Shila

RM: Nothing changed on the part of men, what changed is that unlike before, women are demanding more from the men to even get a fucking seat at the table without them ignoring you to text the next guy who turns up.

If you think I'm ignorant, try the dating game. I've met women who literally admit it to me and say 'why not'. I am not a fucking misogynist, I can sexually please women very well and get along with them in daily life (though I'm rather introverted), it's not about frustration at sex, it's about observing the environment. Those that don't adapt will perish, the jungle's just more social media driven than real-life contact driven now.

--> @Double_R

Says the guy selectively editing our exchanges and then re-posting them even after being shown how blatantly dishonest they were.

Yep. All the same traits of the Reverend Tardesecret.

WTF?

That exchange didn’t happen. I just posted the full exchange and showed how the parts of it you conveniently left out were crucial to understanding what I was talking about

Yep. All the same traits of the Reverend Tardesecret.

--> @bibliobibulimaniac

Somehow the word 'responsible confuses me in this thread,

I'm sure it's mostly me though.

--> @badger

I'd say that no matter which side you're on, you are "throwing in" with truly awful people who exist somewhere.  If someone's politics are tainted by some ethereal association with somebody else you do or don't know who has similar beliefs and attitudes but adds bad stuff to it, then all politics are tainted. 

In which case no politics should be happening at all. But nobody here accepts that conclusion.

Best.Korea: The war can end if Putin uses 10-20 nukes on Ukraine, preferably on civilian targets. 

Since USA was the only country to use nukes on civilians, Russia must use at least 3 nukes on Ukraine to beat USA.

If USA opposes, Putin and Kim can nuke USA and entire NATO alliance.

Yes, billions would die. But thats just statistic. We shouldnt be bothered by that in the slightest.

In fact, if everyone dies, all of our problems will be solved.

That is to say, there's obviously decent people on the right. But also absolute fucking lunatics. Then with the exception of RM, the left is all the same one thing, you know what you're getting, it's not so bad. Ramshutu through to oro, they all just like to suck a cock every now and again. Danielle is a lesbian, basically.

So, well, the good guys. Thett for example. Skep is also gay, questionable. But what happens if your votes make for TheWhiteSaviour69 becoming president of America. Or who knows. ThankWhiteySlaves. TheyWillSuck. Just. He's an obnoxious fucking loser really. I'm drunk lol. I wish I could think of something fucking sick burn for his dumbass acronym. TheWhiteSerpent. Something. 

--> @Shila

My god dude. Learn. To. Read.

"Asserting God as the standard for morality"

This was the former - a clarification of what Tarik and I was actually discussing.

"not ..."

This is the negation, as in what follows the "not" is something Tarik and I were not discussing.

"asserting God as an existent being"

This is the thing Tarik and I were not discussing. It also came second in that sentence, making it "the latter".

So when I said the latter was a factual claim which shoulders a burden of proof, I am very clearly saying that asserting God as an existent being carries with it, a burden of proof.

--> @Shila

So why is your test about locking pro-lifers in a burning building and forcing them to make life saving decisions?

Because they volunteer themselves to make such grave decisions all the time. What's one more?

The entire pro-life position is founded on "I know better than you regarding this difficult decision". 

Pro-lifers want to save all life.

Then go save it. 

Out of all the people groups in the world that have pled for help, not a one of them was an unborn child. Go pay attention to the thousands begging you to and stop obsessing over the one that doesn't need or want you.

--> @Shila

Benatar argues that bringing someone into existence generates both good and bad experiences, pain and pleasure, whereas not doing so generates neither pain nor pleasure. The absence of pain is good, the absence of pleasure is not bad. Therefore, the ethical choice is weighed in favor of non-procreation.

Most South Africans hold a similar belief. It started with Apartheid then spread to every aspect of life.

Show that "most South Africans hold a similar belief".

--> @Sidewalker

This is the exchange you are being dishonest about:

If, as you claim, asserting God is not a truth statement, it's a subjectrive choice, then why do you throw a tantum and start screaming demands for burden of proof anytime someone asserts belief in God.

The latter is a factual claim and therefore one which, if you believe in basic principals of logic, shoulder a burden of proof

WTF?

That exchange didn’t happen. I just posted the full exchange and showed how the parts of it you conveniently left out were crucial to understanding what I was talking about.

--> @Shila

A true pro-life person would try to save the 40 embryos instead of the single child. The single child can easily be replaced by 40 others.

This is a true statement. A true pro-life would let the child die to save the embryos. My point was there are no true pro-lifers, because no one would make that choice in the example I gave. 

Pro-lifers want to save the millions.

