Shila

The only way Eve could have communicated with the serpent is if the serpent spoke

Polytheist-Witch: Nope

-> @Shila

Polytheist-Witch: Well considering you don't even know what a witch is I'm not really worried about you going out looking for witches to be targeted. Dumb cunt.

--> @Shila

Shila, dont you come back no mo, no mo, hit the road Jak, and dont you come bak no mo

--> @Shila

You continue to cite Shokin's replacement. Assuming he is more credible than Shokin is begging the question. The nazi officials which replaced previous judges also had radically different opinions and people also claimed that the previous officials were corrupt or useless.

It's a "he said she said" situation if you look at testimony alone. You need to look at contextual evidence to go further.

-> @Ehyeh

You're a determinist Michael. Determinists will forever limit their potential.

do you think the same thing about "indeterminists" ?

-> @Shila

RationalMadman: At least you stopped calling me RationalMoron.

i just accepted the "biden has dementia" debate challenged.

the description was really long and the character limit is 10k words.  my opponent, despite having no debate history, seems pretty dedicated, im kinda scared.  my win-loss rate might go down the shitter.  

or even worse, i might have to spend 20 hours writing a novel explaining definitions of things.  lol

--> @Shila

They appear to be good choices for anyone, regardless of their name, so that would make this proposition true via modus ponens, I suppose.

--> @Shila

You can't have it both ways - either Jesus was born of a virgin or he had a biological father. Both cannot be true at the same time. 

--> @3RU7AL

but you pretend that isn't the same as "being a racist"

Is it, if I find out after the fact? I don't think so. Doesn't make me thrilled, but what can I do, I signed a legal document with no "promise you're not a racist" opt out clause.  Also in my example, it might not even be a conscious thing by the building owner...it might be that some realtor who isn't mine wouldn't show a black person my building. 

--> @Shila

The fact that Jesus was a male suggests he had a father who contributed the Y chromosome.

There is no DNA of Jesus so far as I am aware. At best, we can say he presented himself as male. 

Luke even points to Joseph son of Heli as father of Jesus,

Well, this is awkward. 

I (non-believer) must point out you (believer) are taking that verse out of context. The author was describing the consensus of those who didnt have his 'insight'. The Gospel according to Luke describes Jesus would be born of the virgin Mary. It cannot be true that the author both thought Jesus was born of a virgin and also that Joseph was his biological father.

Luke 1:30-38

And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.” But Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?” The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; for that reason also the holy Child will be called the Son of God. And behold, even your relative Elizabeth herself has conceived a son in her old age, and she who was called infertile is now in her sixth month. For nothing will be impossible with God.” And Mary said, “Behold, the Lord’s bond-servant; may it be done to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.

--> @Shila @zedvictor4

zedvictor4

I'd agree that collective moral sets exist,

But see no reason for an individual not to have their own morality.

Shila: This is why society rejects individuals that refuse to conform to established moral principles.

Such often occurs, true.

--> @Shila

Is that why you leave your personal information as unknown?

There's nothing of any conversational value in anyone's personal information, mine especially, I figure if someone's interested they'll ask, if not it matters little to whatever subject is at hand. Not to mention that information invites bias. 

--> @Shila

Shila, hit the road jack

--> @Shila

Shila, time for you to move on.

Apparrently youve never head of M.A.D. , that, was happening from 1960 til 1990's .  I also call it nuts, and that is why humanity complained enough that governments all agreed, that M.A.D. is NUTS and reduced the amount of 24hr, 360 days a year B-52 bombers in the sky ready to drop bombs on a moments notice.

If I were to make a team from debateart.com, I would choose these people in no particular order given that these people each specialize in different topics:

1. Bones

2. Christianm

3. MisterChris

4. Fruit_Inspector

5. Semperfortis

6. Public-Choice

7. Ehyeh 

Those Theists you are talking about tend come at me with both guns blazing, for some reason I really get under those guys skin, and I have more fun landing on them with both feet than I do Atheists.  Don’t be surprised when you and I are on the same side of those debates. 

