Shila

I posted on 9/11/22

" I am sensing troll also based on previous replies to different subjects and people."

--> @Shila

That could be a more humane method, than randomly sending them without any choice of their own, or knowledge of where they're going.

Though that part of my post was more of my musing on 'legal residents of cities and states?

Don't get me wrong, you sound like a very good dude. It's just Singer never sat right with me, especially his ideas about infanticide and regarding people with disabilities. His motivations feel inhuman.

I also wonder if you as an Indian are not perhaps more susceptible to utilitarian ideas being from such a massive country and of such pronounced poverty. 

I don't know. I think there's a lot to be careful of in utilitarian thinking. Or a lot missing. 

Not sure how so much of this turned into a discussion of my debate style, but people are welcome to their opinions of it. I know I have my flaws and, especially on DDO, I had opponents who were very good at exploiting them. And I agree with Oromagi that my arguments are generally pretty boring. I don't tend to focus on presentation, more on substance, and that's always been a problem for me when it comes to live debates where many of my opponents are effective at both. Less of a problem online, but still a pronounced one.

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--> @Sidewalker

@#176

Do you believe in an objective good and evil then?

Good and evil in the Bible are objective truths.

If the Bible says good and evil come directly from the mind of God, then by definition, wouldn't they be subjective truths?

--> @Shila

Trump believed debt was good. He filed 6 bankruptcies and never had to pay back the loans.

Trump believed America being a superpower could also default on its debt and no country could force it to pay.

That is Why Americans love Trump. He is tough with other peoples money.

Maybe you should learn a little bit about finance before make such ignorant claims. What do you do for a living?

--> @Shila

Both read the Bible day and night, but you read black where I read white. - William Blake

--> @Shila

Polytheist-Witch: Nobody wants to read seven  paragraphs of stupid bullshit, especially if it's just God damn Bible quotes.

--> @SkepticalOne

Is original sin not a doctrine you subscribe to? If so, how do you figure your deity doesn't punish imperfection?

Imperfect is not synonymous to sin https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7916/post-links/345509

The Daemon/Rhaenyra thing was clever and fun. Daemon's got plenty art so far in sowing division. 

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No, we don't know whether Blacks are mostly racist (despite people thinking they know), but we do know they are the most racist

Blacks are not racist, blacks are victims of racism.

Blacks cannot discriminate against people of  colour, they are black themselves.

Blacks cannot discriminate against white skin people because white people discriminate against blacks. Even if that was true it wouldn’t be racism. It would be called reciprocity.

When a white police officer shoots a black man. It’s racism.

When Bill Cosby raped 60 white women. The whites did not call it racism. He was not shot of convicted by the courts. It was neither a crime or racism.

Again, Blacks are not racist, blacks are victims of racism.

You are anti-White.

You hate White people.

I am white.

That has nothing to do with the fact that you hate White people.

I hate slavery so I am anti-white. Slave owners were white, so I must hate white people.

Slavery was practiced all around the world by various other races, not just White people. You have unfairly targeted Whites. 

Also, White people were the first race to push for the end of slavery.

Your hatred of White people is not only disgusting, but unfounded on total ignorance, you absolute buffoon. 

Is this why they don't care when an administration prints 20 trillion dollars? Because they were taught that it would not affect the economy? It all makes sense now.

No President ever added more to the National Debt than Donald Trump.

8 trillion in 4 years. By far the most in the country’s history.

--> @Shila

--> @Tarik

Wrong, please don’t speak for me.

SkepticalOne: There is quite a difference between speaking for you and pointing out flaws in your reasoning. I was doing the latter. Do you plan to provide any defense?

So you were thinking for Tarik which is worse than speaking  for him.

You are absolutely terrible at understanding what you are reading, aren't you?

--> @Tejretics

Interesting stuff. Thanks for answering my questions!

If you're up to it, would you want to pm back and forth about what it is like in India? I'd love to learn about your home country and culture and such. I know that you don't speak for all Indians, obviously, but it would be cool to learn about India and how it compares to the United States.

I have been reading in this forum post and it just created more questions haha.

I am sorry you experienced people yelling at you to go back to India. 

I'm sure you've learned in college that America is NOT about that at all and some people just need to catch up to the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

One thing that saddens me about America is how so few people these days even know why we became a country and what the Declaration of Independence says about human rights. How our founding document says all people are created equal.

Yes, this country has not lived up to that for most of its existence, but I really wish we did. Because that was our ideals when we founded this country in 1776.

--> @Greyparrot

The entire 2020 election was built on Orangemanbad offense. 

