Shila

I think it’s common for young children to see the Bible as a story book and to have a childish understanding of God as an invisible man in the sky that grants wishes to those who pray.  Of course, as children age and mature their conception of God and their understanding of faith develops and matures beyond such childish ways of understanding things.

I’m sorry, but this type of Atheism just doesn’t appear to be all that grown up to me, and clinging to such childish ideas about God and faith isn’t what I’d call “deep”.

-> @zedvictor4

Hi Stephen.

I would contend that man polluting his environment is a natural occurrence.

That is a reasonable observance, Vic lad.  

The difference is that man can avert the pollution he is creating but he cannot do anything about what the position of the planets and other heavenly bodies have on the earth in relation to the devastating effect they have. 

I am sure I do not have to explain to you these effects and what causes them. The educated ancient priests   understood perfectly well what was happening when these natural disasters occurred, they just didn't explain them to the ignorant, illiterate superstitious masses of the time but instead used them for their advantage.  

According to the elite educated parasitic priests, the ignorant superstitious population had angered god and were now being punished. What was required to quell gods anger was usually more donations in one form or another. You see, it was all man's fault he'd brought it all on himself through his behaviour.

Of course, today these parasitic priests wouldn't dream of getting away with claiming that a natural devastating disaster was sent from God. 

In this new age we have new "gods" better known as corporations. Governments are their priests that come with new age reasons for the causes of the natural disasters we are experiencing today, but ultimately it will still come down to man and his behaviour and we now have to pay for it- pollution tax being one of them. The gods will have their pound of flesh in one form or another. I am sure you get my meaning, Vic lad.

This is nothing new, it has happened many times, and before even Jesus' time too. Jesus knew about it.  He was an educated priest and had been taught "the secrets of heaven". This is why he was capable of telling his close circle what happens at the end of every age.

Matthew 24:3-7 “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”  Jesus replied:

Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places, etc etc 

Revelation is, well, revealing too. Especially when it speaks of inflation and a loaf of bread costing a day's wages- at the end of the age.

“A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius". Outrageous if you ask me Vic, lad. Especially the barley part. That is used in making beer . How much has your beer gone up lately?

Outrageous inflation in other words.

 No, there is a lot to be said about this ancient book of which one idiot pastor here once said, "is only a book that is full of words that mean nothing".  

How's Mrs Vic doing these days? All good, I hope. Give her my best wishes.

Well, we are into 326 pages of argument now. So are you ready to deliver you verdict?

So raping ten year old children is what Christians are doing to increase their numbers.  You really talk shite a lot of the time.

Exactly so to tie this back to our discussion a fact is something that can be proven, so for arguments sake if love is what gets you into heaven then that’s the proof in the pudding.

--> @badger

Polytheist-Witch: That's because we are 50 individual countries even though people call US states. We basically in general want the federal government not to intrude upon things that have nothing to do with the federal government. And college is one of those things. The government is free at this point to give out whatever grants they want to people to work around this. I personally don't think you should get more than 2 years after high school pay for. Which means colleges should really streamline exactly what people need when they go to college and trade school would be paid for. If you want the type of job that takes more than 2 years of college then you should pay for it at that point. I don't think the government should be paying for anybody to go through 6-8 years of school for a lawyer or a doctor or a veterinarian or any of those other jobs that require that. And part of the reason for that is college students fuck off constantly.

Polytheist-Witch: Must have hit a nerve, the alcoholic broke character.

I said that the language used to attack them was of a kind normally reserved for serial killers, not that they were serial killers.

They were in the country when the Queen died and will remain here until after the funeral.

So far Charles seems to be doing a good job and from the reaction of the crowds he appears to be well liked.

--> @Shila

My point is I do not share your "wonder" about Trump.

And you still did not answer the question I asked.

--> @Shila

What part of Schiff's speech do you disagree with? Did you hear him say the word Trump? Cause I don't have that name running around my head 24/7 when examining what is going on in the economy right now.

--> @Shila

But do you have to disqualify senior citizens. Their opinions maybe less relevant but they want to be liked too.

statistically, retired people are more likely to vote

Isn’t that good for democracy?

sure, but it also makes their opinions MORE relevant

--> @ILikePie5

You don't disagree with any of his statements at all?

--> @Shila

Agreed, but that history doesn't reflect much on the quality of a portrait painting.  Bill Cosby's jokes didn't suddenly stop being funny just because we found out he was a rapist.