Heck, as far as I can tell, you and I are on the same side of our own debate, it sure sounds to me like you are saying the BOP game is BS, you just don’t want to admit it.  But no worries, I’m OK with you always being wrong 😊

Is there any evidence that bans on grenades, rocket launchers and c4 bombs save lives?  

Why aren't these included in the right to bear arms?

--> @Vici

Assuming parthenogenesis, Jesus would have been female. That would make Jesus trans

--> @3RU7AL

but what specific policy are you proposing

I'm not proposing any policy. I'm just saying I've seen white privilege in action...like every time the shoplifter alarm goes off and a white person just keeps walking, while a POC has their bag checked prior to being waved through. That's a small example, not something to do with, say, the ability to borrow money or the 400 year head start on building of wealth and making of laws. 

and how are people who are NOT descendants of slave-owners

supposed to "not feel attacked" when they keep hearing about "white privilege"

I don't feel attacked at all when I hear about it. Why would I? I don't propagate it even if I recognize that I might have had some advantages because of it, unwittingly...like when I applied for a mortgage

--> @Tejretics

So you’ve been around for a while - what are your perceptions about how debate and discussion have changed in a general sense since you started debating - what common topics and themes of the past have dwindled and (aside from Trump) which themes that get a lot of air time today do you feel are brand new?

-> @Shila

That 3% of white Americans who owned slaves did not include the number of people the slaves had to serve which included the owners family, relatives, friends and neighbours.

More than half the souther states were Slave states. So the 3% is misleading.

let's look at some numbers

1860 Census

Families Owning Slaves (%)

Delaware 3%

Maryland 12%

Missouri 13%

Arkansas 20%

Kentucky 23%

Tennessee 25%

Virginia 26%

North Carolina 28%

Texas 28%

Louisiana 29%

Florida 34%

Alabama 35%

Georgia 37%

South Carolina 46%

Mississippi 49%

All but five of those states contained at least 25% of the families as slaveholders — some nearly double that. As pointed out by Jamelle Bouie and Rebecca Onion in a 2015 Slate article, these numbers are “roughly the same percentage of Americans who, today, hold a college degree.” [**]

SO, IF A RANDOM WHITE PERSON'S ANCESTORS WERE RAISED IN IDAHO, OR NEW YORK, OR WISCONSIN, HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO FEEL GUILTY ABOUT ANY OF THIS ?

Polytheist-Witch: The great thing about being fat is the people that will judge you for being fat don't want to be friends with you so you have a better class of friends.

--> @Shila

My Kingdom to have the power to have atheist walk their talk, as it pertains to homophobia,  misogyny and abdicating of ones responsibility for ones actions to a savior.

I guess that how quickly atheists and other moral people end those sins will be what atheism, at the end of the day, will be judged by.

Someone needs to light a fire under the asses of decent people.

If not atheists, then who.

I am not an atheist, having suffered my apotheosis, but I recognize quality.

Regards

DL

--> @Shila

You see that as moral equivalency?

I see it as the opposite.

Here again I offer my sympathy to your poor thinking.

I'm out of here.

Regards

DL

-->

@Shila

I do not struggle with the story.

What facts?

Can a myth be known as factual?

If you believe talking serpents and donkeys are logical and or real, then I do not know how to continue.

All I can do is offer my sympathies.

Regards

DL

--> @Shila

Right and wrong is actually quite consistent across the board.

what does jesus teach us about copyright law ?

--> @Stephen

The Sumerian epic of the deluge predates  the biblical flood by thousands of years. The flood story is not the only biblical story lifted from the epics of Sumer and adopted by the Hebrew writers as part of their own history.

3RU7AL: copyright infringement !!!!!!!!!

--> @3RU7AL

Polytheist _Witch: Says the guy who doesn't believe in copyright infringement.

--> @Shila

My Kingdom to have the power to have atheist walk their talk, as it pertains to homophobia,  misogyny and abdicating of ones responsibility for ones actions to a savior.

I guess that how quickly atheists and other moral people end those sins will be what atheism, at the end of the day, will be judged by.

Someone needs to light a fire under the asses of decent people.