Lol, that is exactly my point. Pro-lifers have a savior complex, and think the warm fuzzies they get from "saving babies" is of more importance than the rights of the women they stomp all over in the process. There are thousands of people groups that need saving, yet no one is out picketing and passing laws to save those groups. Pro-choicers realize that starting from a place of "I need to save them" when no one asked for their help is sanctimonious at best. We acknowledge that difficult decisions are best made by the people who will be affected by those decisions, not by self-righteous people that think they have a right to judge another's choices.

--> @Shila

Even if Trump or Republicans take over congress they will not be able to stop state cases against Trump. Biden could veto their attempts too. Nor will it stop DOJ from investigating and charging Trump.

DoJ can do whatever they want. But they can’t avoid congressional scrutiny and subpoenas without facing contempt of Congress charges. We crossed that river a long time ago.

As for state cases, we know Letisha James is a political hack. One pill out says she’s in a close race with her GOP challenger. I doubt he wins, but if Tish James couldn’t do anything in the last 4 years, what is she gonna do in the next 4. 

--> @sadolite

My advice is to ignore that which you do not wish to interact with.

As it is, you continue to interact with that which you say you do not wish to interact with.

This begs two questions.

A. Do you actually enjoy interacting with Shila in this way?

B. Why can you not ignore that which you do not wish to interact with?

Because as it is, they have the upper hand.

I personally have no problem with Shila.

--> @RationalMadman @Shila

#18

Has Poly started talking to herself?

How to define stupid, as it can simply mean those whose you disagree with.

 

Personally, I disagree with and find authoritarian followers stupid, as their obedience to an authority limits their ability to think independently.

I spent the entire night thinking about this line. It sums up the folly of pro-life to me, as I don't believe that anyone truly thinks embryos and children are equal. 

Let's pretend we could somehow lock the pro-lifers on this thread in a burning building. The room to your left contains an 8 year old. The room to the right contains 40 stored embryos. You only have time to save one room before everyone in the building dies. If everyone that says "an embryo is the same as a child" truly believes that, then they would save the 40 stored embryos without hesitation. 40 to 1, right? The choice is obvious. 

I do not believe that anyone, in the heat of a life or death moment, would choose to abandon an 8 year old kid to save 40 embryos, not even if the person making the decision were the mother of the child and the embryos. Because, in life or death moments our true beliefs act themselves out in a way they don't on debate forums. On debate forums we say things that make ourselves look and feel good -- in life or death moments we act as the person we truly are beneath all the decorations. 

In fact, I daresay most people would actively try to a save a dog before they'd prioritize saving the 40 embryos. 

Best.Korea: Democracy is one form of the system of government.

However, the only system of government that really exists is government from power.

It doesnt matter how its called. Democracy in todays form only exists because those with power sustain it. 

To translate: There is only power, and those too weak to obtain it.

--> @Shila

So why are you still arguing with Sidewalker?

On the subway with very little service. Not really anything else to do.

So You are having a whole conversation in your head.

What’s funny is that while I was responding to you I was also wondering whether you think you are worth anyone’s time and attention more so than Sidewalker. Here you show why you are not.

--> @Shila

The feelings are a result of whether it's evolutionarily advantageous. Rape is not, so that explains why there are a lot of hard, negative feelings towards it.

Religion is an evolutionary advantage. It's Atheism that is the disadvantage. Firm Atheistic beliefs will never capture human emotion like religious ones did/do. Also, religious tribes could whether the harshness of evolution better through their beliefs, even if those beliefs were total bs. That's the point of the thread.

So the point of the thread is religion is an evolutionary advantage even if those beliefs were total bs.

Exactly :)

@Poly

A Zedku for Poly.

Nope, nope and nope. 

Lazy and liar,

Worthless atheists,

Chanted big mother troll,

As she danced naked,

In the light of the full moon.

--> @Shila

We actually know nothing of the Jesus character. Other than second hand accounts written into unverifiable folk myths.

Similarly, remote debateart users will actually know nothing of each other. 

Even a full profile can only be taken at face value. It's also often quite evident that some profiles are blatantly phoney.

Nonetheless, odds are that I do actually exist.

And odds are that a lot of the unverifiable myth is phoney.

And odds are that 2000 years ago a carpenter did have a son, who spoke the language he was taught and followed the religion he was taught.

So put two and two together and come up with five.

Novice_II: Are there any arguments for abortion (pro choice), that someone can give me directly? Give me the syllogism, please, because I cannot detect a single argument in this thread that I can work with.

--> @Shila

Due to months of isolation and strictness I am able to go out with only virtual threats of Covid. In China nowadays, wearing a mask is more a "I care about COVID" passport than an actual protection measure.

--> @Shila

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Shila, Can you tell me everything that is funny about this photo?

Sorry guys for derailing the thread a little.

-> @Shila

You don’t want to give Americans another reason to go out an shoot somebody with news like that.

