Shila

--> @cristo71

Well, in the brief times I’ve been there, you can see older folks trying to sell things on the street. Evidently, when taken in the context of the high cost of living there, Singapore’s version of Social Security isn’t enough to get by, and most citizens don’t financially plan for retirement properly.

Here’s one of several articles:

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/singapores-retirement-system-worth-studying/

I have to wonder how much of the population's percentage these people are. There are some people in life who are just destined to fail, not matter how great the system is.

--> @Tejretics

What’s your preferred Indian political party?

-> @Shila

Because the collective is never 100% of everyone, then everyone is always an exception to someone else's rule.

--> @Shila

I am beginning to think you're a troll account. The nonsense you're talking is on par with what wylted used to do when he was trying to stir the pot.  

--> @Shila

Nope. It's the black children that would benefit more than white kids

--> @Avery

However, people are going to be miserable being 600 lbs and watching tv all day. Being that helpless and immobile is soul-destroying.

There are people out there who love being waited on hand and foot. To them being immobile isn't soul crushing but the best luxury in life.

There are also people for whom it WOULD be soul crushing for. I am not saying everyone should be 600 pounds. I am just saying that something like "quality" varies from person to person. So their quality of life can change significantly.

For some, a wife, kids, and picket fenced house is the dream come true. For others, it is being a billionaire with a private jet. Comparative to each other, the quality of life is drastically different. However, they are both a good quality of life.

Some people love food. So eating a lot of it is their ideal quality of life. While others enjoy having an impracticably "swol" body. Others enjoy running marathons and doing Iron Man challenges.

All of these have extreme negatives to them. Bodybuilders can't really use their muscles for anything because they might make a strain by accident. They also need to eat 3,500+ calories a day and maintain 3% body fat, meaning they basically live off of protein shakes and steaks and maybe chicken. Goodbye pizza, carbs, burgers, desserts, and even vegetables to a degree. Most people would call that a horrible quality of life. Body builders are also prone to knee and back injuries.

Marathon runners can have knee and other physiological problems later in life due to the shear volume of running. They might need knee replacements, meniscus operations, and more. These are problems that will affect them the rest of their lives.

And the guy who is 600 pounds can't be mobile. Which h most people would hate. 

But we aren't going to say they all have terrible quality of life. It is subjective to what each person wants. To those people, they might be able to live with the consequences for their lifestyles. 

This is why it is subjective. 

--> @Shila

Polytheist-Witch: You're too stupid to keep engaging with. 

--> @Shila

-> @Shila

You are simply ignoring what I have written.

Jesus didn't once utter the words let the SPIRITUAL dead bury the dead, now did he.

Luke 9:60

King James Version

60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

The story is metaphorical, there -by proving the bible is not, as you insist,   to be taken literally at all times. Here is an example from scripture that should prove my point.

The wayward son.

Luke 15:1-24 KJV - Then drew near unto him all the - Bible Gateway

Luke 15:24  " For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry."

 So we see, the son was neither literally lost nor literally dead, was he? These are simple idioms and not to be taken literal as you keep insisting. The son simply defied his father, went off to explore the world outside the tent and apparently found it to be shite so returned home full of apologies

How can spiritually dead be metaphorical when the Bible speaks about it literally?

But the BIBLE doesn't actually and literally state "spiritual dead"   now does it!?  I have agreed that the MEANING is referring to those not in his circle or those that didn't believe him were seen to be dead as in the case of Lazarus. Lazarus had simply lost faith in the cause and wanted out until Jesus went and spoke with him.... after lingering down by the river for a few extra days after hearing the sad news of the "death" of his friend. He certainly didn't rush back to "resurrect" the disciple he loved so much, did he? 

 

This is why morality will always be subjective. There is no resolving this.

To claim something is subjective is to claim that there is no right or wrong answer.

If there is no right or wrong answer then the statement A and B are both moral cannot follow, because you have to accept that there is a right answer as to whether either is moral to even assert it.

So no, that’s not literally what that means.

This is a pretty great post, but I don't agree on two things:

(1) Quality of life isn't that subjective and is arguably pretty objective. Sure, people enjoy different things. However, people are going to be miserable being 600 lbs and watching tv all day. Being that helpless and immobile is soul-destroying. Your health is also going to decline substantially, along with your mood as a result.

There's research on others who get one/multiple limbs destroyed (usually due to a motor accident), and whilst they recover after the initial shock, they never reach the general public's average life happiness again.

