generations. They have less opportunities to make it with their careers and move away from home early on in life. I'd say that probably contributes to more sexless men and women.
The demand for pornography on the internet is growing.
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Polytheist _Witch: --> @ShilaDon't tell me food's not taxed I pay tax at restaurants and I pay a 1% sales tax for my food which used to be 6% sales tax until the state reduced it.
You are paying for service.
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@Greyparrot
--> @cristo71It amazes me that some Americans are so ignorant that it took Trump for them to realize democracy was all messed up and that entrenched people in DC are the ones that have mattered for 8 decades.
Putting Trump in jail with prove to all Americans they are not above the law.
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@sadolite
--> @ShilaDie you fucking cunt
You need a millstone around your neck to control your mental illness.
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@TWS1405
--> @ShilaAll it takes is just one distant DISTANT relative of a former slave who got an education, was married before having kids, acquires a job then had kids and has become successful in America blows out any so-called PC committee to find excuses for black wanton failure.
Do you know how much is the life of a black man worth in Minneapolis?
The city of Minneapolis has reached a $27 million civil settlement with the family of George Floyd, the Black man whose death in police custody.
Now try to understand why white Americans are not for reparation.
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@zedvictor4
--> @ShilaAh.So, your measure of class is based upon solely upon wealth.Whereas my measure of class is based upon a broader application of intellect.So, for example.An extremely rich anti-social dickhead would lack class.Whereas an extremely rich altruist would be classy.One could also apply the same criteria to not so well-off people.Class is also apparent in style, deportment and a raft of other characteristics.You are just categorising people relative to poverty indicators.Thanks to the "Wests" reliance upon cheap Chinese exports and cheap labour.So, whilst there are still people doing the donkey work for peanuts all will be fine and dandy.Therein lies contradictory logic.Or illogic.Or a misconception.I'm not certain that the Chinese authorities will allow the bubble to completely burst.What say you?
By 2027, we estimate that 1.2 billion Chinese will be in the middle class, making up one quarter of the world total. China already makes up the largest middle-class consumption market segment in the world and is a priority market for major multinational firms.Oct 1
The percentage of middle class in China compared to the rest of its population is?
85.7 %.
Now compare that to other countries.
What is the percentage of middle class in America?
Sociologists Dennis Gilbert, Willam Thompson and Joseph Hickey estimate the middle class to constitute roughly 15% of the population.
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Nivuce_II: I just don't understand this dialogue method.Person A: "You need to work on your punctuation, not to mention grammar."Person B: "What mistakes do you think I'm making?"Person A: "I refuse to answer actually, but just stop because the mistakes exist."
If you don’t recognize your own mistakes. You might need special help.
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@Elliott
-> @3RU7ALdid you catch the part where they passed a law to INCREASE the royal allowance by 10X ?No I didn’t but the video’s title “The Queen doesn’t want you to know this” complete with an emoji limited its credibility for me.If it is talking about the Sovereign Grant, the amount that is paid is decided upon and authorised by Prime Minister, the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Keeper of the Privy Purse, I don’t think the Monarch has a say in it.
The Queen is dead. Let her Rest In Peace.
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Trump packed the boxes returned to National Archives in January HIMSELF and one of his lawyers refused his request to say all documents had been turned over to federal agency
- Donald Trump personally packed up the 15 boxes of documents that his office returned to the National Archives in January
- Detail revealed in new bombshell report from Washington Post
- Report also noted Trump asked one of his lawyers to tell the National Archives and Records Administration that his team had returned all the requested records
- Alex Cannon, the attorney, refused because he was not sure that was true
- August raid by feds revealed more than 11,000 records, including about 100 documents marked as classified, had remained in Mar-a-Lago
This proves Trump knowingly and selectively hid the classified documents he wanted and packed what he did not need to the National Archives.
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@ahiyah
--> @TWS1405lolYou seem to be totally ignorant of the fact that *every* criticism you have in response to other people applies with complete accuracy to you.Fools will be fools, though.
You made a good point.
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Marriage is the oldest institution in the world. From the studies presented that institution is in trouble.
Sex outside marriage is as old as the institution of marriage. Hope that is not threatened too.
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You guys should give up trying to define or understand objectivity. Besides none of you can be objective given your subjective biases against each other.
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@Tradesecret
What is truth? How do you know if you see it?
The same question was raised by Pilate in John 18.
John 18:38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him. 39 But it is your custom for me to release to you one prisoner at the time of the Passover. Do you want me to release ‘the king of the Jews’?”