--> @Shila

They were on the Oprah Show airing their grievances.

They had been attacked and maligned by the press long before that interview. When you read some of the remarks in the comments section of these newspapers, the language used is of a kind normally reserved for serial killers.

--> @Shila

White privilege is a fact. White superiority is a myth. We just buried a monarch.

Affirmative Action is racist. Discriminating against Asians is okay with Democrat

BULLSHITE! You are falling for that old government chestnut of man-made climate change that they have purposefully conflated with man polluting his environment.  And thicko's like yourself have fallen for it.

Didn't you learn fk all at school concerning the movement of the earth around the sun? Here are some clues. The earth has an apogee and an apogee. On every completed cycle the earth retards 1arc degree = 1 arc second. 

Now off you go and work the rest out for yourself.

-> @Shila

Job is a pretty scientific book. You should read it sometime.

Also, the premise is "God created the world."

Considering the crapshoot that is Evolution and the fact that many scientists are abandoning it in favor of a multiverse theory that is based on pure wishful thinking and not raw empiricism or even epistemic logic of some sort shows that there is just one premise that holds true.

Something created us.

Now, that something came down 2,000 years ago, walked among us, did miracles among us, fed us, taught us, and died and rose again for us.

People literally walked and talked with God and decided to kill him. Just shows how pigheaded we humans really can be. Jesus never did anything that deserved death. In fact, he even defended the temple when people were trying to use it to line their pockets with money by taking advantage of people, something many Athiests wish Christians today would do with some televangelists.

Now fast forward to today, and this God is still performing miracles, raising the dead, and appearing to people. And others are seeing Him in their after-death experiences.

So yeah. The Bible is the only book that makes an iota of sense given the facts.

All politics in America goes back to race. It's a Pandora's box of a problem. 

--> @Shila

I don't know, free enterprise, government enterprise, laziness, hard work, more cost efficient, easier to buy or trade instead of make ourselves? (I'm guessing as I don't know the details)

"Although many of the chips the US uses are designed at home, the country purchases 90% of leading-edge chips from Taiwan, where they are made."

US Faces 'Deep and Immediate Recession' If Taiwan Chip Supply Cut (businessinsider.com)

--> @Ramshutu

The DOD has a medical standard for new recruits, and for retention.  

Gender Identity Disorder (aka Gender Dysphoria) was on the exclusionary list. Same as schizophrenia. Social anxiety disorder. Manic Depressive Disorder. Suicidal Ideation. So on and so forth.

Transgenders are diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria with often to always accompanied by depression, anxiety, and oft suicidal ideation. They require constant medication of various sorts to be functional at a somewhat normal level. Surgeries will require significant downtime. All these things preclude transgenders from serving under the medical standards for recruits and retention. At least they did, until liberals forced PC tolerance upon the Armed Forces, using that security force as a social experiment to destroy the very structure of that security force. They are combat ineffective. They are not deployable when under surgical treatment and recovery. They require constant medication and hormones to even keep them functional. 

Why must 95% of the normal population be forced to bend over backwards for 0.5-8% of the population!?! What ever happened to majority rules!?!

-> @Shila

If King Charles screws up. The monarchy will be damaged beyond repair.

Just look at the damage Harry and Meghan have caused.

Harry and Meghan have done nothing to deserve the condemnation they have received and that has been driven by the gutter press, particularly the Sun.

--> @Greyparrot

No, I mean they happen to be where 'some of the chip companies are, or 'some want to build their factories.

--> @Shila

--> @Shila

Human bodies haven’t changed much. But we cover them out of modestly.

I would think that losing one's body hair only to have  replace it with the hair of dead animals for warmth is a giant leap from one's natural state. Something which you have also failed to explain.

Obviously you don’t read your Bible.

 Don't kid yourself.

The advantage humans have over animals is when it is cold they can wear their fur and when it is hot they can take off their fur coat.

Animals have less control over their environment.

No animal has control over its environment including humans. What the weather does it does. But animals can cope better with their environment than humans can cope with theirs.

Grow up and stop being so silly.

I don't know which part of the world you live but here in 21st century England many are expected to die this coming winter through hypothermia. How many Emperor penguins do you think will suffer the same fate?

--> @Shila

Who built this spambot? It's very impressive

May she rest in peace.

That woman wasn't just the Queen of the UK. She was a relic from an older time. Not an actual veteran, but somebody who partook in the civic struggle against Nazi aggression during WWII. Somebody who, frankly, by all reason shouldn't have still been around in 2022.