(2) BMI doesn't get any ethnic group but White's "completely wrong". They might be off more than the Whites, but they're within the ballpark

No, we don't know whether Blacks are mostly racist (despite people thinking they know), but we do know they are the most racist

--> @Shila

I am not going to find the 3 times you called me it in your 108 pages, it isn't worth the digging

--> @IwantRooseveltagain

So I'm going to trust a foreign expert who is an outsider looking in above people who actually live in Ukraine and give factual evidence for their assertions?

What is this, logical fallacy land?

--> @Shila

That is why you need moderators and judges.

the ONLY "judge" of a debate (that matters) is your opponent

It's next to impossible peering through a crowd and spotting someone doing something immoral. 

NEVER have you seen someone commit an act that youve. Seen and " insta deemed " as immoral. 

A killer might help a old lady across a street one day thus completely throwing us off. 

It would be rare to  see a killing. 

Not so rare for old lady getting helped. 

It seems. ...   

Morals had to have been drempt up ( made up ) and put in motion.    so peoples and persons  can not " have fun " ( WHEN THEY ( the maker upoers )  ARE NOT THERE )   

The whole concept of morals was made up purely, i mean surly  to stop people having sex with peoples womens.  

So back to the first thing .

People put these things out there soooo people dont partake in  debuchery when they are not . 

Why???

Because you do not want to miss out on that awsome fun . 

High 5. 

--> @Shila

Post it a third time and it still has nothing to do with nope.

--> @Shila

And how do you know this copyright protection subject is an issue of morality?

Copying someone else’s material is the same as stealing intellectual property and any form of stealing is a issue of morality.

is is moral or immoral for copyright protection to expire after 20 years ?

is is moral or immoral for copyright protection to expire after 100 years ?

--> @3RU7AL

the ONLY person who can properly determine how CONVINCING your arguments are

is the PERSON you are debating

SELF-MODERATED DEBATES

Well few people are going to be convinced of something based on a debate they had. Many will just still think they are right even when all the facts and evidence are overwhelming that they are wrong.

--> @Shila

Yes, you miss the point for a second time.

Though what you say is obviously true.

But only until circumstances dictate otherwise.

It is sometimes deemed necessary for the collective to be selectively moral.

And of course, the collective is never 100% of everyone.

--> @Greyparrot

I was referring to the corrupt nature of a legal system, where the primary consideration is money.

Shouldn't the application of law not be based upon the ability of the individual to pay.

But solely upon the precise interpretation of law.  

--> @Shila

You are simply ignoring what I have written.

Jesus didn't once utter the words let the SPIRITUAL dead bury the dead, now did he.

Luke 9:60

King James Version

60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

The story is metaphorical, there -by proving the bible is not, as you insist,   to be taken literally at all times. Here is an example from scripture that should prove my point.

The wayward son.

Luke 15:1-24 KJV - Then drew near unto him all the - Bible Gateway

Luke 15:24  " For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry."

 So we see, the son was neither literally lost nor literally dead, was he? These are simple idioms and not to be taken literal as you keep insisting. The son simply defied his father, went off to explore the world outside the tent and apparently found it to be shite so returned home full of apologies

Correlation =/= causation.

There are few illnesses that obesity causes. The rest are not necessarily caused by obesity, but tend to be with obese people due to there being similarities in diet, living conditions, etc.

Quality of life is subjective. Some people are completely content watching TV all day. You can be 600 pounds and your quality of life not affected at all if all you do is watch TV.

Also, one other thing to consider is the BMI is being grossly misapplied by the medical complex. It was invented to gauge population obesity, not individual health. But, it particularly is for white people. Nobody realizes this. [1]

Africans, for instance, have a higher bone density than most white ethnicities. [2] Moreover, Asians tend to have a higher body fat percentage than white people of the same BMI measurement. [3] The BMI was based on European ethnicity, so it gets these other ethnic groups completely wrong.

The only way to properly gauge a person's proper weight is based on body fat percentage as derived from objective measures, such as DEXA scans and CT or MRI scans. [4] 

Or, for those who don't have the money for these things, looking in the mirror and seeing if they have two chins or a sizeable pot belly or cottage cheese where skin used to be.

"Getting less than an "A" in college is a waste of everyone's time"  Anonymous

-->@Shila

Do you have a source for this? It sounds like interesting reading.