If you ask any Democrat in 2022 how the Economy has impacted them, they will lie and say it is fine just so they don't get labeled as one of those "magas"

Trump wasn’t voted out because he offended people, he was voted out because he was a childish self serving incompetent buffoon who’s biggest accomplishment was to turn half the country into reality denying conspiracy theorist nut jobs.

Unlike the MAGA crowd, most democrats realize that most of what impacts the economy is beyond the president’s control, and even if we were to say that presidents have a great deal of control over the economy then all Trump did was keep Obama’s economy going.

--> @Tarik

Wrong, please don’t speak for me.

SkepticalOne: There is quite a difference between speaking for you and pointing out flaws in your reasoning. I was doing the latter. Do you plan to provide any defense?

--> @Shila

I am not arguing about what the bible states about spiritual death.  I am arguing the fact that you have stated that the bible should be taken literal and not metaphorically. HERE>>>#73 What's more, you have even recognised and admitted that Jesus spoke in parables. HERE>>#76 but then amazingly, and in the same sentence you immediately follow that up with this;

"But the Bible was written to be taken seriously and literally and not metaphorically". 

A parable is simply short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude, or a principle usually used only as an instructive example. 

--> @Shila

No, we don't know whether Blacks are mostly racist (despite people thinking they know), but we do know they are the most racist

Blacks are not racist, blacks are victims of racism.

Blacks cannot discriminate against people of  colour, they are black themselves.

Blacks cannot discriminate against white skin people because white people discriminate against blacks. Even if that was true it wouldn’t be racism. It would be called reciprocity.

When a white police officer shoots a black man. It’s racism.

When Bill Cosby raped 60 white women. The whites did not call it racism. He was not shot of convicted by the courts. It was neither a crime or racism.

Again, Blacks are not racist, blacks are victims of racism.

You are anti-White.

You hate White people.

--> @Shila

Copying someone else’s material is the same as stealing intellectual property and any form of stealing is a issue of morality.

The “subject” was mostly in reference to the timeline rather than the generally agreed principle that it’s wrong to steal.

--> @TWS1405

Floyd died of a LETHAL OVERDOSE of fentanyl

Q1: How much fentanyl was in his system?

Q2: How much fentanyl is enough to be considered lethal?

Q3: Do you have any medical expertise in this field, and if not, what is your source for this claim?

Q4: The toxicologist at the Chovin trial stated: “Overdose victims who die rarely have norfentanyl in their blood, since death often occurs before the body can break the drug down”. How does your position take this into account?

--> @Sidewalker

@#176

Do you believe in an objective good and evil then?

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Was that a 27 million dollar mistake, toxicology incompetence or police brutality against blacks?

It was fear of a terrorist organization willing to burn down city blocks in the context of prosecutors who won't charge them.

The prosecutors were black charging white police for killing George Floyd and winning a 27 million dollar settlement for George Floyd’s family.

The prosecutors were not parties to a civil case. It was the city attorneys who choose to settle.

--> @Shila

You misspelled does.

--> @Shila

Was that a 27 million dollar mistake, toxicology incompetence or police brutality against blacks?

It was fear of a terrorist organization willing to burn down city blocks in the context of prosecutors who won't charge them.

-> @Shila

There’s no such thing as an objective right

--> @Lemming

Bringing poor people to work the minimum wage jobs forever, 'won't work,

Eventually we will reach a limit on our population,

Nor should we encourage the 'existence of minimum wage jobs,

First, the Federal minimum wage should be $15/hr. That’s 30,000 a year. Nobody should work 40 hours a week and live in poverty.

Second, I guess it’s a good thing we didn’t reach the “population limit” before your family came to America. Kind of selfish of you isn’t it?

Third, in America, one generation works to make the next generation better, when starting at the bottom of the income and job ladder. Their kids can go to school/college and be anything their talent and work ethic will allow. That’s the American Dream.

DART needs better advertising. Although its much cleaner than DDO (at least in its latter years) it still doesn't have many active members. Can we not put some goddamn YouTube ads up or something?

--> @Shila

If a nation 'accepts refugees, makes a resolution to accept and welcome them to safety, sanctuary,

Then I'd agree they ought have decent living conditions, decent attention, respect, welcome.

--> @Shila

You don't need a degree to be a race grifter.

-> @thett3

He's a troll, for sure. Without question or doubt

--> @Shila

Lol, if you paid 100k for gender studies, that's on you bro.

--> @Shila

That could be a more humane method, than randomly sending them without any choice of their own, or knowledge of where they're going.

Though that part of my post was more of my musing on 'legal residents of cities and states

--> @Shila

the ONLY "judge" of a debate (that matters) is your opponent

Is that how Biden saw Trump during the presidential debates? Biden dismissed Trump several times during the debate as irrelevant and out of touch.

and do you think that was an effective tactic ?