40 They shouted back, “No, not him! Give us Barabbas!” Now Barabbas had taken part in an uprising.
40 They shouted back, “No, not him! Give us Barabbas!” Now Barabbas had taken part in an uprising.
The truth is Jesus was rejected. The crowd picked Barabbas.
Why?
Isaiah 53:3 He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
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@Sidewalker
--> @3RU7ALHow do you measure exist, do you have an exist-o-meter
Answer Double_R.
“Let me know when you have something intelligent to say.”
Answer 3RU7AL:
“are you familiar with physics and engineering ?”
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@Double_R
--> @Novice_IISo do we agree that we should be able to prevent people from doing at least some things with their body?We already went through this. In fact we, or at least I, was way past that.Yes. Get to your point.
He should start by getting some body tattoos.
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@Lemming
If a group of people wanted to found a new nation,I'd be okay with them making eugenics one of their principles,'Depending on 'how the eugenics was implemented.I wonder a bit if it'd be effective though,Beauty being subjective,Though one 'might be able to bring up 'near universal preferences, that they'd argue humanity would be better without.
Blacks and Asians don’t have a big disparity in appearance. They all have the same appearance that defines them as black and Asians.
But among whites there is a huge disparity from beautiful to ugly and even freaky. Why?
Genetics point to the Neanderthal DNA influence in whites.
“Which Europeans have the most Neanderthal genes?
Contemporary Europeans have as many as three times more Neanderthal variants in genes involved in lipid catabolism than Asians and Africans.”
Eugenics was seen as the only hope to improve the appearance of white race.
“While eugenic principles have been practiced as early as ancient Greece, the contemporary history of eugenics began in the late 19th century, when a popular eugenics movement emerged in the United Kingdom, and then spread to many countries, including the United States, Canada, Australia, and most European countries.”
“In the United States the eugenics movement began during the Progressive Era and remained active through 1940”
But Eugenics was not successful at weeding out the ugly and freaky whites. There were just too many of them.
This is when it was decided to let in immigrants from Asian and African countries to create a more balanced appearance of western countries. Asians and blacks compensate for what is missing in white people which is simple natural beauty. Majority of whites need breast and booty augmentation, plastic surgery, Botox dental implants etc. to remove the Neanderthal in them because eugenics is an extremely slow process and not guaranteed either.
But there are others like TWS1405 who still advocate eugenics to control white degenerates. Sad but true!!
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- Interesting, but not sure what to tell you here.
It doesn’t get any better.
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@zedvictor4
--> @ShilaReparations from who though.Everyone is dead and society moved on.As I said, all you are really advocating is Blacky v Whitey for cash.So, someone might have a great great great great great Aunt or Uncle who was sold into slavery in the distant past.So, I might have an ancestor who was enslaved by the Romans in the distant past.Would I not deserve Italian cash?You're just cherry picking one bit of World history and social development and hoping to cash in on it.Rather than doing reasonably well at school and getting a proper job. (Not you personally, I hasten to add. Hopefully you did/or will do reasonably well at school and will get/got a proper job)As might do "Native Indians" (of course Native Indians were only native for as long as they were native)who previously colonised the Land masses of the Americas.People moved East and people moved West and the world became colonised and recolonised.So, perhaps everyone deserves a slice of the reparations pie.
All the details are being studied.
In April, the House Judiciary Committee held a historic vote on H.R. 40, a bill that would create a federal commission to study “the lingering negative effects of the institution of slavery” in the U.S. — looking at various forms of “economic, political, educational, and social discrimination” — and to develop proposals for “appropriate remedies,” including potential reparations for Black Americans. First introduced by late Michigan Rep. John Conyers in 1989, the bill was finally approved by the judiciary committee and now awaits a vote on the floor of the House of Representatives.
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@Mharman
--> @ShilaAgain, it's a pretty obvious implication, if you could read what I said. I'm not interested in debating semantics.I gave a response about how dumb this thread is, and here you are creating one of the dumbest arguments in site history. If you could get that 'specific wording' stick out of your ass, you would see that.I'm done here.
You said you were replying to the OP which was started by TWS1405.
But you are attacking everyone because you are annoyed to be debating semantics. Get on topic!!
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@Tarik
--> @ShilaAll gods are applicable to atheists. That includes the jealous God in the Bible.Define atheist Shi.
Atheist definition: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
That includes all gods including the jealous God in the Bible.
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@Mharman
--> @IwantRooseveltagainI do. I can't believe I actually have to pull out a dictionary here, I thought people on this site would be past that.con·fir·ma·tion bi·asLearn to pronouncenoun
Take the advice go back to college and get a decent education.
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