First, I am neither an American nor am I in the US.

Second, the atomic bombing of Hiroshima is not news

RM: --> @Shila

Thank you Shila and how many personalities do you have on different accounts and forums?

Best.Kirea: Life is the main cause of starvation.

Do you believe morally ambiguous individuals are more responsible for their actions than those driven by an intense fanaticism or zealotry? 

I know it might differ depending on the situation, however let's just look at the Holocaust. 

You have individuals who play an essential part in the genocidal process, and may send thousands of innocent people off to their deaths, yet they might save a few children or somebody they used to know. Then you have individuals who are driven by this intense anti-semitic ideology who don't stop to consider their actions, who wouldn't spare anybody, who genuinely believes they are doing the right thing. 

Who would be more responsible for their OWN actions? 

I guess you could say that morally enigmatic individuals would be because they usually have a full understanding of the ramifications of their actions, while fanatics tend to get caught up in their own single-mindedness to fully comprehend their situation. 

However it is also the fanatics own fault for allowing themselves to succumb to this single-mindedness. However I am unsure if this is even related. 

Would really appreciate some advice and opinions on this topic. 

--> @Shila

It made the Chinese stay at home which was not good for the economy.

China's economic growth was mostly positive in the year 2020 unlike America. That is another topic.

--> @zedvictor4

I'm assuming your using a 28 day embryo as a reference for when you think a difference exists between the entity at birth and the embryo. 

If you believe the cut-off date is at 28 days, then this well before the point the point of viability and you have given up a lot of ground.

I strongly disagree that any date several weeks or a even a dozen weeks before viability makes a difference on the personhood of the prebirth. 

Polytheist-Witch: As absolutely horrible as American atheists are, the ones in the UK are way, way worse. They encounter less theists but are even more angry at theists and full of way more hate than the American ones go figure on that.

--> @Intelligence_06

Chinese are not fat like Americans. China should be sending a new batch over.

--> @Shila

OK I will be nice this time and repeat a request I made and see if you have any honor by honoring my request. I have no interest with engaging with you on this site. Please do not respond to any of my posts.

--> @Stephen

It is hurting itself in its own confusion. Surely nobody will scorn at China's strict effort at eradicating COVID.

RM thinks he's Superman, Jesus Christ.

I'd rather have been Superman than Jesus Christ but unfortunately I was born a human in touch with god so I am closer to being the latter.

Am I the only person who thinks Bush simply LET 9/11 happen so there could be a fake war on terror?

After all, there is a lot of oil in Iraq and Iran, and it also gave a chance for the elites to make billions on selling their war inventions and other sales on the home front.

The fake war on drugs and horrifying war on communism were huge moneymakers, why not just make another fake war on terror?

Seems like it makes perfect sense to me.

--> @TWS1405

LOL!!!! Delusions of grandeur and psychological projection shines bright once again. LOL!!!!

You sure you aren't talking about yourself there, bud? After all, you seem to know better than the FBI on their own UCR and Biologists on biology, without citing any evidence, of course. Like always.

--> @Shila

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Asserting God as the standard for morality, not asserting God as an existent being. If you read the exchange first you would know that.

The latter is a factual claim and therefore one which, if you believe in basic principals of logic, shoulder a burden of proof. Clearly you don’t, which is why you pretend it’s a game.

--> @Shila

The Beatles didn’t start out as millionaires. Success made them millionaires. But that did not change their talent for making music.

The only working class of the four was Richard Starkey aka Ringo. He came from the Liverpool slums and lived in squalid a back -to - back house

@ witch

They're just here to vent their hatred of theistd on people they don't know so they don't lose all their family and friends.

Polytheist-Witch wrote: I'm here to basically take a shit and walk away. #140

Have you run out of woods to take a shit in Witch?

Polytheist-Witch: Usually you see a picture of someone and guess what they might sound like. But all we have here are words so I honestly had no idea what to expect very interesting.

Novice_II: Because this thread is asking for secular pro-life arguments, I tend to argue that it is contradictory to deny human rights to the unborn unless human rights mean something other than human rights. Escaping that picture, I have simply not heard a good argument for abortion that did not lead to certain conclusions that most people would see as horrific. With or without God, the pro life position seems to be the most reasonable. 

Polytheist-Witch: You don't choose your religion. If you have you've done it wrong.

That's why people can have a moral standard that completely conflicts with their religion.

Best.Korea: Dear Shila,

Our government could invest into developing such a vaccine as top priority, then mask it as a new flu shot.

If 90% of children receive such vaccine, it will reduce total reproduction by 90%.

It wont kill all humans, but it will help.

Nuclear war would also be a positive solution. But they also have to kill the fish too so the fish doesnt evolve into new humans.