If not atheists, then who.

I am not an atheist, having suffered my apotheosis, but I recognize quality.

Regards

DL

--> @Shila

It also states that serpents and donkeys can talk human.

What that timing thing is telling you is a truth.

The bible's scenarios and archetypal characters are fiction and timeless.

They are to represent all of us, as good fiction does.

Unfortunately, the less bright began to believe in the supernatural and corrupted a decent naturalist religion.  

The good was spelled Chrestianity while the evil became Christianity.

Regards

DL

AM

--> @Lemming

Morality is sort of adherence to a collective idea that certain behaviour is either right or wrong.

In some instances, we collectively agree to contradict an established moral principle.

Which is what I refer to as selective morality.

--> @Tarik

That makes no sense, in order for morality to make sense and we grasp the concept of right and wrong it must be consistent across the board otherwise it refutes itself

bingo

So this and the u238 decay tables leads to a conclusion that the earth is likely significantly younger than what the old earth scientists say.

And you’re telling me this because?

--> @Shila

If you consider gender as a description of sexual orientation, physical sex, and identify, there are a ton.

Correct. 

--> @Shila

White privilege is a fact.

less than 3% of white americans were slave owners before the american civil war

--> @Shila

how can we verify the quality of their judgement regarding anyone's level of sincerity ?

--> @Shila

Sure, and note how atheists have better stats.

Regards

DL

--> @Shila

That might also explain the better atheist morality.

Regards

DL

--> @Shila

maybe, sometimes, but you can't see anyone's level of sincerity

So far Tarik has not shown any poor judgement regarding  anyone's level of sincerity.

how can we verify the quality of their judgement regarding anyone's level of sincerity ?

--> @Shila

God sacrificed the world to save Noah with a giant flood. 

 Nope! God, it is written in the bible, destroyed the earth,  and if one takes the time to read the Summaries version of the flood/deluge , no one was supposed to be saved. It was the intervention of a benevolent god that caused Noah ( Atra-Hasis Sumerian )to be saved.

 The Sumerian epic of the deluge predates  the biblical flood by thousands of years. The flood story is not the only biblical story lifted from the epics of Sumer and adopted by the Hebrew writers as part of their own history.

--> @Shila

All the more reason to take the Bible/Genesis literally. It applies to every aspect and deepest truths of human essence.

Should it be taken literally at all times? Or just some of the time?

Why do you not start a thread on the subject, Shilla?

As a matter of fact, dozens of clinical trials are testing mRNA treatment vaccines in people with various types of cancer, including pancreatic cancer, colorectal cancer, and melanoma. Some vaccines are being evaluated in combination with drugs that enhance the body’s immune response to tumors. 

Polytheist-Witch: Atheists are too good for entertain now, 😂. Still have to comment on it. Fucking pigs.

--> @coal

I agree.  The term "white privilege" exists to create intra-class division between whites and blacks, so everyone is distracted with issues that cannot be solved while those that can are rigged against both (within the middle and working classes).  

bingo

"racism" has always been a game invented by the oligarchs in order to keep the workers fighting against each other

-> @Ramshutu

what im is not saying is not whether it worked or not, im saying why don't they continue? they said they "cared" about death rates when they closed the country for 2 cases, but now they have so many more deaths? If it is the case that they care, why aren't they locked down now? It's because they don't care about people. 

Apparrently youve never head of M.A.D. , that, was happening from 1960 til 1990's .  I also call it nuts, and that is why humanity complained enough that governments all agreed, that M.A.D. is NUTS and reduced the amount of 24hr, 360 days a year B-52 bombers in the sky ready to drop bombs on a moments notice.

Logical absolutes exist. Logical absolutes are conceptual by nature, are not dependent on space, time, physical properties, or human nature. They are not the product of the physical universe (space, time, matter), because if the physical universe were to disappear, logical absolutes would still be true. Logical Absolutes are not the product of human minds, because human minds are different, not absolute. But, since logical absolutes are always true everywhere, and not dependent upon human minds, it must be an absolute transcendent mind that is authoring them. This mind is called God.