--> @oromagi

I do like the Norman Rockwell portrait of Nixon better than the portrait of Nixon by James Anthony Wills.

James Anthony Wills, hair looks too square, eyes don't look right, really the whole face feels a bit off somehow, too much yellow in background, though the artist signature isn't as obtrusive as Norman Rockwell's.

Norman Rockwell's just look more human to me, real, or has 'character of how I think of Nixon.

Richard M. Nixon - White House Historical Association (whitehousehistory.org) James Anthony Wills

https://ids.si.edu/ids/media_view?id=NPG-NPG_72_2Nixon-000001&container.fullpage&iframe=true&width=85%25&height=85%25 Norman Rockwell

Donald Trump’s reelection campaign, which never received a cent from the former president, moved an estimated $2.8 million of donor money into the Trump Organization. In addition, one of the campaign’s joint-fundraising committees, which collects money in partnership with the Republican Party, shifted about $4.3 million of donor money into Trump’s business from January 20, 2017, to December 31, 2020.

I wonder if I could stock shelves from home using a remote controlled robot. . .

--> @Shila

I would love to debate but I worry about gender bias.

What an excuse. Danielle was rank 1 on DDO way back in 2012. Are you saying people are more sexist in 2022 then they were in 2012? make some debates, stop lying to yourself that anyone gives two sh*ts about your gender.

Tejretics: The biggest difference, though, is the prominence of debates about God and religion declining a lot. On DDO, the Religion forum was the largest, by posts and threads, by a country mile. Debates about whether God exists, as well as about specific tenets of religions, were happening all the time. They still happen on DART, but I think it’s declined quite significantly, probably because of the general decline of atheism-related discourse. 

--> @ILikePie5

I have a penis. Therefore I am a man. You seem like one of those SJWs who still lives in their parents’ basement

You might be a male but a man? No. A 5 year old boy has a penis, but he’s not a man. You are a young male, and it looks like you may never be a man. Just like Donald Trump.

--> @3RU7AL

because you know what is moral and what is immoral because you know what is objectively moral

And how do you know this copyright protection subject is an issue of morality?

> @Shila

--> @Shila

 @Shila

Shila, wrote: All the more reason to take the Bible/Genesis literally. It applies to every aspect and deepest truths of human essence.

Should it be taken literally at all times? Or just some of the time?

But the Bible was written to be taken seriously and literally and not metaphorically.

So how does a dead person bury another dead person?

Some of the people of the world are dead to Christ. They do not see His beauty, nor do they hear His voice or desire to follow Him. Only His “sheep” will do those things (John 10:27). The people of the world are those whom the Savior describes here as the (spiritually) dead who should bury the (physically) dead. Let people, He says, who are not interested in My work, and who are “dead in sin” (Ephesians 2:1), take care of the dead. Your duty is now to follow Me.

I agree. I have argued here many times that "let the dead bury the dead" Luke 9:60  is simply metaphorical. IE. anyone outside of Jesus' circle were simply called "the dead" and those that joined his cause were the "living". So, this is not a literal "dead" and not to be taken literally, is it?   So, are you still saying that

" the Bible was written to be taken seriously and literally#76

Let the spiritually dead bury the dead should be taken literally.

I agree simply because this is what the verse means. But the BIBLE and the actual words of JESUS do not refer LITERALY to the dead being spiritually dead, does it?  Lazarus in my opinion wasn't LITERALLY DEAD, it was a simple lapse of faith in the cause and the movement and he was only spiritually dead. Similarly, when one is referred to "having a demon" doesn't mean one to be literally possessed by a demonic spirit. Therefore, it is not to be taken literally. If it doesn't actually mean what it actually says, then it is metaphorical or simply what we today would call an idiom of the time.

Why do you not start a thread on the subject, Shilla?

I still have to earn the recognition before I start expanding on the subject.

Recognition for what exactly?

Recognition of my spirituality and scriptural leaning.

And you are expecting this recognition to come from who?

The spiritually alive.

You can correct me if I am wrong, but I recognise that you believe in God and the bible and have your own understanding of it.  And I am sure there are a few more here that will say the same. Does this make me "spiritually alive" in your eyes?

 You appear to be saying that you would only start a thread as long as everyone agrees with you and that we should somehow appreciate your own understanding and belief in scripture to be superior.

The spiritually alive.

Will you define what you mean by "spiritually alive"?

--> @Shila

Polytheist-Witch: Not sure what all that bullshit has to do with what I said. Just more of your goddamn cut and paste atheist Bible bullshit.