A pointless legacy institution was given a face that people know and love. I suspect that because of her, the British monarchy will last longer than it otherwise would've. And so will the essence of what makes Britain British.

--> @Shila

Democrats are creating jobs in Red States so they can be taxed to pay for programs in Blue States

Um no. Red States are supported by Blue states. The poorest states in the country are Red. Most of the tax revenue comes from the wealthy. Lue states like California and New 

Huh? I stated nothing rergarding such ideas of you above. I think our confusing me with someone else.  Please read my comments as stated.

Apparrently youve never head of M.A.D. , that, was happening from 1960 til 1990's .  I also call it nuts, and that is why humanity complained enough that governments all agreed, that M.A.D. is NUTS and reduced the amount of 24hr, 360 days a year B-52 bombers in the sky ready to drop bombs on a moments notice.

“They” who?

Cite a legitimate anthropological sources showing the historical source to back up your spurious claim.

Imagin how much a ( Razzor ruble ) would be worth these days. ?

The yanks won't go for free college because they don't like paying for the blacks. 

--> @Shila

He is talking about the ingredients in the vaccine not  improper injection procedures. Geez

--> @sadolite

RationalMadman: you are not blocked anymore, if you didnt notice you are able to @ me for some time now, some time being since last December I'm pretty sure.

-> @Solaris1

You first have to define and get everyone to agree what a human right is and what every right a human has. Good luck with that endeavor. 

Even though the Republicans try to punish blue states whenever they can (2017 Tax Act SALT Cap) Democrats passed legislation that will help Ohio and other Republican leaning states. The Chips Act was pushed through by Democrats and signed by Biden bringing billions of dollars in subsidies to build factories in Red states.

“The federal subsidies, part of the Chips Act signed into law last month, are sparking a wave of chip investment. Micron is holding its own groundbreaking ceremony on Monday for a $15 billion chip factory near its headquarters in Boise, Idaho. Chip maker Wolfspeed on Friday announced plans to build a new manufacturing facility in Chatham County, North Carolina” Taiwan’s TSMC, the world’s largest chip maker, has said it will seek subsidies for a $12 billion factory that it has begun building in Phoenix and is aiming to finish late next year” And a partnership between SkyWater Technology and Purdue University will apply for a federal subsidy to build a new $1.8 billion factory and research facility next to the university in West Lafayette, Ind” Nearby states are hoping to benefit from the cluster of suppliers that industry experts say is bound to develop around the Ohio site. Giant chip factories need chemicals, blank silicon wafers to etch, and equipment and service providers.
“Microelectronics occurs in clusters. We believe Indiana and Ohio are a cluster,” Indiana’s Secretary of Commerce Brad Chambers said in an interview this week. “That Silicon Heartland concept I think is real.”

ALL RED STATES. ALL BENEFITING FROM LEGISLATION PASSED BY BIDEN

Does this make Democrats suckers? Are Red state Americans too dumb to know who helped them?

--> @Deb-8-a-bull

What is the second video of. ?   Talk us through it.

Ive never said anything about beheading are post links to violence. You have me confused with other.

Both vids are about guns of varying sizes and power.  What blows me away is the technological firepower, that, has been built over the years.

I went on a 1944 Battleship once to do self tour and the technology and how these people had to live in these conditions on the ship, was amazing to me. I felt like I got to understand better what the sailors/soldiers consicousness was like because of these technological environment.

Apparrently youve never head of M.A.D. , that, was happening from 1960 til 1990's .  I also call it nuts, and that is why humanity complained enough that governments all agreed, that M.A.D. is NUTS and reduced the amount of 24hr, 360 days a year B-52 bombers in the sky ready to drop bombs on a moments notice.

--> @Tarik

Seriously? Don’t act like there’s no common denominator between what you recently said and the “year old debate” that I brought back up, that referral was exactly that a reference/me simply addressing what you clearly have been ignoring.

There is some crossover, that doesn't mean they are the same points and it certainly doesn't mean you refuted anything meaningful. Let's start by reposting my argument that you ignored a few pages ago:

Let's recap. You claimed morality only makes sense if it's objective. I then asked you for an objective standard to which you replied "love". I then asserted "well being" as the standard for morality and challenged you to objectively resolve this difference. You have been tap dancing ever since.

So let's just cut to the chase; there is no such thing as objective morality. You can have a moral system that objectively follows from the core standard, but the standard itself will always be chosen by the individual, making it necessarily subjective.