Biden won both the debates and the elections. Most would agree that was an effective tactic.

i doubt trump found it personally persuasive though

I admit no such thing.

ALL Lives Matter.

Blacks rioting, burning black homes and businesses, and killing other blacks "helps black cause"?

A violent black criminal being taken off the street saves lives. Just like Ma'Khia Bryant being shot and killed by police. That officer saved a black life, and likely more in doing so

-> @Shila

I sure did. Contract rates don't care about the name on a degree. It's a simple checkbox on the wage calculation. But they don't tell you that in the brochures, so your take is understandable.

There's value in moving between locations easy,

But what 'value is their in the locations identity or claims?

Just rambling.

--> @Shila

>@TWS1405

When a white police officer shoots a black man, 9 out of 10 times he deserved it due to his own piss poor choices/actions.

The BIll Cosby anecdote is poorly utilized and, in the end, irrelevant.

Again, blacks ARE racist, and they victimize their own, whites, Asians and Hispanics.

So why are blacks compensated in the millions. Has it dawned on you that Black Lives Matter?

It's cheaper to settle than go through a full-blown trial. I've told you this before. It is precisely why many people, companies, and agencies "settle" vs trial. 

Another key factor is the underlining issue and the outcome if everyone went to trial and the black families lost = riots. That's why those families get a settlement. It's cheaper, and it avoids further violent rioting and loss of life.

--> @Shila

27M mistake. Ben Crump is a whaaambulance chaser. 

Floyd killed himself. Period. The entire trial from beginning (indictment) to end was a farce. A political witch hunt to take advantage of dividing the country even further while demonizing cops and giving blacks carte blanche to riot, pillage, burn, and yes, even kill. 

Tejretics: I don’t have experiences of systemic/structural racism in the US. I’ve had the occasional person say something like “Go back to your country!” on the street (which I guess is not really racism as much as xenophobia?), but as far as I can tell, no real racism either. I feel like South Asians are relatively well-off in the US, and don’t face the degree of racism that people from other racial backgrounds have to go through. 

--> @Shila

A collective can be ten or ten million.

Floyd died of a LETHAL OVERDOSE of fentanyl because he didn't want to get caught with it, yet again. 

The audio of the body cam of the first officer's approaching his vehicle is crystal clear, he was already beginning to suffer respiratory distress. 

During his arrest, resisting, the adrenaline was slowing the process but once he was on the ground calming down, adrenaline ceasing, the LETHAL overdose took its toll on his already well documented poor health and he died because of that LETHAL overdose and poor health, not because of a knee. 

Toxicology reports affirm the LETHAL dose mixed with meth. He killed himself. 

When a white police officer shoots a black man, 9 out of 10 times he deserved it due to his own piss poor choices/actions.

The BIll Cosby anecdote is poorly utilized and, in the end, irrelevant.

Again, blacks ARE racist, and they victimize their own, whites, Asians and Hispanics.

--> @SupaDudz

The opposite speaks for itself, if a black man has views that are not of the Liberal agenda, the left excommunicates them WORSE than anyone on the MAGA side

We definitely are puzzled by black conservatives or worse, Trump supporters. Why would a black man support a party that says George Floyd or Travon Martin deserved to die? Why would a black man support a party that doesn’t even believe systemic racism exists in this country. A party that does everything they can to prevent blacks from voting. A party that believes Barrack Obama isn’t a US citizen. A party that deliberately under funds black neighborhoods drinking water systems. A Party that’s thinks crack cocaine is worse than powder cocaine because blacks use it.

-> @Shila

If one’s belief as to whether an action is moral is subjective, then it cannot by definition “turn out to be moral”.

For it to turn out to be moral implies that there is an objective right or wrong answer.

--> @Lair77

I don't mean on a professional level.  I mean on a human level.  People's quality of life in general. 

But this presumes that the most important social interactions occur in work environments. Case in point: most of my most significant relationships are those with whom I've never worked. There are other venues in which people can meet and interact.

I'm not making any value judgment on that.  I just know that the Americans/Europeans that are cheering for remote work because it makes their financial life better will later see it differently once it makes their financial life worse.

How would it make their lives "financial worse"? Is a decrease in nominal wages necessarily a financial disaster? 

--> @badger

There are plenty of affordable colleges in America, but the propaganda is high on selling big names on the diploma.

Not everyone needs a Ferrari to get from point A to point B.

My grad school was hella-cheap. Paid it off in 3 years.

--> @Shila

the ONLY "judge" of a debate (that matters) is your opponent

Is that how Biden saw Trump during the presidential debates? Biden dismissed Trump several times during the debate as irrelevant and out of touch.

and do you think that was an effective tactic ?