Polytheist-Witch: Nope

—> @Shila

Above is a sample of the confusion raging on the subject of morality.

how do you personally determine what is a "moral issue" and what is not a "moral issue" ?

@the witch

 If you're not actively hating 

You are the only single person on this whole forum that spends her demented time hating everyone.

I honestly believe you that are ill , Witch. Are there no wings of bat or toes of newt healing potions that you can take?

No one has gotten the word

-> @3RU7AL

I would like to address the same problem Coal brought up which is the government rewarding Black women financially for he destruction of the nuclear family (which BLM bizarrely describes as a good thing in their manifesto)

Every socio metric proves without any reasonable doubt that this breakdown is detrimental for society, and particularly destructive for the affected children.

Women initiate divorce 70% of the time, and Black women are among the highest offenders.

There needs to be both a cultural shift in America followed by policy changes and laws that discourage women initiated divorces  instead of blindly maintaining the status quo encouraging the destruction of the nuclear family. Similar policies need to also discourage having children out of wedlock.

Since Black children are unfairly and unequally harmed by the destruction of the nuclear family, Black children stand the most to benefit from this cultural change.

--> @3RU7AL

because you know what is moral and what is immoral because you know what is objectively moral

And how do you know this copyright protection subject is an issue of morality?

--> @K_Michael

SkepticalOne: How much in-vitro fertilization do you think was occurring in the first century?!

--> @Shila

He only has a few debates to his credit and not a regular poster. Try asking a member who is more active.

Tejre tics: I was on DDO from January 2015, was ranked #7 on the site (which had a much larger user base than DART does now), was on the DDO Hall of Fame, and had over 130 debates on there. Not being active on DART isn’t the same as not having debated for a while. 

Liberals legitimately have more sympathy for a hardened violent criminal than they do for an ordinary person who utters a racial slur once during a heated confrontation. Sick ideology!

--> @Shila

In the first instance yes.

In the second, we are prepared to collectively contradict ourselves.

Thou shalt not kill, unless it is a necessary requirement of the collective

@the Witch

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--> @Shila

 @Shila

Shila, wrote: All the more reason to take the Bible/Genesis literally. It applies to every aspect and deepest truths of human essence.

Should it be taken literally at all times? Or just some of the time?

But the Bible was written to be taken seriously and literally and not metaphorically.

So how does a dead person bury another dead person?

Some of the people of the world are dead to Christ. They do not see His beauty, nor do they hear His voice or desire to follow Him. Only His “sheep” will do those things (John 10:27). The people of the world are those whom the Savior describes here as the (spiritually) dead who should bury the (physically) dead. Let people, He says, who are not interested in My work, and who are “dead in sin” (Ephesians 2:1), take care of the dead. Your duty is now to follow Me.

I agree. I have argued here many times that "let the dead bury the dead" Luke 9:60  is simply metaphorical. IE. anyone outside of Jesus' circle were simply called "the dead" and those that joined his cause were the "living". So, this is not a literal "dead" and not to be taken literally, is it?   So, are you still saying that

" the Bible was written to be taken seriously and literally#76

Why do you not start a thread on the subject, Shilla?

I still have to earn the recognition before I start expanding on the subject.

Recognition for what exactly?

Recognition of my spirituality and scriptural leaning.

And you are expecting this recognition to come from who?

--> @Shila

Jesus did not think he would need a 20 year patent or copyright protections because he was already granted eternity.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

that doesn't tell us if he expects royalties

and is this a special case just for the jesus ?

or does everyone deserve copyright protections ?

Polytheist-Witch: There's another good reason to be a fat ass if you're fat, you're stupid and if you're stupid people know your theist and then they don't even have to ask

--> @Shila

Right and wrong is actually quite consistent across the board.

what does jesus teach us about copyright law ?

Jesus demanded his name be mentioned.

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

does this mean that the jesus was an advocate for 20 year patent and copyright protections ?

--> @Shila

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--> @Shila

Shila, wrote: All the more reason to take the Bible/Genesis literally. It applies to every aspect and deepest truths of human essence.

Should it be taken literally at all times? Or just some of the time?

But the Bible was written to be taken seriously and literally and not metaphorically.

So how does a dead person bury another dead person?

Why do you not start a thread on the subject, Shilla?

I still have to earn the recognition before I start expanding on the subject.

Recognition for what exactly?