If you claim God as your moral standard, I can easily reject God as the standard and as I already have, assert something else. At that point we have two different moral systems. There is no objective resolution to this, not even a god because if one does exist and weighed in on which is correct, the answer would then be *subject to* his will.

First thing to notice here is that the part you zeroed in on so you could drop the rest if it was the very last line. Now if you actually read the post you would notice that the point was made in the first two paragraphs. The last paragraph was not necessary at all, it was just thrown in for emphasis and could have been done without the last sentence.

But that's the part you want to talk about.

And what do you want to discuss regarding this last sentence? A year old debate where you challenged my statement that "subject to" is "literally how you define subjective".

Well, of you look up subjective in the dictionary does it use the words "subject to"? No, so I guess you win on that one. That's not how the word is *literally* defined, so, congratulations on the "gotcha"?

For those of us who care about actual ideas however, the point of what I'm saying still stands. The *literal* definition of subjective is;

"based mainly on opinions or feelings rather than on facts"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subjective

In other words, it's based on what the individual says instead of what's actual. Which is another of saying, *subject to* a person's say so.

This is pretty basic English.

So now would you like to address what I've said and substantiate the idea that live is an objective standard for morality, or do you have any other year olds debates you would like to rehash?

--> @Shila

Human bodies haven’t changed much. But we cover them out of modestly.

I would think that losing one's body hair only to have  replace it with the hair of dead animals for warmth is a giant leap from one's natural state. Something which you have also failed to explain.

Obviously you don’t read your Bible.

 Don't kid yourself.

Atheists pretending to be theists doesn't scare me. 

What would be scary is

Imagine a theist with the caliber of smarts as  a Zed or a stepping  hen.  

Obviously such a being couldn't exist but. 

Well that would be scary. 

Oh, you're right. I was reading the Harry Potter series and responding to that instead!

I truly look foolish.

I'll try to read your posts. Thanks for the sincere advice!

No one got the word (I made a new one)

I was reading about Obama's new presidential portrait and started thinking again about my favorite Presidential portrait. Not surprisingly, most are sober paintings of stiff men. Sargent's portrait of Teddy Roosevelt has an interesting sparse, sepia, common-man quality. Kennedy's posthumous portrait is grim, nearly a political cartoon. But Norman Rockwell's Nixon is terrific. Nixon looks likes he's leaning forward to listen. He looks relaxed and confident and focused on the the viewer. No jingoistic claptrap or luxury in the background.  No red white and blue.  Just a man in front of you, listening. All presidential portraits should feel so democratic.

https://ids.si.edu/ids/media_view?id=NPG-NPG_72_2Nixon-000001&container.fullpage&iframe=true&width=85%25&height=85%25

--> @Shila

When sadolite is out of food in the house, then goes to a restaurant, 'then goes to the store,

Is this so that he doesn't buy unnecessary food, as people sometimes do when hungry,

Or simply because he wants his hunger sated sooner, rather than later?

--> @Deb-8-a-bull

You go from . 

Itilans to Jamaicans and Russians and the rest then bammmmmmmmmmmmmmm

You say  Black people  and black teachers.

hey, it's in "the news"

we're told that canada needs more black teachers

because black students stay in school longer and get better grades

if they have black teachers

do you believe this or do you not believe this

--> @Shila

If your first choice was bad why would anyone think your second choice should be considered?

it only counts if there is no first round winner

just like a "run-off" election

It is necessary to live in the shoes of the average citizen of any country before one can give an educated opinion of that country.  You will find you may not like that country at all . I lived in Sweden for a short period, hated it.

--> @Shila

Your ignorance and condescension really shows.

Again your condescension knows no bounds, or your reading comprehension is really really atrocious.

--> @Shila

Nah fam. Look at my definitions again...

Cult is "a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious."

Christianity is a religion. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are cults, because they are unorthodox and spurious forms of a religion.

They have firmly held beliefs that are unorthodox and spurious.

I, personally, believe the known universe points directly to God. The realms of philosophy, empiricism, rationalism, epistemic logic, all end up at God, because He created the universe.

--> @Shila

New AD tells Trump supporters they are being scammed.

At least Trump can talk properly.

It’s a running 

--> @sadolite

To shop on a full stomach, or just to get rid of the hunger, sooner rather than later?

And that example is no longer relevant because college today isn't the same as college back then.